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Old 04-07-2012, 02:18 PM
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What gauge and length wire do you use and what do you charge?
The coil I tested this with was just a quicky, using network cable (CAT 5e - stripped shielding),
which has 4 twisted strands of two twisted strands each, giving me 8 wires.
I use them in pairs at the transistors, 1 trigger, 3 slaves.
Because of insulation thickness of each strand, this might not be the most efficient
I am going to wind another one with 50m (55 yards) of AWG 22, 6 strands.
Aim is to get some forklift batteries and rejuvenate and charge them, to use them with an inverter.
What do you think, is this too ambitious?
Would I need a larger coil?
I would like to stay SS, as I do not believe in moving parts.
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Old 04-07-2012, 03:28 PM
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My joule ringer failed - cooked all the transistors

Hi to all,
Tested my joule ringer in the Philippines

4 circuits all failed heating up the transistor 2n3055 and mje121194
base trigger
1. 1 M 5 k pot with .082 cap - 200 ma max with 50 % brightness worked for a month and still ok till i changed to the following

a. 220 ohm 5 w series with 5 k and diode 1n4007 to transistor current from 170 to 1.5 amperes full brightness but only lasted 1 hr and transistor fried

b. 10 k pot 1/4 w series with diode in4007 - fried right away
c 1 m resistor series with 10 k and diode - no resonance
d 220 ohm R series with 10 k series with diode fried after 1 hour

my supply voltage 13 v dc 7ah sla battery charged by 5 watt solar
load parallel 5 220 v ac led lamps 5 w ea

last connection
battery to inverter 500 w 220 v ac output I in dc 1.5 A Iac out 2.5 A

I think the 1st one will be adopted but 50 % brightness only and can last from 6 pm to 6 am duration

Dont know what happened since b. was tested in China for 2 weeks w/o any glitches

Hope others can share their results also

thanks

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Old 04-08-2012, 02:56 AM
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Guys:
I know that this does not have much to do with this thread, but I had to put it somewhere...
A year ago Lasersaber showed a video on April Fools day, about a working A-F-P device, "Dr. Lirpa Sloof technology".
And now a year later is the 2nd part of the video in answer to the how the device works.
What do you think??? That transistor must be very very hard to find...
Working A-F-P Part 2 "Dr Lirpa Sloof" technology exposed! - YouTube

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Old 04-08-2012, 04:12 AM
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What do you think??? That transistor must be very very hard to find...
Big fan of Dr. Lirpa Sloof. Very common transistor...



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Old 04-08-2012, 05:01 AM
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Big fan of Dr. Lirpa Sloof. Very common transistor...



Very small but powerful transistor, I use them in all my OU circuit's
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Old 04-08-2012, 05:03 AM
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hey guys been awhile since i been around.. seen some dusty roads since then ..
i finally had a moment to sit down and watch some of you guys videos
and nick don't let lasersaber's april fools videos get to you..
he does a very nice job in all his videos..
i just now watched this video thru nickz link and i have to say nice job laser .. hope to see more great videos like this one and last years..
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Old 04-08-2012, 03:12 PM
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Hey Kooler:
Great to hear from you. Been missing you around here...

Yes, I've been racking my brain about this device for a year, but finally I found the illusive TIP transistor, had to special order it direct from -Lirpa Sloof Technologies-.
I finally got the device working, but, I connected it to my electric lawn mover, and now it runs backwards.
What did I do wrong??? Please help...

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Old 04-08-2012, 07:48 PM
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Very small but powerful transistor, I use them in all my OU circuit's
That vid was a fake or not? Scratchrobot did you tried that on that vid?
What is that transistor 0401?
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Old 04-08-2012, 11:03 PM
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look at the photo i attached it shows the wire coming out of his sleve and up the cord..
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Old 04-09-2012, 08:41 AM
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Interesting....it seems to work for SkyWatcher.
Leaving out the cap, according to your theory, also makes sense.
A cap would smooth out voltage peaks, right......... which I do not really want.
Wander if the spikes can hit the battery, before the cap can take action?

Hi,
I did not see a lot spikes anymore, when i did connect a Cap, its more then a pulse what is left.



Anyone else, btw, just read Dr Lirpa sloof backwards, then you know at what Time the Setup is real.


Nice Video here, didnt know, that a shorted Wire or a Cap can improove a JT.
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Old 04-09-2012, 11:22 AM
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look at the photo i attached it shows the wire coming out of his sleve and up the cord..
Wow Lasersaber is a magician thanks kooler
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Old 04-09-2012, 05:43 PM
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Nice Video here, didnt know, that a shorted Wire or a Cap can improove a JT.
Joule Thief Shorted.10 times more light. - YouTube
In that video shorted capacitor is actually LC circuit. There is whole realm on parallel LC free resonant circuit with main coils.. They are very good on energy storage in coils and do lots of other things...
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Old 04-10-2012, 12:59 AM
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Hi,
I did not see a lot spikes anymore, when i did connect a Cap, its more then a pulse what is left.
ok, thanks, will remove charging cap and see what it does in the next couple
of days. or did you remove the one from the input side as well?
my scope is from the last ice age and am sure i can hear gears spin, after
winding up the rubber band, when turned on
so all i can see is a "j" with bottom pointing to the right. need a new scope.........

what about a full wave rectifier? Have you done tests on that?
The original diagram only has 1 diode.


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Anyone else, btw, just read Dr Lirpa sloof backwards, then you know at what Time the Setup is real.
also, if you do not use US date format, e.g. europe, then the transistor is called TIP0ff0104
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Old 04-10-2012, 10:43 AM
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ok, thanks, will remove charging cap and see what it does in the next couple
of days. or did you remove the one from the input side as well?
my scope is from the last ice age and am sure i can hear gears spin, after
winding up the rubber band, when turned on
so all i can see is a "j" with bottom pointing to the right. need a new scope.........

what about a full wave rectifier? Have you done tests on that?
The original diagram only has 1 diode.



also, if you do not use US date format, e.g. europe, then the transistor is called TIP0ff0104
Ah, right, i totally missed that .

I had once a Cap at input Side, but the Spike goes backward too, throught the Coil, so its eating it up too.
It did seems that a cap at the Charge did improve the charge, but J. Bedini meant, then you do miss an other Effect. But his Setup is anyway a bit different at the Coils and Magnets, it seems to me that they have a different interaction.
I tried a rectifier, but better are fast Diodes like a BY255, or different one. That is one brand what i found, is common and do work for me in a way.
You can put more in parallel or serial, i only found, when you put them in serie the Voltage charge faster then Amp does. If, i put them in parallel then. But for the kinda small Projects i got, (charging with ~8-12V, 70-35mAh) i use only one Diode.
I am ok for now to charge my Batteries for my Meters and torchs and some bigger lead Acids.
I still like this old Scopes, so far they can keep up with the Frequency, it shows Current better as the new LCD Scopes, because they are brighter, where the Current appear.
Since the Potential there is between Plus Diode and Plus source, you should connect the Probe to the Diode and ground to Plus Source, then you should see positive Spike.
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Old 04-20-2012, 06:02 AM
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Hi guys
I got a jouleringer, Penny-like, working by just my fingers and 2 metals.

Jouleringer powerd by fingers, copper and aluminium - YouTube

maybe it could charge a supercap to power something, just by touching it..
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Old 04-20-2012, 09:54 AM
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I got a jouleringer, Penny-like, working by just my fingers and 2 metals.

Jouleringer powerd by fingers, copper and aluminium - YouTube

maybe it could charge a supercap to power something, just by touching it..
cant see much in your video, could you post your circuit diagram?
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Old 04-20-2012, 08:40 PM
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Maybe there is to much room light but you can here the radio and off course you can see the multimeter...
The LED isn't that bright, i will soon have beter LED's

this is the circuit: PENNY's circuit diagram.ASF - YouTube
again: it's not mine but it's the best low-power ringer i have seen/replicated.
Works from about 1 micro-amp
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Old 04-20-2012, 09:06 PM
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I got a jouleringer, Penny-like, working by just my fingers and 2 metals.

Jouleringer powerd by fingers, copper and aluminium - YouTube

maybe it could charge a supercap to power something, just by touching it..
The Penny circuit is absolutely amazing. Lidmotor also made one called the Steel Wire Pancake Coil that is very comparable as well.
I performed a very similar test a while back.
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Those circuits will almost run themselves -
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Old 04-21-2012, 11:23 AM
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Joule thief

Last week I was trying to add a capacitor for resonance to my JT ringer but could not find resonance. Anyone tried to add another winding as Zilano once told?
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Old 04-21-2012, 12:59 PM
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The Penny circuit is absolutely amazing. Lidmotor also made one called the Steel Wire Pancake Coil that is very comparable as well.
I performed a very similar test a while back.
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Those circuits will almost run themselves -
The human body always have potential difference. So you can charge capacitors up to 1 volt.. When different metals are hold in hand, there is chemical reaction with magnesium and other active metals from human sweat. So that amplifies voltage.
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Old 04-24-2012, 01:24 PM
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Excellent find Kooler !! The wire in the sleeve )

I hope his joule ringers are NOT alike this april fool device !!

Seriously Lasersaber's Joule Ringers are so interesting, seems so energy savers.

I hope he will find standard toroid and get the same effect than the large toroid used to light his shade !
Congratulations !
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Old 04-24-2012, 11:50 PM
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Hi,

After building a modified version of
Joule Ringer!
, charging an old battery looked very promising.

The old 12V car battery was at 10.5V and after charging it for a week at around 12.8V, I had it up to 11.6V (after leaving it disconnected over night)

We have been on holiday for the last 10 days, and now the battery is at 7.4V.
When connecting the charger again, it went up to 12.5V for about 5 sec and then stayed at 11.3V.

Anyone got an idea, on why this could be?
Is the battery too dead?
I want to make sure I get the circuit going properly before hooking up a new battery.
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Old 04-25-2012, 06:10 AM
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Hi,

After building a modified version of
Joule Ringer!
, charging an old battery looked very promising.

The old 12V car battery was at 10.5V and after charging it for a week at around 12.8V, I had it up to 11.6V (after leaving it disconnected over night)

We have been on holiday for the last 10 days, and now the battery is at 7.4V.
When connecting the charger again, it went up to 12.5V for about 5 sec and then stayed at 11.3V.

Anyone got an idea, on why this could be?
Is the battery too dead?
I want to make sure I get the circuit going properly before hooking up a new battery.
There matbe a dead cell that's bringing down the voltage ... how about flushing your battery using the Alum conversion method maybe it eill revive ur dead cells
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Old 04-25-2012, 03:00 PM
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I got a similar dead batterie, it did rest on 11.30, one from the numbers what indicate me a dead batterie, but still had full amps.I did draw it down, and it didnt recharge anymore, only to about 4 V. At charging it shows 14 Volts, but later drops down back to 4 Volt. I used this thing a bit for my 3 Batterie setup. But i am carefully at this one, when its at 11.30. Usual each cell has about 2.2-2.4Volt Volts, x 6 Cells is about 14 Volt, when one has a short i come to 11.30 again. So it may means, that the other cells are full charged, just one is not and i should not charge it more.
I guess, that sometimes only the grid from that Plates fall apart and cause the short. I converted it to alum too but not much changes. You can try at least to discharge it with a low load, maybe about 5 watt, and recharge it few times again, that it can come back. Aaron did suggest that once, but i had more success at open it and refill it with destilled Water.
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All info here: Super Joule Ringer 2.0 in overdrive! - YouTube
Schematic here: Laser Hacker! Free energy made easy.
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Thanks Lasersaber
Limiting the parts to one is the best with an added bonus on the cheap coil design
Now everybody can replicate with ease with easily available parts

Below is my replication of your first joule ringer

thanks again

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Super Joule Ringer Amplifier Lighting Station 290112 - YouTube


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Old 04-27-2012, 08:46 PM
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Wow, LaserSaber, that circuit looks great! What happens when you ground the ferrite of the new coil? EMF from the new coil? Really interesting circuit.

Thanks for posting this stuff, brings new possibilities.
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??? Your video shows making a transformer with 3 windings but your schematic only has a transformer with 2 windings.
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Old 04-28-2012, 06:21 AM
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@LaseHacker-LaserSaber

Thanks for this new circuit LaserSaber, it seems that you DID IT AGAIN
I am eager to see how it RINGS on capacitors !!??!!

After that it'll be time to make a ringer circuit with a 555 timer to input some power regularly in the ringing capacitor ... what a potential saving in power !!

As for replicating your mini DIY Joule Ringer, I am not in a country where goldmine-elec-products.com ships, so I am f...
I mean to reproduce with the exact same parts you recommend.
I wanted to make a comparative test with light output/energy used, and make a run time comparison on small button batteries ... to have an idea of how much longer it can run with the Joule Ringer added and to see the light output curve vs time.

Your video, "Light_output_test!_LED_without_Joule_Ringer_VS_LE D_with_Joule_Ringer" was a must, but can't find it on your channel anymore... May be the guys at Panacea should produce such "proof" video and publish them, without any risk for the individual inventor, he staying anonymous !

Anyway you are a very gifted man, showing such impressive circuits, that I wish you could give us MORE !!! ahahahaha sorry for that, you have given us already A LOT !!
May the light of inspiration be strong for you !!
Thanks again LaserSaber !!
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??? Your video shows making a transformer with 3 windings but your schematic only has a transformer with 2 windings.
Im having exactly the same confusion - on the video it looks like the 2 ends of 1 wire are just left open. Can anyone clarify?

By the way, has anyone tried other wires? Or is the doorbell wire a must?

Thanks for the great work Lasersaber. Looks great, and the video is very clear. Very few components - should be able to get millions of replications and fast.

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