Trees as radiant energy collector - Page 9

MonsieurM · #**241** 07-18-2011, 07:06 PM

Slider, are you still working on your fractal antenna for your RC plane?

I found a website that gives you a comparison on different fractal models and their relation to design and wire length, hope this helps:

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These pages are devoted to the analysis of those forms known as Fractals. The list of designs to the left cover topics reviewed by myself in the rec.radio.amateur.antenna newsgroup. The designs are those presented to the newsgroup through web site http://www.seanet.com/~rwclark/kb7qhc in the Feb.-mar. period of 1997. This work was moved to this present location in 1998. The next significant overhaul came in the summer of 1999 when all designs were re-evaluated in the Constant Wire and Constant Height surveys.

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There is no attempt to pre-qualify any of the designs except by the most fundamental relationship of fractal form, wavelength and length of wire. The height of an antenna or amount of wire consumed in the construction of any particular design was chosen to be an easily scalable and resolvable value. The designs here in these pages generally have a value of 16, 32, or 64 meters. Now this value may be an expression of the height of a design, or the amount of wire consumed (the length of wire in the bends and turns). Through these constraints in size, come reduction in variables.

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The data reveals the shift of the resonance is positively correlated to the number of elements in the fractal form.

Fractal Antennas

and i believe it applies to everything i have been posting so far

MonsieurM · #**242** 07-18-2011, 09:01 PM

follow up on post: #235 http://www.energeticforum.com/147830-post235.html

from: Charging Water with a Singing Bowl

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Originally Posted by Armagdn03

what is magic about the numbers Three Six and Nine?

Sure Im preaching to the quire here, but one of the more interesting processes to understand, is how frequencies can create other frequencies. How they halve, double, etc. Make machines which can do this and you are way ahead of the curve. This can be done through superposition of waves creating beat frequencies, or through parametrics.

For beat frequencies the rules of thumb are (f1+f2) and (f1-f2)

Say we have frequencies 3 and 6 combine to give us 9 and 3 respectively. 9 is a new frequency....3 is now reinforced by a beat frequency of 3.

now you have 3(3),6,9 which can combine to give frequencies:

3 (again, 9-6)
15 (9+6)
6 (again 9-3)

so we have the original 3, which has two beat frequencies now augmenting it, we have 6 which has a beat frequency augmenting it, we have nine (15-6), which has beat frequencies augmenting it, on and on down the line.

3 6 and 9 are just a ratio, that creates this pattern of creation of frequencies which augment the original frequencies which created them.

Harmonics Theory Physics and Maths

Thank you , it is very enlightening ,

thank you again Armagdn03

MonsieurM · #**243** 07-18-2011, 11:48 PM

to prove to you the many uses of the Emerald Tablet, think of what Edward Leedskalnin said

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As I said in the beginning, the North and South Pole magnets they are the cosmic force, they hold together this earth and everything on it.

or magnetism if you prefer

when you read this:

It states:

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What is the above is from the below and the below is from the above. The work of wonders is from one.
And all things sprang from this essence through a single projection. How marvelous is its work! It is the principle [sic] part of the world and its custodian.
Its father is the sun and its mother is the moon. Thus the wind bore it within it and the earth nourished it.

Now read the same above quote with this in mind

WATER IN THE UNIVERSE

The Paper

Moon Has a Hundred Times More Water Than Thought

Magmatic water - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

see also what i posted a while back, you might be suprised

:http://www.energeticforum.com/147486-post197.html

MonsieurM · #**244** 07-19-2011, 01:10 AM

I just wanted to point out an info i posted earlier:

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just a thought but if Dr Tesla was using a spherical grid instead in his Colorado Springs experiment[/COLOR], instead of a solid sphere (usually found in lab models) because he needed water inside the sphere found in the atmosphere...

(just noticed this little detail)

as for underground transmission:

Magmatic water - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

MonsieurM · #**245** 07-19-2011, 01:52 AM

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The data reveals the shift of the resonance is positively correlated to the number of elements in the fractal form.

Fractal Antennas

If you think out of the box, the shift of the resonance is positively correlated to the number of elements in the fractal form can also be applied to how you set up coils (strands and positioning), crystals etc...

It applies to fractal forms you try to build

gene gene · #**246** 07-19-2011, 03:10 AM

at MonsieurM, Why do you post, repost, post again, quote entire posts, link to previous posts, post the same thing in 4 threads and more? I find this all quite misleading, and quite hard to follow.
confused, Gene

MonsieurM · #**247** 07-19-2011, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by gene gene

at MonsieurM, Why do you post, repost, post again, quote entire posts, link to previous posts, post the same thing in 4 threads and more? I find this all quite misleading, and quite hard to follow.
confused, Gene

I'm sorry for this gene gene

, unfortunately, not everyone reads all the threads, the way i see it, each is a different theme, but all converges, so sometimes one info can be applied to "sound but also to trees as well" I will definitely follow your advise and link to the post i wish u all to view. I asked myself the same question recently about all the info i found , and it was in a way a convergence of all the threads. as Ben Rich puts it:

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All points in time and space are connected?

I'll see to it that in the future, i would be less confusing

Btw: please feel free to ask me to clarify myself. The only way, you and i can advance in this research, is if we hold (all of us ) a dialogue ; and contribute a bit of information and questions. I learn at the same time as you learn

thank you again Gene, I appreciate you letting me know

MonsieurM · #**248** 07-19-2011, 10:05 AM

it is until recently that all the threads started converging, i guess it is because i truly started to see the fractal in all these threads....which is a good sign, it reflects the theory of a fractal Universe

MonsieurM · #**249** 07-19-2011, 02:10 PM

updated post: http://www.energeticforum.com/148195-post137.html

http://www.energeticforum.com/148190-post73.html

just a reminder, for those interested in this thread you can print each page in pdf using a pdf printer (search google)

MonsieurM · #**250** 07-20-2011, 09:54 AM

Check out a post made by: antigraviticsystems1

http://www.energeticforum.com/148294-post132.html

MonsieurM · #**251** 07-21-2011, 12:12 AM

Just had my first Eureka moment at Harvesting Energy From the Sun Using Crystals

starting from post #79

MonsieurM · #**252** 07-26-2011, 11:43 PM

An interesting read, i highly recommend it:

Harmonic Resonance
by
Randall Cole ROFFE

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The application of the principles of one science into another is often neglected. Today we have a massive and growing volume of experimentally proven information that certainly does not always
find its every application. In the real world, we can work from scientific theory, through experimentation, into an engineered result, but just as often we work via reverse engineering, from the result back into the origin.

To view and contemplate the entire known electromagnetic spectrum as a whole,[/B (a fractal system ) and in terms of music and acoustics, or of color theory, is not a new concept. It has found expression in the
“music of the spheres” and other fanciful philosophies. The new concept here is to actually delineate the considerable volume of information about the vibration rates of all things in their various
states, and simply see if there is a pattern.

Randall Cole Roffe: Harmonic Resonance

dambit · #**253** 07-27-2011, 05:45 AM

Hi All,

Back to tree's for a moment

I just stuck a few nails in the side of my 40 ft palm tree and a copper tube into the ground next to it. The result is a constant 0.5V and about 2.5mA in a direct short.

Can't find any of my little 1 farad super caps at the moment, but I'm sure I'll be able to fire up my joule thief when I do.

EverReady garden lights, Oh yeah!

Cheers,

Steve

MonsieurM · #**254** 07-27-2011, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by dambit

Hi All,

Back to tree's for a moment

I just stuck a few nails in the side of my 40 ft palm tree and a copper tube into the ground next to it. The result is a constant 0.5V and about 2.5mA in a direct short.

Can't find any of my little 1 farad super caps at the moment, but I'm sure I'll be able to fire up my joule thief when I do.

EverReady garden lights, Oh yeah!

Cheers,

Steve

Hello dambit, I am looking forward to hearing from your experiment

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Back to tree's for a moment

Indeed Back to trees again

, i follow the information i gather, lately it has been over Crystal and Water...but as Randall Cole ROFFE says:

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The application of the principles of one science into another is often neglected. Today we have a massive and growing volume of experimentally proven information that certainly does not always
find its every application

In other words, when describing a fractal system (tree, radio antenna etc...), the principle remains the same

dambit · #**255** 07-27-2011, 11:27 AM

MonsieurM,

What you said is true. Many areas of what we are all researching here do have connections which are quite often overlooked.

I'm off to Sydney for a few day for the boat show so I will be getting back to this "tree business" next week.

I was watching some of Bedini's youtube vids regarding his concrete beer can battery experiments and found them to be quite interesting. Would be a little easier to carry around than a tree battery.

Cheers,

Steve

MonsieurM · #**256** 07-27-2011, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by dambit

MonsieurM,

What you said is true. Many areas of what we are all researching here do have connections which are quite often overlooked.

I'm off to Sydney for a few day for the boat show so I will be getting back to this "tree business" next week.

I was watching some of Bedini's youtube vids regarding his concrete beer can battery experiments and found them to be quite interesting. Would be a little easier to carry around than a tree battery.

Cheers,

Steve

quite true

, but i don't think your concrete batteries would be able to emit, transfer energy from one place to another, while you contact your friends using a tree....this is the point i have just discovered, that is a fractal construct has an 'efficient function', it has, as my friend Slider2732 calls it, a fractal ergonomy to them, they function on multiple levels and in multiple dimensions:

what better fractal construct than a tree

MonsieurM · #**257** 07-28-2011, 06:57 PM

a little bit of new info:

Astrophysicists find fractal image of Sun's 'Storm Season' imprinted on Solar Wind

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Plasma astrophysicists at the University of Warwick have found that key information about the Sun’s 'storm season’ is being broadcast across the solar system in a fractal snapshot imprinted in the solar wind. This research opens up new ways of looking at both space weather and the unstable behaviour that affects the operation of fusion powered power plants.

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Spacetime May Have Fractal Properties on a Quantum Scale

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As scale decreases, the number of dimensions of k-Minkowski spacetime (red line), which is an example of a space with quantum group symmetry, decreases from four to three. In contrast, classical Minkowski spacetime (blue line) is four-dimensional on all scales. This finding suggests that quantum groups are a valid candidate for the description of a quantum spacetime, and may have connections with a theory of quantum gravity. Image credit: Dario Benedetti.

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UQ researchers break the law -- of physics

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Dr Tony Roberts and PhD student Christophe P. Haynes, from the School of Maths and Physics, showed the fractal-Einstein and Alexander-Orbach laws can fail in some instances, and have derived a new law to replace them.
(maybe this is the 6th law of this fractal universe see post: http://www.energeticforum.com/148789-post127.html )
Dr Roberts said this new discovery had implications for predicting material properties; how disease spreads through society; mapping how wild animals forage for food; and improving the internet.

hehehe....

MonsieurM · #**258** 07-28-2011, 07:11 PM

second series of info:

New math theories reveal the nature of numbers

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On Friday, Emory mathematician Ken Ono will unveil new theories that answer these famous old questions.

Ono and his research team have discovered that partition numbers behave like fractals. They have unlocked the divisibility properties of partitions, and developed a mathematical theory for "seeing" their infinitely repeating superstructure. And they have devised the first finite formula to calculate the partitions of any number.

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Researchers create novel nanoantennas

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Nanoantennas work in much the same way as regular antennas, except they collect light instead of radio waves and are millions of times smaller.

The reason that Professor Juodkazis’ nanoantennas are so unique is that they are fractal – that is they consist of repeating patterns, with the shape of the smallest feature replicated to make identical, yet larger structures.

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Signs of ideal surfing conditions spotted in ocean of solar wind

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Researchers at the University of Warwick have found what could be the signal of ideal wave "surfing" conditions for individual particles within the massive turbulent ocean of the solar wind. The discovery could give a new insight into just how energy is dissipated in solar system sized plasmas such as the solar wind and could provide significant clues to scientists developing fusion power which relies on plasmas.

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At this particular scale they saw that the levels of turbulence switched from being mutlifractal to single fractal pattern. This single fractal pattern turbulence appears just right to create and sustain waves that can interact with the individual particles in the solar wind

MonsieurM · #**259** 07-28-2011, 07:23 PM

this one is a jewel (remember quartz, tree etc ....)

Electrons on the brink: Fractal patterns may be key to semiconductor magnetism (w/ Video)

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Just as the heartbeats of today's electronic devices depend on the ability to switch the flow of electricity in semiconductors on and off with lightning speed, the viability of the "spintronic" devices of the future -- technologies that manipulate both the flow and magnetic "spin" of electrons -- will require similarly precise control over semiconductor magnetism.

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New model predicts maximum tree height across the US

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The model takes in basic meteorological data — such as average annual temperature, precipitation, humidity and solar radiation — and computes how tall a tree is likely to grow under those conditions. The concept sounds simple enough, but lead author Chris Kempes, a PhD student in MIT's Department of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences, says it took an understanding of plant mechanics, as well as fractal geometry, to accurately link tree height with meteorology.

MonsieurM · #**260** 07-28-2011, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Slider2732

One thing I keep coming back to within all the great research you are posting...is about thoughts on forests.
All those 1/4 wave transmissions and receptions going on ! Bunched up they may seem to be, but the germination and actual placements of each tree, their success or failure at exact points on the forest floor, may be due more to resonance than the luck of where a seed may land.
If that were the case, then the expectation would be linear grids of uniform distance all across the forest. However, every tree constructs slightly differently, soil conditions are a factor, some have to deal with placements like the apple tree above, some are on uneven ground. Perhaps, therefore, that's why a forest does not have the appearance of a conventional grid system and yet may work as one - like a closed loop self runner always aiming for a COP > 1 hehe.
I haven't made a Starship coil yet, but if you look at one, the energy lines cross each other, creating impressive grid lines of conductivity. Does a forest work in the same way ?

the scientific proof

Seeing the forest through the trees

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Imagine you are walking through a forest. All around you are trees of different species, age, size and height. It looks pretty random, right? Wrong.

In research funded by the National Science Foundation, Brian Enquist of the department of ecology and evolutionary biology at the University of Arizona and his team have discovered a secret in the trees: Hidden among and within the architecture of the branches are fundamental rules that link the size, shape, age and in fact everything about a single tree to all the trees in a forest.

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This rule or code reoccurs as the tree grows, creating a fractal – a repeating pattern – like a spiral of daughter branches emanating from the mother branch or tree trunk.

enjoy...

MonsieurM · #**261** 07-30-2011, 06:35 PM

While doing some research, i found this drawing made by Viktor Schauberger:

and it looked very familiar until i remembered this type of radiation graph:

, and guess where i found it

Achieving Antenna Isolation Within Wireless Systems

Welcome - Microwave design articles, applications, and high-frequency design techniques for microwave and wireless engineer

so maybe this is the radiation graph we should get when optimally using a tree as radiant antenna:

MonsieurM · #**262** 08-01-2011, 08:15 PM

I think you are going to like this:

DNA could act as an antenna in electromagnetic communications

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A theoretical physicist has presented research that shows bacteria might transmit electromagnetic signals to produce species-specific wavelengths.

According to research presented by Northeastern University physicist Allan Widom, based on existing knowledge of DNA and electrons, bacteria can indeed communicate.

As i said before, we are all "Fractal Antennas" amongst other things

DNA could act as an antenna in electromagnetic communications | TG Daily

MonsieurM · #**263** 08-03-2011, 02:51 AM

"My second discovery was of a physical truth of the greatest importance. As I have searched the entire scientific records in more than a half dozen languages for a long time without finding the least anticipation, I consider myself the original discoverer of this truth, which can be expressed by the statement: There is no energy in matter other than that received from the environment." — Nikola Tesla

see following post: http://www.energeticforum.com/148540-post150.html

http://www.energeticforum.com/148543-post151.html

MonsieurM · #**264** 08-06-2011, 02:19 AM

I would like to show you a little something i found out today through re-reading my posts, the following are various info I posted that would lead you to conclude what a tree/forest is ....

Needless to say that Trees are Fractal in shape...and more

From: http://www.energeticforum.com/145192-post153.html

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.Think of a fractal antenna for what it is: a tuned LC circuit

from:http://www.energeticforum.com/142797-post70.html

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from a 2002 article. Unlike so many other promising breakthroughs this is one that has been widely implemented.
To further quote from the article: "The innovation, called Fractal Structure Circuit(TM) (FSC), uses fractalized conductor paths to replace the capacitors, inductors, and resistors in "RLC" circuits."
And another quote: ""Virtually every electronic device uses coils and capacitors to form RLC circuits. These discrete components are arranged by tried and true rules to get the circuit to perform as needed. What we've done is ask: can a fractal pattern, with its self-capacitance and self-inductance, be used to eliminate components and still get the equivalent RLC circuit? We've found that the answer is yes; and in most uses, especially at microwave frequencies, all components can be replaced by conductive fractal patterns or 3D structures."
And one more blurb from that article: " Looking at the Fractal Structured Circuit(TM) one sees, for example, a beautiful etched copper pattern replacing the usual traces connecting button or canned shaped capacitors and coils (or their SMT counterparts). "
Here is the link to that article.
Fractal Antenna Systems, Inc.

from: http://www.energeticforum.com/143116-post76.html

Trees talk in w-waves

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"Grants Pass, Ore. (AP) - Physicist Ed Wagner says he has found evidence that trees talk to each other in a language he calls W-waves.

"If you chop into a tree, you can see that adjacent trees put out an electrical pulse," said Wagner. "This indicates that they communicated directly."

"Explaining the phenomenon, Wagner pointed to a blip on a strip chart recording of the electrical pulse.

"It put out a tremendous cry of alarm," he said. "The adjacent trees put out smaller ones." .....

"People have known there was communication between trees for several years, but they've explained it by the chemicals trees produce," Wagner said.

"But I think the real communication is much quicker and more dramatic than that," he said. "These trees know within a few seconds what is happening. This is an automatic response."

"Wagner has measured the speed of W-waves at about 3 feet per second through the air.

"They travel much too slowly for electrical waves," he said. "They seem to be an altogether different entity. That's what makes them so intriguing. They don't seem to be electromagnetic waves at all."....

Comment. In addition to the above discovery, Wagner, who holds a PhD in physics from the University of Tennessee, has detected electrical standing waves in trees. The voltage measured by electrodes implanted in trees goes up and down as one goes higher and higher up the trees. Wagner's work has been published in Northwest Science, but we have not yet seen it. Incidentally, electricity does seem to affect plant growth, as described in our handbook: Incredible Life.

from: Trees as radiant energy collector

Seeing the forest through the trees

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Imagine you are walking through a forest. All around you are trees of different species, age, size and height. It looks pretty random, right? Wrong.

In research funded by the National Science Foundation, Brian Enquist of the department of ecology and evolutionary biology at the University of Arizona and his team have discovered a secret in the trees: Hidden among and within the architecture of the branches are fundamental rules that link the size, shape, age and in fact everything about a single tree to all the trees in a forest.

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This rule or code reoccurs as the tree grows, creating a fractal – a repeating pattern – like a spiral of daughter branches emanating from the mother branch or tree trunk.

from:Trees as radiant energy collector

New model predicts maximum tree height across the US

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The model takes in basic meteorological data — such as average annual temperature, precipitation, humidity and solar radiation — and computes how tall a tree is likely to grow under those conditions. The concept sounds simple enough, but lead author Chris Kempes, a PhD student in MIT's Department of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences, says it took an understanding of plant mechanics, as well as fractal geometry, to accurately link tree height with meteorology.

last but not least:

DNA could act as an antenna in electromagnetic communications

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A theoretical physicist has presented research that shows bacteria might transmit electromagnetic signals to produce species-specific wavelengths.

According to research presented by Northeastern University physicist Allan Widom, based on existing knowledge of DNA and electrons, bacteria can indeed communicate.

Oh did I mention a fractal antenna is: a tuned LC circuit

hint: Multiple LCR resonance Circuits

MonsieurM · #**265** 08-07-2011, 01:13 PM

I would love to have your thoughts on the previous post

elias · #**266** 08-07-2011, 07:15 PM

David Wilcock points to some studies showing that DNA is a biological receiver of information from the fractal field of information emanating from source in his recent blog:
The Source Field Investigations -- Full Video!

MonsieurM · #**267** 08-07-2011, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by elias

David Wilcock points to some studies showing that DNA is a biological receiver of information from the fractal field of information emanating from source in his recent blog:
The Source Field Investigations -- Full Video!

It is not "a one way communication", It receives and emits see post http://www.energeticforum.com/136257-post20.html ...however the point i was trying to show is that if you read the previous post on tree is that a forest is a Multiple LCR resonance Circuits, learn from it and you'll have your resonance (and vice versa to turn a tree into radiant energy collector with Multiple LCR resonance Circuits )...

A Fractal set up to collect from a fractal universe....like DNA

Thank you elias for the info

MonsieurM · #**268** 08-08-2011, 10:19 PM

Check this thread out, i think Michael John Nunnerley

has shown us the missing piece of the puzzle

3D electromagnetic field

added image to post Trees as radiant energy collector

MonsieurM · #**269** 08-11-2011, 07:40 PM

guys, check out this doc posted by Darkanstormy:

Schaubergers Cosmic Egg

think of overlapping waves forming the egg:

MonsieurM · #**270** 08-11-2011, 09:05 PM

From: Tunning/Resonance as a universal theory

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Originally Posted by Armagdn03

This is not quite the case.

Two tuning forks, share each others energy. The problem with the situation lies in the fact that the reaction (what we call BEMF in electrical terms) from the pick up tuning fork is in phase with the source. Any work used on either fork has a reaction in phase with the source. I have seen this countless times electrically, and acoustically it works out in very much the same way, except that the inverse square law is modified. Look up inverse law for acoustic phenomenon)I can show the math behind this, and I have several demonstrations which talk about this.

What IS very interesting that the tuning forks will have a preferred distance from one another for power transfer. There will be a radial distance around the source of vibration which will constitute the point of maximum power transmission, and the greatest ratio between high coefficient of restitution (Q in electrical) and energy transferred.

This means that around a resonance point, there is a circle drawn around it that represents the best possible spot to place a receiver of the same tune, which will subsequently have its own circle drawn around it. If you want to use more than one receiver, then you must realize that each additional receiver has its OWN preferred distance, or radii, or circle drawn around it which represents its transmission points for all other receivers and the source. Placing all of the resonant structures at these points creates nifty geometric patterns, one of the most recognizable being a 6 pointed shape much like the star of David.

To see this happen,

1)draw a point, now draw a circle around it. This represents your resonant source, and its circle of preferred transmission.

2)Pick a point on the circle, this will represent your receiver, placed on the circle of preferred transmission. Because our receiver is resonantly the same as our source, it too will have a circle of preferred transmission, which is the same size as our source, meaning they will have circles of equal circumference.

3)Draw a circle around your reciever the same size as the circle from your source. Because they have the same radius, and each is a radius distance separation, the circumference of each cycle will touch the center of the other circle.

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/b...g?t=1309362664

Now if you want to add more receivers, they should all have preferred transmission points which intersect at logical geometric spaces, for example here are two receivers and one transmitter.

If you follow this geometric pattern around the transmitter, you will end up with 6 places where a receiver should be placed. If I were to draw this out with the transmitter and 6 receivers it would look like this...

Which brings photos like Edwin Muller photographs of cystaline elements atoms into perspective.

see also http://www.energeticforum.com/145859-post11.html