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Old 06-26-2011, 03:48 AM
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Memory of water?

When you fill the singing bowl with water and rim the bowl with the wand, it will take a few minutes of rimming before the water starts to rotate. By letting the water stand still for a few minutes after it's been rotating, then the water will quickly begin to rotate again in a matter of seconds after you start rimming. This leads most to believe water has a memory. I don't think it's the water which has memory, but it is the vibrations of the Patina embedded in the micro-groves of the wand which remain in resonance with the vibrations of the bowl for quite some time which gives the effects of water having a memory. This could be wrong, but I have a few tests to rule this idea in or out.

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Yes that make's complete sense GB, I am very glad my inadvertant discovery may have been more than just a curiosity. The Patina in the micro grooves and the rubbing around the rim should produce a highly polished surface on the rim of the bowl which is the main radiating/vibrating surface, and contrary to what many might first think a higly polished surface can have more drag/grip than a rough surface, like a shark skin is rough but less drag than smooth and the shark skin swimsuits the swimming athlete's sometime's wear for more speed.

Anyway it is the gripping and releasing many many times a second which causes the vibration, you could also try using a wand with a different "footprint" or contact area to the bowl. The smoother the edge the higher frequency should be possible and therefore more harmonics and resonance, I think.

Very interesting, and now I want a singing bowl. My new low voltage Tesla coils bite's. I am watching for more singing metal things. I am way above the frequencies I can hear now though. Maybe an undertone or something will show up in the Mug when I manage resonance with these new coils.

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OH GB did you try using a wooden spoon with the concave side down so that there are two contact points with the bowl ? Might be counter productive but that could give some more insight. Also did you try varying the distance between where you hold the wand and it's end.

I imagine if there is some give in the way the wand is gripped by the hand and the weight of the wand is correct and held at the right angle with the right amount of wand between the hand and the bowl and the footprint is correct and the rim and wand are used and therefore treated, the effect would be best and should be influeced to some degree by all those things and of course the water level.

Just some thoughts I thought i would share.

Does the water splash up onto the rim. And if so does it affect the operation of the bowl ?

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Yes that make's complete sense GB, I am very glad my inadvertant discovery may have been more than just a curiosity. The Patina in the micro grooves and the rubbing around the rim should produce a highly polished surface on the rim of the bowl which is the main radiating/vibrating surface, and contrary to what many might first think a higly polished surface can have more drag/grip than a rough surface, like a shark skin is rough but less drag than smooth and the shark skin swimsuits the swimming athlete's sometimes wear for more speed.
I think you're right about the Patina in the micro grooves producing a highly polished surface on the rim of the bowl, which helps to produce a vibrating surface between the wand and the bowl. The pressure of the wand against the bowl while rimming and the Patina in the micro grooves is similar to the honing process used in metalworking. Also, the surface of a honed workpiece or the rim of the bowl in this case could create micro grooves of different sizes into the wand according to the different frequencies generated by the bowl. I'm attaching an image below showing the surface of a honed workpiece to help visualize this.

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Anyway it is the gripping and releasing many many times a second which causes the vibration, you could also try using a wand with a different "footprint" or contact area to the bowl. The smoother the edge the higher frequency should be possible and therefore more harmonics and resonance, I think.
This makes sense. Near one end of the wand, the Patina is lighter in color while producing a higher frequency. As we move closer to the middle of the wand, then the Patina becomes much darker in color and more concentrated, while producing lower frequencies.

Thanks for the feedback. You've given me a lot to think about.

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OH GB did you try using a wooden spoon with the concave side down so that there are two contact points with the bowl ? Might be counter productive but that could give some more insight. Also did you try varying the distance between where you hold the wand and it's end.

I imagine if there is some give in the way the wand is gripped by the hand and the weight of the wand is correct and held at the right angle with the right amount of wand between the hand and the bowl and the footprint is correct and the rim and wand are used and therefore treated, the effect would be best and should be influeced to some degree by all those things and of course the water level.

Just some thoughts I thought i would share.

Does the water splash up onto the rim. And if so does it affect the operation of the bowl ?

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I haven't tried a wooden spoon with two contact points, but I'll give it a try. The sound does change according to where you hold the wand relative to it's end. With my bowl, I can get the water to rotate, but I haven't been too successful in getting the water to pop and jump out all over the place. Sometimes I can feel small water droplets hitting my arm, but nothing like some of the videos I have seen on youtube. I think if I have a professionally made wand, then I will have much better results. From my experience, if the rim or the location of the wand which is making contact with the bowl gets wet, then it does affect the operation. The water appears to rotate easier at lower frequencies (at least with my bowl).

I have plans to put the singing bowl on a motor, and have it rotate at very low RPM's while making contact with a stationary wand and a spring to keep a constant pressure against the rim. I have tried this with a rotor which I spun by hand, and it does work. Hopefully in the following weeks I'll take some videos.

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I have plans to put the singing bowl on a motor, and have it rotate at very low RPM's while making contact with a stationary wand and a spring to keep a constant pressure against the rim. I have tried this with a rotor which I spun by hand, and it does work. Hopefully in the following weeks I'll take some videos.

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Hey thats a good idea ! Save a lot of work haha. Awesome, a motorised singing bowl.
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Hey thats a good idea ! Save a lot of work haha. Awesome, a motorised singing bowl.
Yes, this will save me a lot of work (I was thinking the same thing).

In addition to this, the motorized singing bowl will also free my hands so I can do tests and experiments I otherwise wouldn't be able to do.



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Prediction

Generally, the water will rotate in the same direction as the wand. For example, if the wand is moving CW around the bowl, then the water will rotate CW with the wand (no relative motion between the wand and the water, but relative motion between the water and the bowl). An interesting question arises, in which direction the water will rotate when the bowl is rotated while the wand is stationary? There are 3 possible outcomes.

Possible outcomes:

1.) The water will rotate in the same direction as the bowl and there won't be any relative motion between the water and the bowl.

2.) The water will remain stationary with the wand regardless of which direction the bowl is rotated. No relative motion between the wand and the water, but there will be relative motion between the water and the bowl. This is inline when the bowl is stationary while the wand is rotated.

3.) The water will rotate in the opposite direction as the bowl. There will be both relative motion between the bowl and the water, and also relative motion between the water and the wand. I don't think this will hold true.

My prediction is # 2. Please post and share your prediction.

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Very interesting GB,

I predict that part of the water will want to remain rotating with the bowl and cause turbulance then a vortex.

Because the water will imediately begin to rotate with the bowl, then when resonance is reached or the state which make's the water rotate normally is reached the vibration will try to rotate the water the other way, the resulting forces will be transfered towards the center by "shear action" all the while the bowl is rotating away from the point of force so a helical type force may result.

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I'm with farmhand on this one , you'll have the same physical occurrence as described by Viktor Schauberger:

this is a double spiral




now that i look at it, i think that the engraved designs also play a role (like the guide vane in the drawing)
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You guys may be right. We'll make that #4.

4.) Vortex/helical/double spiral

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Hi GB, Interesting things you guys are doing here. I was wondering if anyone has done experimenting with Ormus or M-state water in their bowls? I remember reading somewhere that the ancients did not use just any water in their bowls, but instead collected it in special places, perhaps from an artesian spring, or a water fall. These waters may hold special earthly memories or properties. I now am keeping my eye open for a singing bowl.
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Hi GB, Interesting things you guys are doing here. I was wondering if anyone has done experimenting with Ormus or M-state water in their bowls? I remember reading somewhere that the ancients did not use just any water in their bowls, but instead collected it in special places, perhaps from an artesian spring, or a water fall. These waters may hold special earthly memories or properties. I now am keeping my eye open for a singing bowl.
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I like where you are going with this idea....

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Tibetan Singing Bowls Make Water Levitate (Video)

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An experimental investigation of the fluid dynamics of Tibetan singing bowls has showed their acoustic behavior is similar to wine glasses, and can even cause water droplets to levitate.

The bowls originate from fifth century rituals in the Tibetan Himalayas, and are typically made from a bronze alloy. They produce a rich sound or song when the sides and rim are struck or rubbed with a mallet.

Two scientists filled the bowls with water and filmed the vibrational patterns that arise. The high-speed camera showed how surface waves formed, creating water droplets that break away from, and bounce on the fluid surface.
YouTube - ‪Watching Tibetan bowls sing‬‏


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Just a thought i would like to have your point of view on:

i was reading through the history and uses of singing bowl and a phrase caught my eyes:

Singing bowl - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Singing bowls are unique because they are multiphonic instruments, producing multiple harmonic overtones at the same time. The overtones are a result of using an alloy consisting of multiple metals, each producing its own overtone.[citation needed] New bowls can also produce multiple harmonic overtones if they are high quality bronze, but many are made from a simpler alloy and produce only a principal tone and one harmonic overtone.
isn't that the principle of a system becoming fractal in frequencies/Resonance

now here is my question:

We know how to produce manually (singing bowl) fractal frequency, how would you translate that into a circuit?

it has to use the same principles as the singing bowl


Sound spectrum of a modern flute with a B foot played using fingering for the multiphonic C5 & D#6.



Fractals: frequency, the heart, and cancer

YouTube - ‪Fractals: frequency, the heart, and cancer‬‏

This knowledge is not new as you will see:

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The Law of Octaves was first suggested by Pythagoras in ancient Greece. Having observed that the eight notes of the conventional Occidental musical scale were governed by definite mathematical relationships, Pythagoras proceeded to create a whole cosmology based on 8s. In this octagonal model Pythagoras made numerous mistakes, because he was generalizing from insufficient data. However, his work was the first attempt in history to unify science, mathematics, art and mysticism into one comprehensible system and as such is still influential. Leary, Crowley and Buckminster Fuller have all described themselves as modern Pythagoreans.
The Octave of Energy

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Nikolai Tesla invented the alternating current generator which unleashed the modern technological revolution after a series of visions in which, among other things, Tesla "saw" that everything in the universe obeys a law of Octaves.
The Octave of Energy

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We have already seen that Nikola Tesla, in the visions from which he deduced the mechanism of alternating current, also intuited a basic law of Octaves governing universal energy.
| Robert Anton Wilson, 1977
and we're back to fractal/fractal frequencies....

see also: http://www.energeticforum.com/144803-post49.html

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Ormus and Magnecules

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Hi GB, Interesting things you guys are doing here. I was wondering if anyone has done experimenting with Ormus or M-state water in their bowls? I remember reading somewhere that the ancients did not use just any water in their bowls, but instead collected it in special places, perhaps from an artesian spring, or a water fall. These waters may hold special earthly memories or properties. I now am keeping my eye open for a singing bowl.
Just some thoughts, Gene
This is a good idea. Does anyone know of a good source to buy Ormus relatively cheap, or possibly a very informative link on how to make this M-state water. I've also been looking at water having a magnecular structure based around Santilli's discoveries.

The new chemical species of Santilli Magnecules.

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Non-Newtonian Fluid

I tested a non-newtonian fluid (corn-starch and water) in the singing bowl without much success. I may redo this experiment though cause I don't think I got the viscosity or the level correct. My g/f however did make a good observation. After I was done with this experiment, I poured the corn-starch and water into a metal cooking pan and left it in the kitchen sink overnight. My g/f wanted to throw it out the next day, but I wanted to repeat the experiment, so I asked her to save it. The next day it started to smell and she said it was rotten, so she clean the pan really good and threw out the non-newtonian fluid. She used this same pan to boil water for some noodles. To her surprise, the water wouldn't come to a full boil. The pan was hot enough to cause it to wobble back and forth on the burner, but it never would come to a full boil. The water boiled slightly right in the middle of the pan on full heat without the noodles, and that was it (the burners were glowing red hot). I may try to reproduce this experiment to get to the exact cause of this. This may not have anything to do with the singing bowl, and the corn-starch may be the root cause.

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You can buy Ormus here Blue Water Alchemy | Buy the ORMUS
Check out the vids near the bottom of the bluewater page. Weird Science for sure.
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If it is for experimentation sake, check out youtube for DIY Ormus.

YouTube - ‪How to make Ormus‬‏

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Using Dead Sea Salts minerals from water are coagulated by increasing pH with Sodium Hydroxide. Salt available at: Dead Sea Salt. Produces a tonic for plant and animal matter.
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It also looks like you could make your own Ormus. Vortex Trap
But this has nothing to do with sea salt, so what really makes Ormus---Ormus?
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It also looks like you could make your own Ormus. Vortex Trap
But this has nothing to do with sea salt, so what really makes Ormus---Ormus?
Gene
p.s. these things I found thanks to MonsieurM.


To answer your question, we'll have to test both type of "ormus" in a singing bowl, and see how it goes yeah more experiments.

personally, i have an idea for an experiment i want to run with the salt water ormus (easier to make ) on An Electrostatic Experiment of Lord Kelvin. I also have a tourmaline (also known as electric crystal) filters on which i will try too with the kelvin experiment

this is a commentary about ORMUS:

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Paramagnetic soils exhibit paramagnetic properties. The ORMUS elements also exhibit paramagnetic properties. Dr. Callahan claims that the paramagnetic soils help to couple plants to at atmospheric electromagnetic energy. The ORMUS elements provide a superconductive resonance coupling effect inside biological systems.
http://www.stealthskater.com/Documents/ORMEs_09.pdf

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Just a thought i would like to have your point of view on:

i was reading through the history and uses of singing bowl and a phrase caught my eyes:

Singing bowl - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



isn't that the principle of a system becoming fractal in frequencies

now here is my question:

We know how to produce manually (singing bowl) fractal frequency, how would you translate that into a circuit?

it has to use the same principles as the singing bowl


Sound spectrum of a modern flute with a B foot played using fingering for the multiphonic C5 & D#6.



Fractals: frequency, the heart, and cancer

YouTube - ‪Fractals: frequency, the heart, and cancer‬‏

This knowledge is not new as you will see:



The Octave of Energy



The Octave of Energy



and we're back to fractal/fractal frequencies....

see also: http://www.energeticforum.com/144803-post49.html

transfering some info from How to build a water coil
------this is a commentary about ORMUS:

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Paramagnetic soils exhibit paramagnetic properties. The ORMUS elements also exhibit paramagnetic properties. Dr. Callahan claims that the paramagnetic soils help to couple plants to at atmospheric electromagnetic energy. The ORMUS elements provide a superconductive resonance coupling effect inside biological systems.
http://www.stealthskater.com/Documents/ORMEs_09.pdf



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I have been talking about Fractal structure and fractal frequancies but there was one concept i haven't talked about:

FRACTAL RESONANCE: i found this:

Richard Weaver, New Directions in Linear Acoustics and Vibration: Quantum Chaos, Random Matrix Theory and Complexity

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Linear acoustics was thought to be fully encapsulated in physics texts of the 1950s, but this view has been changed by developments in physics during the last four decades. There is a significant new amount of theory that can be used to address problemsi n linear acoustics and vibration, but only a small amount of reported work does so. This book is an attempt to bridge the gap between theoreticians and practitioners, as well as the gap between quantum and acoustic. Tutorial chapters provide introductions to each of the major aspects of the physical theory and are written using the appropriate terminology of the acoustical community. The book will act as a quick-start guide to the new methods while providing a wide-ranging introduction to the physical concepts
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...We give an overview of wave scattering in complex geometries, where the corresponding
rays are typically chaotic. In the high-frequency regime, a number of
universal (geometry-independent) properties that are described by random matrix
theory emerge.
Asymptotic methods based on the underlaying rays explain this universality
and are able to go beyond it to account for geometry-specific effects. We
discuss in this context statistics of the scattering matrix, scattering states, the fractal
Weyl law for resonances, and fractal resonance wavefunctions.
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real world application of fractal resonance

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I also tried the eXpress 2122 Series 2 Power AC Enhancing cable. This power cord incorporates newly-discovered fractal resonance control technology that provides a cleaner AC load to the power supplies of components. The cord incorporates a bulbous attachment that contains an aluminum body covered in plastic. It looks strange, but how does it sound? In one word INCREDIBLE! Plugging this cable into my CD transport caused a haze or film to be removed from the sound. As good as the Eichmann interconnects were, the AC cable was even better! The difference the eXpress power cable made was amazing, especially since it replaced a top-of-the-line Onix Statement power cord costing over two times as much. The Eichmann AC cord doesnt restrain or restrict the sound, as do some of the heavily-shielded power cords that I have tried. Vocals were full and natural. Rim shots, high hats, and triangles had a natural shimmer, with unbelievable sense of air, transparency, focus, and detail. Bass had great weight and authority, with superior clarity and definition. John Mayers Room For Squares had me tapping my toes from start to finish, as the dynamics were better than I had ever heard in my system. The Eichmann Series 2AC cord did a better job of engaging me in the music than any power cable I have tried to date. Unfortunately, I only had one! I imagine that similar improvements in my system could be realized by running another to the preamp and two more to my monoblock amplifiers
Eichmann Technologies International ETI eXpress AC-power cable

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Power AC Enhancing Cable

An extruded length of aluminium, hard wired into the AC
mains power path, mechanically dissipates resonances
and high frequency ‘noise’ found typically on AC mains.
Fractal math, used to determine the shape and length of
the extrusion, very cleverly causes HF resonances and
electrical ‘noise’ to play themselves out passively–as
opposed to being filtered electrically.


And because there are no capacitors, inductors, or other
electronic components in AC power path there are no
added reactances to negatively affect the power supplies
of the connected components. The eXpress AC Cable has
high current capability which makes it suitable for the most
demanding amplifiers or systems.

When a component’s power supply works more efficiently
sound quality is improved.
if it can mechanically dissipates resonances
and high frequency ‘noise’ found typically on AC mains.
Fractal math, used to determine the shape and length of
the extrusion, very cleverly causes HF resonances and
electrical ‘noise’ to play themselves out passively–as
opposed to being filtered electrically
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it can do the opposite...logic, no? (ie singing bowl)

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Based on what i just posted, and more research that i have not posted, i would go even further as to say:

Fractal resonance is the cause and Spacial resonance is the effect

Nikola Tesla's earthquake machine (btw: earthquakes are fractal too...see Fractals, fractures and faults - seismology Fractals, fractures and faults - seismology | Science News | Find Articles at BNET )

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"I was experimenting with vibrations. I had one of my machines going and I wanted to see if I could get it in tune with the vibration of the building. I put it up notch after notch. There was a peculiar cracking sound.
Tesla's Earthquake Machine



An electrostatic spatial resonance model for coaxial helical structures with applications to the filamentous bacteriophages.

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It is found that coaxial helices with optimally mated symmetries can lock into spatial resonance configurations that maximize their interaction. The resonances are represented as vectors in a discrete three-dimensional space[

Fractal resonance is the cause and Spacial resonance is the effect

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Tesla on sound and vibrations

MonsieurM and Gene, Thanks for the information on the ormus and the fractals. Tesla did a lot research and experiments into sound and vibrations. Below are just a few quotes by him. I think we have over-looked the main operating principals in some of his devices, which is sound and vibrations.

Nikola Tesla On His Work With Alternating Currents (Page 14)
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That oscillator [Fig. 29] was one of high frequency for isochronous work, and I used it in many ways. The machine, you see, comprised a magnetic frame. The energizing coil, which is removed, produced a strong magnetic field in this region. I calculated the dimensions of the field to make it as intense as possible. There was a powerful tongue of steel which carried a conductor at the extreme end. When it was vibrated, it generated oscillations in the wire. The tongue was so rigid that a special arrangement was provided for giving it a blow; then it would start, and the air pressure would keep it going. The vibrating mechanical system would fall into synchronism with the electrical, and I would get isochronous currents from it. That was a machine of high frequency that emitted a note about like a mosquito. It was something like 4,000 or 5,000. It gave a pitch nearly that of my alternator of the [first] type which I have described.

Of course this device was not intended for a big output, but simply to give me, when operating in connection with receiving circuits, isochronous currents. The excursions of the tongue were so small that one could not see it oscillate, but when the finger was pressed against it the vibration was felt.
Nikola Tesla On His Work With Alternating Currents (Page 18)
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The radio men who came after me had the problem before them of making a bell sound, and they immersed it in mercury. Now, you know mercury is heavy. When they struck their bell, the mercury did not permit it to vibrate long because it took away all the energy. I put my bell in a vacuum and make it vibrate for hours. I have designed circuits in connection with an enterprise in 1898 for transmission of energy which, once started, would vibrate three years, and even after that the oscillations could still be detected.
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I will explain it by an analogue. Suppose that the earth were an elastic bag filled with water. My transmitter is equivalent to a pump. I put it on a point of the globe, and work my little piston so as to create a disturbance of that water. If the piston moves slowly, so that the time is long enough for the disturbance to spread over the globe, then what will be the result of my working this pump? The result will be that the bag will expand and contract rhythmic ally with the motions of the piston, you see. So that, at any point of that bag, there will be a rhythmical movement due to the pulsations of the pump.

That is only, however, when the period is long. If I were to work this pump very rapidly, then I would create impulses, and the ripples would spread in circles over the surface of the globe. The globe will no longer expand and contract in its entirety, but it will be subject to these outgoing, rippling waves. Remember, now, that the water is incompressible, that the bag is perfectly elastic, that there are no hysteretic losses in the bag due to these expansions and contractions; and remember also, that there is a vacuum, in infinite space, so that the energy can not be lost in waves of sound. Then, if I put at a distant point another little pump, and tune it to the rhythmical pulses of the pump at the central plant, I will excite strong vibrations and will recover power from them, sufficient to operate a receiver.
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I usually would transform the current in the receiving circuit and make as close a connection as possible and then tune the circuit to the vibrations. I would also mechanically tune the wire, according to the frequency, to the same note or to a fundamental. This machine was suitable for transportation. I could put it under my arm with a couple of batteries. I had relays, which were very big, in which I produced (for stationary work) a very intense magnetic field so as to affect the conductor by the feeblest current. Furthermore, I used these relays particularly in connection with beats. When the frequencies were very high, I combined two frequencies very nearly alike. That gave me a low beat. One of the frequencies I sometimes produced at the receiving station, and at other times at both the receiving and transmitting stations. This always gave me the means of producing an audible note.
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"I consider this extremely important," said Mr. Tesla. "Light cannot be anything else but a longitudinal disturbance in the ether, involving alternate compressions and rarefactions. In other words, light can be nothing else than a sound wave in the ether."
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Nikola Tesla and Swami Vivekananda

The meeting with Swami Vivekananda greatly stimulated Nikola Tesla's interest in Eastern Science. Tesla became familiar with the Vedic science of the eastern Nations of India, Tibet, and Nepal.

In a letter to a friend, dated February 13th, 1896, Swami Vivekananda noted the following:..."Mr. Tesla was charmed to hear about the Vedantic Prana and Akasha and the Kalpas, which according to him are the only theories modern science can entertain....."

Tesla's research into sound, vibrations, the ether, etc. may have been inspired by the Vedic science through the introduction of a long and nearly self-sustained sound coming from the vibrations of a singing bowl. This is speculation on my part, but he was heavily influenced in the teachings and in the culture where the singing bowls most likely originated from.

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MonsieurM and Gene, Thanks for the information on the ormus and the fractals. Tesla did a lot research and experiments into sound and vibrations. Below are just a few quotes by him. I think we have over-looked the main operating principals in some of his devices, which is sound and vibrations.

]Tesla Sees Evidence Radio and Light Are Sound[/URL] (Page 2)
thank you gravityblock for this info:

this is exactly what i've been trying to point out and i truly believe that he understood that sound is just a "first dimension fractal " of the other electromagnetic waves (remember the universe is fractal )...meaning that all electromagnetic waves are fractally connected to each other. and the link connecting them is vibration frequency

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"I consider this extremely important," said Mr. Tesla. "Light cannot be anything else but a longitudinal disturbance in the ether, involving alternate compressions and rarefactions. In other words, light can be nothing else than a sound wave in the ether."

"a first degree fractal" design" (vertical figure) (this is just an illustration of what i just said )

the electromagnetic spectrum



as above so below...again

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or the electromagnetic spectrum is also a Fractal/Constructal system

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The constructal law puts forth the idea that the generation of design (configuration, pattern, geometry) in nature is a physics phenomenon that unites all animate and inanimate systems, and that this phenomenon is covered by the Constructal Law stated by Adrian Bejan in 1996: "For a finite-size (flow) system to persist in time (to live), its configuration must evolve such that it provides easier access to the imposed currents that flow through it."

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If you place an iron rod in a dark room and cause it to vibrate at first you'll only be able to tell it is vibrating by touching it.

Increasing the vibration to 32Hz will produce a loud and shrill sound and vibration can now be detected by both touch and hearing. Increase that vibration to 40Hz and you can no longer detect the vibration by touch or sound.

If you increase the vibration to 1.5MHz you cannot feel or hear the vibration but you can detect the vibration though the rise in temperature in the iron first warm and then the iron rod will glow red hot and can be detected by sight.

At 3MHz the rod is now producing violet light; increasing the vibration more will produce ultra-violet rays and other invisible radiations that can only be detected by special instruments.

There are so many "vibrations" flowing all around us that are invisible to our 5 senses who can tell how they affect us. Uranium emits and invisible radiation that will kill you. You cannot see it but it is there and kills. Who is to say how the other radiation affects the body and mind.

Isn't it possible that the mind radiates its own wireless transmissions that are received by other minds but we just are unaware of that as of yet. There is no scientific proof for or against this theory, yet so many people will just to the conclusion that it cannot exist. There are among the same people that would have disbelieved radio existed before it was proven that is does exist.

You MUST keep an open mind and use these methods as those successful have already used them to achieve success. Who are you willing to believe, those who have not succeeded or those who have?
Dr. Alexander Graham Bell

want to know how vast the electromagnetic spectrum is , Richard Hammonds does an excellent presentation (starts at 10 min):

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Nikola Tesla and Swami Vivekananda

The meeting with Swami Vivekananda greatly stimulated Nikola Tesla's interest in Eastern Science. Tesla became familiar with the Vedic science of the eastern Nations of India, Tibet, and Nepal.

In a letter to a friend, dated February 13th, 1896, Swami Vivekananda noted the following:..."Mr. Tesla was charmed to hear about the Vedantic Prana and Akasha and the Kalpas, which according to him are the only theories modern science can entertain....."

Tesla's research into sound, vibrations, the ether, etc. may have been inspired by the Vedic science through the introduction of a long and nearly self-sustained sound coming from the vibrations of a singing bowl. This is speculation on my part, but he was heavily influenced in the teachings and in the culture where the singing bowls most likely originated from.

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remember that at the time of Dr Tesla living in New York, a big craze for eastern philosophy was happening, and one of the most famous one being:

Helena Petrovna Blavatsky (Russian: Елена Петровна Блаватская, Ukrainian: Олена Петрівна Блаватська), (born as Helena von Hahn (Russian: Елена Петровна Ган, Ukrainian: Олена Петрівна Ган); 12 August [O.S. 31 July] 1831, Yekaterinoslav, Yekaterinoslav, Russian Empire (today Dnipropetrovsk, Ukraine) – died 8 May 1891, London, Great Britain) was a founder of Theosophy and the Theosophical Society.[1]

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FYI: I never read any of her books, i'm just pointing you to the social environment in which Dr Tesla lived in...it is not enough to just focus on his achievements to understand how he got to make his discoveries...

so i do agree with you gravityblock when you say

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The first published translation of any portion of the Rigveda in any Western language was into Latin, by Friedrich August Rosen (Rigvedae specimen, London 1830). Predating Müller's editio princeps of the text, Rosen was working from manuscripts brought back from India by Colebrooke.

H. H. Wilson was the first to make a complete translation of the Rig Veda into English, published in six volumes during the period 1850–88.[48] Wilson's version was based on the commentary of Sāyaṇa. In 1977, Wilson's edition was enlarged by Nag Sharan Singh (Nag Publishers, Delhi, 2nd ed. 1990).

In 1889, Ralph T.H. Griffith published his translation as The Hymns of the Rig Veda, published in London (1889).[49]
During 1892 and 1893 this lecture with additional data and experiments was repeated in London, Paris, Philadelphia and St. Louis.

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