Energetic Forum  
Facebook Twitter Google+ Pinterest LinkedIn Delicious Digg Reddit WordPress StumbleUpon Tumblr Translate Addthis Aaron Murakami YouTube 2020 ENERGY CONFERENCE - PRE-REGISTER NOW!!!!

2020 Energy Science & Technology Conference
PRE-REGISTER NOW!!!
http://energyscienceconference.com


Go Back   Energetic Forum > >
   

Renewable Energy Discussion on various alternative energy, renewable energy, & free energy technologies. Also any discussion about the environment, global warming, and other related topics are welcome here.

* NEW * BEDINI RPX BOOK & DVD SET: BEDINI RPX

Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 05-10-2011, 05:03 PM
Aaron's Avatar
Aaron Aaron is offline
Co-Founder & Moderator
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Washington State
Posts: 10,999
Arrow Aether, Vaccum or Plenum oh my!

If anyone does an advanced search of the forum and searches for titles
only and uses the word aether, vacuum, etc... they can see other threads
with discussions of what is "vacuum energy".

This thread was started because I wanted to just share some opinions
without disrupting someone else's thread discussing the same topic but is
going on a different course of discussion.

Vacuum has different meanings and for "free energy" research, vacuum
has nothing to do with an area that has the gas sucked out such as a
vacuum tube - this implies there is nothing there.

In outer space outside of the atmosphere, there is no normal gases there
and is considered a vacuum in that sense.

In the world of free energy so to speak, it is thought that the "vacuum" is
actually full of infinite potential and this is a totally different meaning than
just being devoid of the normal gases. So in this sense, vacuum is
actually not properly defining TIME/SPACE that actually is not void of all
but has a full abundance of potential and quite literally, it should be called
a plenum.

The Merriam-Webster dictionary says a plenum is:

------------------------------------------
Definition of PLENUM

1
a : a space or all space every part of which is full of matter b : an air-filled space in a structure; especially : one that receives air from a blower for distribution (as in a ventilation system)

2
: a general assembly of all members especially of a legislative body

3
: the quality or state of being full

-----------------------------------------------------------



The 3rd definition is the best general definition of plenum to describe
actually what we're talking about. It was my friend Mark that
brought this distinction to my attention quite a while back.

But in any case, we know that when we are talking about "Vacuum Energy"
that we are talking about time and space that is a plenum full of infinite
potential.

When the term Vacuum Energy is used, that doesn't mean the vacuum
itself is full of energy - that means that when you manifest energy (work),
that energy has its roots in the potential that came from the vacuum. That is
what is meant by Vacuum Energy - not that the potential in the vacuum
is the same as energy in and of itself - it is NOT yet energy.

So when someone thinks that the vacuum is full of energy literally, that
is a misunderstanding and is misinformation at the same time.

It is full of potential that is very "energetic" so to speak because it is a
swarming, seething, soup of potential. But within that soup of energetic
potential, there is a chaotic struggle between the positive and negative
to balance itself so there is movement but it is very symmetrical and
homogeneous in nature - no real potential differences but just potential.
It is in a state of equilibrium.

When you see snow on a TV screen when a station is off air, it has the
appearance of being very active with a lot of movement. That is just
chaotic noise (not random). There is no overall form and it is very
symmetrical and homogeneous - it is just a potential picture with sound
but is not yet until there is definition (equivelant to breaking the symmetry
and causing a form to emerge). It is in a state of equilibrium.

The "static" on a tv screen is static in way that it is in overall equilibrium
but it is anything but static in the sense that there is no movement.

Just like a waterfall. Overall, it appears the same (static) but we know
it is moving. Obviously we can see movement but the point is made.

The vacuum potential has a lot of movement but has an overall (static)
characteristic to it but of course is anything but static.

The vacuum potential is bipolar - made up of so-called single dimensional
positive and negative charges. These are the "virtual photons" that Tom
Bearden refer to for example. These charges are the "particles" that make
up the aether. The aether acts as a gas and has all the characteristics
of a gas, flows like a gas, etc... So the Bedini SG circuits for example are
gas pump valves for this aetheric gas and shouldn't really be looked at as
an "electrical circuit" because calling it an electrical circuit doesn't actually
describe anything. And these charges have no mass but they can exert
an electrostatic type attraction or repulsion against anything with
mass such as a proton, etc...

In order to extract this potential from the vacuum so that it can be made
to do work, you have to give the symmetrical potential a situation where
potential is taken out of symmetry by creating a potential difference -
meaning the positive and negative charges are separated from each other.

As a note, which should be a given, the vacuum potential is available
right here on the surface of the Earth just like it is in outer space away
from any mass since the vacuum potential has nothing to do with
having atmospheric gases or not.

Anyway, a battery has two poles and "breaks the symmetry" of the
vacuum or creates a potential difference with a common connection
inside of vacuum time/space and is the quintessential dipole.

When you charge a battery, you're not filling it up with something, you're
separating the charges in a battery in order to polarize it so that the
terminals have a potential difference. The aetheric charges move to their
respective poles of the battery and then radiate outwards back to the
vacuum.

But if you give it a path to travel on such as connecting a light bulb to
it, the positive charges move over the wire because it is attracted to the
opposite negative pole and as the positive potential (heaviside flow) is
moving over the surface of the wire, some of it is attracted into the copper
of the wire itself since the electrons are negatively charged. Some of
those electrons (just assuming electrons actually exist for the moment)
in the 3rd electron orbit that are the most loosely attached are pulled from
their orbit and are attracted towards the positive terminal of the battery.
That is what we call current - that electron movement and that is what
causes the current to happen.

Simultaneously, the negative charges of the aether move to the negative
terminal of the battery and are attracted over the the wire towards the
positive terminal of the battery.

This is what powers a light bulb and not because the battery is running
out of something. As the positive potential moves to the negative terminal
and cycles through the battery - it will move towards the positive
terminal on the inside and will repel and disorganize the positive charges
and the negative does the same. As this disorganization happens, the
potential difference of the charges in the battery become less and less
polarized so the battery becomes a weaker and weaker dipole. That is
what kills a battery, not because it ran out of something.

So turning on a flashlight IS tapping "energy from the vacuum." There is
nothing magical about it and it isn't some mystery. Every atom, molecule,
battery, etc... is always tapping potential from the vacuum.

Anyone putting forth discussion about how in the world are we supposed to
tap "energy from the vacuum" is directing people's attention from the fact
that we are always doing that anyway!

A question that actually needs to be asked by someone really wanting to
know what the point to all of this is should be asking how we can get
potential from the vacuum over and over even when we go through
periodic stages of work (dissipation) - and be able to use that potential
over and over in order to create more work over and over, still with
dissipation, etc...

Anyway, it isn't a question of if we can tap potential from the vacuum
because we can't help but to do that. Every cell in our body doesn't
create this out of chemicals, those chemical reactions simply create
potential differences or dipoles that draw in the potential from the vacuum
and that vacuum supplies the potential that turns into work in our body
on an electro-chemical standpoint - that is what powers our body, not
the chemicals. The chemicals create potential differences.

There is no way to get away from it - if you witness work
being done in any way, shape or form, that work is only made possible by
potential that comes from the vacuum.
__________________
Sincerely,
Aaron Murakami

Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links

Download SOLAR SECRETS by Peter Lindemann
Free - Get it now: Solar Secrets

  #2  
Old 05-10-2011, 08:46 PM
AetherScientist AetherScientist is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 475
Of course

Hi Aaron,
I totally agree with your explanation. A lot of people is looking for "free energy" extraction. The obstacle for those who don't understand the basic theory is that they think they can extract electromagnetic energy from magnets, ionosphere, etc...

The true answer is that free energy is all around us, including the power grid, a battery or a the most primitive cell. The first thing to understand all this is to know that electromagnetic energy is also free energy. A lot of people usually say... "I can extract some voltage, but small amperage..." and that is a big obstacle. Energy is pure voltage without amperage. The amperage, also called the electron flow as we known, is the rate at you destroy the energy and/or the power source. So when you're trying to amplify wattage, you are dissipating more and more energy since you need to create more and more amperage. A usefull "power amplifier" could be obtained by first decoupling the longitudinal component from the electromagnetic wave, amplifying it scalar and then transforming that scalar to transverse waves again.

I have seen a video where a man sent electric energy using only one wire. That monofilar line was connected to a transformer like the primary coil and then there was a secondary coil (2 wires, as the classic connections). The first electrical energy was "ampere free" and the second was "classic electromagnetic wave". It's very simple to prove that amperes are energy losses in form of heat and light. Almost all materials can act as superconductors at room temperature if you apply the correct equations.
So... can somebody answer were that electrons come from? The answer is very simple.

It's just a little opinion.
__________________
 

Last edited by AetherScientist; 05-10-2011 at 08:54 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 05-11-2011, 11:04 AM
mbrownn mbrownn is offline
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 1,637
I'm in agreement but we must understand it is a difficult concept to grasp for most, that's why I use analogies to explain.

Do you agree with me that the key to unlocking this potential is the presence of an imbalance or broken symmetry as some say.
__________________
 
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 05-11-2011, 03:25 PM
Peter Lindemann Peter Lindemann is offline
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Liberty Lake, Washington
Posts: 1,192
Great Essay

Aaron,

What a great essay on "vacuum energy"! If I didn't know better, I'd say you were beginning to understand this stuff!

Peter
__________________
 
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 05-11-2011, 04:59 PM
Armagdn03's Avatar
Armagdn03 Armagdn03 is offline
Silver Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 918
Hey Aaron, Peter and all,

Very good topic, and well thought through arguments. I would like to further expand upon a few aspects.

One must recognize our limitations.

Imagine.....

Humans have discovered the speed of light! It remains constant!....(Huge caveat...)At vacuum conditions!!! Mathematically we assign the "vacuum" parameters so that we may quantify its existence! We assign values of 1 permeability, and 1 permittivity for convenience. Then we adjust. Here come the constants! what fun....

now we define the meter, and the second....the very basis of ....motion...

"According to the official standard, a meter is defined to be "the length of the path travelled by light in vacuum during a time interval of 1⁄299 792 458 of a second""

"The second is "the duration of 9 192 631 770 periods of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the caesium 133 atom."

Ok. this is where the game stops! What happens if the speed of light changes? how can this happen?

It happens when our local environment changes. The speed of light is dependant upon the optical density of the medium through which it travels. This is a MUCH more rigorous statement than "the speed of light equals....."

For example. We have no problem envisioning the very small. Terahertz waves etc. and its effects on our environment etc. We constantly find new and improved ways of detecting ever finer and smaller corpuscles. There is another side to this spectrum, the very large. As above so below.

Imagine a wave, whose period is millions of times larger than the short human blip on the map existence. Imagine we sit, smack dab in the middle of this rolling field of power. We see only a infinitesimal fraction of its being.

As this wave moves through us, like all waves, it affects the environment, the local fulcrum, the local zero, the local permittivity and permeability. If local ambient pressures change, our ground, or neutral changes, our "speed of signal" changes

Once I posted an odd statement, to which I expected no repply,

Quote:
Dont forget that the relative permittivity of the vacuum being 1 is just that....relative...for mathematical convenience. If this is an all pervading "zero" with nothing lower to reference it to (in our corner of the universe) we may mistakenly call it zero, while in fact, it is just a local zero.

Imagine a 10T magnetic field that is uniform everywhere you measure.....oh wait...you cannot measure it!!! because there is no point to reference it to!
to which Dr. Stiffler repplied (yes I am tooting my horn...so what.)

Quote:
@Armagdn03
Someone that understand reality, Oh! I should have said perceived reality.

You are 1000% correct.
As our "corner" of the unverse, undergoes the expected changes in "vacuum parameters" the speed of light through this new optical density will change. Our inch will change, our second will change, our elements will change, Our physiology will change. Giants of the past existed because we had an environment which supported their being!

Without an ABSOLUTE reference, which is NON EXISTANT TO US, we are clueless! We assign static rulers of measure to a dynamic world of Rhythmic Balanced Interchange!

Our ruler of measure is a variable one! There is no static, no absolute. There is only a dance around a local fulcrum. A center which cannot be found. No matter how far you zoom in on your spinning wheel, you will never find its still center, though without it, there can be no spin at all!

The realization, that this very innate movement, This cyclic dance around a center, IS our reality... The problem is not a technical one, I ASSURE YOU. It is an adopted mind frame

Have fun guys....

Andrew Manrique
__________________
 
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 05-11-2011, 11:40 PM
MonsieurM's Avatar
MonsieurM MonsieurM is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 10,078
Send a message via MSN to MonsieurM
BBC - Everything and Nothing docu 2011

YouTube - BBC - Everything and Nothing - Nothing

Watch starting at 30 min until 45 min...interesting...it gives you an idea of the energy available in a vacuum...
__________________
Signs and symbols rule the world, not words nor laws. -Confucius.

Last edited by MonsieurM; 05-12-2011 at 01:17 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 05-12-2011, 01:09 AM
Aaron's Avatar
Aaron Aaron is offline
Co-Founder & Moderator
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Washington State
Posts: 10,999
potential and energy

Quote:
Originally Posted by mbrownn View Post
I'm in agreement but we must understand it is a difficult concept to grasp for most, that's why I use analogies to explain.

Do you agree with me that the key to unlocking this potential is the presence of an imbalance or broken symmetry as some say.
Hi, yes, that is in my post - any potential difference is the breaking of
the symmetry.

Put a flat board on the ground with a ball on it, lift the board and suddenly
you have a potential difference and the gravitational potential is put to use
and the ball rolls down the ramp. Otherwise in equilibrium, the ball simply
sits.

Fill a tub with water - equilibrium, pull the plug and that water is now
moving asymmetrically - pulling the plug creates the broken symmetry.

It is difficult for most to grasp, not because it is difficult to understand
but because it rubs most people the wrong way since it goes against
the traditional mainstream teaching.

The definition of energy and potential are wrong in the textbooks.

Potential is taught as some abstract concept, but in reality, it is a
"tangible" thing that is anything but static.

The entire concept of storing potential is laughable.

Lifting an object to a height doesn't store potential, it only creates a
potential difference so when letting go, gravitational potential will push
the ball down. It is NEW potential entering the system - not something
that was stored when lifting the ball.

ALL the energy that was used to lift the ball is 100% dissipated at the
peak of the lift. Nothing stored.

Then let go and NEW potential comes in to push the ball down and make
it bounce - NONE of that potential came from our lift.
__________________
Sincerely,
Aaron Murakami

Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 05-12-2011, 03:29 AM
mbrownn mbrownn is offline
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 1,637
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aaron View Post
Hi, yes, that is in my post - any potential difference is the breaking of
the symmetry.

Put a flat board on the ground with a ball on it, lift the board and suddenly
you have a potential difference and the gravitational potential is put to use
and the ball rolls down the ramp. Otherwise in equilibrium, the ball simply
sits.

Fill a tub with water - equilibrium, pull the plug and that water is now
moving asymmetrically - pulling the plug creates the broken symmetry.

It is difficult for most to grasp, not because it is difficult to understand
but because it rubs most people the wrong way since it goes against
the traditional mainstream teaching.

The definition of energy and potential are wrong in the textbooks.

Potential is taught as some abstract concept, but in reality, it is a
"tangible" thing that is anything but static.

The entire concept of storing potential is laughable.

Lifting an object to a height doesn't store potential, it only creates a
potential difference so when letting go, gravitational potential will push
the ball down. It is NEW potential entering the system - not something
that was stored when lifting the ball.

ALL the energy that was used to lift the ball is 100% dissipated at the
peak of the lift. Nothing stored.

Then let go and NEW potential comes in to push the ball down and make
it bounce - NONE of that potential came from our lift.
The other side to it is knowing where the energy is consumed.

When we energize a coil most assume that all the power drawn from the source is consumed in the coil, this is not true. Most passes through the coil and is shorted on the source causing heat in the source and destroying the source.

The easiest way of stopping this is to place series mounted batteries as the supply and parallel batteries in the return. this way the energy that has passed through the coil can be collected and used elsewhere. as soon as you do this you get a high COP.

Now when you pulse a coil in such a setup the resultant radiant energy is obviously not from the source and must be from the environment. It is radiant because it did not come into the system via conduction or any other means.

So to prove Energy From the Vacuum all you have to do is place an SSG with a Tesla style battery setup in a vacuum. When it runs and performs as normal the conclusion has to be it is getting radiant energy from the vacuum. Of course you will never get a university to do this as it will break their paradigm.
__________________
 
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 05-12-2011, 05:31 AM
Farmhand Farmhand is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Australia
Posts: 3,387
Quote:
Originally Posted by mbrownn View Post
The other side to it is knowing where the energy is consumed.

When we energize a coil most assume that all the power drawn from the source is consumed in the coil, this is not true. Most passes through the coil and is shorted on the source causing heat in the source and destroying the source.

The easiest way of stopping this is to place series mounted batteries as the supply and parallel batteries in the return. this way the energy that has passed through the coil can be collected and used elsewhere. as soon as you do this you get a high COP.

Now when you pulse a coil in such a setup the resultant radiant energy is obviously not from the source and must be from the environment. It is radiant because it did not come into the system via conduction or any other means.

So to prove Energy From the Vacuum all you have to do is place an SSG with a Tesla style battery setup in a vacuum. When it runs and performs as normal the conclusion has to be it is getting radiant energy from the vacuum. Of course you will never get a university to do this as it will break their paradigm.
Hi mbrown, Aaron and all, mbrown I agree you are 100%, I think it can also be done with pretty much anything that uses power to a certain degree. Very high efficiency battery charger's may show the best gains.

I am using 4 large batteries now like that, the negative of the series one's needs to be connected to the negative of the parallel one's. And I can see imediately that I can almost double the efficiency of pretty much every thing I use.

I am very happy to have this knowledge, it means a lot more work can be got from batteries, these forums really are a wealth of knowledge.

And thank's to Aaron for taking the time to make such good thread and explanation. And the place to make them. Maybe I got off topic, Sorry.

Anyway nice work Aaron.

Cheers all
__________________
 
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 05-12-2011, 05:43 AM
Aaron's Avatar
Aaron Aaron is offline
Co-Founder & Moderator
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Washington State
Posts: 10,999
frame of reference and our limitation

Quote:
Originally Posted by Armagdn03 View Post
The speed of light is dependant upon the optical density of the medium through which it travels.
Exactly.

And I see time not as a something but as simply the rate at which that
light can move in its local area with its own particular density. High density
slower time and lower density faster time (relative to an observer from an
all-encompassing or God perspective so to speak).

We certainly have limitations with our own frames of references but I
believe we can experience the limitless frame of reference by taming the
reasoning carnal mind of man (bringing the chatterbox judgment mechanism
in the mind to silence). Then the perspective is without personal definition.
Off topic but wanted to throw that in.
__________________
Sincerely,
Aaron Murakami

Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 05-12-2011, 06:21 AM
Armagdn03's Avatar
Armagdn03 Armagdn03 is offline
Silver Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 918
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aaron View Post
Exactly.

And I see time not as a something but as simply the rate at which that
light can move in its local area with its own particular density. High density
slower time and lower density faster time (relative to an observer from an
all-encompassing or God perspective so to speak).

We certainly have limitations with our own frames of references but I
believe we can experience the limitless frame of reference by taming the
reasoning carnal mind of man (bringing the chatterbox judgment mechanism
in the mind to silence). Then the perspective is without personal definition.
Off topic but wanted to throw that in.
Well said my friend! our senses are our limitations, our center, our knowing, advances beyond our fallible bodies......
__________________
 
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
  #12  
Old 05-12-2011, 12:48 PM
AetherScientist AetherScientist is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 475
Another way to prove that the "vacuum" is not an absolutely vacuum is to use a single line transmission line (like avramenko) and a transformer.

If the primary coil is the single wire and the secondary coil is a double wire (like normal). Note, you don't need to use the diodes and capacitor to convert single wire transmission line to the double wire. I say "use the single wire as the primary".

What happens here? In the secondary coil there are volts and amperes. But in the primary wire (the single wire) there is only a time varying electric field, and the most important... the single wire is carrying electron-free electricity.
We also know that you can tap energy from the potential difference that happens from the surface of the earth to each meter that you up.

So, if the earth's environment is full of electrical field and you know that you can get as many as you want from this electrical field, and you also know that the electron-free energy can be transformed into electron-rich current...
What is the doubt from the orthodox science that "it's not possible to tap energy from the vacuum"?
It's also well documented that in all the universe there is a Radiation Background.
__________________
 
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



Please consider supporting Energetic Forum with a voluntary monthly subscription.

Choose your voluntary subscription

For one-time donations, please use the below button.


All times are GMT. The time now is 12:11 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO v1.4.0 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Shoutbox provided by vBShout v6.2.8 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
2007-2015 Copyright - Energetic Forum - All Rights Reserved

Bedini RPX Sideband Generator

Tesla Chargers