Trees as radiant energy collector

MonsieurM · #**271** (**permalink**) 08-14-2011, 02:12 PM

just transferring some relevant info to our subject:

Electricity collected from the air could become the newest alternative energy source

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Imagine devices that capture electricity from the air ― much like solar cells capture sunlight ― and using them to light a house or recharge an electric car. Imagine using similar panels on the rooftops of buildings to prevent lightning before it forms. Strange as it may sound, scientists already are in the early stages of developing such devices, according to a report presented today at the 240th National Meeting of the American Chemical Society (ACS).

they have a 100 years delay

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The notion of harnessing the power of electricity formed naturally has tantalized scientists for centuries. They noticed that sparks of static electricity formed as steam escaped from boilers. Workers who touched the steam even got painful electrical shocks. Famed inventor Nikola Tesla, for example, was among those who dreamed of capturing and using electricity from the air. It's the electricity formed, for instance, when water vapor collects on microscopic particles of dust and other material in the air. But until now, scientists lacked adequate knowledge about the processes involved in formation and release of electricity from water in the atmosphere, Galembeck said. He is with the University of Campinas in Campinas, SP, Brazil....
Scientists once believed that water droplets in the atmosphere were electrically neutral, and remained so even after coming into contact with the electrical charges on dust particles and droplets of other liquids. But new evidence suggested that water in the atmosphere really does pick up an electrical charge.

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Galembeck and colleagues confirmed that idea, using laboratory experiments that simulated water's contact with dust particles in the air. They used tiny particles of silica and aluminum phosphate, both common airborne substances, showing that silica became more negatively charged in the presence of high humidity and aluminum phosphate became more positively charged.

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"This was clear evidence that water in the atmosphere can accumulate electrical charges and transfer them to other materials it comes into contact with," Galembeck explained. "We are calling this 'hygroelectricity,' meaning 'humidity electricity'."

so we converge towards a hydro-magnetic dynamo

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read page 5 of this thread starting from post 141 onward

How to build a water coil

a little comment i made on Tesla's set up:

How to build a water coil

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note: temperature difference plays a role in the electric charging and transfer of potential (liquid to ice )

Explained: Thermoelectricity

An unexpected clue to thermopower efficiency (EH antenna )

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see also Electro-Culture

it also takes me back to tree as radiant antenna :

Tree in fog, Central Otago - YouTube

Timelapse: Indian Heaven Wilderness, WA on Vimeo

and this post also: Trees as radiant energy collector

MonsieurM · #**272** (**permalink**) 08-14-2011, 02:31 PM

I would like you to read this article like an analogy to capture radiant (whatever you want to call it

), and i have been saying this for quite a while

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Here's looking at dew: spiders snare water from the air

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In a paper published in the journal Nature on Wednesday, Chinese scientists report on why spider's silk is not only famous for strength but also terrific for collecting water from the air, sparing the creature a hunt for a drink.

The secret, revealed by scanning electron microscope, lies in the silk's tail-shaped protein fibres which change structure in response to water.

Once in contact with humidity, tiny sections of the thread scrunge up into knots, whose randomly arranged nano-fibres provide a roughly, knobbly texture.

In between these "spindle knots" are joints, which are smooth and slender, comprising neatly aligned fibres.

noeladdison · #**273** (**permalink**) 08-17-2011, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by MonsieurM

I was wondering if you guys thought of experimenting with trees as radiant collector:

i posted this in another thread but i figured it was worth having its own thread:

allow me to quote my post:

I really do hope you find this interesting enough to explore and experiment.

Wow! I am looking forward to the development of this technology. I didn't know that trees can be used as radiant collector.

MonsieurM · #**274** (**permalink**) 08-19-2011, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MonsieurM

While doing some research, i found this drawing made by Viktor Schauberger:

and it looked very familiar until i remembered this type of radiation graph:

, and guess where i found it

Achieving Antenna Isolation Within Wireless Systems

Welcome - Microwave design articles, applications, and high-frequency design techniques for microwave and wireless engineer

so maybe this is the radiation graph we should get when optimally using a tree as radiant antenna:

Check out this application , the software is free (Wolfram the Computable Document Format ):

Wolfram Demonstrations Project

Wolfram Demonstrations Project

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Legendre polynomials are solutions to the Legendre differential equation, which is a form of Laplace's equation in spherical coordinates. These forms commonly occur in antenna patterns and electron orbitals, among others.

Antenna search results

Search Results - antenna - Wolfram Demonstrations Project

MonsieurM · #**275** (**permalink**) 08-19-2011, 08:40 PM

13-Year-Old Makes Solar Power Breakthrough by Harnessing the Fibonacci Sequence | Inhabitat - Green Design Will Save the World

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While most 13-year-olds spend their free time playing video games or cruising Facebook, one 7th grader was trekking through the woods uncovering a mystery of science. After studying how trees branch in a very specific way, Aidan Dwyer created a solar cell tree that produces 20-50% more power than a uniform array of photovoltaic panels. His impressive results show that using a specific formula for distributing solar cells can drastically improve energy generation. The study earned Aidan a provisional U.S patent - it's a rare find in the field of technology and a fantastic example of how biomimicry can drastically improve design

MonsieurM · #**276** (**permalink**) 08-24-2011, 06:45 PM

This is probably one of my favorite moments,when you find a nugget....

i found this info here: (the cosmic egg )

Method & Apparatus for Splitting Water Molecules Dr. Andrija Puharich M.D

Method and apparatus for splitting ... - Google Patents

and Schauberger's Cosmic Egg

wow

MonsieurM · #**277** (**permalink**) 09-05-2011, 09:49 PM

Agricultural homeopathy

The use of homeopathic remedies for raising crops.

Scientific Research: Plant Studies

Scientific Research: Plant Studies | Avilian

MonsieurM · #**278** (**permalink**) 09-12-2011, 10:03 PM

been a long time

here you will find out the role played by water

from:The Legacy of Marcel Vogel

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Marcel Joseph Vogel (1917 - 1991) was a research scientist for IBM’s San Jose facility for 27 years. He received numerous patents for his inventions during this time. Among these was the magnetic coating for the 24” hard disc drive systems still in use. His areas of expertise were phosphor technology, liquid crystal systems, luminescence, and magnetics.

In the 1970’s Marcel did pioneering work in man-plant communication experiments. This led him to the study of quartz crystals and the creation of a faceted crystal that is now known as the Vogel-cut® crystal. The Vogel-cut® crystal is an instrument that serves to store, amplify, convert, and cohere subtle energies.

Marcel’s research into the therapeutic application of quartz crystals led him to the investigation of the relationship between crystals and water. He discovered that he could structure water by spinning it around a tuned crystal, altering many of the characteristics of the water and converting it into an information storage system.

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He was able to duplicate the Backster effect of using plants as transducers for bio-energetic fields that the human mind releases, demonstrating that plants respond to thought. He used split leaf philodendrons connected to a Wheatstone Bridge that would compare a known resistance to an unknown resistance. He learned that when he released his breath slowly there was virtually no response from the plant. When he pulsed his breath through the nostrils, as he held a thought in mind, the plant would respond dramatically. It was also found that these fields, linked to the action of breath and thought, do not have a significant time domain to them. The responsiveness of the plants to thought was also the same whether eight inches away, eight feet, or eight thousand miles! Based on the results of the experiments the inverse square law does not apply to thought. This was the beginning of Marcel’s transformation from being a purely rational scientist to becoming a spiritual or mystical scientist.

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Basically it was found that plants respond more to the thought of being cut, burned, or torn than to the actual act. He discovered that if he tore a leaf from one plant a second plant would respond, but only if he was paying attention to it. The plants seemed to be mirroring his own mental responses. He concluded that the plants were acting like batteries, storing the energy of his thoughts and intentions. He said of these experiments: “I learned that there is energy connected with thought. Thought can be pulsed and the energy connected with it becomes coherent and has a laser-like power

Slider2732 · #**279** (**permalink**) 09-12-2011, 10:31 PM

24" hard drives !

Our antique in my first job was a DEC PDP-11, solely used for the Accounts department...monster of a thing that was very cool. It didn't have HDD's of any type, it was the sci-fi film spinny reels of tape method and I had to wheel a trolly of these tapes to an outside storage each evening (Grandfather/Father/Son system)

Anyone ever wonder about the significance of all those banks of lights that randomly flashed in such films ? it used to bother me as a kid lol, no point at all to them except to look pretty on film and...there we had the reason.

Tripped over this last night on YouTube - look from around 3:07min

Apologies if posted before...such tree structures growing via an electrical stimulus are quite fascinating.

Grow Silver Metal Crystals by Electrochemistry - YouTube

MonsieurM · #**280** (**permalink**) 09-12-2011, 10:32 PM

Slider, good to read you again

and wow on the vid...check out this post...might make you ponder a little

The Brain is an Advanced Fractal Antenna

Slider2732 · #**281** (**permalink**) 09-14-2011, 02:05 AM

Oh don't worry, I aint going anywhere

The thing is, yes, water being such a key player here. It relates to the Bedini Earth Light thread, where the crystal properties of water 'may' factor outside of purely galvanic reactions in batteries.
As in the video I linked to, such processes may be appearing in crystal cell batteries....one thing is for sure, if a cell is polarized and hardens up etc, then a knock or break in the structure can easily send some cells to zero output. There could well be tree like links, neural network paths, within crystal batteries

We have trees in our heads

^ yes, that does appear very strange now that it's written down.

MonsieurM · #**282** (**permalink**) 09-14-2011, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Slider2732

Oh don't worry, I aint going anywhere

The thing is, yes, water being such a key player here. It relates to the Bedini Earth Light thread, where the crystal properties of water 'may' factor outside of purely galvanic reactions in batteries.
As in the video I linked to, such processes may be appearing in crystal cell batteries....one thing is for sure, if a cell is polarized and hardens up etc, then a knock or break in the structure can easily send some cells to zero output. There could well be tree like links, neural network paths, within crystal batteries

We have trees in our heads

^ yes, that does appear very strange now that it's written down.

I'll raise you with one more bit of strangeness, based on what you posted, you could also say our brain is a Crystal Cell with its own crystalline connections

petar113507 · #**283** (**permalink**) 09-15-2011, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by MonsieurM

I'll raise you with one more bit of strangeness, based on what you posted, you could also say our brain is a Crystal Cell with its own crystalline connections

I'll see your raise, with a story.

I noticed when walking through the forest yesterday, that there was an ominous, awe-inspiring sensed "tingle" around my spine when walking amongst 100 foot redwood trees.

I saw a collapsed redwood tree -- an antennae, no longer in use. It decayed, and was being eaten apart by insects, and was reduced to the same composite that the forest floor was made of.

Don't our brains work the same way? "use it or lose it" (recalling sensed memories, having certain mental functions, even our bodies MUSCLES) Even those muscles are attached to little neural "trees" branching out to manipulate movement. Don't our own cells take apart the unused cells into the same nutrient/blood soup for re purposing to be used in our bodies?

After reading about marcus vogel and the (the other link about the alchemy of water) liquid crystaline phase shift of water, I became much more interested in the intelligence of the trees. I also was floored that I seem to have been looking for the same "truth" -- yet was not able to articulate it as finely.

As I was walking, I asked --Why did I have these thoughts in the silence of the trees? Well, I didn't ask that question out loud -- I didn't even think of that question in words. I "felt" the question.

Allow me to explain myself, so that there is no confusion as to what I mean.

Before you form words, you have a precursor impression which is a feeling -- your abillity to exact (translate) that feeling impression into words seems to be directly related to a region of your brain which possesses a function as a "language drive". Before you form a question into words -- even if you have already formed a question into words -- you can "backtrack" the words into their primary "impression". (I think that impression/feeling is a desire or want to perform a function of some sort)

Backtracking that question from words into desire, I desired to ask why it was amongst the [neutral] stillness of the trees which provoked the realization of a mechanism present in the "macro and micro". It was oddly apparent, and I was quite suprized I had not seen it before, even sooner. It seemed to simply show itself to me.

(Holy wow this stuff is cool)

Several moments later after that desire subsided, I received several "pictures", which I feel was a response.

If I had my arms outstreched like the trees -- The nervous systems present in my hands and arms would be very similar to their branches and leaves -- connected to my spinal cord (the trunk). Zooming into the highest tip of the tree on the mountain, I could see the many small leaves branching out. Zooming into the brain -- I also saw many "leaves".

I get pictures, or "synchronicities" whenever I inhale slowly and deeply -- quiet my thoughts, and use a "precursor" to words -- desire. Desire does not ocurr in the brain as thinking -- but first in the body.

I am not yet as fluid in conveying my insights as you, MM -- but I will try my best.

Imagine that we could change the tree trunk length/height, wouldn't that also change the frequency it was receiving?
What are we doing with our "tree trunk" when we desire to know something?
Doesn't that "tree trunk" change what how the "top leaves" grow? (neurons in the brain)

What if we are playful, happy, and curious in our desire -- like a child is? (don't children grow, and learn very fast?

)

What if enough people were to wordlessly desire to effect a change in the world?

What sort of thoughts would be produced as the response to that desire?

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"As above, so below"

Perhaps My body was just a nested antennae, amongst larger antennae. Could it be they "helped" me receive a different frequency by intercepting the carrier wave of that information?

Turning your body into a liquid (water) crystal antennae, seems to be the way to go, in order to "crystalize" your thoughts, or receive more complex frequencies -- and to translate them into words in their exact meaning.

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"Crystals are a record in form of the potential which produced them" -- Walter Russell

What sort of thoughts have we already crystallized, merely by thinking? How does that recorded potential (of the thought) affect the aggregate vibration of ALL mankind's thoughts? (As within, so without)

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A single thought can change everything.

It would seem, that if you could control your own thoughts -- you could sympathetically induce similar thoughts in surrounding humans. It seems the greatest control -- is self control. If you could couple self control, with an exact understanding of your surrounding environment -- you could "control" or affect your environment greatly.

Reflecting,
==Romo

MonsieurM · #**284** (**permalink**) 09-15-2011, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by petar113507

It would seem, that if you could control your own thoughts -- you could sympathetically induce similar thoughts in surrounding humans. It seems the greatest control -- is self control. If you could couple self control, with an exact understanding of your surrounding environment -- you could "control" or affect your environment greatly.

Reflecting,
==Romo

Thank you petar113507

, I really appreciated your story

, and trust me i would not have been able to express myself as well as you have done in this post....

ps: You are already doing it...by just sharing what is within with the without

Change is like the golden mean; (1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, ..)

it starts with 1 person...then 2.....3......5.....8.....13.....etc

it always starts with one...meaning it always starts with your inner self first (your first one)...then to your outer self (the second one )

MonsieurM · #**285** (**permalink**) 09-16-2011, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by boguslaw

Thanks

Now you should see it ,right ?

It has no meaning except shape.... look at shape....

Boguslaw

, my friend, you were right on the money:

remember how you build a rodin coil and the 369 picture will make total sense

IndianaBoys · #**286** (**permalink**) 09-17-2011, 12:32 AM

MonsieurM,

Came across a site that qued me up to post this.

The above effect was produced in the vacuum of space.

Not sure if you are intending to put your device in a vacuum?

Jochen's High Voltage Page : Plasma Jar

For the following two pictures, the sharp electrode was fed by a 20kHz, 20kV flyback, while the lid was not connected. While at normal atmospheric pressure, corona is barely visible, the pictures show that with decreasing pressure, the plasma region grows and fills a large fraction of the jar at the lowest possible pressure.

Corona on the sharp wire electrode at medium (left) and lowest possible (right) pressure.

IndianaBoys

MonsieurM · #**287** (**permalink**) 09-17-2011, 12:41 AM

IndianaBoys, good to read you

I was just trying to show the pattern and the fact that it exists on different planes (like the golden mean )

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Yin and Yang in Chinese Mythology
The Pangu* legend
In the beginning there was nothing in the universe except a formless chaos. The chaos began to coalesce into a cosmic egg for eighteen thousand years. Within it, the perfectly opposed principles of yin and yang became balanced and Pangu, emerged from the egg.

MonsieurM · #**288** (**permalink**) 12-07-2011, 01:52 PM

More Evidence Found for Quantum Physics in Photosynthesis | Wired Science | Wired.com

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Physicists have found the strongest evidence yet of quantum effects fueling photosynthesis.

Multiple experiments in recent years have suggested as much, but it’s been hard to be sure. Quantum effects were clearly present in the light-harvesting antenna proteins of plant cells, but their precise role in processing incoming photons remained unclear.

In an experiment published Dec. 6 in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, a connection between coherence — far-flung molecules interacting as one, separated by space but not time — and energy flow is established.

“There was a smoking gun before,” said study co-author Greg Engel of the University of Chicago. “Here we can watch the relationship between coherence and energy transfer. This is the first paper showing that coherence affects the probability of transport. It really does change the chemical dynamics.”

The new findings are the latest in a series that have, piece by piece, promised to expand scientific understanding of photosynthesis, one of life’s fundamental processes. Until a few years ago, it seemed a straightforward piece of chemistry.

Then came observations of coherence in antenna-protein chlorophylls from green sulfur bacteria. The chlorophylls, though scattered throughout the antenna protein, vibrated in interlocking harmony far longer than anyone expected, long enough to hint at functional role. Those observations were, however, made at unrealistically ultracold temperatures; then they were made at room temperatures, and in antenna proteins found in plants everywhere.

shem · #**289** (**permalink**) 07-23-2012, 10:07 PM

Thanks for the rex research link. But the tree theories; are what really interesting to me. Do you know, any direct books;or research papers where you got this information from? For me, I have to make contact with a chosen tree many times. Before I can feel the energy becoming from it. It differently ranges from tree to tree and if I can calm my Center nervous system to feel the effect. Before, I gain a connection to the choose tree. I feel, that my hearing is height during my per longed time with the tree as well. Which I believe it related to my attention. I chant, until my random thoughts go away. I concentrate on the plant and direct my hands it the warm spots. I don't see anything or Hear anything. From reading neurology books. I believe it is at aspect of my stereognosis pathways.

MonsieurM · #**290** (**permalink**) 09-25-2012, 04:33 PM

3-D time-lapse imaging captures twisted plant root mechanics for first time (w/ Video)

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Using an advanced 3-D time-lapse imaging system, a group of physicists and plant biologists from Cornell University and the Boyce Thompson Institute for Plant Research have discovered how certain plant roots exhibit powerful mechanical abilities while navigating their environment.

Spiraling root growth - YouTube

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Originally Posted by MonsieurM

13-Year-Old Makes Solar Power Breakthrough by Harnessing the Fibonacci Sequence | Inhabitat - Green Design Will Save the World

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While most 13-year-olds spend their free time playing video games or cruising Facebook, one 7th grader was trekking through the woods uncovering a mystery of science. After studying how trees branch in a very specific way, Aidan Dwyer created a solar cell tree that produces 20-50% more power than a uniform array of photovoltaic panels. His impressive results show that using a specific formula for distributing solar cells can drastically improve energy generation. The study earned Aidan a provisional U.S patent - it's a rare find in the field of technology and a fantastic example of how biomimicry can drastically improve design

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Michelinho · #**291** (**permalink**) 09-26-2012, 04:38 AM

Hi all,

The use of trees as antena is not new and it is not only for collecting radiant energy.

According to an article in The Electrical Experimenter (1919 07 July G-Book_PA12C4)_XT (Google Book. It was selling for $5.00 3 or 4 years ago) titled "Talking thru the trees" and writen by Major-General George O. Squier Chief Signal Officer, US Army who started experimenting in 1904 on how one can use growing trees as reception antenna. When a drought and peculiar soil condition prevented the telegraph and the Army buzzer telephone from working he then found that they became operative when connected to a metallic nail driven in the trunk or roots of a tree. It is only 2 pages in the monthly magazine the second one filled with 8 illustrations.

You can find many Electrical Experimenter's magazines at archive.org for free:
Internet Archive Search: Electrical Experimenter
but not the 7 July 1919 and 16 others only in Google Books as far as I know.

Take care,

Michel

MonsieurM · #**292** (**permalink**) 09-26-2012, 09:56 AM

Thank you Michelinho for the info ..... if i may add to it from a previous post : Trees as radiant energy collector

[quote]George O. SQUIER: Tree Antennas
George O. Squier ~ Trees as Antennas ( Scientific American, June 14, 1919 & British Patent Specification # 149,917)

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It is not a joke nor a scientific curiosity, this strange discovery of Gen. George O. Squire, Chief Signal Officer, that trees --- all trees, of all kinds and all heights, growing anywhere --- are nature's own wireless towers and antenna combined. The matter first came to his attention in 1904, through the use of trees as grounds for Army buzzer and telegraph and telephone sets, which, in perfectly dry ground and in a dry season, functioned poorly or not at all with ordinary grounds. Right then he began experiments with a view to seeing what possibilities, if any, the tree had as an aerial. But in 1904 radiotelegraphy was far more undeveloped than at present, and vacuum amplifying tubes were not thought of.

The New “Power Plants”: Trees Make Electricity?

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It appears that a small electrical component company near Boston has figured out how to get electricity out of trees. MagCap Engineering is pretty sure they’ve come up on the next renewable energy revolution. By pounding a nail into the trunk and a conductor into the ground, a faint but consistent charge is detected in a wire running from the tree to the earth.

The New â€œPower Plantsâ€�: Trees Make Electricity? : TreeHugger

using a Joule Thief circuit ( Joule thief - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ) on a tree may show some surprising results