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Very interesting links Monsieur!



I'm trying to think of new things to try with my Earth battery - Im getting 3 and a half milliamps at the moment from 9 thin copper pipe offcuts (dads a retired plumber, so there are loads lying around - ill try some big ones soon and at greater depth) and a kilo of magnesium.

Im mentioning it to see if you had any suggestions for how I could incorporate a tree into the design.

Dad is gonna work on building me a copper pipe pyramid.....this is alternative science, so im up for alternative ideas on where to place it, and any modifications... Im thinking deep under the soil. So far, the deeper i go, the more milliamps i get - but i havent tried very deep yet, so maybe there is a point where the magnetic dip is reached, and the output just decreases after that.
Seth and thank you for joining the legion of F.R.E.E (Free Renewable Energy for Everyone )


give me a little time to think about it , in the meantime check this post out:

http://www.energeticforum.com/144158-post108.html

also if you know where the main water pipe is (see post http://www.energeticforum.com/142700-post67.html) you could try your earth battery on top of it and see what it those

, let me know if you need more info...
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Seth,

if you want to do a quick experiment, you could try this , but you'll need enough wire

instead of hooking it up to a receiver, try hooking it up to your earth battery, the more we experience, the more we will know what works and what does not

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I'd be curious to know if you do the same set as proposed by Wilbur Smith, but instead of a ferrite core, braid the wire around a tree and hook it up to a receiver:



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We were told about a system which uses a radio transmitter as an energy source but a special antenna converter, which radiates doughnut-shaped waves, which are not time functions. We built a couple and find they have the most extraordinary properties. If you wish you could build a unit and try to establish a circuit to our group here in Ottawa. Following are the construction instructions.

One ferrite core (One Tree ), material with the highest permeability (see http://www.energeticforum.com/142700-post67.html )and dielectric constant (water in tree), about 8 inches to a foot long, and about 1 inch in diameter. About 20 feet of plastic insulated #14 electric house wire. Starting at the center of the wire and at one end of the core wind on the wire as closely as possible, with the first turn under and then over, so that the winding will be exactly symmetrical. It will start at one end of the core and finish at the other end and will resemble a solenoid with a bifilar winding. It is important that the winding be exactly symmetrical.

When connected to a transmitter, treat it as any normal antenna for loading and tuning. There will be a few points of magnetic domain resonance which will be lossy but anywhere else the device will generate the required waves. It will not matter whether or not the antenna converter is shielded as the doughnut waves go through anything. The most remarkable property of this system is that the waves can be directly MENTALLY...

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Wow!

Ive just tried Lasersabers ''Barber pole'' battery. I'm getting 5 milliamps now ive left it for a while. Hopefully I'll be able to double the voltage by putting it in series with another one, and then maybe I can make some other stuff light up. Still aiming for a CFL

The barber pole is just a carbon welding rod (copper coated) with a layer of cotton (old t-shirt) and magnesium ribbon wrapped round it like a solenoid. Im burying them slightly off the horizontal as I wanted them pointing to the magnetic dip.
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have you tried wet ground vs dry ground

you could test that in two pots, one dry the other wet
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Ah, that would be a good way of discovering the potential energy

Here's a mental image for MonsieurM....picture a Tesla coil with the huge sparks flying off out of the top of the coil. Snapshot the image in your mind and place over the top a tree trunk and leaves onto the HV spikes

If you have the space Seth, chaining up a few of those barber poles should net enough current to fire up one of your Tesla coils (on a Slayer type circuit). You'd then get your CFL lit.
I've had a mini tower runinng from solar before now and if you use say a C1213 or similar high hFE low saturation transistor you'll fire her up on a volt. Just a case then of increasing battery count, up to the point that the CFL begins to light. Twirly energy saver bulbs sometimes work best when held upside down about an inch from the top of a mini coil...such that you can see where you're going with the voltage needs for brighter, literally.

To incorporate trees, I have wondered for some time about what may be termed pinging, first tree transmits, other tree bounces back the energy, yet increased due to the child on a swing analogy. The switching time of the transistor being the time interval that creates the push effect of the swing, rather than an immediate bounce back again. In such a case, the first tree is the sender Tesla tower (roots being Ground and trunk being tower), the receiver tree is resonant with it. Trimming the tree trims the frequency to match the first tree.
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Ah, that would be a good way of discovering the potential energy

Here's a mental image for MonsieurM....picture a Tesla coil with the huge sparks flying off out of the top of the coil. Snapshot the image in your mind and place over the top a tree trunk and leaves onto the HV spikes

If you have the space Seth, chaining up a few of those barber poles should net enough current to fire up one of your Tesla coils (on a Slayer type circuit). You'd then get your CFL lit.
I've had a mini tower runinng from solar before now and if you use say a C1213 or similar high hFE low saturation transistor you'll fire her up on a volt. Just a case then of increasing battery count, up to the point that the CFL begins to light. Twirly energy saver bulbs sometimes work best when held upside down about an inch from the top of a mini coil...such that you can see where you're going with the voltage needs for brighter, literally.

To incorporate trees (fractal pattern ), I have wondered for some time about what may be termed pinging, first tree transmits, other tree bounces back the energy, yet increased due to the child on a swing analogy(exponential function ). The switching time (cycle)of the transistor being the time interval that creates the push effect of the swing, rather than an immediate bounce back again. In such a case, the first tree is the sender Tesla tower (roots being Ground and trunk being tower), the receiver tree is resonant with it. Trimming the tree trims the frequency to match the first tree.
If I May put it in other words:

If you want to understand the world as a system then you need to investigate three key components.

Cycles your 3
Fractal patterns your 6
Exponential functions your 9




If you only knew the magnificence of the 3, 6 and 9, then you would have a key to the universe.
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Electromagnetic Wave Localization in Photonic Fractals


http://www.jwri.osaka-u.ac.jp/public...scp-takema.pdf

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Fractal structures have no periodicity and no translational symmetry like crystal structures.
remember Walter Russell's Law of Crystallization (Harvesting Energy From the Sun Using Crystals)
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Wow!

Ive just tried Lasersabers ''Barber pole'' battery. I'm getting 5 milliamps now ive left it for a while. Hopefully I'll be able to double the voltage by putting it in series with another one, and then maybe I can make some other stuff light up. Still aiming for a CFL

The barber pole is just a carbon welding rod (copper coated) with a layer of cotton (old t-shirt) and magnesium ribbon wrapped round it like a solenoid. Im burying them slightly off the horizontal as I wanted them pointing to the magnetic dip.
It seems also important to note that positioning the earth battery following the cardinal points also play a non negligent role in obtaining higher voltage.

now that i think about it, isn't there moss/ mushroom that grows on a tree and follows a certain cardinal point...

going to have to research that...I think that another clue on how to turn a tree into a radiant antenna may be found in researching how other plant create a symbiotic relationship with a tree...these plants (according to all I've said before ) are also adaptive fractal antennas, just that they "coupled" with the tree , being a larger antenna , to draw energy.

just observe and study what grows on and around a tree

Nature has so much to teach us, I have to say that the more i search, the more i find myself dumbfounded by the beauty of the natural process...
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Isn't that what we are trying to do, all of us (replication of Tesla,Morey,etc...)? To create a symbiotic relationship with nature to draw the energy we need. Isn't that much more efficient that the "heat, beat and treat" Approach

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Seth , how goes your experimentation with the earth battery ?
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interesting news with interesting antenna design:

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doesn't it resemble this:



and a profile view of this:



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this here is a complement reading for those that want to understand how earth system is fractal.....

Fractal Behaviour of the Earth System [Hardcover]
V.P. Dimri


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The book fills a gap in the steadily expanding field of applying fractals to the earth science system. In this book the concept of fractal-scaling is applied to a variety of geophysical problems, illustrating what scaling laws really tell us and how they can used to solve various geophysical problems. Keeping in mind the broad range of readers interested in understanding earth’s nonlinear dynamics, the authors address diverse recent advances related to fractals and scaling. These include broad applications of fractal theory in potential field methods, electrical and electromagnetic methods, geothermics and seismology, written by a panel of internationally known earth scientists from around the globe.
Amazon.com: Fractal Behaviour of the Earth System (9783540265320): V.P. Dimri: Books


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A Random Walk Through Fractal Dimensions by Brian H. Kaye

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Fractal geometry is revolutionizing the descriptive mathematics of applied materials systems. Rather than presenting a mathematical treatise, Brian Kaye demonstrates the descriptive power of fractal geometry in describing materials ranging from Swiss cheese to pyrolytic graphite. The second edition of this successful book provides important literature coverage of the use of fractal geometry in all areas of science
Amazon.com: A Random Walk Through Fractal Dimensions (9783527290789): Brian H. Kaye: Books

a classic reading for all Fractal enthusiast:

The Fractal Geometry of Nature [Hardcover]
Benoit B. Mandelbrot


Amazon.com: The Fractal Geometry of Nature (9780716711865): Benoit B. Mandelbrot: Books

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side note::

Found this very cool website on DIY tesla coil project, they even made a plasma gun out of it

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MonsieurM and Gene, Thanks for the information on the ormus and the fractals. Tesla did a lot research and experiments into sound and vibrations. Below are just a few quotes by him. I think we have over-looked the main operating principals in some of his devices, which is sound and vibrations.

]Tesla Sees Evidence Radio and Light Are Sound[/URL] (Page 2)
thank you gravityblock for this info:

this is exactly what i've been trying to point out and i truly believe that he understood that sound is just a "first dimension fractal " of the other electromagnetic waves (remember the universe is fractal )...meaning that all electromagnetic waves are fractally connected to each other. and the link connecting them is vibration frequency

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"I consider this extremely important," said Mr. Tesla. "Light cannot be anything else but a longitudinal disturbance in the ether, involving alternate compressions and rarefactions. In other words, light can be nothing else than a sound wave in the ether."

"a first degree fractal" design" (vertical figure) (this is just an illustration of what i just said )



as above so below...again

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or the electromagnetic spectrum is also a Fractal/Constructal system

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One thing I keep coming back to within all the great research you are posting...is about thoughts on forests.
All those 1/4 wave transmissions and receptions going on ! Bunched up they may seem to be, but the germination and actual placements of each tree, their success or failure at exact points on the forest floor, may be due more to resonance than the luck of where a seed may land.
If that were the case, then the expectation would be linear grids of uniform distance all across the forest. However, every tree constructs slightly differently, soil conditions are a factor, some have to deal with placements like the apple tree above, some are on uneven ground. Perhaps, therefore, that's why a forest does not have the appearance of a conventional grid system and yet may work as one - like a closed loop self runner always aiming for a COP > 1 hehe.
I haven't made a Starship coil yet, but if you look at one, the energy lines cross each other, creating impressive grid lines of conductivity. Does a forest work in the same way ?
check out post# 76: http://www.energeticforum.com/143116-post76.html

Fractal Landscapes
Generating Random Fractal Terrain
Self-contacting Symmetric Fractal Trees and the Golden Ratio


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The fractal proportions of a single tree have been scientifically proven to mirror the distribution of trees in the entire forest. The implication is one of mutual support between all naturally evolved entities within a given ecosystem.
"Patterns of Nature" Sacred geometry, Phi, Fibonacci Number

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two formula that are essential and i think key to all our research:

the fractal Weyl law for resonances, and

fractal resonance wavefunctions.

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Fractal resonance is the cause and Spacial resonance is the effect
see: http://www.energeticforum.com/144797-post48.html

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from a better way to present the periodic table

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thanks, I'm reading it.
check this too: Amazon.com: The Cosmic Octave: Origin of Harmony, Planets, Tones, Colors, the Power of Inherent Vibrations (9780940795204): Cousto: Books

About the picture of "a better..." maybe the geometries of the chemical elements are related to "cymatics". A combination of longitudinal frequencies can create complex geometries and structures. Remember that each chemical has its own "scalar signature". That means, a multi-frequency pattern of electric fields.
i 'll refer you to this thread: Using Cymatics to visualise electric phenomena?

i did a research on magic square and ended up in a site, hold and behold, talking about fractals in nature

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Another source of transcendent proportion is based upon an arrangement of numerials within adjoining squares such that their total adds to the same value in each column; vertically, horizontally and diagonally.
"Patterns of Nature" Sacred geometry, Phi, Fibonacci Number




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A combination of longitudinal frequencies can create complex geometries and structures. Remember that each chemical has its own "scalar signature".
Indeed, As i mention in all my post, in layman terms "everything is fractal", considering this simple statement, you would imagine that behind every apparent law that controls the universe are just an effect example:spatial resonance, lies the true cause: ie Fractal Resonance.

see also: Harvesting Energy From the Sun Using Crystals

Now let's consider this the electromagnetic spectrum is also a Fractal/Constructal system





in that case it should obey the same law as all fractal/constructal system:

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The constructal law puts forth the idea that the generation of design (configuration, pattern, geometry) in nature is a physics phenomenon that unites all animate and inanimate systems, and that this phenomenon is covered by the Constructal Law stated by Adrian Bejan in 1996: "For a finite-size (flow) system to persist in time (to live), its configuration must evolve such that it provides easier access to the imposed currents that flow through it."
in other words, it should obey the


E=M3/4

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It is called Kleiber's Law.

It states that the energy needed by an organism at rest (not doing any specific exercise), is not proportional to its mass, but sub-linear.

It can be attributed to many factors and one of them is that the more massive an organism/element/wave is, the less surface per volume it present. If the organism is represented par a sphere of diameter D, volume scale with D^3, but surface scales with D^2. But energy produced by the body is proportional to volume, while energy lost is proportional to external surface.

To sum up, a little body loose a lot of heat and its little body can not sustain it. Therefore there is a lower limit to the size of hot blooded animals, which is bigger than the one for cold blooded ones.
watch this video

YouTube - ‪Fractals: frequency, the heart, and cancer‬‏

the same holds true for the table of Elements

see post#23 http://www.energeticforum.com/147095-post23.html
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one more info, which is of great importance, i know you guys would agree with me :

Water on the Sun?



Water Found on Sun

note: meet your coil/fractal antenna to harvest sun energy and it also confirms why:


and it does make sense when i read post #58 written by sucahyo , with just one minor detail i would change, it is not electricity the true cause that triggers the change in the trees but the water present in it reacting to water present in the sun:



http://www.energeticforum.com/142497-post58.html


Just to show you that i was not the first one to think of this concept:



one last for the road: guess what is toroidal and is dependent on the sun's rotation:

Heliospheric current sheet:





and don't forget the presence of water in the sun and you have your Cosmic Water Coil capacitor, containing your earth water coil, containing your tree water coil, and so on (sounds fractal, no?)

If you want to understand the world as a system then you need to investigate three key components.

Cycles your 3
Fractal patterns your 6
Exponential functions your 9
;the smaller you get (on the cosmic scale), the bigger the voltage , this is your exponential function
[B][U]


If you only knew the magnificence of the 3, 6 and 9, then you would have a key to the universe.
— Nikola Tesla:



Heliosphere - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

from quantum agriculture (see below)





any thoughts on what i have posted so far


heehee, enjoy
Solar Wind Changes Atmospheric Pressure Over South Korea - Technology Review

Solar Wind Changes Atmospheric Pressure Over South Korea

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Evidence is growing that interplanetary magnetic fields can have a significant influence on our weather
see post #37: http://www.energeticforum.com/138939-post37.html

Henrik Svensmark - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


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His work presents hypotheses about solar activity as an indirect cause of global warming; his research has suggested a possible link through the interaction of the solar wind and cosmic rays. His conclusions have been controversial as the prevailing scientific opinion on climate change considers solar activity unlikely to be a major contributor to recent warming, though it is thought to be the primary driver of many earlier changes in climate. Henrik Svensmark

Global distribution of atmospheric water:



The Water Cycle: Water Storage in the Atmosphere, from USGS Water Science for Schools
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Fractal Landscapes
Generating Random Fractal Terrain
Self-contacting Symmetric Fractal Trees and the Golden Ratio


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The fractal proportions of a single tree have been scientifically proven to mirror the distribution of trees in the entire forest. The implication is one of mutual support between all naturally evolved entities within a given ecosystem.
"Patterns of Nature" Sacred geometry, Phi, Fibonacci Number

in other words a tree is fractal antenna within a larger fractal antenna (the forest)

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Trees as radiant energy collector


and Vedic Science seems to agree with me

watch this 9 min doc....

‪Greatness Of The Vedic Vedas Knowledge Perfect Science Part 3 of 6‬‏ - YouTube
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BTW: when you watch the above doc, i would like you to remember two things:

As above so Below

and the Moe-Joe Cell
(see http://www.energeticforum.com/144797-post48.html )

ps: there is a diagram being talked about (at 3:00 min ) i think it is worth exploring it with Tesla in mind

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A combination of longitudinal frequencies can create complex geometries and structures. Remember that each chemical has its own "scalar signature".
Indeed, As i mention in all my post, in layman terms "everything is fractal", considering this simple statement, you would imagine that behind every apparent law that controls the universe are just an effect example:spatial resonance, lies the true cause: ie Fractal Resonance.
a better way of saying it is "everything is fractal", considering this simple statement, you would imagine that [B]behind every apparent law that controls the universe is a fractal/constructal system

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I posted this a while back but it looks like a essential info in the quest of understanding

http://www.energeticforum.com/144952-post53.html

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From the info I have posted so far (and if you do a little research ), you 'll see that there is a trend that appears, and that is for every fractal structure you have seen in nature/universe, the presence of water comes hand in hand
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opened a new thread to explore the application of fractal in society also known as socionomics ( or The Wave Principle of Human Social Behavior )

A Fractal Application to society

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Please could someone DRAW a BIG 3 6 and 9 for me I will show you something
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in other words Fractal Systems are the Universe's Hidden Engine
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If you only knew the magnificence of the 3, 6 and 9
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Now you should see it ,right ?

It has no meaning except shape.... look at shape....
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Wyniki Szukania w Grafice Google dla http://www.educate-yourself.org/dc/IM2011coils%20321.jpg


6 and 9 are pancake coil in opposite directions
3 is a center tapped coil


Tesla said that in those SHAPES is encoded key to Universe, meaning to every force in nature.
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