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Old 10-03-2011, 09:56 PM
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I believe it would be an "Alternator". Spin the Newman Magnet up, or better yet replace it with a powerfull diametric Neo. and some good bearings. You have to design a motor for it, but if the rotor magnet has two poles, the current will be full sine wave a.c. It can demonstrate the effect through a broad range of r.p.m.
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I believe it would be an "Alternator". Spin the Newman Magnet up, or better yet replace it with a powerfull diametric Neo. and some good bearings. You have to design a motor for it, but if the rotor magnet has two poles, the current will be full sine wave a.c. It can demonstrate the effect through a broad range of r.p.m.
I hope so, you made me a next project.
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Old 10-04-2011, 08:15 AM
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Overunityguide,

A question in response to your demonstration on the
delayed Lenz transformer... You've got a couple of watts
going into the LED lightbulbs, while the system current
drops by as much when the secondary coil is put on load
at the 950Hz setting.

How much is available?? Would ten times as many lightbulbs
drop the input by the same amount as one or an order of magnitude
greater reducing the idle power to Zero?
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Old 10-04-2011, 09:42 PM
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Overunityguide,

A question in response to your demonstration on the
delayed Lenz transformer... You've got a couple of watts
going into the LED lightbulbs, while the system current
drops by as much when the secondary coil is put on load
at the 950Hz setting.

How much is available?? Would ten times as many lightbulbs
drop the input by the same amount as one or an order of magnitude
greater reducing the idle power to Zero?
@geotron, no it won't work that way. I have used two light bulbs, but they burned less brighter in a pair. So I guess that it was drawing the same amount of power in that case...

But in my opinion the most interesting aspect in this setup, is that we can run the load purely reactive.

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Old 10-05-2011, 01:17 AM
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@geotron, no it won't work that way. I have used two light bulbs, but they burned less brighter in a pair. So I guess that it was drawing the same amount of power in that case...

But in my opinion the most interesting aspect in this setup, is that we can run the load purely reactive.

With Kind Regards, Overunityguide
One thing I'm still speculating about drawing reactive power and the power given by delay Lenz and all. It could be cold current. Something end up like this.

StifflerDr's Channel - YouTube

Still thinking about the issue but if we can check the heating when drawing reactive power to normal DC loading for the same power.
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Old 10-05-2011, 08:26 AM
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Overunityguide,

It seems the amount of power being collected by the load running at 950Hz is
dependant on the physical properties of the secondary transformer coil.

Indeed quite interesting... The other transformer you've demonstrated with
the laminate core is much more versatile with the removable parts. Could a
second hi-impedance coil be positioned on the other side of the primary
with a resultant gain in output power? Then if true would there be a limit
to the number of output coils?

Would having a bifilar primary give the energy being used to power the load
a recovery pathway by channeling it into a capacitor bank connected to the
second primary coil? If the source is a 12V battery, when this recovery bank
reaches a level of voltage suitable for charging, couldn't it somehow be
immediately disconnected from the coil while also shorting across the battery
with a resultant gain in efficiency?
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My cores get hot, this isn't ZPE or anything like it
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What wire diameters are your primary and secondary in the transformer videos ?
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Old 10-05-2011, 11:59 AM
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My cores get hot, this isn't ZPE or anything like it
I do expect things to get hot, but if things are out of phase, it shouldn't be as much. I think our experiments are about 10-80 degrees out of phase. I see OUG and gotoluc are on similar path, but one is using high freq and one is using low freq tuning. I think both is trying to tune to draw reactive power. I also speculate the reason power go down in OUG demo is when load is apply, a counter flux minimize the core alignment reducing hysteresis losses. When the magnetic field collapse, Lenz continue to operate because of winding inductance. In a way, it's not Lenz is being delay, but rather Lenz can't reverse direction quick enough due to inductance.
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Old 10-05-2011, 12:18 PM
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Yes, those transformer experiments are looking interesting.

My new wire should arrive tomorrow or the day after so that i can confirm whether or not a higher impedance coil can support a wider range of loads and possibly bring the rotor speed up to a higher one than what is achieved with an open coil with core.

With a coil like that, then each additional load that is added further increases rotational speed ...
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Old 10-05-2011, 12:28 PM
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Yes, those transformer experiments are looking interesting.

My new wire should arrive tomorrow or the day after so that i can confirm whether or not a higher impedance coil can support a wider range of loads and possibly bring the rotor speed up to a higher one than what is achieved with an open coil with core.

With a coil like that, then each additional load that is added further increases rotational speed ...
I think you should check with Rod's experiment on Mu metal. The best he could get is the same as no core. I think Mu metal has little to no hysteresis losses, but not sure. The way I'm thinking right now is that you will neutralize Lenz to a point where the core becomes plastic. lol But you can try and confirm his finding or discover new one. Good work.
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Yes, those transformer experiments are looking interesting.

My new wire should arrive tomorrow or the day after so that i can confirm whether or not a higher impedance coil can support a wider range of loads and possibly bring the rotor speed up to a higher one than what is achieved with an open coil with core.

With a coil like that, then each additional load that is added further increases rotational speed ...
In the meantime Qvision maybe you'd like to try attaching a couple of thin steel washers insulated from each other, in front of your pickup stator coil.
It takes a finite time for the domains to flip in each washer before saturation. At which point the washers disappear & normal induction occurs.
Meaning the core's induced EMF is later.
Hence when load current is drawn from stator coil rotor should tend to accelerate away and Lenz helps reset the washers toward previous polarity.

Just a thought, Gerry
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@ QU, 'same as no core' is good, i will try Mu metal at some point, first i want to get a coil with good performance properties, and i have a pound of magnetite to try as core material also.

@ smoky, thanks for that i will try it, i have a plumbing shop near me.

I noticed something i didn't expect, backing/biasing/helper magnets help with this setup, even though it's N/S !

It doesn't seem to matter which way round they are, i get a few Hz extra speed and 1 or 2 mA less current draw.

*** EDIT ADD ***

I just tried a hollow core, the masonry shield rather than the bolt i've been using, and it performs very badly, no acceleration on load.
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Old 10-05-2011, 04:33 PM
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One thing I'm still speculating about drawing reactive power and the power given by delay Lenz and all. It could be cold current. Something end up like this.

StifflerDr's Channel - YouTube

Still thinking about the issue but if we can check the heating when drawing reactive power to normal DC loading for the same power.
Should be cooling down! Digital IR thermometers with correct accuracy are around $35.
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Seeing as i have no resin, i decided to try a magnetite core by just filling up the barrel of my coil-former with the powder and compressing it as much as possible (yes i was bored !).

I taped over the ends, spun up the tube magnet, placed the coil in it's usual position and the magnet spun faster and the current draw went down with no short-circuit or load !

This was interesting so i hopefully shorted the coil but it acted like a normal generator, it was the same with a load.

How strange that initial effect, though, when the coil was open ?
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I think you should check with Rod's experiment on Mu metal. The best he could get is the same as no core. I think Mu metal has little to no hysteresis losses, but not sure. The way I'm thinking right now is that you will neutralize Lenz to a point where the core becomes plastic. lol But you can try and confirm his finding or discover new one. Good work.
The MU metal has always yielded the best results.
I have one Mu metal core that I interchange with other coils.
it always demonstrates the less drag.
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Seeing as i have no resin, i decided to try a magnetite core by just filling up the barrel of my coil-former with the powder and compressing it as much as possible (yes i was bored !).

I taped over the ends, spun up the tube magnet, placed the coil in it's usual position and the magnet spun faster and the current draw went down with no short-circuit or load !

This was interesting so i hopefully shorted the coil but it acted like a normal generator, it was the same with a load.

How strange that initial effect, though, when the coil was open ?
If this is repeatable, it is interesting effect.
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Old 10-06-2011, 04:06 PM
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Lenz Delay Confirmation Video.

Good scope shots! We're on the quantum leap threshold.



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Old 10-08-2011, 09:13 PM
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What wire diameters are your primary and secondary in the transformer videos ?
Hello qvision,

I have order both coils on:
RS Components | Electronic and Electrical Components

And the exact part/order numbers are:
Primary Coil: 357-766 (21 awg 120m)
Secondary: 357-716 (30 awg 1100m)

Which you can find pretty easy when you type in those order/part numbers into their searing field on their website...

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Thank you, i have ordered the wire
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Overunityguide, can i ask you what the C.O.P. of you're MOT is ?

Looks like it uses 1 watt and output is .327 of a watt or 32.7 % efficient.

Could you confirm that ?

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Old 10-10-2011, 01:54 AM
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Mot Cop.

Here's a quote from OUG, it may help. He figures it's 18 times overunity!

"Hello Guys,

As I had promised, today I should supply you with my input / output cop measurements regarding my MOT 950 Hz Experiment... (I will advice you, hold on to your seat...)

Input power going to the primary coil:
Calculated by I2*R (R primary coil) = 0.1A*0.1A*1.8Ohms = 0.018Watts
(This can be calculated this way, because the primary coil is running purely reactive at 950Hz)

Output power secondary coil going to the LED Light Bulb:
First I have to make a correction, in one of my previous posts, I have said that this value was about: 0.94Watts But Unfortunately after doing exact measurements with my scope on the secondary's connected load I had to conclude that it was actually running on: 36V at 0.0091A going to the LED Light Bulb, which gives us: 36V*0.0091A=0.327Watts going to the LED Light Bulb. (with the U and I running in phase)

At the end this will give us a (theoretical) cop of: 0.327/0.018 = 18

But I have to say, for now it only works on small loads... I also have tried connecting a 40Watts/240V rated incandescent light as a load with running the primary on higher (more dangerous voltage levels), and there no Lenz Delay was happening at higher power values... But for now it is a beginning of something new and unexplored...

And further I have to mention, that of course in the MOT experiment my frequency drive controller is consuming a whopping 17.5 Watts only to run Idle. So when you compare this to the 0.327Watts at the output, I must agree that in this way there is no overunity yet... But of course my mostly inefficient frequency drive controller can be replaced with much better and efficient (at lower power ratings) Mosfet H bridge controllers. And further in the video you saw that when comparing the loaded state (18.5 Watts) compared to the primary coil disconnected state (17.5 Watts) Will give you a 1 Watt difference in required input power, which is of course also bigger than the 0.327 Watts output. But this has to do with the primary running purely reactive, for which there is in my MOT experiment no power factor correcting capacitor connected to my primary coil, which can be done in higher efficient replications of my MOT experiment also.

So for now to conclude in short, my MOT experiment is showing that some interesting effects can take place in MOT like transformers running at a higher frequency. But for now I do think that a lot of experimenting (read: try to run on higher power values) needs to be done.

My Related MOT Experiment can be found on:
MOT Microwave Oven Transformer Delayed Lenz Experiment - YouTube

And at gotoluc I would like to say: Good Work Dude...

With Kind Regards, Overunityguide"
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Spinner.

This guy says he's getting 200 volts off a Rodin coil tertiary, and reports drop in input with rotor acceleration. He maintains this motor generates enough power to run itself and generate output.


Rodin Performance-desktop.m4v - YouTube
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This guy says he's getting 200 volts off a Rodin coil tertiary, and reports drop in input with rotor acceleration.


Rodin Performance-desktop.m4v - YouTube

That looks great! Sychronistically this is one of my ideas! I was thinking about using a Rodin coil for my Newman motor instead of a normal coil. A new experiment is born. The Newman coil generates so much voltage that it is almost impossible to start it running with low voltage.
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FreeEnergy26.

The spinner apparently accelerates with the addition of load off an extra coil winding in FreeEnergy26's video. The output winding generates 200 volts, while the input drops to a .8 of a milliwatt. It's possible the Thane Heinz effect is this simple to replicate and benifit from! Maybe the third output wrap is powering the magnet spinner while generating electricity? This is the window winding or Newman coil surround wrap concept. FreeEnergy26's Rodin coil could be built without a form just by first forming a few loops with the three wires, then spiraling around them untill finished. He maintains his rig generates enough power to run itself and generate output. A familiar claim! One we need to scrutinize with closer attention in this case. I have been experimenting and reporting on this effect. He has to be useing the other two coils either as trigger and power, or wired in series for high voltage. A transistor alone or Hall effect and transistor battery combination should be enough to accelerate the spinner over the "Delay Threshold". The joined ends of the series wraped coils attach to the emitter of the "Magnet Kicker Circuit" transistor where the tap is in the schematic. This is the very simple "Pulse Toy" transistor and battery circuit.

It looks as though the third output wrap may turn into both an auxilliary motor power coil and a high voltage alternator as well at high rpm's; If so, the World will find this simple self running motor alternator pretty hard to beat. A photo of my prototype below: Notice my axle hub wheels are to the inside. Vortex math appears to be a false door to explanation, compared to "Lenz Delay" theory.
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Here's a quote from OUG, it may help. He figures it's 18 times overunity!

"Hello Guys,

As I had promised, today I should supply you with my input / output cop measurements regarding my MOT 950 Hz Experiment... (I will advice you, hold on to your seat...)

Input power going to the primary coil:
Calculated by I2*R (R primary coil) = 0.1A*0.1A*1.8Ohms = 0.018Watts
(This can be calculated this way, because the primary coil is running purely reactive at 950Hz)

Output power secondary coil going to the LED Light Bulb:
First I have to make a correction, in one of my previous posts, I have said that this value was about: 0.94Watts But Unfortunately after doing exact measurements with my scope on the secondary's connected load I had to conclude that it was actually running on: 36V at 0.0091A going to the LED Light Bulb, which gives us: 36V*0.0091A=0.327Watts going to the LED Light Bulb. (with the U and I running in phase)

At the end this will give us a (theoretical) cop of: 0.327/0.018 = 18

But I have to say, for now it only works on small loads... I also have tried connecting a 40Watts/240V rated incandescent light as a load with running the primary on higher (more dangerous voltage levels), and there no Lenz Delay was happening at higher power values... But for now it is a beginning of something new and unexplored...

And further I have to mention, that of course in the MOT experiment my frequency drive controller is consuming a whopping 17.5 Watts only to run Idle. So when you compare this to the 0.327Watts at the output, I must agree that in this way there is no overunity yet... But of course my mostly inefficient frequency drive controller can be replaced with much better and efficient (at lower power ratings) Mosfet H bridge controllers. And further in the video you saw that when comparing the loaded state (18.5 Watts) compared to the primary coil disconnected state (17.5 Watts) Will give you a 1 Watt difference in required input power, which is of course also bigger than the 0.327 Watts output. But this has to do with the primary running purely reactive, for which there is in my MOT experiment no power factor correcting capacitor connected to my primary coil, which can be done in higher efficient replications of my MOT experiment also.

So for now to conclude in short, my MOT experiment is showing that some interesting effects can take place in MOT like transformers running at a higher frequency. But for now I do think that a lot of experimenting (read: try to run on higher power values) needs to be done.

My Related MOT Experiment can be found on:
MOT Microwave Oven Transformer Delayed Lenz Experiment - YouTube

And at gotoluc I would like to say: Good Work Dude...

With Kind Regards, Overunityguide"
OK since my question to Overunityguide went unanswered by him and the
above quote was posted, I thought I would give my take on it by showing
what is closer to the total efficiency. Really the power consumed to make
available the AC wall power should be considered as well but that would be
impossible so he gets the AC available for free.

Since the Frequency drive controller is pretty much controlling the MOT and
without the Frequency drive controller OUG's experiment would not have possible
to be done the same way, just plugging it into the wall would not work to
produce the effect, the frequency drive controller or something else would be
needed to alter the AC power from the grid.

Considering that I think at least all the power consumed after the wall socket
should be factored into the efficiency calculation.

I think these figure's are closer to the real efficiency and more applicable to
show how the effect reduces efficiency from really bad to even worse.

It uses at 200 Hz, 17.5 watts to power the load which uses 0.327 watts
which is 1.86 % efficient.

And at 950 Hz it uses 18.5 watts to power the 0.327 watt load
which is 1.76 % efficient.

So at 950 Hz his entire setup is less efficient to power a tiny load and it is
less efficient than than anything I have ever before witnessed.

He was actually able to make a 1.86 % efficient setup, even less efficient by
a whole 0.1 %.

Obviously at 200 Hz the MOT is more efficient as it should be because it was
designed for 60 Hz.

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The input cost rises per Hertz in the MOT, but drops with the spinner due to BEMF. The input coil grows too highly charged from the spinner rotor working backwards as an alternator, to allow the inclusion of all but a very small amount of input. The MOT is just a linear drain on the drive side.

High speed pulse coil spinners running close to COP=1, don't need much "Lenz Delay Propulsion" boost to achieve the Overunity "Holy Grail". Looks like "FreeEnergy26" has a couple of LED'S running along with their spinner practically free of charge! The vortex of the spinning magnetic field amplifys the propulsion from the booster coil.
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its not about power consumption its about IDEA

and idea is to make cos(phi) as close to 90 degrease as posible then your poiwer meter will read almost zero power P=U*I*cos(phi)


what he is doing is increasing the secondary coil inductive reactance by increasing frequency of primery coil to make cos(phi) close to 90

but to have some extra work done and no power consumed you have to put your load and inductor in series so your load and inductor will have close to 90 degres this way meter will read almost zero power just reactive power for wich you dont pay!

to calculate this use this site and insert your figures and adjust to have as close to 90 phase
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Spinformer.

@wojrobel,

It would make more sense to generate the high frequency a.c. signal from a toroid spinner 3rd, rather than a costly signal generator and then to pulse a transformer primary with that signal. That way we can catch the advantage from both ends! Lenz propulsion and reactive power!
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its not about power consumption its about IDEA

and idea is to make cos(phi) as close to 90 degrease as posible then your poiwer meter will read almost zero power P=U*I*cos(phi)


what he is doing is increasing the secondary coil inductive reactance by increasing frequency of primery coil to make cos(phi) close to 90

but to have some extra work done and no power consumed you have to put your load and inductor in series so your load and inductor will have close to 90 degres this way meter will read almost zero power just reactive power for wich you dont pay!

to calculate this use this site and insert your figures and adjust to have as close to 90 phase
Resistor-Inductor AC Behavior
Idea's are fine and good but I was just responding to the theoretical C.O.P. 18,
When people write things like that, other people think there is 18 times the output to input.

When the whole system is considered the the efficiency is very poor and the
efficiency was made worse by "the delayed Lens effect". Was it not ?

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but to have some extra work done and no power consumed you have
to put your load and inductor in series so your load and inductor will have
close to 90 degres this way meter will read almost zero power just reactive
power for wich you dont pay!
I think most people can see it is a pointless exercise to increase power input
by 1.5 watts so that when a .327 watt load is connected the input drops by
.327 watts, just as an example.

Are you saying this whole setup is using less power at 950 hz than at 200 Hz ?

Exactly the same thing can be said about the motor generator setup lots of
power is wasted to see the small decrease in input power, and yet they are
saying they are making free energy ? They are making a complete setup less
efficient and claiming that it is more efficient.

The motor generator setup used an extra 16 watts or so to show a small
decrease maybe 2 or 3 watts.

This is really reducing the input and already running a load.
Reduced input current under added load effects 33 - YouTube

More efficient and the load is more.

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