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Old 07-08-2011, 08:45 PM
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Using Cymatics to visualise electric phenomena?

Hi all,

I posted some stuff on Cymatics and its relation with ether physics and even (anti-)gravity before. Some excerpts:

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If indeed capacitive coupling is the dominant coupling mechanism, we would be talking about electric waves propagating from one winding to the next, which would be akin to pressure waves in a fluid, which would have an interesting analogy with acoustics. With acoustic pressure waves, one can make interesting pressure wave patterns, which would be similar to what would happen inside a resonating pancake coil. This is known as cymatics:

Cymatics

This is a 2D pattern:

In 3D, we get similar patterns:


The left half of the images show the same kind of pattern, one in 2D, one in 3D. As you can see, you get a hot spot in the centre, so it may be possible to do something similar with 3D ball / wool knot shaped coils.

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Update 7: One more picture on cymatics:
Cymatics : Physics • Rational Skepticism Forum





I like these kinds of images, because I believe there is a real ether, as Tesla always said, so these cymatic techniques enable us to make pictures and video's of how waves propagate trough the medium, be it water or the ether.

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Continueing in this line of thinking: if the ether really is fluid like and the "elemental" particles like quarks that make up matter are really just about the same as the matter we know, just oscillating at a higher frequency, then suddenly you will also have a very hard time maintaining that traveling at speeds higher then the speed of light is impossible. Cause since if the ether is fluid/gas like and we know we can travel trough these at speeds much greater than the speeds at which waves travel trough these media, then you are really looking at exactly the same kind of thing, just at a different scale.

And then, suddenly, you also have a hard time maintaining the hypothesis posted here is an impossibility: 'Extraterrestrial hypothesis' is now public operative explanation for UFOs ...

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And then take a look at what you can do with standing soundwaves in a fluid, called "Cymatics".
Cymatics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Just google for that and look at the images Google shows you, f.e.:

Cymatics | | MECHA fushigi | mechanism of MAKA fushigi :




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First a bit about what Cynematics is:
The Structure and Dynamics of Waves and Vibrations by Hans Jenny



Basically, you have some particles floating in a fluid and vibrate that with sound.




Now take a look at this picture:

See this ball-like structure in the centre?

Two questions to think about:
1. What force makes the matter stick in that centre?
2. What would happen if you would rotate this whole thing?


And then look at this:
Cymatic Ferrofluid « all manner of distractions




Why does magnetism do the same things?

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I think you must have figured out by now that it isn't gravity that keeps the particles in place in the cynematics exercise. That is very interesting, because if "gravity" exists in resonating fluids and there is a real fluidlike ether with such small particles that we cannot meausure them, then gravity would be exactly the same as in this analogy. Since these are standing waves, you would have standing areas with high pressure, and standing areas with low pressure of the fluid surrounding the sphere. Then the big particles would naturally flow towards the areas with the lowest ether pressure.

If that would be the case, gravity would be nothing but an electric phenomenon, and you could theoritically overcome it very easily. You see, if there would be a gradient in the ether pressure around the earth, and ether pressure is the exact same phenomenon as the phenomenon we call the electric field, then you could create "anti gravity" simply by taking two capacitor plates and charge them in the opposit direction as the pressure gradient, right?

Of course, we could not figure that one out by ourselves using "classic" EM theory, because if there is no ether, then gravity must be something else. How convenient:

Unexplained Mysteries - Biefield-Brown Anti-Gravity Effect

Oops, the capacitors would have to be asymmetrical:

IceStuff.com: The electrostatic Lifter v3.0 experiment from The Encyclopedia of free energy,energy21.org,energy 21 org Geoff Egel
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So, in classic EM theory, we are dealing with an interesting problem. You see, because it is charge carriers that cause the field, you cannot have a field by itself. Now, if there are no charge carriers, like what is supposedly the case in the vacuum, it eventually turns out of the equations that there can be no longitudinal, pressurelike waves, which is also why they are still looking for "gravity waves", so they can finally understand gravity.

However, in Quantum mechanics, you have all kinds of wave equations, with which you can do all kinds of calculations on atoms and for example predict the wave lengths of light that will be emitted when an atom has been "excited", as you do in a fluorescent bulb. Basically, that says matter is an electromagnetic wave.

So, we end up with the situation that on the one hand they say longitudinal waves cannot exist in the vacuum, because the fields can only be created by charge carriers which are matter, while on the other hand they say matter is nothing but an electromagnetic wave. Make up your mind, folks! Either the field creates the matter, or the matter creates the field. Really, ye can't have them both at the same time, right?

And of course, then they also manage to explain EM waves as being transversal waves, which would be the only types of waves that can exist, while in "real fluids" you cannot have transversal waves, except at the boundary of two media.

Now look back at this "Cymatic Ferrofluid" picture. Basically the same exercise as with we saw before with sound. The only difference is that this time magnetic fluid is used, and you see the same kind of patterns. If there would be a real ether, you would say that it look exactly like a standing wave pattern and that the fluid naturally moves to the areas which have the lowest ether pressure.
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So, then let's summarize this:

The electric field as well as gravitation is a longitudinal wave propagating trough the ether.
Magnetism is a 3D vortex in the ether.


Now enter Viktor Schauberger:
Viktor Schauberger, Anti gravity propulsion inventor

Viktor Schauberger :


So, if there is no ether, how on earth could a water expert be useful in the research into this kind of technology?

So, to be absolutely clear: Einstein's relativity theory is rubbish, we should go back to ether theory == fluid dynamics, just on a different scale if we want to understand what really goes on with the electric field, the magnetic field and the gravity field as well. I have made the argument for Einstein's relativity theory here: http://energeticforum.com/renewable-...ain-wrong.html

As I just realized, this opens the door to a whole new way for experimenting with these 3 phenomena. We can actually build large-scale models of the very tiny stuff we cannot see, as Schauberger and Jenny both did.

So, I was thinking it should be possible to make a long tube with brushes and vibrate that in water in order to simulate electro-magnetic waves along a wire. Something like this:

If you would mount such a device on an actuator that can both rotate the brush around it's axis and vibrate it back and forth at the same time, you could actually vizualize something very similar to what we would see happening around a transmission line wire.

You could make an actuator like that by mounting an electric motor on top of a loudspeaker for very little money, which you could steer from the sound card of a computer, trough a simple audio amp, like "Cymaticians" do:
YouTube - ‪Non-Newtonian Fluid on a Speaker Cone‬‏

Of course, this is just a very rough idea and the possibilities for variations and experimentations are virtually limitless.

And to get an idea about the possibilities, a few video's from YT to feed your appetite:

YouTube - ‪Cymatics - Bringing Matter To Life With Sound (Part 1 of 3)‬‏
YouTube - ‪Cymatics - Bringing Matter To Life With Sound (Part 2 of 3)‬‏
YouTube - ‪Cymatics - Bringing Matter To Life With Sound (Part 3 of 3)‬‏

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I think it may be best to use some solid material coated with some kind of gel to make the vibrator for in the fluid. Kind of like a coax core without the mantle, but covered with a more soft material, like gelly pudding

With such a material, you could even vizualize the vibrations generated by a coil.
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posted this a while back in my thread:a better way to present the periodic table, this would fit well in this thread

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As I keep on searching for clues in Nature that could validate the The Wave Structure of Matter/The Electric Universe theory, i found the following pictures that are another piece of this "cosmic puzzle":

Cymatics (from Greek: κῦμα "wave") is the study of visible sound and vibration, a subset of modal phenomena.















You can find out more here:

Biology :: Cymascope Research

Phyisics :: Cymascope Research

Music and Geometry:
Standing Waves form Platonic Solids


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"In 3D standing waves, a structure, with all characteristics of a platonic solid, is formed for each standing wave mode. Within an atom, which is the building block of matter, the platonic solid is not formed by salt or known particles, but by electromagnetic waves in vacuum.

Both the students of Buckminster Fuller and his protege Dr. Hans Jenny devised clever experiments that showed how the Platonic Solids would form within a vibrating / pulsating 3D sphere.


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Vibrations, Harmonics, Resonance, Waves and Reality


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Great Cymatic website, videos included

Cymatics.org

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However, Buckminster Fuller and his students such as Hans Jenny(4) were able to recreate these waveforms using colloidal suspensions or dyes in liquids. Again, certain frequencies resulted in standing waves with visible and equally spaced nodes in three dimensions. The patterns formed by these waveforms were exact matches for the Platonic Solids5 with the vertices’ positions being defined by the nodes. The problem to be solved is that there are only five possible geometries, ie Octahedron, Star Tetrahedron, Cube,Dodecahedron and Icosahedron. For the Diatonic scale we obviously need seven shapes.

The solution appears to have been resolved by combining Pythagorean wisdom with the Hindu scriptures.(6) All the Platonic solids fit exactly within a perfect sphere which is the shape of the fundamental frequency at the beginning of the octave. Its closest relation, the Icosahedron, actually appears twice, once as an inner version within the Octahedron and once as an outer version following the Dodecahedron.(1) Thus we have a complete octave of shapes to match the Diatonic scale.
The Shape Of Sound

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B]All the Platonic solids fit exactly within a perfect sphere
in other words all comes out of Zero

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The concept of zero as a number and not merely a symbol for separation is attributed to India where by the 9th century AD practical calculations were carried out using zero, which was treated like any other number, even in case of division.[10][11] The Indian scholar Pingala (circa 5th-2nd century BC) used binary numbers in the form of short and long syllables (the latter equal in length to two short syllables), making it similar to Morse code.[12][13] He and his contemporary Indian scholars used the Sanskrit word śūnya to refer to zero or void.
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Great Cymatic website, videos included

Cymatics.org

also

The Shape Of Sound

in other words all comes out of Zero
Great finds!

The first site also points to this simulator, which may be useful:
3-D Wave Simulation
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just found this very nice german website on cymatics while watching a doc on crop circles:


WasserKlangBilder, Klangfiguren, A. Lauterwasser, Klangwellen, Überlingen

and if you are curious about crop circles, here is the doc i found it in:

New swirled order want to watch the cymatics animation go to 14:30 min of the vid

‪New swirled order‬‏ - YouTube

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Where does this mysterious crop circle phenomena come from? Is it done by man as a joke? So why do people have extraordinary experiences then? Flying ball of lights were seen in and around crop cirlces. Or is it an alien intelligence which try to communicate with us? The geometry which can be found in crop circles, inculed a lot of mathematics which can be also found in nature.
I would like to also read the following:

Underground Water and Crop Circles - Article by Glenn Broughton

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Put very simply we are stating that there is always underground water present where crop formations occur.


again water
...why am i not surprised

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