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Old 02-20-2011, 04:53 AM
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Thanks cikljamas for posting the link.

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fuji arcing

I've ran the fuji on 65V 8000uF with to-220 size transistor. It does start to arc after a while but doesn't arc between layers, only from hv pin to base coil pin. So you could probably coat pins with epoxy or oil bath it.
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Old 02-22-2011, 04:12 PM
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I am almost ready to post the DIY videos on how to build a joule ringer including the transformer.

I have also discovered that the Joule Ringer will run a lit CFL for a couple seconds after the power is disconnected, even with no electrolytic capacitor in the circuit. It just runs on the coils alone for a few seconds. I will also show this effect in my next videos. Here is the circuit that I use when running with no capacitor.
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Old 02-22-2011, 06:18 PM
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I am almost ready to post the DIY videos on how to build a joule ringer including the transformer.
fuji or other disposable camera currently unavailable in my location. I'm trying to use other transformer but found poor result. good quality insulated wire also unavailable so i can't make a transformer like fuji. I'm waiting if someone give alternative transformer design and hope Mr. LaserSaber's next video will be more helpful.
I'm waiting.. .. ..
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Old 02-22-2011, 10:26 PM
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fuji or other disposable camera currently unavailable in my location. I'm trying to use other transformer but found poor result. good quality insulated wire also unavailable so i can't make a transformer like fuji. I'm waiting if someone give alternative transformer design and hope Mr. LaserSaber's next video will be more helpful.
I'm waiting.. .. ..
Do not know where you are, but for those of you in Canada, AA Fuji's are still
available. The "President's Choice" disposable is the old Fuji AA circuit. Also, I
was at Wal Mart yesterday and they had 2 pak "Children's Miracle Network"
Fuji disposables on sale for $10.00. These were also the old Fuji AA circuits.
Thanks to wackyO I have made a successful Fuji/CFL replication with these.
No fried transistors or circuits this time. Hope to make a better video on the
correct procedure to do this. Since any I have seen are not very clear, and I
have seen about 10 of them if not more. The result of these unclear videos
contributed to my problems in the past with these circuits.

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Old 02-23-2011, 01:20 PM
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Do not know where you are, but for those of you in Canada, AA Fuji's are still
available.
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I'm from BANGLADESH, Asia. Film & Flm-camera is almost unavailable in my location. But "Mosquito Killer Bat"/ fly zapper is available. I experimented but zapper ckt is >9V, I need low voltage transformer like fuji AA.
Thanks for your cooperation.
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Old 02-23-2011, 08:26 PM
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I'm from BANGLADESH, Asia. Film & Flm-camera is almost unavailable in my location. But "Mosquito Killer Bat"/ fly zapper is available. I experimented but zapper ckt is >9V, I need low voltage transformer like fuji AA.
Thanks for your cooperation.
Wish we could trade. Light output with CFL and Fuji is low but not bad with
an unmodified 3.5 watt led 110 bulb, Never saw this before, Lasersaber and
LIdmotor were using what appeared to be 1 watt bulbs.

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Old 03-10-2011, 03:02 AM
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self wound joule ringer

I built a self wound joule ringer on a 2"x2" E-core. I used 24 gauge primary ~6 turns and 36 gauge secondary ~1200 turns (plus the additional turns on the secondary). The transformer worked well, but drew 10x the amperage compared to the fuji transformers. I didn't mind, since I wanted to do some experiments with a more robust transformer, but the increased current caused the whole thing to heat up pretty quick and burn up when I was using 24 volts as the input.

Anyone have any thoughts on how to make a larger, more efficient joule ringer transformer? The first coil took a lot of work to assemble, so if I do it again, I want to be fairly certain that I'm making improvements. I've thought about using thinner wire on the secondary, but I don't know enough about transformer theory to be sure that would help. Any insight would be appreciated!
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Old 03-10-2011, 06:37 AM
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funny. I had the same thing happen to me. Toasty. I've had some thoughts. Next time i am going to cut a 3/8" ferrite rod, to about 5". I'm going to cut plastic disks, such that they have a 3/8" hole in them, and my primary is going to be double wound 26 gauge wound twisted together, not bifilar, just multistrand - about 40 turns. Then I am going to do about 600 turns on the HV - but I'm going to do my step up in stages with plastic disks in between. 26 gauge, or maybe 30 - but I'm losing confidence in 30. When I'm done I'm going to make a surrounding "coral"of home made magnetite. So it will be a ferrite central rod, with a surrounding magnetite core that has no winds on it. I got the idea, roughly - from a HV circuit in a scanner.

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Old 03-10-2011, 06:45 AM
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I built a self wound joule ringer on a 2"x2" E-core. I used 24 gauge primary ~6 turns and 36 gauge secondary ~1200 turns (plus the additional turns on the secondary). The transformer worked well, but drew 10x the amperage compared to the fuji transformers. I didn't mind, since I wanted to do some experiments with a more robust transformer, but the increased current caused the whole thing to heat up pretty quick and burn up when I was using 24 volts as the input.

Anyone have any thoughts on how to make a larger, more efficient joule ringer transformer? The first coil took a lot of work to assemble, so if I do it again, I want to be fairly certain that I'm making improvements. I've thought about using thinner wire on the secondary, but I don't know enough about transformer theory to be sure that would help. Any insight would be appreciated!
Hi @Skaght
With your good self we are two already who have the transformer winding problem! I wound two E cored ones and neither of them worked. I wonder what transistor you were using to get it to oscillate!
I used AWG38 magnet wire and wound 1750 turns clockwise. Trigger coil 8 turns 0.54mm wire clockwise; primary coil 8 turns 0.81mm wire counter clockwise.
Still waiting for the enlightening of Sir Lasersaber, to throw us a bone here to make it right.
I am going to try a factory-made transformer: the Tamura Microtran 3FD-310 to see if it works. Someone in another thread has posted a circuit with a similar model transformer and got the circuit lighting a CFL with 30~50 mA at 12V.
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Old 03-15-2011, 03:20 AM
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update of circuit performance

I got the circuit to light partially a 20W CFL. Using a TIP3055, and winding the coils by myself. 9VDC 100mA input. Output 450V AC p-p. Sorry, I messed up the camera, so no photos at this moment. Need to borrow another camera later. I will try to replicate Slayer's latest circuit.
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Old 03-18-2011, 11:21 PM
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A new transformer...

I ordered a couple transformers from amazing1.com (28k089) and hooked them up joule ringer style. They work great in the circuit below. I got the potted version and they seem to be able to produce the best high voltages when you crank up the power by decreasing resistance across the caps:



I hooked the output up to a five stage voltage multiplier and got some massive 1.5 to 2 inch sparks! Fun stuff.

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I used a radio shack 3055, 12 volt supply. The resistor varied down to 8k ohms and the cap was .2 uF.
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Old 03-19-2011, 01:48 AM
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I ordered a couple transformers from amazing1.com (28k089) and hooked them up joule ringer style. They work great in the circuit below. I got the potted version and they seem to be able to produce the best high voltages when you crank up the power by decreasing resistance across the caps:
Nice sparks. Thanks for posting your results. How long will it run from a charged capacitor?

Normally a voltage multiplier needs AC to work. But this type of circuit mostly puts out pulsed DC. How did you connect the voltage multiplier? What ever you did seems to work great.

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Old 03-19-2011, 05:30 AM
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At 12 volts with a 22,000 uF cap, run time was 8 minutes on my first try with a cap and resistor (no bifilar). It's worth mentioning that that's the best run time I've ever gotten with one of these circuits. I think if I tweaked it more, I could get longer by changing out capacitance and resistance. That was just my first attempt at run time.

The circuit is hooked to a negative type voltage multiplier. It's surprising that it works so well, since it does put out mostly pulsed DC, but it does work. My lab smelled of ozone for quite some time after my experiments!
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Old 03-31-2011, 01:03 AM
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How to build the Joule Ringer transformer:

YouTube - How to build the Joule Ringer transformer.
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Old 03-31-2011, 04:40 AM
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How to build the Joule Ringer transformer:

YouTube - How to build the Joule Ringer transformer.
Hi Lasersaber,
Great video!. Now let us build it! I will commence to wind the beast at once.
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Old 03-31-2011, 07:49 AM
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Hi,
Nice Video indeed, Ty.
Lasersaber did you take a Fuji transformer apart, to figure out how to wind this?
Because i wonder, why they do so, and it looks like a efficient Transformer, more then the 80% what are normal. Would point out, that they do know, how to make them, just hide it in very small parts like this little Flashlights. Or it is your additional Coil there.
This Triggercoil reminds me at a Micrrowavetransformer, the Frequency comes there at the Midle in also.
Did you tried to place another Pot once to the Base of the Base and adjusting there?
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Drawing of the LaserSaber transformer

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@lasersaber: thank you for the nice video!

Because I want to wind such a transformer, I made a little drawing. It will serve as a note when winding the transformer.

Please have a look at it, is it right? The free end of the twisted length is embedded in the coil (not connected to any pin)?

What transistor do you use? What is the Voltage of the starting charge of the electrolytic capacitor?

Greetings, Conrad

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Old 03-31-2011, 06:25 PM
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That drawing looks right on to me. You did a nice job drawing that out. As you noticed there is a free end on the twisted wire buried in the coil.
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Multiple LCR circuit testing?

The simple computer model confirmed that kinetic energy of air molecules can be brought-in via tuning forks in resonance.

Can LCR circuits be treated as tuning forks? Can electron motion energy of orbiting electrons be brought-in via LCR resonance circuits???

The Steven Mark device may be a case of two LCR circuits in resonance with the toroid.

Can the Joule Ringer be multiple LCR circuits in resonance???
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Old 04-02-2011, 08:07 PM
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Thanks for share. very helpful. Good Luck LaserSaber.
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Old 04-04-2011, 05:12 AM
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replication

I built the transformer as described by lasersaber. Wow. It's probably the most efficient yet. It's got a lower frequency, which seems to help it use less current.

For anyone winding this thing, I spent hours this Sunday making mine. I used a half inch drill bit in my cordless drill and then put a piece of cloth over the drill bit, stuffing that into the plastic bobbin. The drill then allowed for faster winding, although if you are anything of a perfectionist, it's still not that quick.

@lasersaber--thanks for the video! What the heck is the 6 feet of twisted wire for? I was cursing you the whole time I was trying to work through that part of the design. Have you made one without the twisted wire?
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great project, am working on it as well, but so far no luck.
have to order some of the stuff as it is not available in AUS - eg 1n60.

just a quick note on the disposable cameras.
i went to a photo processing centre and collected the ones they took the film out of.
the lady was saying i should have come a week earlier.
they had 20 cameras from a wedding

..... couple days later .......
ok, took 5 cameras apart, including a fuji.
not one has the transistor i need. you would think fuji would build the same model all over the world.
the transistors are not in the reference list of the ones used here either.

when the diodes arrive, i will just test them all and see if i have any luck.

.... even later ........
after pulling apart 17 cameras, i finally found one with the C5720.
only the one shown in the picture had one.
6 kodak cameras had different components and board layouts in them. very odd.
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Hello!

I just wonder what is role of twisted 1 end loose wire is in transformer?

What it is used for? There is high voltage wire other end then twisted with wire on unconnected end (inductive capacitor role???) and signal wire wounded in parallel from other end for bifilar role.

Would be cool if someone points out the concept how it works.

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I have this working with a solar system in my workshop.

Video: Super Joule Ringer! Lights my workshop 24/7. - YouTube
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Thats amazing. Whats the input power total? You talked about the amps, I missed the voltage..

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That is very impressive!! I am looking forward to your how to, and schematic . Thanks for sharing.
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LazerSaber,
that's some serious light for under 200mA
we have used your single CFL joule ringer for camping this summer. It has been a focus of conversation with many onlookers as well as other families we camp with. people find it very difficult to believe we can light these things with a small battery. Our latest experiments are focused on powering a joule ringer with the crystal batteries - although they are quite a bit larger, they are even cooler to view. we are soo close, we can light the neons, but there are not enough mA for the CFL. can you tell me what the smallest voltage and mA you have been able to run a single CFL with good reading light are? thanks

yes please post the schematic - of your latest.
we are very interested in replicating.
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Hi guys

LazerSaber has made many of us a cult follower

I've been thinking about batteries (as the initial source), electrons and ions.
Would a conditioned battery/capacitor, charged with a Bedini SSG be able to change the way the JT circuit perfoms?

Here's an explanation involving radiant discharge followed by currrent:
20 Bedini-Bearden Years

I also remembered a Youtube user by the name 1gunner1000 who was working on Joe Cell/Bingo Fuel. He said "Water drained of its electrons create ions held stable in the water, these ions have superconducting properties, negatively charged water ( water hit with a 3 minute charge and the negative left on so the electrons can continue to drain) You will have much more success and create a better % of over unity energy."

I apologise if my ramblings is way off topic, but I just can't stop thinking about them batteries...

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Old 09-17-2011, 11:11 PM
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I have this working with a solar system in my workshop.

Video: Super Joule Ringer! Lights my workshop 24/7. - YouTube
Saw your video when you first posted it.
Can't wait for you to source some parts and give another little how-to.
200 ma..... Come on. Amazing
I check back here every couple days.
This is certainly your best and most practical effort.
Keep up the good work.
Looking forward to replicating it.
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