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Old 03-22-2011, 05:21 PM
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Sonofusion Replication and Research

Hello All,

I am starting this thread in hopes to replicate a Sonofusion desktop reactor. I think a good starting point is here:

http://whoisyourcreator.org/assets/PDF%27s/sono2.pdf
http://www.wbabin.net/physics/fitzgerald7.pdf
http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/Str...whenbubble.pdf
Bubble fusion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Directory:Sonofusion Reactor - PESWiki
http://www.physics.ucla.edu/Sonoluminescence/sono.pdf
http://www.pas.rochester.edu/~AdvLab...olum/sono1.pdf
http://ogpta.polsl.pl/mqa/files/28/pdf/039-046.pdf
I have started to build my dedicated reactor and have a $2000.00 budget on this project. My goal is to make this as simple as possible for others to replicate and share ideas an findings.

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Glad you have started this

Hi

I am so pleased you have started this thread, it is one of my passions. It is this type of frequency manipulation that I have been working on for many years.

Although most experimenters in this field use frequencies which are just above the audible range, I have found that these can be increased into the Mhz range and in doing so the molecular structures of different molecules can infact be rearanged.

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Hi

I am so pleased you have started this thread, it is one of my passions. It is this type of frequency manipulation that I have been working on for many years.

Although most experimenters in this field use frequencies which are just above the audible range, I have found that these can be increased into the Mhz range and in doing so the molecular structures of different molecules can infact be rearanged.

Good luck with your experimenting

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Hello Mike!

I find it very exciting and something that could lead one down so many interesting paths. Did you ever hit SBSL? I have been looking at taking this in steps starting with tap water / distilled then onto Heavy water and Acetone.

Lots of exciting possibility. I have heard rumors of pea size bubbles that are thought to be over 1,000,000 degrees Celsius.

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Nice Thread

Exciting thread Altrez!!

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Hello All,

I am starting this thread in hopes to replicate a Sonofusion desktop reactor. I think a good starting point is here:

http://www.wbabin.net/physics/fitzgerald7.pdf
http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/Str...whenbubble.pdf
Bubble fusion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Directory:Sonofusion Reactor - PESWiki
http://www.physics.ucla.edu/Sonoluminescence/sono.pdf
http://www.pas.rochester.edu/~AdvLab...olum/sono1.pdf

I have started to build my dedicated reactor and have a $2000.00 budget on this project. My goal is to make this as simple as possible for others to replicate and share ideas an findings.

Any help would be great.



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Very Exciting

Very exciting to hear you have experience in this area. There are several of us now who have become very excited about the possibilities. Thanks for sharing your information!!

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I am so pleased you have started this thread, it is one of my passions. It is this type of frequency manipulation that I have been working on for many years.

Although most experimenters in this field use frequencies which are just above the audible range, I have found that these can be increased into the Mhz range and in doing so the molecular structures of different molecules can infact be rearanged.

Good luck with your experimenting

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Exciting thread Altrez!!
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Thank you I am glad you stopped in to say Hi

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Sonoluminescence: A Galaxy of Nanostars Created in a Beaker

More to come.. Very cool stuff,

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Moving on

Good to see the HHO discussion moving on. There is a lot more to it than one
limited method. There have been many threads dealing with the HHO topic. Mike's non electrolytic was another one. There seems to be more than one way to skin a cat , so to speak, and its good to see more areas being covered.

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Not sure if you've seen this on OU or not...

I'm not sure if you've seen it or not, but I just posted this on OU.

I figure, Sono-fusion would be accomplished by stacking on various higher frequency amplitudes on each other onto a single standing node. That last PDF you posted on OU was quite informative.

I can wish -- but I think It would take a slightly larger acoustic "focus point" might yeild a similar result, but with multiple pizeo's running at different frequncies. (like the bowl, but perhaps larger?)

From what I've read about keeley, those frequencies are dangerous to play with. Might you be experimenting with those at all? I plan to in the near future, but right now had a setback with that part of the project.

I was recently testing this idea with a basketball (sphere) -- in hindsight I should have calculated the geometries beforehand for the moulding, and also had a more controlled frequency generator for the pizeo.

If you've got the equipment for it, best of luck. I'll be keeping watch.

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We are aiming for 43 KHZ, right? Well, didn't keeley have other frequencies he liked to "stack" on too?

The way I see it, you'd be pushing all those waves into one spot @ 43 KHZ. When they all hit the same node at the same time, they induce the phase change. So how would you get a higher phase change? Higher frequencies would be stacked on within the same harmonic range. This means Sonofusion would simply be the collapse onto one point (or a very small point), but with additional higher/faster frequency amplitudes -- that way when the phase change is complete, you would have a higher resulting change, from the higher energy inut.

I say higher, and not more powerful/stronger (though they may be) -- because higher energy would need to be of a faster osculation than the primary frequency would be.

I am also under the impression that water, or any element for that matter -- would simply be different vibrating frequencies. By stimulating them at ultrasonic frequencies, I think we might be hitting an "undertone" of what the actual vibrating frequency. This would explain why the waves collapsing would induce the phase change. I perceive this, because they are adding power or energy to a much higher harmonic (vibrating rate). (Which, would be much faster than I can currently compare anything to.)

I'm chewing over some thoughts,
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Good to see the HHO discussion moving on. There is a lot more to it than one
limited method. There have been many threads dealing with the HHO topic. Mike's non electrolytic was another one. There seems to be more than one way to skin a cat , so to speak, and its good to see more areas being covered.

Good Luck Altrez

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Thank you FRC,

My goal with this project is to use a very well documented Scientific method for replication an testing. I hope to have enough information and parts over the next month to have this done by summer.

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I'm not sure if you've seen it or not, but I just posted this on OU.

I figure, Sono-fusion would be accomplished by stacking on various higher frequency amplitudes on each other onto a single standing node. That last PDF you posted on OU was quite informative.

I can wish -- but I think It would take a slightly larger acoustic "focus point" might yeild a similar result, but with multiple pizeo's running at different frequncies. (like the bowl, but perhaps larger?)

From what I've read about keeley, those frequencies are dangerous to play with. Might you be experimenting with those at all? I plan to in the near future, but right now had a setback with that part of the project.

I was recently testing this idea with a basketball (sphere) -- in hindsight I should have calculated the geometries beforehand for the moulding, and also had a more controlled frequency generator for the pizeo.

If you've got the equipment for it, best of luck. I'll be keeping watch.

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We are aiming for 43 KHZ, right? Well, didn't keeley have other frequencies he liked to "stack" on too?

The way I see it, you'd be pushing all those waves into one spot @ 43 KHZ. When they all hit the same node at the same time, they induce the phase change. So how would you get a higher phase change? Higher frequencies would be stacked on within the same harmonic range. This means Sonofusion would simply be the collapse onto one point (or a very small point), but with additional higher/faster frequency amplitudes -- that way when the phase change is complete, you would have a higher resulting change, from the higher energy inut.

I say higher, and not more powerful/stronger (though they may be) -- because higher energy would need to be of a faster osculation than the primary frequency would be.

I am also under the impression that water, or any element for that matter -- would simply be different vibrating frequencies. By stimulating them at ultrasonic frequencies, I think we might be hitting an "undertone" of what the actual vibrating frequency. This would explain why the waves collapsing would induce the phase change. I perceive this, because they are adding power or energy to a much higher harmonic (vibrating rate). (Which, would be much faster than I can currently compare anything to.)

I'm chewing over some thoughts,
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Hey Romo,

Thanks for the post. One word of caution sound can kill believe it or not. And once you start using amp's and real equipment it can be dangerous. The Military has done a lot of experiments with ultra / infra sonics.

http://www.sandv.com/downloads/0410vino.pdf
http://www.princeton.edu/sgs/publica...9_3altmann.pdf

The scary thing is you can build an acoustic weapon for less then a grand.

The bubble in Sonofusion once stabilized an tapped could provide clean safe power. Sonofusion can also provide you with a good neutron source when you start using other types of liquid.

I am waiting on a quote for the Piezoelectric Ceramics. The rest of the stuff I have or have access too.

You are close with your "vibrating frequencies" theory.

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Old 03-23-2011, 06:35 PM
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Very good step by step how-to:

Sonoluminescence experiment: sound into light

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Check this patent out.

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Old 03-24-2011, 11:56 AM
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Here is something very interesting..

"A photon of blue light given off by a single atom carries an energy of 3.5 electron volts. This is a trillion times more energy than any single atom in the tiny bubbles could have gained from the sound waves. He [Putterman] speculates that as each bubble implodes to about 1/100,000 of its original [size] volume, the energy and atoms in the bubble are concentrated to a tiny point."

Very interesting stuff.

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Update:

I just ordered the piezoelectric transducers from Channel Industries Piezoelectric Ceramics Sonoluminescence Kits Page
Price was $115 plus shipping.

Budget is now $1850.00

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Can anyone recommend a good audio amp for my replication?

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A Class D amp for sure

Try one from partexpress.com

maybe this one?
Kicker 100W Car Audio Stereo Input Sub Amp with Housing
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A Class D amp for sure

Try one from partexpress.com

maybe this one?
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Thank you I will check it out.
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I have found an amp that will do the job:

Amazon.com: Sure 4x100W @ 4 Ohm TK2050 Class-D Audio Amplifier Board: Electronics


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Amp is on its way!

Amazon.com: Sure 4x100W @ 4 Ohm TK2050 Class-D Audio Amplifier Board: Electronics

Now I was not sure what type of amp to purchases so I hope it works. I could not find any amp that said it supported Ultrasonics but I would think that as long as its a clean sine wave it should work.

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I am looking at this:

20 MHz Digital Function Signal Generator SFG-2120 - eBay (item 360356119846 end time Apr-09-11 15:24:21 PDT)

Does anyone see any issues with this? Can anyone recommend a better one that's cheaper?

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piezoelectric transducer's have arrived! I have attached a pic.

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Couple of questions

Hi altrez,

I have a couple of questions if you don't mind. What frequency are the piezo transducers designed for? Most of the piezo transducers I am familiar with only put out a strong signal on a very narrow range of frequencies. Earlier in the thread someone mentioned a frequency of around 47 khz. I am not sure where they got that as I have not read all the background material yet. According to the specs on the amplifier you ordered it is only rated to 20 khz before the output starts dropping off. I am afraid that at 47 khz your output may be down to almost nothing. If you are going to be using a power amp you can probably build a small oscillator circuit that can be tuned across the range you want and then you wouldn't need that expensive signal generator. I hope I am not discouraging you. You were asking for comments and these were some of the things I was wondering about as I was looking at your thread.

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Hi altrez,

I have a couple of questions if you don't mind. What frequency are the piezo transducers designed for? Most of the piezo transducers I am familiar with only put out a strong signal on a very narrow range of frequencies. Earlier in the thread someone mentioned a frequency of around 47 khz. I am not sure where they got that as I have not read all the background material yet. According to the specs on the amplifier you ordered it is only rated to 20 khz before the output starts dropping off. I am afraid that at 47 khz your output may be down to almost nothing. If you are going to be using a power amp you can probably build a small oscillator circuit that can be tuned across the range you want and then you wouldn't need that expensive signal generator. I hope I am not discouraging you. You were asking for comments and these were some of the things I was wondering about as I was looking at your thread.

Take care, Carroll
Hello citfta,

Thank you so much for taking the time to comment! The ones I am using have been tested up to 74.51 kHz. I only need between 20-25 kHz so the amp should give close to full power at that frequency.

When I move deep into the larger units a yet untested area in this field I will need to build a custom AMP that does not filter any of the output.

I have thought about building a small oscillator but really need the generator for some other projects as well. Once I can confirm what I need then I can simply build one near the right frequency for my reaction chamber.

I have a function gen that goes up to 2 MHz however its a bit dodgy and I don't want to spend hours of valuable lab time working with something that could cause lots of headaches.

With that being said I would love to find a good frequency generator for a cheaper price.

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Hi again,

Would something like this work for you?

GW Instek 2 MHz Function/Signal Generator GFG-8020H - eBay (item 270727738432 end time Apr-05-11 14:41:34 PDT)

I hope that link came through ok. I just did a search on Ebay for signal generator. There are several listed there. A lot of them were under a $100.

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Would something like this work for you?

GW Instek 2 MHz Function/Signal Generator GFG-8020H - eBay (item 270727738432 end time Apr-05-11 14:41:34 PDT)

I hope that link came through ok. I just did a search on Ebay for signal generator. There are several listed there. A lot of them were under a $100.

See ya, Carroll
Hey citfta,

That is the one I have now. It works but it will not hold a constant signal for very long. And looks dirty on my Scope.

Thanks again!

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Thanks again for sharing with me Altrez!!
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You are welcome if you need help with anything in sono let me know.



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I received my new amp today an have a 130db circuit ready to test. I will post some pics soon. Getting very close now =)

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Starting to get some parts together guys. Here is a pic of my amp. With any luck I should have the glassware in soon.

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