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Old 01-03-2011, 02:40 AM
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It seems that there are videos on YouTube of this concept going back a couple of years. I am all for free energy and quite interested in this concept, but I feel like it may not work because after these 2-3 years, it does not seem anyone has really mastered this?

Does anyone have any ideas? I'd like to build some prototypes and see how it goes.
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Old 01-03-2011, 07:39 PM
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Right angle magnets on V-gate

Now hang the gate bar on a swing out in front of the V-rotor and it won't have to oppose gravity.......will need less magnetic force then, to push bar away....Wally

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Old 01-05-2011, 01:42 AM
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V-gate

Posted on OU-UK today for Clanzer...Hello everyone, My first time as a member, Ive been lurking around watching the progress on the v-gate, if you decide to try something new, then picture a stator hanging down on both sides of the rotor swinging, allowing the stator to be pushed away from the front of the v-gate with the repulsion magnets like when you had then lifting the stator; now have the stators hanging support arms project above their pivots points enougth so as to allow the two sides to be connected with a rod, so when one is pushed out the other is allowed to pull closer to the v-gate working together as pressure valves........maybe? This should allow you to lose the two end magnets on the rotor because attraction is in balance and make the rotor easier to balance. Wally



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Old 01-05-2011, 02:30 AM
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If someone tells me how I will attach a picture if needed.....
If needed....
When you reply to a Thread, you get this empty Box.
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B / U and more. Right side is a Picture with 2 Rocks on it.
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Manage Attachments is.
There you can upload a Picture (prefer jpg saved Files,
they are pretty small, about 30kb).
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Old 01-05-2011, 10:56 AM
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V-gate

goofed upload
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Old 01-05-2011, 11:03 AM
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Attachment 7372 Will it or not?
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Old 01-05-2011, 11:48 AM
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what is the largest V gate

what is the largest v gate motor any body has seen.
and how far apart is the larges V ever tried

I have alway been-very interested in the Wankel motor and the v gate as they both have the same thing in common only one lock point to complete the full 360

does any body have drawings for the typical V gate?
best Regards rod
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Old 01-05-2011, 03:25 PM
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does any body have drawings for the typical V gate?
Here is the set up I use in my videos. I also included the flux pattern of the stator magnet in the "working" video. As you can see, this could never drive the V, so this leads me to say the "working" video is a fake.

The V wheel rides up the flux of the cylinder bar magnet.

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Old 01-05-2011, 05:12 PM
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what is the largest v gate motor any body has seen.
and how far apart is the larges V ever tried

I have alway been-very interested in the Wankel motor and the v gate as they both have the same thing in common only one lock point to complete the full 360

does any body have drawings for the typical V gate?
best Regards rod
Hi,..Don't build it wider, build it taller like a "ferris wheel". Then put multible v-gates following each other......and add more stators to increase torque.. Wally
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Another possiblity? see below
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Old 01-05-2011, 06:32 PM
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Thanks for the information
This is a great help. I am going to make one and have bit of a go.
I know I have enough magnets in stock
If i find any thing I will post asap
cheers Rod
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Old 01-05-2011, 06:40 PM
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V-rotor

Maybe?
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Old 01-05-2011, 08:47 PM
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more hoax?

is this another one?
YouTube - FREE_ENERGY_permanent_magnet_motor.flv

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Old 01-05-2011, 09:52 PM
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V-gate

Maybe?
attachment 7381 Does anyone have input on these.....YES/NO? thanks, Wally
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Old 01-05-2011, 11:45 PM
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Little Help?

Hello everyone, In my last post #43, I don't know if I've got the magnets arranged in the proper polarities....Can anyone here show me what the interacting fields reactions should look like between the stator and the V-rotor magnets with this setup. Thanks, Wally
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Old 01-06-2011, 12:29 AM
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I am also skeptical about that video. But here is another video from Clanzer
that I think will work. The original OMEGA video did look like it was working.
I would like to replicate that one. Do have the bike wheel for it.

YouTube - Clanzers OMEGA Motor replication


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Old 01-06-2011, 02:24 AM
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I did do a replication from this wheel, just with a small one maybe 9 inch.
The Problems i got there, was, that it need to be balanced,
as Clanzer did, maybe less, when you use a big Wheel,
and that the Way from this lever,
that it allways comes from the same side over the lower Magnet.
Its kind of Balancing, and it seems for me it is better
to use this long Rods for steering. And bigger Scale seems better.
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Old 01-06-2011, 03:16 AM
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I did do a replication from this wheel, just with a small one maybe 9 inch.
The Problems i got there, was, that it need to be balanced,
as Clanzer did, maybe less, when you use a big Wheel,
and that the Way from this lever,
that it allways comes from the same side over the lower Magnet.
Its kind of Balancing, and it seems for me it is better
to use this long Rods for steering. And bigger Scale seems better.
Thanks for the update. The bike wheel I have is fairly big. Was going to use it for SSG but its magnetic (not aluminum or stainless steel) so useless for SSG.
Should be okay for this (OMEGA).


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counterpart from the usa

i've got some magnets and i'm working on a smaller model will give updates here
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Old 02-28-2013, 04:52 AM
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Build the "V" gate with a 6' or larger wheel and magnets all the way around it. Cost a couple thousand dollars, but it would work. Matt Jones posted the plans a couple years ago, but they have been taken down. The gate looks like this...only put together more precisely than mine! LOL. Very little resistance to enter the gate and plenty of acceleration coming out. He doesn't have all those different kinds of magnets in the gate for FUN. There is a purpose for every one of them and in the way they are laid out to form specially shaped magnetic fields.

V Track - YouTube

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Old 03-03-2013, 05:22 AM
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Magnetic Motion

Several years ago I built a device that looked like a child's see-saw. It could move up and down. There were magnets that were not on the see-saw itself, but along both sides of the see saw when it was in the "down" position. When it was in the "up" position those magnets were below it. There was a track on the see-saw itself with a little wheeled cart that rode up and down the track. It had a large permanent magnet in it. When the weight of the cart forced that end of the see-saw down, The magnets on the side would repel the magnet in the cart, and force the cart up the track and over the top. As the magnet on wheels started down the other side, its weight would tip the see-saw, and that side would come down, which put the magnet on wheels in conflict with the magnets on both sides of the see-saw on that side, so it would slow down, stop, reverse direction, and roll back up the track and over the top, starting down the other side.....etc. The wheels on the magnet were in aluminum channel to keep it from flying off the track as it went over the top. It would run until the moving magnet got bound up, which happened quite often, but I felt the device had potential. Basically it used magnetic repulsion to overcome the effects of gravity, and leverage and inertia to overcome the forces of magnetic repulsion. When the magnet was rolling down the hill it took magnetic repulsion some time to slow its progress, stop it, and reverse its course. But it ALWAYS got far enough down the hill to tip the see-saw in that direction. I kept adding weight to put as much weight on the little "cart" as magnetic repulsion could possibly move up the hill and over the top. I had a setup on my bench for a couple years before I moved to California, and left it behind. I played not only with the amount of weights, but with the height of the folcrum, which changed the mechanical advantage. But it was a pretty simple setup and I believe it had a lot of potential. As the see-saw tips back and forth, that motion can be used to do useful work. The larger the scale, the easier it is to build it without it binding up at some point. The larger the weights you use the more useful the work that can be done. The more powerful and the LARGER the magnets, the more weight that can be moved. But even with small magnets and an inexpensive model you can see the simple principle I used here. Hope this gives folks some ideas.

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