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Another way to do this without such a drastic change in system design

Changing coil wiring around could produce some interesting effects.
By changing the wiring you could have NN or SS or NS, could be fun.
I think it would blast any pickup coil around it.
Dang where did I put that rotor
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Old 10-06-2011, 11:34 AM
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"Would you believe each phase winding is only 1.3 ohms but 11.75 mH ! "

millihenrys not henrys ? Not surprising unless that's Henrys !

What diameter is the wire ?
That's millihenrys, that's what the meter says on the 20 mH setting, the wire looks like about .63 mm diameter maybe .7mm, less than 1mm.

Doesn't seem right to me.

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Oh I will be removing the field from the housing and then removing the wire,
then I'll separate about 1 inch or so of lamination's and cut all the inner
projections off to make a nice neat smooth laminated ring. Or maybe I could
leave four sets of pole projections for the four poles I want. There's about
six inches of lamination, I just hope there is enough solid outer ring radius to
make good core's.

I was just curious about the poles and stuff, I guess I'll work it out. These
one's have no armature's, if I had an armature to look at I would know a lot
more.

Would you believe each phase winding is only 1.3 ohms but 11.75 mH !

Thanks for the download.
That's a great L/R ratio.
don't destroy the motor, Try and set it up as a pulse motor. fundamentally all motors are the same its only how you apply them. I bet you could convert it to a dc pulse motor. power up the rotor coils with DC and pulse the stater coils. or the other way around. Turn it into a stepper motor. you will learn so much from it and it my do something unexpected. With that kind of Resistance it would run on 12 volts if pulsed. The back EMF would be very High.
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Old 10-06-2011, 12:11 PM
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That's a great L/R ratio.
don't destroy the motor, Try and set it up as a pulse motor. fundamentally all motors are the same its only how you apply them. I bet you could convert it to a dc pulse motor. power up the rotor coils with DC and pulse the stater coils. or the other way around. Turn it into a stepper motor. you will learn so much from it and it my do something unexpected. With that kind of Resistance it would run on 12 volts if pulsed. The back EMF would be very High.
Well I've got two of these but they have no armature's or bearing/housing
ends,
I've also got a complete 28 Kw one.

I'll have a good look and a think about it first, before i do anything. If I can
get or make an armature to fit one they would be worth keeping. I think i can
get some more of these motors and parts so it would be a shame it I
destroyed the field then got a rotor and bearings. I do have two but then
two the same could be useful too.

As far as I can tell I just need to knock through or pull out some key or wedge
type inserts around the field which seem to hold the field in the housing.
I'll see if i can find dismantling some info on them. I'm hoping to be
able to remove the field from the housing to see how the lamination's are.

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Old 10-06-2011, 12:23 PM
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Rod it was your idea,
I'm blaming it on you
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Rod...you are tickling everyone's brain.....

a bit of info transfer to help out


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You have to make sure that both magnet emit opposite vortex
why how about this


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I can see what you mean. Actually two golden mean vorteces, placed in opposite rotation would eventually form an oblong circle like the one posted. Which of course would form a nearly perfect circle.
you got it and together they form:

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It is also called a Fermat's Spiral -- from Wolfram MathWorld


The Fermat Spiral Also respects 936







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Fermat's spiral (also known as a parabolic spiral) follows the equation


in polar coordinates (the more general Fermat's spiral follows r 2 = a 2θ.) It is a type of Archimedean spiral.[1]

In disc phyllotaxis (sunflower, daisy), the mesh of spirals occurs in Fibonacci numbers because divergence (angle of succession in a single spiral arrangement) approaches the golden ratio. The shape of the spirals depends on the growth of the elements generated sequentially. In mature-disc phyllotaxis, when all the elements are the same size, the shape of the spirals is that of Fermat spirals—ideally. That is because Fermat's spiral traverses equal annuli in equal turns. The full model proposed by H Vogel in 1979[2] is



where θ is the angle, r is the radius or distance from the center, and n is the index number of the floret and c is a constant scaling factor. The angle 137.508° is the golden angle which is approximated by ratios of Fibonacci numbers.[3]




this must be where you got your inspiration



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@ Farmhand

You should try it with my setup, very simple.

I use a single tube magnet, a carbon rod as a shaft, two flanged bearings and perspex endplates to mount the bearings on.

The drive circuit is really simple, a transistor, a diode and a resistor mounted on a tiny piece of breadboard.

The drive coil i wound by hand using my drill and a simple winding jig, just two rods mounted opposite each other.

Total cost (i am in the UK so USA should be cheaper) is £50.

The advantage is that very little work is needed in construction and the tube magnet goes up to about 30,000 RPM.

If you want to go for it i can give you more detailed info and all the help you need via email or PM.

Here's my video :

Acceleration under load - replicating the Heins Effect ... - YouTube
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Rod, isolating and investigating each principle independently is a good idea. So far, what different principles do you see that are related? Do you have a list?

Ps, I was the one that requested a scope shot. Just a shot against a small resistor or something so we can see the waveform on a normal pickup coil's circuit.
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Well I've got two of these but they have no armature's or bearing/housing
ends,
I've also got a complete 28 Kw one.

I'll have a good look and a think about it first, before i do anything. If I can
get or make an armature to fit one they would be worth keeping. I think i can
get some more of these motors and parts so it would be a shame it I
destroyed the field then got a rotor and bearings. I do have two but then
two the same could be useful too.

As far as I can tell I just need to knock through or pull out some key or wedge
type inserts around the field which seem to hold the field in the housing.
I'll see if i can find dismantling some info on them. I'm hoping to be
able to remove the field from the housing to see how the lamination's are.

This is how I would approach the project. Just isolate one winding on the stator and one on the armature. Put the motor back together and line up the two coils and put power in the coils. When you power the coils the armature will rotate a few degrees as the magnetic fields attract or repel each other.
Then I would find all the other coils taking notes on where they are and how many there are. You can decide how many you want for drive coils and how many you want for generator coils. I bet you could turn it into an Adams type motor.
Please keep us informed.
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a bit of info transfer to help out




why how about this




you got it and together they form:





this must be where you got your inspiration



Hello MonsieurM

you are heavily into geometry and symbolism I have had a similar interest over the years. I believe the ancient Egyptian and other cutlers created structures to harness power.
Have you ever been a Mason? do you a Mason they are into symbolism.
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I guess I learned to see through their eyes...I have always had a knack at finding Patterns...seeing the unseen

Weren't the Masons originally Gaea's Artisans .....

a Famous Artisan: Jesus Christ

I posted this in the beginning of this research; and it fits perfectly

I was just reading through A thread on Above Top Secret on

The most accurate prophecies i have ever seen., page 1

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Mitar Tarabich, (1829-1899) was an illiterate peasant from a small Serbian village called Kremna, he occasionally had prophetic visions of "seeing into the future. Being very religious and his godfather being a local Serbian orthodox priest, he told the priest about his visions.
The priest, Zaharije Zaharich (1836-1918), wrote down mitar's visions in a small book, which got damaged by fire in 1943 when his family home was destroyed by the Bulgarian army. This text is now in the possession of the family of Zaharich's great-grandson, Mr. Dejan Malenkovich.
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"People will drill wells deep in the ground and dig out gold, which will give them light, speed and power, and the earth will shed tears of sorrow, because there will be much more gold and light on its surface than in its interior. The earth will suffer because of these open wounds. Instead of working in the fields, people will dig everywhere, in right and wrong places, but the real power will be all around them, not being able to tell them, 'Come on, take me, don't you see that I am here, all around you.'(sounds like water/emf, no? ) Only after many a summer, people will remember this real power, and then they will realize how stupid it was to dig all those holes. This power will also be present in people but it will take a long time before they discover it and use it. Thus man will live for a long, long time, not being able to know himself. There will be many learned men who will think through their books that they know and can do everything. They will be the great obstacle for this realization [self-knowledge], but once men get this knowledge, then people will see what kind of delusion it was when they listened to their learned men. When that happens, people will be so sorry that they didn't discover it before, because this knowledge is so simple ( 6 3 9 ) .
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Hey guys over at overunity chalamnan sorry about the spelling, has just released a video of more power out than in his theory is that the hall sensor when positioned just right will cause resonance in not just the drive coil but all the coils and get more power out than in??????
soory forgot the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIlndSDIyGc
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If you connected the rotor ends like Ed Leedskalnin's pmh you would only have to charge the coils one time, as long as the magnetic field was connected the E field would replinish itself, energy for free, free E field.

Almost looks like a gyroscope doesn't it.
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If you connected the rotor ends like Ed Leedskalnin's pmh you would only have to charge the coils one time, as long as the magnetic field was connected the E field would replinish itself, energy for free, free E field.
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I guess I learned to see through their eyes...I have always had a knack at finding Patterns...seeing the unseen

Weren't the Masons originally Gaea's Artisans .....

a Famous Artisan: Jesus Christ

I posted this in the beginning of this research; and it fits perfectly

I was just reading through A thread on Above Top Secret on

The most accurate prophecies i have ever seen., page 1





you are well informed MonsieurM.

good work lets hope this can help us to energy development.
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Hey guys over at overunity chalamnan sorry about the spelling, has just released a video of more power out than in his theory is that the hall sensor when positioned just right will cause resonance in not just the drive coil but all the coils and get more power out than in??????
soory forgot the link Resonance in driving coil - YouTube
does it run its self?
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This would be easier to make
This would not work in most applications because you need a varying field but with the magnets rotating in the E field it will work for the magnet motor.
The magnets and coils would be working in a highly energetic field,

Leedskalnin's pmh has been known to hold for months or even longer as long as the magnetic field is not broken the E field will be present as well, taking energy from the E field should not effect the pmh's holding power.
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The Van Allen belts are earth's E field
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I have posted in several threads on this forum look at my posts on the galaxy, the Electric field is the secret of the universe. Use it, expand on the idea's posted.
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This idea has been around for a long time, Im not sure if it was connected to the galaxy's or planets but it is now,
Our planet, star, solar system runs in the E field of the Milky Way galaxy the E field saturates our planet, this is the aether.
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It takes two particles to make electricity one with a cw spin one with a ccw spin together they make electricity.
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Cw spin alone is high voltage as in the Tesla coil but if the other secondary is added (ccw) as in the Don Smith device and combined you get voltage and amps.
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Hey guys over at overunity chalamnan sorry about the spelling, has just released a video of more power out than in his theory is that the hall sensor when positioned just right will cause resonance in not just the drive coil but all the coils and get more power out than in??????
soory forgot the link Resonance in driving coil - YouTube
I think what he found is similar to Bedini motor self resonance. The signal turn the sensor on and off when the magnet is on top. It's in oscillator mode.

I've done an experiment about this type of charging yesterday. Seems like we can get some interesting effect. The spike mode acts like a current source. The experiment is as follow:

-Prepare 2 capacitors of the same value (mine is 47K uf 35V).
-charge 1 cap with the spike for a few seconds (I do it for 5). Record the voltage ( mine is .380V from 0).
-reset it to zero, put 2 caps in parallel (now the capacitance is double). Charge it with the same duration. Record the voltage ( it is now .190V no surprise there).
-reset it to zero, put 2 caps in series. Charge it for the same duration. Record the voltage ( now it's .760V).

I use AV plug rectify from plasma globe for this experiment. It is obvious that it gives out the same amount of current no matter what the setup is. I am wondering if the input has changed in those cases. If it's not, I think it's interesting.
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This idea has been around for a long time, Im not sure if it was connected to the galaxy's or planets but it is now,
Our planet, star, solar system runs in the E field of the Milky Way galaxy the E field saturates our planet, this is the aether.
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This energy is drawn into the core of our planet or any heavenly body by our magnetic field, it is what heats our planets core, it fuels the sun our star and all stars in the galaxy.
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