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Hi All,

One of my most admirable scientists of today who does not worry about rubbing up a few people in the wrong way, is V.I.Korobejnikov.

His theories which have been supported both by events and in practice are one of the futures in our strive for a clean energy. His 3D electromagnetic field is one of the systems that I use and has been put into practice.

I am going to share this with you so that just maybe a new insight into electromagnetic waves will inspire some of you to view what has been seen as anomilies in certain threads in this and other forums, and start designing to create what many think is impossible.

First I want to show you a very disturbing fact:-

On the anomalous secular increase of the eccentricity of the orbit of the Moon
Lorenzo Iorio
(Submitted on 1 Feb 2011 (v1), last revised 21 Feb 2011 (this version, v3))
A recent analysis of a Lunar Laser Ranging (LLR) data record spanning 38.7 yr revealed an anomalous increase of the eccentricity of the lunar orbit amounting to de/dt_meas = (9 +/- 3) 10^-12 yr^-1. The present-day models of the dissipative phenomena occurring in the interiors of both the Earth and the Moon are not able to explain it. We examine several dynamical effects, not modeled in the data analysis, in the framework of long-range modified models of gravity and of the standard Newtonian/Einsteinian paradigm. It turns out that none of them can accommodate de/dt_meas. Many of them do not even induce long-term changes in e; other models do, instead, yield such an effect, but the resulting magnitudes are in disagreement with de/dt_meas. In particular, the general relativistic gravitomagnetic acceleration of the Moon due to the Earth's angular momentum has the right order of magnitude, but the resulting Lense-Thirring secular effect for the eccentricity vanishes. A potentially viable Newtonian candidate would be a trans-Plutonian massive object (Planet X/Nemesis/Tyche) since it, actually, would affect e with a non-vanishing long-term variation. On the other hand, the values for the physical and orbital parameters of such a hypothetical body required to obtain the right order of magnitude for de/dt are completely unrealistic. Moreover, they are in neat disagreement with both the most recent theoretical scenarios envisaging the existence of a distant, planetary-sized body and with the model-independent constraints on them dynamically inferred from planetary motions. Thus, the issue of finding a satisfactorily explanation for the anomalous behavior of the Moon's eccentricity remains open.

This goes along with a paper by V.I.Korobejnikov which changes totally the concept of gravity, which can be found on the web.

As far as the above and the Moon, I would prefer someone take this on and make a new thread so as I can keep this for 3D electromagnetic fields and how they are created and how they can be used to create a new form of energy generation.

Over the last couple of years I have given hints to this and with very little interest it seems, this even enters the work of Dr. Stiffler, though he might disagree and so we will probably agree to disagree and that is fine with me.

I stated that the theories of V.I.Korobejnikov have been put into practice, well yes in a system of RF, oh yes RF has come up again, electromagnetic waves. A company EH Antenna systems have been working along with Korobejnikov to make an antenna to use a 3D electromagnetic wave which has some very unusual effects. Please read the paper here:-

http://www.eh-antenna.com/EH_HZ.pdf

In fact please read all of their site as it will give you an insite to all of this better than I can and it will save me a lot of typing

From time to time I will post here more on this subject as my time becomes available, which is a bit thin on the ground at the moment with all of my projects taking priority.

Enjoy and learn, things or lights will start lighting, pun intended


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I just had a quick look ...I read about it before here

Robert T. HART

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Robert hart -- EH Antenna

will definitely look into it

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EH antenna.

That drawing reminds me of Bearden's MEG.
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I see a similarity to Ezekiels wheel. It was just a communication device.
The coils would be at the intersects.




There is a radiant like description of it. It was turned off at ground level.
You dont see many people working on a 2 toroidal coil configuration like this.


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Check antigraviticsystems1 post:

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As you see from my motto " "You cannot invent, you can only discover" -

from this and the fact (a personal belief) that the Universe is fractal, this revolutionary discovery exist in nature at different scale....
...and you can tap into it.....this deserves some serious pondering...

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Mike,

This appears to explain aspects of what I've been working on. I've been using pulsed coils to produce magnetic fields for healing. I initially assumed the strongest effects would come from the ends of the coil. Based on reading the link you provided, I surmised that it might actually be a magnetic field with infinite wavelength as described on the website, so the actual beneficial field is radiating off the sides of the coil. After some simple experiments, that seems to be the case. I'm really excited about designing further experiments to test out these concepts.

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Have you guys come across

Maurice HATELY // Fathi KABBARY

Crossed Field Antenna

Maurice Hately, Fathi Kabbary, X-Field Antenna,US Patent 5,155,495



looks like it is using the same principle

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I just had a quick look ...I read about it before here

Robert T. HART

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Robert hart -- EH Antenna

will definitely look into it

If Mike have open and posted that pdf is because want help peoples to understand. But the main problem is that peoplecan't see inside Mike mind and for that reason is very difficult understand.. Simply Mike using that method solve some problems that surely have with old RF reactor.
Using that method you can process your water molecules in the middle of EM field and obtain in output your gas , that semplify previously method but my question is you obtain an high efficiency >90% during the reaction?
Im not sure of that because during my test the variable of time inside process is very important.
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Let us concentrate our attention on the simplest question: That will be, does an electric charge (electron) rotate? Such rotary dynamics of an electric charge (electron) will somehow be reflected in an electromagnetic field of this charge in space.
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If Mike have open and posted that pdf is because want help peoples to understand. But the main problem is that peoplecan't see inside Mike mind and for that reason is very difficult understand.. Simply Mike using that method solve some problems that surely have with old RF reactor.
Using that method you can process your water molecules in the middle of EM field and obtain in output your gas , that semplify previously method but my question is you obtain an high efficiency >90% during the reaction?
Im not sure of that because during my test the variable of time inside process is very important.
you reminded me of

Felix Ehrenhaft: Magnetic Current --- 9 articles

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Can a magnet take water to pieces? No, say physics textbooks. Yes, says Prof. Felix Ehrenhaft, former director of the Physical Institute at the University of Vienna, who now carries on his research in New York. If he should turn out to be right, his findings in the realm of magnetism promise practical applications as far-reaching as the dynamos, motors, transformers, telephones, and radio that have stemmed from Faraday’s research in electricity.
pay attention to his set up and compare to the set up of the EH Antenna




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For his "impossible" experiment, Dr Ehrenhaft employs the simplest of apparatus. Two shiny rods of pure Swedish iron, sealed in holes through opposite sides of a U-shaped tube, resemble a setup familiar to high-school students for breaking up water into hydrogen and oxygen gases by passing electricity through it. And that is exactly what would happen if Dr Ehrenhaft attached electric wires from a battery to the rods. But, he does no such thing.
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i'm currently reading Maxwell in 3d and it comforts my views on the fractal Universe, and some of the posts i made in various threads

http://www.eh-antenna.com/EH_maxwell.pdf

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A charged particle (mass - charge) is surrounded with an electromagnetic field making it complete. This applies to any body having mass and an electric charge (mass - charge). Generally, when there are charges moving in time or moving on a contour with a current in space surrounding them, there is a variable electromagnetic field. If these processes are periodic, the variable electromagnetic field will be a wave. [1] [2] [3]. All this applies to the full concerns and to such enormous concentrated mass, possessing electric charges (mass - charge), with the periodic law of movement, as planets, stars, galaxies. Much to our regret, lengths of electromagnetic waves (frequency) of such heavenly bodies are not reflected yet on a scale in directories and textbooks. Now practical frequencies are lower than 1 Hertz by 5-6 orders of magnitude and more (105106the hertz and is lower). These have been considered as constant electric current or in the general category of "static", but that basically is not true.
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...in the universe there is no motionless point, and uniform, rectilinear movement in the pure state does not exist.

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If Mike have open and posted that pdf is because want help peoples to understand. But the main problem is that peoplecan't see inside Mike mind and for that reason is very difficult understand.. Simply Mike using that method solve some problems that surely have with old RF reactor.
Using that method you can process your water molecules in the middle of EM field and obtain in output your gas , that semplify previously method but my question is you obtain an high efficiency >90% during the reaction?
Im not sure of that because during my test the variable of time inside process is very important.
Hi Alex, this does not relate directly to my ORIGINAL RF splitting of the water molecule, but it is related to the e-beam reactor in so much that the electric field and the magnetic field are created along with a third field "one of current" which does not come from the input power, it is created in free space between the atoms within that free space, hundreds of times more powerful than you could ever put into the input of your system.

Where does that power come from? well it comes from the stressed atoms without breaking them "if it did that would be a nuclear reaction and this is not ".

Yes I do keep things close to my chest and I am still alive I am the only one that knows how to make this e-beam reactor for molecular manipulation, as far as I know at the moment

The RF breaking of the water molecule was just the start of a long road to where I am today with the e-beam reactor, and I can see more work needed even though the system works as it is. If this is to go out into the world to be used, it will be in the best possible form so as not to be thrown to the wolves and devoured and to never be seen again.

This thread is for showing how this third field can be used in other ways in the quest for energy generation, it has been used, just that nobody really knows what it is or how it is made or how it can be used. Nothing to do with my RF OR E-BEAM REACTOR, well not here anyway.

This thread is to show the way, like a shining light, how and why you can get a magnetic pulse motor to self run, as an example lets keep it that way

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pay attention to his set up and compare to the set up of the EH Antenna

That is a good example where current is created, "the 3D", in the molecular structure of water, and gess what, NO INPUT

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Thank you Mike for confirming my suspicions ..so the good news is we can explain Felix Ehrenhaft's experiment and now we have two applications to study and hopefully develop newer ones


I'll have to review all the experiments i talked about in my various threads and figure out if 3D electromagnetic field plays a major role in it (which i have the feeling that it is the missing piece of the puzzle)


note: Tesla's experiment may have to be relooked at with the 3D electromagnetic field in mind


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Thank you Mike for confirming my suspicions ..so the good news is we can explain Felix Ehrenhaft's experiment and now we have two applications to study and hopefully develop newer ones


I'll have to review all the experiments i talked about in my various threads and figure out if 3D electromagnetic field plays a major role in it (which i have the feeling that it is the missing piece of the puzzle)


note: Tesla's experiment may have to be relooked at with the 3D electromagnetic field in mind


Yes, I have a feeling that he knew all about this and never documented it or it was destroyed.

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Mike,

This appears to explain aspects of what I've been working on. I've been using pulsed coils to produce magnetic fields for healing. I initially assumed the strongest effects would come from the ends of the coil. Based on reading the link you provided, I surmised that it might actually be a magnetic field with infinite wavelength as described on the website, so the actual beneficial field is radiating off the sides of the coil. After some simple experiments, that seems to be the case. I'm really excited about designing further experiments to test out these concepts.

Thanks!!!!
i was just wondering about 3D electromagnetic field and coils.... I have three particular experiment i talked about and one of them uses Tesla coil ; Mike, I think you may be right about Tesla knowing about it...

the experiments i refer to are:

Francis E. WILKINSON: High-Frequency Transformations ( http://www.energeticforum.com/136338-post22.html )

Leon SPRINK:Space Activator (http://www.energeticforum.com/135946-post17.html )

and Tszyan KAN'CHZHEN: Microwave Transfer of Biological Information

http://www.energeticforum.com/136258-post21.html

for now...
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Years ago, I saw a web page explaining a CD conditioning technology by Bedini. He used a coil wrapped around a magnet and there was a field that came off perpendicular that was used to treat the CD. Years later, I've searched for that web page and have come up empty handed. However, I think it's the same field described here that was being used by Bedini years ago. If you pulse a coil, I would guess you'd get the same type field radiating off the sides as the magnetic field swirls in opposite directions through each loop of coil. Basically if you look at a solenoid, the turn above and the turn below an individual turn would act the same as the cylinders and coils demonstrated in the PDF you posted.

This may also fit with the idea that Tesla was moving towards pulsed DC, rather than AC, since pulsed DC would keep spinning the electrons in the same direction.
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Hi Alex, this does not relate directly to my ORIGINAL RF splitting of the water molecule, but it is related to the e-beam reactor in so much that the electric field and the magnetic field are created along with a third field "one of current" which does not come from the input power, it is created in free space between the atoms within that free space, hundreds of times more powerful than you could ever put into the input of your system.

Where does that power come from? well it comes from the stressed atoms without breaking them "if it did that would be a nuclear reaction and this is not ".

Yes I do keep things close to my chest and I am still alive I am the only one that knows how to make this e-beam reactor for molecular manipulation, as far as I know at the moment

The RF breaking of the water molecule was just the start of a long road to where I am today with the e-beam reactor, and I can see more work needed even though the system works as it is. If this is to go out into the world to be used, it will be in the best possible form so as not to be thrown to the wolves and devoured and to never be seen again.

This thread is for showing how this third field can be used in other ways in the quest for energy generation, it has been used, just that nobody really knows what it is or how it is made or how it can be used. Nothing to do with my RF OR E-BEAM REACTOR, well not here anyway.

This thread is to show the way, like a shining light, how and why you can get a magnetic pulse motor to self run, as an example lets keep it that way

Mike
Mike,
why use complicated RF circuit when for creation of fuel gas you can use simply high voltage and affordable mechanical parts? E-beam reactor with new source of electrons work great. Probably you are oriented to extract energy directly but isn't my goal at this time.
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This may also fit with the idea that Tesla was moving towards pulsed DC, rather than AC, since pulsed DC would keep spinning the electrons in the same direction.
so pulsed DC gives you the cycle....



Note: Tesla interplanetary communication apparatus would probably make more sense in light of 3D electromagnetic field theory


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this quote is right on the subject

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if you think like a Vegan. An alien intelligence is going to be more advanced. That means efficiency functioning on multiple levels and in multiple dimensions.
just like a Fractal Construct....

V.I.Korobejnikov does deserve a Nobel of physics, because when you start to wrap your mind around it (not yet there ), it is quite a revolutionary theory
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so pulsed DC gives you the cycle....
DC riding on a wave, like a surfer on a wave in the ocean, you have three things happening, DC riding on the wave which creates the forward power.

@Alex, the e-beam does not use complicated electronics, the frequencies are in the khz and as so do not need complicated electronics, but it has to be right and tuned to create the high current that is generated inside the molecules that you put in there.

The higher the current generated "which is riding on a wave", the greater the vibration of the molecule and the quicker it breaks, that is what happens with molecules, "molecular vibration".

What I am trying to show here is that this can be applied to the Muller generator and others and probably was in the original Muller generator.

What you have to do is create a higher current than the input current and that current comes from the third electromagnetic field, if you can call it that, or it will never self run. I am not into building motor generators at the moment, but I will give all the help I can to someone to build one.

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DC riding on a wave, like a surfer on a wave in the ocean, you have three things happening, DC riding on the wave which creates the forward power.


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the way i see it, the waves of oceans provides us with best hint on how energy is transfered from one antenna to the another. think of a surfer riding his wave, now what if i told you that the surfer is the energy you are trying to transfer and the wave is the coupled resonance of both antennas (you should not see both antennas as two separate bodies but actually as one "big wave" ready to be riden ).


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What I am trying to show here is that this can be applied to the Muller generator and others and probably was in the original Muller generator.
exactly my thoughts

Mike, I understand what you mean, it is probably high time to stop thinking in 2D and move into a 3D approach :

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Years ago, I saw a web page explaining a CD conditioning technology by Bedini. He used a coil wrapped around a magnet (or Iron cores ) and there was a field that came off perpendicular that was used to treat the CD.
This may also fit with the idea that Tesla was moving towards pulsed DC, rather than AC, since pulsed DC would keep spinning the electrons in the same direction.
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DC riding on a wave, like a surfer on a wave in the ocean, you have three things happening, DC riding on the wave which creates the forward power.

@Alex, the e-beam does not use complicated electronics, the frequencies are in the khz and as so do not need complicated electronics, but it has to be right and tuned to create the high current that is generated inside the molecules that you put in there.

The higher the current generated "which is riding on a wave", the greater the vibration of the molecule and the quicker it breaks, that is what happens with molecules, "molecular vibration".

What I am trying to show here is that this can be applied to the Muller generator and others and probably was in the original Muller generator.

What you have to do is create a higher current than the input current and that current comes from the third electromagnetic field, if you can call it that, or it will never self run. I am not into building motor generators at the moment, but I will give all the help I can to someone to build one.

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Mike I refer to your 3D electromagnetic field, that need for work RF circuits and coils. I know how e-beam work including molecular vibration as you call but e-beam work also using only high voltage in khz frequency
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Quite different conditions exist in my system in which the electromagnetic waves or radiations are designedly minimized. the connection of one of, the terminals of the transmitting circuit to the ground having, itself, the effect of reducing the energy of these radiations to about one-half, Under observance of 'proper rules and artifices the distance is of little or no consequence, and by skillful application of the principle of "individualization," repeatedly referred to the messages may be rendered both non-interfering and non-interferable. This invention, which I have described in technical publications, attempts to imitate, in a very crude way, the nervous system in the human body.' Nicolas Tesla


besides the fact that the nervous system is Fractal (The Brain is an Advanced Fractal Antenna )

Note: Neuronal Pulse = pulsed DC



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besides the fact that the nervous system is Fractal (The Brain is an Advanced Fractal Antenna )

Note: Neuronal Pulse = pulsed DC



linked this thread to my other threads
Probably that help your mind to understand ... all is based on electrons and electrons are the key
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