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Old 05-06-2011, 09:50 AM
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Muller generator replication by Romerouk

Just want to point you guys to this video which is a stunning break trough. I think we need to replicate and discuss this also over here.

YouTube - Muller Generator - self running - Test1

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Lets replicate and spread it out over the world.

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Old 05-06-2011, 09:13 PM
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Awesome! RomeroUK is good. He comes up with some very interesting things and this one really looks great. Has he posted the circuit for control yet?
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Old 05-07-2011, 12:44 AM
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I am really hopeful for this replication the world needs something open source and fairly easy to build. He's very forthcoming with the info/tips to others trying to replicate. God willing we all will have conformation of a successful replication by another person within a week or so.

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its being replicated, it should only take a week or so.
who else is doing one?
this is to important not to do right now. after all the the things we have been disappointed about. Orbo Hidro need i say more?
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Old 05-07-2011, 05:36 AM
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Just want to point you guys to this video which is a stunning break trough. I think we need to replicate and discuss this also over here.

YouTube - Muller Generator - self running - Test1

More discussion at Thread: Muller Dynamo

Lets replicate and spread it out over the world.

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That is a pretty incredible machine!! Look forward to seeing where this one goes

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Old 05-07-2011, 06:09 PM
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Yes Romero is a top notch builder. It took him about a month to get this one done and it does take fine tuning on spacing and so on. But I believe it's very doable for an average builder with patience. I'm sure toranarod will have success with this one from what I've seen you do very good work. Replications are very important at this point to get the pressure off Romeruk. I've had discussions in private with him before and he has had to back away on other occasions on devices he built due to unusual circumstances. The quicker we can get multiple replications the better for everyone. Just do realize that he had several attempts at this before getting it looped to be a self runner with extra power. But we now have the advantage of information he learned in his earlier attempts so we do not make the same mistakes.
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Nice to see still some Peoples serious working without beeing distracted from to much naysayers. Great work what romeruk did do here, but i guess i wait with sproading, till there are more replications, to lower the stress. lol

When someone is over there, may someone post the Hint what P. Lindemann gave about Magnetite core, that you should attach Magnets to the Epoxy-magnetite Cores during setting.
How can I make good magnetic sand cores ?
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we are on the job.

just to show the work is under way.
I have just completed the rotor stage and bearing.
Now the coils. its difficult to get Litz wire in Aus.
we cam make it or import the stuff.


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just to show the work is under way.
I have just completed the rotor stage and bearing.
Now the coils. its difficult to get Litz wire in Aus.
we cam make it or import the stuff.


I am jealous. I love to build but have no money. Soon, it shall be ours. Thanks to the Pioneers!

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Congratulations to Romerouk

Discussion with my Group on the Muller Wheel

I spent a few hours discussing the pulse rotation wheel technique and the theory behind it. The Muller generator replication by Romerouk was brought to my attention. I shall just share my thoughts here:

1. The Muller wheel belongs to the Pulse Rotation Wheels category.
2. To understand the theory behind this category, we usually start with the pulsed pendulum. (I had the privilege of meeting Harvey face-to-face and explained this to him.)
3. The Physics is relatively simple – when we push a pendulum horizontally, the pendulum bob will move both horizontally and vertically. The tension in the pendulum string will increase. The horizontal component of the tension of the string will oppose our supplied horizontal force. The vertical component of the tension of the string will oppose the weight.
4. The horizontal work = horizontal force x horizontal displacement
5. The vertical work = vertical force x vertical displacement
6. If we do the mathematics, for small angles, the ratio of horizontal work over vertical work is roughly 2. This implies that 2 parts of horizontal energy can lead-out or bring-in one part of vertical (gravitational) energy.

Once we accept the above mathematical result, we can then:
1. Extend the concept to a magnetic pendulum under the influence of an induced magnetic field. The induced magnetic field is better because we can control its strength, direction or even turn it on or off.
2. Extend the concept from pulsed oscillation to pulsed rotation for higher efficiency. This leads to the general treatment that applies to all pulse rotation wheels.
3. The most tricky part is the exact timing of the pulse – when to start, when to stop and how strong is the pulse. Most replicators failed because they could not master this particular technology. See the excellent posts by toranarod.
4. The most powerful pulse rotation wheel I am aware of is the 225 HP pulse motor introduced to me by Mr. Andrew Wong of Yuen Fat in Hong Kong in 2006. That particular device might have been classified as top secret now by both USA and China.
5. Mr. Tong Po Chi produced the Tong Wheel that was shown at the Inno Tech Design Expo 2009 in Hong Kong. That device achieved overunity but the diameter of the wheel was over 1 meter. The Romerouk replication is much better.

Congratulations to Romerouk. I am sure that more people will be able to learn and follow his technique to produce more successful replications. The excess output energy comes from the varying magnetic field or to be more exact – the energy of the orbiting electrons. If properly tuned, the device will run cool and may help to reverse global warming!

This is a good example the Second Divine Revelation. Bless the Almighty.
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Old 05-08-2011, 05:05 AM
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I am jealous. I love to build but have no money. Soon, it shall be ours. Thanks to the Pioneers!

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That why I do this not for the people that can afford to buy energy for those who cannot.
I am one of those who cannot. I started this research over 6 years ago when I could not pay my electric bill. I was angry and frustrated. I was being priced into poverty so i decided to fight back.

History has alway demonstrated all good Ideas have flourished in the hands of the majority who could least afford it.
Thats why they fear bringing electric cars on to the market. its about what happens when they become second and third had cars and after market
equipment. flourishes in the bottom end of the market. the poor are the majority and the rich are the minority. Thats what they are scared off.

I will share all information on this experiment.
I wish I could help. if when I have a successful motor i will send you my old prototype.
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Old 05-08-2011, 06:10 AM
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Vertical placement

Hi ltseung888:

According to your theory, "RomeroUK" the vertical placement of the device whether the effects would be better?
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Old 05-08-2011, 09:06 AM
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Motor-generator

Hi there everyone,
Here's some info. Muller Power.com ... Articles pertaining to Bill Muller's Motor/Generators cheers Jason
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Old 05-08-2011, 11:52 AM
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Good to see you replicate it, i hope it, that it works soon for you ,
and i hope a lot more can do a successfully replication to sproad it far.
I started with same reasons as you to start building something, after i saw, how much Crap you can find out there,
what nowadays use and produce Energy.
Looking back to Mullers generator, then it seems for me, he used thicker wire, what may produce better Amperage, and more decent Volt. For driving it, Thinner Wire are kinda thriftier to run the Decive, but heavier Wire adding Torque.
Probatly a Mix of both will do the Job. I mainly agree there with romeruk, that the arrangement from Coils and Magnets are more importend as the Circuit itself, just take the Power right from the power Coils. I bought lately BY255 and 1n4158 Diodes, they are very fast switching Diodes.
The Trick, as i do see it, is, that you take time-displaced the Power off from the Coils, what creates in a large View a big Wave created into the Storage.
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very important post

this is turning into one of the biggest events to come to the OU community.
I am building this one with no holding off. no expense spared. This could be the one.
here are some of the data to be aware off. The use of Litz wire as got me very interested.


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According to your theory, "RomeroUK" the vertical placement of the device whether the effects would be better?
Dear yx630514,

With vertical placement, the gravitational energy can be brought-in. Theoretically, this will be better as the gravitational energy is also free.

How much better depends on the strength and setup of the magnetic field. If the induced magnetic field is small, the gravitational effect will be more important. If the diameter of the wheel is larger, the gravitational effect will be larger.

The 225 HP Pulse motor uses 9 wheels mounted vertically with a wheel diameter of approximately 1 meter. It has a programmable pulsing mechanism that is load dependent. I am sure that once the self running romerouk replications are reproduced, more researchers will focus their energy in this direction.

My focus will still be in the multiple LCR resonance technology. Multiple tuning forks at resonance (in sympathetic vibrations) sound louder and longer. Multiple LCR circuits in resonance will bring-in the electron motion energy of the surrounding. The size and power per unit mass can be much better. The manufacturing cost will also be lower.

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@ltseung888Thanks for the update and details . I would love to replicate this. To me the biggest challenge are all mechanical setups due to the "LAME" - local availability of materials.
This looks great and romerouk self runner video left me speechless (not permanently). He shouldn't bother trying to convince some trolls that it is real and there are no batteries hidden in the cap. Some people will even deny existence of giraffe because it doesn't fit in the box they live in.



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@ltseung888Thanks for the update and details . I would love to replicate this. To me the biggest challenge are all mechanical setups due to the "LAME" - local availability of materials.
This looks great and romerouk self runner video left me speechless (not permanently). He shouldn't bother trying to convince some trolls that it is real and there are no batteries hidden in the cap. Some people will even deny existence of giraffe because it doesn't fit in the box they live in.



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Hi M8, like John K and others we know we can trust you, the biggest problem is not having the resources (and so many projects on lol) but we have a select few who can build well and many who could help pool resources together for one, we have pooled resources together and sent them to Rod in the past., he is a hard worker

Perhaps what we wrote in the latest Gabriel device rep document can help with ideas for those who dont have resources

David Klingelhoefer’s open source donation of the “Two Toroid Gabriel device” requires YOUR replication reports OR support to help optimize, validate and improve this effect. NEEDED participation by OPEN SOURCE engineers can be managed in a number of ways to be the most efficient. In one example -A select trusted group of open source enthusiast can mobilize to pool resources together (and others can help with donations) to designate a trusted body with a PRIOR agreement to open source the final outcome. All this can be done with the inclusion of the required public records and credits.
The potential of the open source free energy community to help the public is growing; we have many trusted engineers like Ron P, Peter Lindemann, Gene, Jetijs and (too many more to mention here) MANY OF US can CONSOLIDATE to manage resources for such a project if it is desired. If you are willing to help with individual research reports or pool resources together for such a task please visit the technical threads for the Two Toroid Gabriel Device listed in this document


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Just ordered the Wire form USA
but I cannot wait for it to arrive so I am making the closes thing using 0.2 signal strand wire doubled up 7 times getting that today.
also picking up the ferrite cores.

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Wouldnt it be easier for you from Asia?
My guess is, that bifilar should work too, and may you wind it, like someone mentioned,
just into one direction, and go short back to the beginning.
That did make some Coils better for me, especially when i work with Pulses or only North facing magnets like here,
where the stronger movement comes only from one Side.
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Been watching this one too Rod. Will be working on my own replication too.
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Litz Wire

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Kone is the expert on that

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Thanks ASH

going there to check

I am about to get another rotor manufactured. as you know the cost is in the tooling so I pay for one is expensive.
so i can have more than one made. If any body is interested please say as I will just get them to do a few more. you will get them for the cost of what they cost me. and postage.

this is for a rotor the dimensions are on the drawing.

the magnets are 22 mm Dia

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Been watching this one too Rod. Will be working on my own replication too.
I think its got potential the guy seem very genuine and sounds like a real enthusiast
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but I cannot wait for it to arrive so I am making the closes thing using 0.2 signal strand wire doubled up 7 times getting that today.
also picking up the ferrite cores.

Hi toranarod, can you tell me where you ordered the Litz from in the U.S. ?
I'm having a hard time on that particular item and any suggestions appreciated.
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Yes I think RomeroUK is genuine. I've had a number of PM's with him in the last year. Take a look here at some of his many projects (his forum - small but lots of pics): RomeroUK Work Pictures

He's a serious builder and is meticulous in fine tuning his builds.
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The coils.
We just need to try every thing

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The Romerouk output waveform on reply 328

Dear All,

I would like to bring your attention to the output voltage waveform on reply 328 of the Muller Dynamo thread at OU. It is reproduced here. Romerouk provided that picture but did not do much explanation.

I would like to provide my thoughts on that:

1. Most people might treat that as an AC waveform.
2. A different interpretation is – that represents two pulsed DC voltage signals. One travelling outwards and one travelling backwards.
3. The outward travelling one provides the power and energy to the load. The backward travelling one recharges the battery.
4. The full input voltage, current and power waveforms should be compared with the full output voltage, current and power waveforms. Romerouk or one of the replicators will be able to provide them soon.
5. The extra Output Energy is the Bring-in Energy and can be seen from the comparison of the Input and Output waveforms.
6. Do not make the mistake of averaging out the Power.

So far, the Lead-out/Bring-in Energy Theory explains the source of energy of the Romerouk Muller wheel very well. I look forward to reading other alternative theories.

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I'm having a hard time on that particular item and any suggestions appreciated.
These guys make Litz wire:

Custom cables, litz wire, flat braided wire, multiconductor cable from custom wire and cable, and electric wire manufacturer New England Wire Technologies

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Dear All,

I would like to bring your attention to the output voltage waveform on reply 328 of the Muller Dynamo thread at OU. It is reproduced here. Romerouk provided that picture but did not do much explanation.

I would like to provide my thoughts on that:

1. Most people might treat that as an AC waveform.
2. A different interpretation is – that represents two pulsed DC voltage signals. One travelling outwards and one travelling backwards.
...
Where is the zero-point in your interpretation? In the middle of the waveform or at the lowest point of the waveform? I'm not sure that I grok your theory yet.


Romerouk states that this is the waveform at the AC end of the FWBR.

He takes this waveform and runs it through the FWBR and then across the cap (the other end of the FWBR). Every coil pair pulses the cap with two (now +ve) pulses for every magnet pass.

If I take 14 such pulses and "add them together" in my head, I see a nearly-flat DC voltage, averaged by the cap. He doesn't tell us how many volts per division his scope was set to (if he did, I've forgotten).

He only needs to pulse the drive coils twice per revolution. If the pulses on his scope are about 12V (or more), then he uses only 2/9 of the energy for the drive coils and the rest (7/9) is there for the taking, e.g. burned off in inefficiencies in the DC-DC converter plus lighting the light bulb.

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edit: I made a mistake, I overlooked the fact that there are 8 magnets on the rotor. The ratios still stand. 2/9 of created energy is used to drive the rotor, 7/9 available for other purposes.
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