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Old 01-03-2011, 12:39 AM
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I have over a dozen free energy devices in my home! How many do you have?

CFT- (Collapsing Field Technology) - Updated 2008

Looking at at the common transformer, and how it works, supplies the answer.


In any kind of transformer, electricity is transferred between the two coils by the magnetic field. When a coil is initially powered up or switched off, that coil creates a magnetic field which causes an initial rush of electricity, usually called a 'voltage spike.'


In conventional electronics, this voltage spike is suppressed to protect the other components from damage. In collapsing field technology (CFT), that voltage spike is harnessed, not suppressed.


If I take a DC signal generator power supply, and connect it to the primary of the transformer, I can make a generator of sorts.


I'll turn on the DC signal in the primary coil windings for just an instant, and then turn it off.
In the secondary there is a flux linkage following of the primary signal that is some 90% of the input power.


But we can recover also, the secondary's field collapse for an additional 90% of input power.


Thus, any transformer secondary will produce about 180% of the input power in this mode, with a gradually applied quarter sine or sawtooth wave shape. input DC signal.


But wait, we are throwing recoverable power away in the primary coil winding's field collapse. By applying the DC power input signal and then , when the input power is cut off, switch the primary winding's field collapse to the output also, the primary field collapse contributes at least another 90% to the output, for a grand total of about 270% gain, in this design.


The DC power signal must only take primary winding up and then let go (open ) at the top voltage.
Thus, the primary can be switched to the output to recover it's field collapse, that is in synchronozation with the secondary's field collapse.


Simple electronic switching can accomplish all of these functions, at little power usage and low cost.Therefore, the gain of a transformer over-unity generator would probably be about 250% output power to input power, and no mechanical motion needed.


Many old motors and generators could be adapted to the transformer design, given above.


The armature must be fixed permanently stationary and the air gap between armature and field coils filled with iron filings. The air gap iron filings, or iron powder filling is to make the best use of the primary's ( armature ) full flux power.


This makes for best transformer action and the highest power gain possible with this conversion design.


Cooling, through holes, can be left in the air gap if necessary in these units. The external switching electronic circuitry is the same as common transformer design, above.


All we have done is to turn the motor / generator into a reasonable transformer.


What is happening in this design is that for one"up"( power signal ) in the primary coil, we get the "up" ( field build ) in the secondary coil and the " downs" ( field collapses ) of both the secondary and primary coil as output power


Think of the primary coils as coupled "springs" and it will all be clear.


This transformer / generator design has been the nature of electromagnetic coils all the time--we just never saw it.


And if the unit is actuated 60 times a second, allowing for the counter-electromotive force field collapses, it makes the standard household 60Hz electrical generator.


This design concept is the natural last step after recovery of secondary collapses was introduced in generator designs.


The same gain principle and results could then be achieved in capacitor systems.


The charge (up ) cycle from the secondary plate and the two discharge cycles from both the secondary and primary plates would be the output power.


The basic external switching electronics is generally the same as in the transformer designs.


These designs are in the basic nature of energy storage / transfer elements---one input allows for the utility of the one input transfer and the two storage collapses or discharges as output power ( about 300% gain ).


Full article here:Converting Off - Shelf Generators


Thoughts?????

Circuits??????
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If that is the case why not just leave the Gas powered motor out of the equation....

and just do it with transformers
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Hi bobo36us,

Here's a clip of what happened when I played with a small transformer.

YouTube - Small Toroid-2-1.wmv

Is this similar to what you are talking about ?

Cheers

P.S. I forgot to mention I didn't notice any obvious power gain, or anything.

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Full article

The full article concepts seem similar to Dr. Peter Lindemann's Electric Motor
Secrets I and II.


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Transformer

Bobos36 is saying the truth I feel but the thing is how to apply this. One should have a switching circuit to the tranformer and measuring freq to 60hz for home use.
Do you know of a circuit that one can hook to a tranformer and does what you're saying Bobos36?
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The collapse of the field is on the transformer and not on the primary pr secondary, don't you know what is boost mode?

However what you are saying is not very clear nor right. This voltage spike is the kick back effect, with has to do with the time of the discharge.

You can only concentrate energy in that way not generate. I talked about this some time ago.
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YOU ARE CORRECT, and here is how it can be done:

Take DC motor with long shaft preferrably non magnetic with magnetic core of stator.Wind 3 times more turnd on wire coils on stator elements and connect those coils in series or parallel as you wish. Make a sliprings on shaft and connect that coils to them.

Apply DC voltage.Motor has to be running.Get AC current from sliprings, use transformer and diode bridge to conver part of output power to DC and self-power device.You have to stabilize DC voltage to not burn motor-generator.

Enjoy!

You can also take mechnical power from motor .

Who would like to describe how it may run ?
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Farmhand, I will try to draw a picture of what I think the author is talking about. In the meantime, check this out: YouTube - MIT Dr. Zahn Bi-Toroid Transformer (BITT) Tutorial 101.mov

After a quick search, I see it has been discussed on here before, but just in case you haven't seen it, I thought I would post the link again.

Patrick Kelly also does a good job of describing what's going on here (Page 7):
http://free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapter3.pdf




boguslaw........what would that circuit look like?
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I like this thread !

YOU ARE CORRECT, and here is how it can be done:

Take DC motor with long shaft preferrably non magnetic with magnetic core of stator.Wind 3 times more turnd on wire coils on stator elements and connect those coils in series or parallel as you wish. Make a sliprings on shaft and connect that coils to them.

Apply DC voltage.Motor has to be running.Get AC current from sliprings, use transformer and diode bridge to conver part of output power to DC and self-power device.You have to stabilize DC voltage to not burn motor-generator.

Enjoy!

You can also take mechnical power from motor .

Who would like to describe how it may run ?
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DC motor is run on impulses generated by commutator.We are combining transformer action with rotor action and magnetic induction plus collapsing magnetic field action. Output = 3 times input.

In theory of course

Check Alexander patent from 1975. The same idea was used in Hendershot and Hubbard and Lockridge devices ...and plenty others were made with just rotating magnetic field instead of rotating permanent magnets.
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I like this thread !

YOU ARE CORRECT, and here is how it can be done:

Take DC motor with long shaft preferrably non magnetic with magnetic core of stator.Wind 3 times more turnd on wire coils on stator elements and connect those coils in series or parallel as you wish. Make a sliprings on shaft and connect that coils to them.

Apply DC voltage.Motor has to be running.Get AC current from sliprings, use transformer and diode bridge to conver part of output power to DC and self-power device.You have to stabilize DC voltage to not burn motor-generator.

Enjoy!

You can also take mechnical power from motor .

Who would like to describe how it may run ?


ALEXANDER-Motor-Generator!!
You have done it, too?

Congratulations!!
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US3913004 patent

I was totally crushed by this patent,how simple it is. It proves magnetic field is free and not used up in transformer action.
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No I have not done it yet but I'm sure it is easy enough and I will try as soon as I find any decent DC motor.
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very interesting patent.

Did you tried replicate it?

Seems like the idea i had about the dc motor...

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very interesting patent.

Did you tried replicate it?

Seems like the idea i had about the dc motor...

Thanks
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Seems like they replicated it, they have dozens free energy devices

About your dc motor, if you are referring to the post where I posted, it reminds me more the newman motor than this one... newman = lot of coil, little power... don't you think the same?
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CFT- (Collapsing Field Technology) - Updated 2008

I'll turn on the DC signal in the primary coil windings for just an instant, and then turn it off.
In the secondary there is a flux linkage following of the primary signal that is some 90% of the input power.


But we can recover also, the secondary's field collapse for an additional 90% of input power.


Thus, any transformer secondary will produce about 180% of the input power in this mode, with a gradually applied quarter sine or sawtooth wave shape. input DC signal.


But wait, we are throwing recoverable power away in the primary coil winding's field collapse. By applying the DC power input signal and then , when the input power is cut off, switch the primary winding's field collapse to the output also, the primary field collapse contributes at least another 90% to the output, for a grand total of about 270% gain, in this design.


Thoughts?????

Circuits??????
hi bobo36us,

This is exactly what I have in my schematic.Significant of short pulsing

The accumulation and collapsing of secondary is 200% ideal total + recovery of 100% ideal for 300% ideal energy. However, I don't think you can collect energy from the secondary by inductive coupling method. Besides that, there is a maximum amount of energy you can recover if you pulse your coil longer than certain time constant. This 200% ideal energy is also so fast at short pulse that it's hard for the diode to follow. There is also much radiation leakage. I agree with you 99.9%.

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No I have not done it yet but I'm sure it is easy enough and I will try as soon as I find any decent DC motor.

Happy New Year to Everyone!

Hi boguslaw,
Hi sebosfato,

2 ˝ years ago I converted a bigger 12V starter motor into an Alexander-Motor-Generator. I then had very little idea of the topic. Anyway, I took a thinner magnet wire and reduced the number of DC rotor windings. For the now unfilled slot parts, I added the (secondary) AC windings. Not sure anymore about the ratio of number DC windings to number AC windings. The stator stayed unchanged. When DC voltage was applied to the motor, the AC windings made voltage. When loading the AC windings from 0 to some load to more load up to short cut, there was no significant change in behaviour of the DC motor. It only speeded a little tiny bit up. So, I SUPPOSE there is no influence from the secondary to the primary. I did NOT made any measuring!

More then 2 years ago and forgotten……… . Until yesterday.

If my two favourite projects fail, I will go back to the Alexander-Motor-Generator.

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Happy New Year to Everyone!

Hi boguslaw,
Hi sebosfato,

2 ˝ years ago I converted a bigger 12V starter motor into an Alexander-Motor-Generator. I then had very little idea of the topic. Anyway, I took a thinner magnet wire and reduced the number of DC rotor windings. For the now unfilled slot parts, I added the (secondary) AC windings. Not sure anymore about the ratio of number DC windings to number AC windings. The stator stayed unchanged. When DC voltage was applied to the motor, the AC windings made voltage. When loading the AC windings from 0 to some load to more load up to short cut, there was no significant change in behaviour of the DC motor. It only speeded a little tiny bit up. So, I SUPPOSE there is no influence from the secondary to the primary. I did NOT made any measuring!

More then 2 years ago and forgotten……… . Until yesterday.

If my two favourite projects fail, I will go back to the Alexander-Motor-Generator.

Best regards
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Nice... any idea of the power input and the load? Not even approximately?

It seemed to me a very good idea.
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Happy New Year to Everyone!

Hi boguslaw,
Hi sebosfato,

2 ˝ years ago I converted a bigger 12V starter motor into an Alexander-Motor-Generator. I then had very little idea of the topic. Anyway, I took a thinner magnet wire and reduced the number of DC rotor windings. For the now unfilled slot parts, I added the (secondary) AC windings. Not sure anymore about the ratio of number DC windings to number AC windings. The stator stayed unchanged. When DC voltage was applied to the motor, the AC windings made voltage. When loading the AC windings from 0 to some load to more load up to short cut, there was no significant change in behavior of the DC motor. It only speeded a little tiny bit up. So, I SUPPOSE there is no influence from the secondary to the primary. I did NOT made any measuring!

More then 2 years ago and forgotten……… . Until yesterday.

If my two favorite projects fail, I will go back to the Alexander-Motor-Generator.

Best regards
magneto
Dear Magneto,

The Alexander Machine has been an enigma for decades. When the topic came up in the Lockridge thread, this was my reply (in Post #134):

In 1983 I was living in Santa Barbara California and working with Bruce DePalma. When the Alexander patent first surfaced, Bruce called him on the phone, as he was in Pasadena. Alexander said he wanted $250,000 for a demonstration of the machine. When DePalma said he could raise the money quickly, Alexander said, "in that case, the price just went up!". The phone call ended shortly thereafter.

A number of people in DePalma's circles built units but none of the attempts to replicate Alexander's stated energy gains ever proved out.

The bottom line is, running the machine in the standard motor and generator modes produces conventional behaviors.

No one has EVER reported success in replicating this machine.

With what we know now, it MAY be possible to get this method working, but FIRST we have to prove out the POWER GAIN mechanism in running the motor with short, high voltage, high current pulses.


However, from what you have just said, you may have stumbled into the solution. I have always believed that the Alexander Machine was real, but that important details were missing from the patent. I am very interested to hear more about your experiment from two years ago. Specifically,

1) what was your winding configuration?
2) did you add slip-rings for the AC output?
3) did the stator have two poles or four?
4) did the current draw of the input change much during loading of the AC output?

The more specific details you can give us the better.

Thanks for reporting on your experiment!!!!!

Peter

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Specifically,

1) what was your winding configuration?
2) did you add slip-rings for the AC output?
3) did the stator have two poles or four?
4) did the current draw of the input change much during loading of the AC output?

The more specific details you can give us the better.


Hi Peter,

It is a 4-pole motor (2 pole pairs). The stator iron is not laminated. The rotor had 23 slots (if I remember right) with 2 bars (rods) for the lower and 2 bars upper coil winding. All bars (rods) were removed. Instead, only a total of 2 bars were installed with a thinner cross-section. The free fraction of the slots has now been filled with a (thin) magnetic wire (AC winding) in parallel with the DC winding untill the slots were filled up. The winding pattern was (if I remember right):

23-6-12-18-1-7-13-19-2-8-14-...
***************

Of course, did I take the ends of the AC wire-winding to a slip ring pair.

To the DC motor probably 6..7..8V were applied. I could not make more speed (increasing the DC voltage), because unfortunately, the slip rings are not exactly concentric. So that the brushes would have lost the contact at higher rpm.

At around 8V, the DC motor made several hundred rpms and a equivalent noise. The (secondary) AC winding stayed open. The power consumption in all, with the 2 slide bearings and the commutator, probably was 20(?)..30(?)W.

When I loaded the AC winding or shorted it out, I could hear that the noise of the engine went up a little bit, it became a little bit more frequent.

I thought, "Interesting!"

As I said, no measurements were ever made.


Best regards
magnetO

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MagnetO,

Thanks for the details. I am beginning to think that you may have already built the machine we have been looking for. How difficult would it be to bring this machine back out and do some measurements on a test run.

I realize the speed problem with the eccentric slip rings, so it will have to be a slow speed test. Never the less, a simple set of instruments to measure the input voltage and current and RPM, allowing the AC output to drive a resistive load (drawing unity power factor) with volt and amp meters on the load. Then periodically short out the AC load and measure the changes in RPM and input current.

If the system can be loaded with little change to the input speed and current, then the structure is correct, even if the speed is limited.

Is this something you would be willing to do and report your findings here?

Peter
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I was not sure where to post this so i havent yet. And it may have been discussed in another thread I am not sure. But I have been retrofitting my Bedini Monopole to attempt the Large Wheel. I have a quadfilar coil with core that sticks out the bottom like John has. I remembered another thread some time ago where a user had done something similar to this and put a "piggy-back" induction coil on the extended core end. My induction coil is a small spool single filar coil of prob no more than 150ft of 23ga wire. After reading in the Ferris wheel thread about shorting one of the coil windings to itself to lower the inductance I decided to give it a go.
Upon shorting it on the running system there were semi-large blue sparks that popped at connection. Then the current draw went down over 50mA. and the wheel sped up as well. charging actually seemed to be faster. If I put my scope lead to this coil it has almost identical wave form as the rest of the Bedini circuit, but the spikes are noticeably higher.Or I can put this piggy-back through a bridge into a cap and run a small load with no losses to the original system. If you arent too busy could you explain the sparking of this coil.
Im sorry if this is a little long winded. But in a current thread by member Zooty titled SSG modification anomaly, I put one winding of a small Bifilar coil in series to the charge battery. The other winding of the bifilar i can generate over 200V AC. Put through a bridge I can run a small load from this mod. With it, current draw decreases slightly again, and there is not any decrease in speed or charging to the system. I know this is not directly related to this thread, and I apologize BOBO. The only reason I put it here was Peter mentioned shorting the coil. If I need to post this elsewhere like in the SSG mod thread I will.
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I was not sure where to post this so i havent yet. And it may have been discussed in another thread I am not sure. But I have been retrofitting my Bedini Monopole to attempt the Large Wheel. I have a quadfilar coil with core that sticks out the bottom like John has. I remembered another thread some time ago where a user had done something similar to this and put a "piggy-back" induction coil on the extended core end. My induction coil is a small spool single filar coil of prob no more than 150ft of 23ga wire. After reading in the Ferris wheel thread about shorting one of the coil windings to itself to lower the inductance I decided to give it a go.
Upon shorting it on the running system there were semi-large blue sparks that popped at connection. Then the current draw went down over 50mA. and the wheel sped up as well. charging actually seemed to be faster. If I put my scope lead to this coil it has almost identical wave form as the rest of the Bedini circuit, but the spikes are noticeably higher.Or I can put this piggy-back through a bridge into a cap and run a small load with no losses to the original system. If you arent too busy could you explain the sparking of this coil.
Im sorry if this is a little long winded. But in a current thread by member Zooty titled SSG modification anomaly, I put one winding of a small Bifilar coil in series to the charge battery. The other winding of the bifilar i can generate over 200V AC. Put through a bridge I can run a small load from this mod. With it, current draw decreases slightly again, and there is not any decrease in speed or charging to the system. I know this is not directly related to this thread, and I apologize BOBO. The only reason I put it here was Peter mentioned shorting the coil. If I need to post this elsewhere like in the SSG mod thread I will.
Redrichie,

You ask a good question, but it is way off topic here. You should ask John this question in the Ferris Wheel thread.

Peter
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Is this something you would be willing to do and report your findings here?
Hi,

thanks to the posting from boguslaw, I was reminded of the Alexander-Motor-Generator and my conversion of it.

The object is probably 'stored' at the bottom of a 'treasure heap' in the basement of the workshop of a friend. (He NEVER throws anything away. That is not always positive. But in this case it is).

Since the wokshop is not heated, it will still take some weeks before restarting research.

But, yes, the measurements on the Alexander-engine will be done after wintertime in spring.

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magnetO
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Hi,

thanks to the posting from boguslaw, I was reminded of the Alexander-Motor-Generator and my conversion of it.

The object is probably 'stored' at the bottom of a 'treasure heap' in the basement of the workshop of a friend. (He NEVER throws anything away. That is not always positive. But in this case it is).

Since the wokshop is not heated, it will still take some weeks before restarting research.

But, yes, the measurements on the Alexander-engine will be done after wintertime in spring.

Best regards
magnetO

It reminds me my situation. I have converted small garage room into a "lab" but it's not heated and working there when there is zero Celsius degrees is a extreme adventure
I'm now quite sure that those devices are very close related to each other :
Hubbard generator, Hendershot motor,D'Angelo motor, Alexander motor
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