please help me do this catalyst

for the last time
READ THROUGH ALL THE THREAD AND YOU WILL FIND ALL YOUR ANSWERS!!!!!!

Could any body please tell me where can I find planes and designs for a pyrolysis reactor that work on diesil heater and not electricity
thanks

Not sure what happened to my last response-

I'm trying to make connections between the plastic to oil (P2O) DIYs, (small scale) P2O unit manufacturers and recycling community on the order of what GEK (gasification) movement.

I know I am little boring but I'm asking to help me tell me how to make a catalyst that side so I will then find because a lot of reading.
Praise for the help and again not bothering just put mojte results I received.

My son Ruairi, age 16, has been working on this project with me from the start. He entered the project into a school science fair last year and took first prize. He went forward to the final held at the Intel factory in Dublin where he won first place . Intel paid for both Ruairi and his science teacher to travel to Pittsburgh USA to compete at The international science and engineering fair ISEF fo 6 days. Against some very stiff competition he took second place in his category.
Ruairi ONeill: In the Minds of Young Innovators Series - YouTube
You can see him being interviewed at the fair on youtube and in the background you can see the model of our reactor. Unfortunately because of safety rules we we not able to show the actual reactor.

Our plan is to continue experimental work on catalysts using our 1kg reactor, while constructing a larger 100kg unit, powered by the kerosene fraction this summer.

That is so cool. He gave a great account of himself and the project. Be proud!

Very nice. Thank you for sharing.

aleksandarrado.
На почетокот на оваа тема Jetijs испратени слика на помали подесување со челик реактор и сини кондензаторот резервоарот. Исто така, постои слика на катализатор рефлукс филтер, кој е монтиран во текот на реакторот. Исто така постои и слика покажувајќи внатре во рефлукс. Катализатор не може да го блокира протокот на пареа и предизвика зголемување на притисокот во внатрешноста на реакторот. Цевки за поврзување реактор со катализатор може да биде дури и 2-инчен но не помала од 1.25. Луѓето беа експериментира со различни видови на катализатор подлогата и има неколку страници се пишува. Постои комерцијални зеолит 5 но тоа е прилично скапи. Заеднички глини или пемза можат да работат премногу. И јас не ја изгради уште и не можат да потврдат која ќе работи подобро.
Знам, оваа тема е долга, но јас веќе се чита преку три пати да го фати секој малку на важни информации, а постои многу од тоа.
Се обидувам да им помогне, но јас нема да знам сите одговори додека текстот ќе го работи.

Vtech

imd- Wow what a great model & wonderfully poised son and I here in Delaware (relatively close) missed the fair! I'm particularly interested in the comparative efficiencies-will the fair results download?

Vtech - The Goggle Russian to English translation of your comments wasn't very useful leading to the following proposition: as English is the common language for this forum please use/ include some translation.

I'm sorry, this is a Macedonian,,,

Member aleksandarrado posted a question about the reflux/catalyst directed to me in my profile. I know that he is more comfortable in his native Macedonian than English. I just want to make sure he understands everything. Beside, the information I did provide to him was already discussed in this thread but maybe hard for non native English speaker to spot. Just trying to help, not hiding any secrets from the group. I apologize if my post offended anyone.

Vtech

Finally, I was able to find some flanges in the local scrap metal place. $2/lb seems cheap but it doesn't take long to gather 100 -200lb of stuff.
I also found supplier of ceramic blankets. They are made for furnaces, kilns etc.
This could work great as an insulation for the reactor vessel and reflux.

www.industries3r.com/3r-2300-cerahttp://www.industries3r.com/3r-2300-ceramic-fiber-blanket.htmlmic-fiber-blanket.html

Vtech

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Good to hear of the find. Sorry it cost so much. Just think of the savings with the cheap fuel you'll make and investment amount won't seem like much at all.
I'm still buzzing with ideas. Lately I'm thinking of making the reactor vessel smaller than I first thought and run it as a continuous feed. Given that it's smaller, I think I'll opt for one hatch only... at the top.
On a frustrating note, I mentioned to my son who's a welder, about wanting some flanges. He replied, I should have asked 2 weeks ago as he could have got redundant parts from a refit he was working on.

An interesting thing I found from kaguar's post was a centrally fitted heater, inside a tube which ran vertically from the top flange. Said to be more efficient it was only 2KW. For comparison, Jets heaters on page 1 are 6KW. A reactor set up this way could also run optional burner underneath. So, I'm looking for ideas on how to construct such a heater core from nichrome. Google hasn't been forthcoming. Logically, using a ceramic core with windings wrapped so they can't short out comes to mind. Any thoughts?
2KW heater post536

Crmoore, I dont know if ISEF retain details of the projects other than the abstracts but you could contact them and see.
Ruairi talked about the comparative efficiencies of our system and Cynar PLC's 60 tonne per week system. He found that we were extracting more useful fuel per kilo than they were but obviously they were expending much less energy processing that same kilo. A large scale , continuous process will always be more efficient than a small batch process.
Im confident that our larger 100kg reactor will be much more efficient than our current 1kg unit.
One of the main issues in terms of practical efficiency is the amount of preparation of the waste plastic. In an industrial scale process the waste plastics are cleaned, shredded and dried before processing. This is done by machines with a minimum of manual handling. In a small scale operation performing these operations manually would account for more work than actually processing.
For this reason we are building a reactor with a large opening on top to facilitate loading of large pieces of waste plastic. While loading the reactor temp would be about 200 degrees C to allow "melting in" of the feedstock. Once full the reactor would be sealed and the temp raised to cracking levels.
Plenty of insulation around the reactor , reusing the heat from the reactor to heat the catalyst column and finally using the uncondensable gases to heat the first condenser should improve the overall efficiency

Aleksanderaddo, its good to hear from Macedonia, I spent a very enjoyable month in Skopje years ago. As we drove home from Macedonia across Europe the Berlin wall came down and Yugoslavia entered a terrible final chapter in its history.
Im afraid you wont find simple answers to your questions here. This forum is a collection of accounts of experiments by different people with different equipment. These will help you get started and avoid you wasting time trying things that dont work, but at present no one can give you a simple formula that will work in every situation.
There are two types of catalyst than will work in this process.
metal catalysts, nickel, palladium,platinum etc these are all very expensive.
Clay catalysts, there are hundreds if not thousands of types of clays. If this process is going to work for you the catalyst must be cheap so start by trying clays from your local area. Early in the forum Jetijs shows how to do this.

I am honored imakebiodiesel if you turn to come to Macedonia seems you have not seen much plastic is in Macedonia, which is thrown across the streets and I to protect Macedonia from dumps I want to make this invention pocnav but I have a problem with the catalyst as you told too of great benefit will be to do and you know what is macedonia and what pocvi have any clay or a nickel or PLATINUM whatever that needs to take to know how to make the catalyst will be taken so If you will be ordered from abroad just to be able to start to get oil that can be used in car engines, pumps for driving to improve the structure of Macedonia that want to invest. We in Macedonia we have a man who makes plastic oil, kerosene and petrol, but he is a man because I wanted to help Macedonia, but wants to help himself and all oil, kerosene and gasoline sold off overseas. will ask if you know the joja by Jetijs wrote for catalysts please help me know that I am very boring and I know that you still examine but keep me in mind for the catalyst. Thank you from the heart to help me start.

Watch the videos and do not understand how you like to remove oil

Here's what can be done catalyst

Just 'sharing' where I'm coming from; so far, I've been thinking about plastic in terms of 'identifiable' plastic; food or other containers, with the 'recycle' symbol cast in, or buying 'discard' plastic 'scrap' from a manufacturer, who can tell me what kind of plastic it is.
But, recently I had an 'Ion generator/fan', that stopped working, so I took it apart, to see if i could fix it. Couldn't, but having it all apart I realised there was a fairly small amount of it that was comprised of metal, and the vast majority was plastic.
Then, with my 'eyes opened', I began to look around me, and realised plastic is all around me (Duh, huh?!)
Appliances large and small, from portable fans and clothes irons, to washers and refrigerators, (food) dishes,and of coarse many car parts, as well, are PLASTIC.
I know several 'scrappers', who comb thru dumpsters and alleys, and 'scrap' everything they can; they generally are going for the metal, and throw the plastic away.
So, I'm thinking if one were to approach people who regularly do 'scrapping', and give them a barrel, and tell them to throw all the plastic in here, and I'll pay you "X" amount per pound, this COULD be a viable source for raw material.
Could go to multiple people, rather than expending my time/energy 'scrapping', myself; they are already doing it, but, as i said, are currently focusing on the metal, and throwing the plastic away!
Thing is, these plastic products don't have the 'recycle' symbol on them, telling what KIND of plastic they are, so, how to know?
It would be great if there were some kind of test that could be used, even if just as a 'guideline', for detirmining whether a plastic is appropriate for Pyrolysis.Judging by appearence and qualities, there seems to be 3 categories;
Firstly, a hard/brittle kind; if you bend it sharply, it either snaps, or turns white just where you 'fold' it; reminds me of the model cars we used to put together when I was a kid.
A 'tougher', more resilient and 'flexible' plastic; very difficult to 'bend', like truck bed liners and fender liners and bumper covers on cars are made from,
and Thirdly, the 'nylon'; usually white or black, used for making gears and 'control arms' on appliances, etc.
It would be great if we could develop some kind of a 'simple' field test that could be used to classify plastics as to whether they were 'desirable' (for Pyrolysis) or not. Perhaps some chemicals they either do or don't react with;
I'm thinking, (for instance) of the glue we used to use to assemble those model cars, when I was a kid; it 'glued' the plastic parts together, by melting it.
Even if the 'test' was a 2-3 part test; Solution "A" melts it, but solution "B" doesn't, so its 'Good', a different plastic, solution "A" has no effect, but solution "B" melts it. And so then you see how it reacts to solution "C".
Something similar to what the cops use, to 'test' street drugs, is what I'm visualising.
These 'scrappers' I'm thinking of, regularly use magnets, etc. to figure out what kind of metal they have, since they get paid more if they 'sort' it, so they could 'learn' to test, if the $ was there. And, WE could use such a testing system, for detirmining if plastic was appropriate 'feedstock', as well.
Any CHEMISTS out there, who could put there minds and knowledge to this,and see if they can come up with something??Jim

I have a ''deal'' with a friend: he recycle all the plastics that are entering his house, i come and pick it up; got something like 1kg/week. Offcourse i do the same in my house and i plan to speak to more friends about this, also some bars/restaurants.
You can do the same Dutchdivco.

Computer cases, dells have a lot of panels that are from ABS, cheap no-name computer cases have front made from ABS too. Computer monitors cases for sure, keyboards maybe.

I have here a jacket that has watte on the inside that is made from polyester; the futter is made out polyamid nylon. Old cloth made from plastics, polyester and others...

Other usables: shampoo bottles, milk juggs, combustible tanks from cars, dops from bottles, plastic toys ...

Jetijs have you ever considered glass jars as ''condensers''?

thx!

Later edit:

http://pubs.awma.org/gsearch/journal.../45_11_855.pdf

The higher the temperature, the better, i see 570C...

What about routing the diesel back to pyro chamber for more gasoline?

I think this is part of the problem. It isn't that people won't read the post, it's that the available translator software isn't up to the job. If english isn't your native language, your already at a disadvantage. It's a testament to all the contributors, that this is read in so many places.

Aha! (I was wondering what other language that this might be) mainly I was puzzled/curious (definitely not offended). I do appreciate the effort made by this international community to share & I'm glad I don't have to (even try to) write in another language-might be able to in Spanish but to change alphabets-whew.

look to jetis's posts

Yes, thanks, already recycling in my house; but re-iterating my suggestion, cause I THINK it has merit;
There are so many things made out of plastic, that DON'T 'say' what kind of plastic they are. Is there some way to tell, by the qualities of the plastic, or by its responce to certain 'test solutions' WHAT kind of plastic it is; whether it is something we want to Pyrolise, or NOT?
What about 'plastic' car bumpers, truck bed liners and fender liners, for instance? And the plastic 'trim' all over the interior of cars?
The 'ion generator' I just took apart, portable fans, and other small 'household appliances? Etc., etc, Rather than simply listing the kinds of things that are made out of the plastic we want, it would be great if we had some way to 'field test'.
Or, perhaps a 'rule out' kind of test; if this liquid melts the plastic, DON'T use it?Thanks, Jim

What about 'plastic' car bumpers, ABS do not use
Wheel arch covers, HDPE I believe need to test.

Thanks for the long explanation as the ISEF site did not have details. What precautions will you take re fumes off the melt?

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Dutchdivco, can't help you, sorry! the way i go if i have some ''x'' object from a strange ''y'' plastic, i just google it:

1. from what is made ''x'' object; result ''y''

2. pyrolysis of y

Hope u understand me

I put a glass jar on cooking machine with some spacers , reached ~140c in ~15minutes, stopped and put the jar in a pot and hit it a bit, trow it side to side. Jar is fine didnt shatter or crack, I wil test it at higher temperature after i get my self a good K-type probe. My old one broke down because of experiments like melting cooper