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A open toroid in ice, they say water is diamagnetic , it sure alines with the magnetic field

The ice wasnt all cracked until I pulsed the coil then you could hear and see cracks forming.

Awhile back I took a transformer removed the iron that surrounded the coils but I left the iron that went through the core, I froze it in ice for three days, with a dc current running through the coils, I removed the cell from the freezer and pulsed the cell by hand, something happened Im not sure what but it sounded like a 22 rifle went off scared the daylights out of me, the ice in the cell fractured everwhere.
People that live in Alsaka often report that when frozen water breaks off that it often pops really loud sometimes even as loud as a rifle shot. It could be that when you pulsed the coil that it superheated and the rapid change in temperature caused the ice to shatter.
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I put the Smith coil in water today with a current running through it, will take pics in three days and post.
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Can't wait to see the results

did the same thing with the double mobius "smith" coil
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Yea I thought of that but I'll tell ya winding a toroid by hand is no easy task, I built a really cool winding machine out of a electric wheelchair motor its a 12 volt dc motor, I used part of the wheelchair frame, whats really cool is that the end of the shaft was threaded and a drill chuck screwed right on it sweeeeeeeeeet.
Then I went to a thrift store and found an old sewing machine peddle now it works like a charm I'll have to post a pic of it later.

Something strange has happened well not strange it has happened before, what I have been doing is hooking up the coil then running to a light bulb, that creates a current through the coil and a magnetic field, then I hook a battery charger to the battery, but it kills my charger and drains the battery it happened just now on the Smith coil thats the third charger Iv ruined, I must be getting a dead short through the water but Im using distilled water.

I probably should stick to the pvc type instead of immersing in water.
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Yea I thought of that but I'll tell ya winding a toroid by hand is no easy task, I built a really cool winding machine out of a electric wheelchair motor its a 12 volt dc motor, I used part of the wheelchair frame, whats really cool is that the end of the shaft was threaded and a drill chuck screwed right on it sweeeeeeeeeet.
Then I went to a thrift store and found an old sewing machine peddle now it works like a charm I'll have to post a pic of it later.

Something strange has happened well not strange it has happened before, what I have been doing is hooking up the coil then running to a light bulb, that creates a current through the coil and a magnetic field, then I hook a battery charger to the battery, but it kills my charger and drains the battery it happened just now on the Smith coil thats the third charger Iv ruined, I must be getting a dead short through the water but Im using distilled water.

I probably should stick to the pvc type instead of immersing in water.

I know , i made me some Rodin coils and it was a evening's worth of work...

maybe isolating the coils from the water, so you'll be using only the magnetic fields
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People that live in Alsaka often report that when frozen water breaks off that it often pops really loud sometimes even as loud as a rifle shot. It could be that when you pulsed the coil that it superheated and the rapid change in temperature caused the ice to shatter.
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I really dont think it was heat I probably didnt pulse the coils but maybe five times not enough to heat the coil I think there was a buildup of charge and it had nowhere to go, normal ice acts like and insulator, if I could channel that kind of power then maybe
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I really dont think it was heat I probably didnt pulse the coils but maybe five times not enough to heat the coil I think there was a buildup of charge and it had nowhere to go, normal ice acts like and insulator, if I could channel that kind of power then maybe
as in the video with acrylic , re-freeze it and try again, the fractal channels are already in it...maybe

btw: i'm currently viewing the induction video...it is amazing
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I know , i made me some Rodin coils and it was a evening's worth of work...

maybe isolating the coils from the water, so you'll be using only the magnetic fields
I really wanted to see what the effect would be, I'll figure something out.
Here's a pic of the Smith coil
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I really wanted to see what the effect would be, I'll figure something out.
Here's a pic of the Smith coil
the design looks like earth magnetic field

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the design looks like earth magnetic field

The winds are left hand start and finish out one side and right hand start and finish out the other then they are hooked up in series from the center out.
The winds are alternated on the core left then right, hope to see some positive results from this coil I run negative one direction through the winds and the positive the other direction then to the bulb.
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I need to build another cell and use this type of coil
i do remember mentioning water in the earth core
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I've read through the material on EH-antenna.com a number of times. From my reading of the material, the core is supposed to be conducting, but non-ferromagentic. Copper or aluminum should fit the bill. In addition, I believe their HZ antenna has two coils wound in the same direction on the conductive, non-ferromagnetic core separated by a small gap. I've been planning on building my own version of this, but haven't had time this week due to work demands...

I'd be curious if you get a chance to build such a beast if it displays any different types of behavior.
non-ferromagnetic substances : such as wood, plastic, glass, bone, copper aluminium, SiO2 (quartz), air and water

about quartz, 3d Magnetic should probably be considered at play here

INVENTION - Piezomagentic Induction

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non-ferromagnetic conductive substances : , copper aluminium, air and water ....

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side note:

After reviewing shawn's post (http://www.energeticforum.com/151201-post61.html ), i was wondering what would happen if you replaced acrylic with weak magnet (just out of curiosity )

Optical pumping of neodymium glass by radiation emitted from a high-current discharge

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A neodymium glass laser was pumped by the radiation emitted from a high-current pulse (τ = 70 μ sec) discharge. Such pumping .reduced the free-oscillation threshold by 40% compared with the pumping provided by standard lamps in an elliptic reflector. The use of a high-current discharge as the pumping source for Q-switched neodymium lasers increased considerably the laser efficiency.
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also, shawn's post applies as well to the Koch Experiment ,

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http://www.energeticforum.com/148737-post122.html

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The magnet is an anisotropic ( see post: http://www.energeticforum.com/148190-post73.html and http://www.energeticforum.com/148982-post137.html Dave you should read this one if you did not already ) (sintered ceramic containing neodymium, iron and boron (NdFeB). The anisotropic nature of the material (meaning that it has properties that differ according to the direction of the measurement) is due to the tetragonal crystalline structure of the NdFeB molecule.
i'd recommend you check Walter Russell's periodic table/crystal table to check if you see a link



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The antenna idea appeals to me in that we would be using a tap.
Also I read an article awhile back that was in the ham radio forum, ice buildup on their antenna's causes the vswr to go up

Reading up on the EH antenna now thanks.

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It would seem that if you had a set vsw anything over that could be bled off if enough the system could be looped.
Lot of work todo.
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It would seem that if you had a set vsw anything over that could be bled off if enough the system could be looped.
Lot of work todo.

could you develop a little on this so i can visualize it, please
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could you develop a little on this so i can visualize it, please
It would seem if you had a voltage standing wave set up in a system and could increase that standing wave without adding more power from the primary that would be a form of gain, now if you can exceed input that's another story

Antenna's and the way they work is a very interesting subject but I dont think that's whats happening in a thunderstorm, the only way we'v ever made enough electricity is by tapping the magnetic field, now we use coils of wire on the external field, we need to trap the particles where they are confined and thats in the core.

When does a magnetic field quit being a magnetic field and start being an electric field?When its turned off-when its pulsed

I think one of the misconceptions in physics is that the electric field runs 90 degrees to the magnetic field.
If a particle is moving forward in space it moves in circular pattern like a spring what would happen if the field that was guiding the particle were shut off, it would leave the structured orbit at 90 degrees.
Take a ball connected to string spin the ball on the end of the string as you move forward, release the string, the ball leaves the forward direction at 90 degrees, and so does the particle.

Normal ice does not conduct electricity, if electricity is applied to ice it will move across the surface of the ice.
Iv notice that when freezing the ice with a magnetic field inside there appears to be small channels where the field lines are,
will these channels conduct electricity? If so then there's your superconductor

I better quit before I get even more confused

This is a very interesting read, puts me in mind of Leedskalnin's sun dial
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I really dont think it was heat I probably didnt pulse the coils but maybe five times not enough to heat the coil I think there was a buildup of charge and it had nowhere to go, normal ice acts like and insulator, if I could channel that kind of power then maybe
That's definitely probable. Another thought...often times resonate frequencies can cause vibrational or sonic disturbances which when built up could cause a breakdown in structural integrity...such as when a tuning fork is brought near crystal causing it to shatter. You did say that you pulsed it several times. Just a thought.
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Electricity collected from the air could become the newest alternative energy source

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Imagine devices that capture electricity from the air ― much like solar cells capture sunlight ― and using them to light a house or recharge an electric car. Imagine using similar panels on the rooftops of buildings to prevent lightning before it forms. Strange as it may sound, scientists already are in the early stages of developing such devices, according to a report presented today at the 240th National Meeting of the American Chemical Society (ACS).
they have a 100 years delay

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The notion of harnessing the power of electricity formed naturally has tantalized scientists for centuries. They noticed that sparks of static electricity formed as steam escaped from boilers. Workers who touched the steam even got painful electrical shocks. Famed inventor Nikola Tesla, for example, was among those who dreamed of capturing and using electricity from the air. It's the electricity formed, for instance, when water vapor collects on microscopic particles of dust and other material in the air. But until now, scientists lacked adequate knowledge about the processes involved in formation and release of electricity from water in the atmosphere, Galembeck said. He is with the University of Campinas in Campinas, SP, Brazil....
Scientists once believed that water droplets in the atmosphere were electrically neutral, and remained so even after coming into contact with the electrical charges on dust particles and droplets of other liquids. But new evidence suggested that water in the atmosphere really does pick up an electrical charge.
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so we converge towards a hydro-magnetic dynamo

read page 5 of this thread starting from post 141 onward

http://www.energeticforum.com/148474-post141.html

a little comment i made on Tesla's set up:

http://www.energeticforum.com/147906-post128.html

note: temperature difference plays a role in the electric charging and transfer of potential (liquid to ice )

Explained: Thermoelectricity

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about the previous post, see also Electro-Culture



it also takes me back to tree as radiant antenna :

Tree in fog, Central Otago - YouTube

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I would like you to read this article like an analogy to capture radiant energy (whatever you want to call it ), and i have been saying this for quite a while :



Here's looking at dew: spiders snare water from the air

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The secret, revealed by scanning electron microscope, lies in the silk's tail-shaped protein fibres which change structure in response to water.

Once in contact with humidity, tiny sections of the thread scrunge up into knots, whose randomly arranged nano-fibres provide a roughly, knobbly texture.

In between these "spindle knots" are joints, which are smooth and slender, comprising neatly aligned fibres.
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right now, if you asked me what set up is the most likely to produce a quantifiable amount of energy, i would say :

the hydro magnetic generator, which i recommend you read the description to understand why I am proposing the following variant to a tesla coil:



the toroid would be replaced with a copy of the Hydro Magnetic generator but instead of using barrium as he did, you replace it with quartz coating (nanopool)...and the hydro part played by Mstate water enjoy

as the water moves in the coated toroid it erodes the quartz and carries with it nano particule of quartz which increases the potential

....however i would like to point out that as you will read the post on the hydro magnetic generator, examples abound in space, as such in space water goes through a rapid cycle of liquid to ice due to shock wave and electric discharge
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I would add the Electrostatic Cooling on the exterior part of the toroid to create a temperature difference between the exterior and internal part of the toroid:

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Hey been out of town for awhile going back tomorrow, took awhile to catch up on all the post, great work.
What would you say is the most common crystal in the universe

Instead of finding the frequency of the crystal I think the crystal can be formed to the frequency you want, still experimenting when I have time, not much lately.
Dave

I envision a crystal power cell that will cool as the heat in the form of electricity is removed from the system, it should go into a superconductive state that will provide unlimited power.

I may know a way of doing that ; if applied to a high frequency crystal...read the link i think you will understand what i mean

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would this do the job Dave


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I wound a traditional Smith coil and put in the freezer today, this is my last 12volt power supply, need to hit the thrift stores I find all kinds of stuff to experiment with there and cheap, it dont hurt as bad when you ruin things

You can get high voltage power supplies out of air purifiers
Old tv's have tons of electronics as well as wire, monitors tons of junk
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Oscar C. Blomgren: Electrostatic Cooling ~ Collected patents & articles

His high voltage electric field draws negatively charged electrons to one electrode and positively charged particles to the other, breaking up the flame.

I'll bet it will pull heat from water too
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His high voltage electric field draws negatively charged electrons to one electrode and positively charged particles to the other, breaking up the flame.

I'll bet it will pull heat from water too
I place my bet on you...
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right now, if you asked me what set up is the most likely to produce a quantifiable amount of energy, i would say :

the hydro magnetic generator, which i recommend you read the description to understand why I am proposing the following variant to a tesla coil:



the toroid would be replaced with a copy of the Hydro Magnetic generator but instead of using barrium as he did, you replace it with quartz coating (nanopool)...and the hydro part played by Mstate water enjoy

as the water moves in the coated toroid it erodes the quartz and carries with it nano particule of quartz which increases the potential

....however i would like to point out that as you will read the post on the hydro magnetic generator, examples abound in space, as such in space water goes through a rapid cycle of liquid to ice due to shock wave and electric discharge
The Tesla coil reminds me of a pebble in a pond, the bigger the pebble the bigger the disruption, I spent most of the day shopping for more pvc parts to start my next cell,
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Oscar C. Blomgren: Electrostatic Cooling ~ Collected patents & articles

His high voltage electric field draws negatively charged electrons to one electrode and positively charged particles to the other, breaking up the flame.

I'll bet it will pull heat from water too
At what voltage range does this effect begin? And how effective is this method of cooling? To be honest this is a new one on me.

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