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Old 04-26-2011, 06:41 PM
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jetijs R u selling plants ???

Hi jetijs ;

i was surfing through the following website :
Tires To Oil | Oil | Generator | Thermal depolymerisation | tires | tire | Waste | Into | Oil | ERM | fuel | diesel

They are selling small pyrolysis plant of capacity 13-50 & 100 gallons.

Amazingly all the plant drawings, literature even the picture of the plant they offer are exactly the same as you provided on this forum at different times .

Is this your company ???
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Asad, that is not my company nor my web page. But the pictures are mine. Nobody asked for my permission to use those pictures. In one of them they even changed the color of the outer oil barrel. I don't know what to think about that.

Anyways, the messy extruder setup works well at least. Here are the pictures:





and here is a video:
YouTube - A messy homemade plastics extruder

This is just the first run. The motor is at its limits, need a stronger one. Everything else seems to work fine.
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Old 04-26-2011, 09:09 PM
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Energy Recovery Machines (ERM) website

When I stumbled upon the ERM website ~2 weeks ago I had mixed reaction: great concept but a sense that as a business there was some questiionable aura. After several emails and a couple of phone calls it seems that I asked too many questions-essentially was told I might take my business elsewhere. Although abit down that ERM is not the company I'd hope would supply us with a 10, 50 or 100 gallon plastic to oil (P2O) unit I'm glad to have found this forum. If there are P2O unit (would be) tinkerers near/in DE please post!
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Old 04-26-2011, 10:32 PM
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A shame, if your material is 'open source' on this forum, and not copywrited, it may be that you can't stop someone from using it.Want to bet this is from the same,....'member' that started that whole phoney dioxin scare? Unscrupuolous SOB. I'm wondering if anyone will actually recieve anything from this company, other than a lightening of their wallet.
As you may recall, can't watch videos. have you tried using a rotisserie motor? They are geared down to develop a heck of a lot of torque.Jim
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Old 04-26-2011, 10:40 PM
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Hi Jim.
They don't even have the info right, so I guess that is a typical scammer thing. Anyway, I already have a bigger motor and a serious gear reducer (13:1), will use that for the next setup
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Old 04-26-2011, 10:48 PM
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Only $25,000

to become a 'regional dealer'.Yeah, right! I would move on this, and quick. Only thing is, all my $'s tied up in this deal in Africa. Se this corrupt government official died, and he's got my last name,.....and all his $ is sitting in this bank account, and,...
Seriously, I think its a scam.
"ENERGY RECOVERY MACHINES MAKES NO WARRANTY, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, REGARDING THE ACCURACY OR COMPLETENESS OF THE INFORMATION PROVIDED HEREIN INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY OR FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR USE OR PURPOSE. ENERGY RECOVERY MACHINES SHALL NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES, DAMAGES FROM LOSS OF USE OR PROFITS, OR COST OF PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE GOODS OR SERVICES, IN CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE ARISING OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE INFORMATION CONTAINED HEREIN.

SAFETY DISCLAIMER: We are in no way responsible for damages to you, your family, your property or anyone else's property caused by operating this machine and making your own fuel. You are doing this at your own risk. Please be safe and think about the consequences of your actions, insurance is not going to pay for your house when they find out you burned it down making fuel. Even worse, you cannot bring a loved one back from the dead if something happened. Please be responsible." Jim
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Old 04-26-2011, 11:01 PM
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A shame, if your material is 'open source' on this forum, and not copywrited, it may be that you can't stop someone from using it.Want to bet this is from the same,....'member' that started that whole phoney dioxin scare? Unscrupuolous SOB. I'm wondering if anyone will actually recieve anything from this company, other than a lightening of their wallet.
As you may recall, can't watch videos. have you tried using a rotisserie motor? They are geared down to develop a heck of a lot of torque.Jim
Isn't that how Bill Gates started Microsoft by taking free public information, developing it a little further (or maybe not)and out popped DOS?!?!?

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energyrecoverymachine.com

Here is a thread dedicated to energyrecoverymachine.com and all some
contact info to log complaints:

EnergyRecoveryMachine.com

There isn't anything wrong with making money with public domain info. That is the point that
anyone can make money with it, use it, sell it, trade it, give it away.

But proper credit should be given and scam artists shouldn't take credit for other people's
inventions! And copyrighted info should be used only with permission.
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Old 04-27-2011, 12:38 PM
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Rotary feeder

Dear Jetijs ;

I was quite sure that this seems to be a SCAMMERS site NOT YOUR's.
I thought it would be better to let you & forum comunity should know how scammers are exploiting ......

The Rotary feeding machine , well done.
The concept is very good & most of the Chinese suppliers offer there system for fuel recovery with this kind of rotary infeed .
I saw the video & I wonder the RPM of the motor you attached seems to be quite on the higher side , what we do here in Pakistan, the RPM is between 15-30 RPM only.

I can listen the sound produced by the motor as if it has to apply too much torque . If you reduce the speed I believe the same motor will work fine .
The waste plastic will get more time to melt in the chamber & will come almost liquid-like .
At the end normally a metal mesh disk is attached which filters out most of the dirt particles which went with the waste plastic .So the molten plastic than fed into the reactor has minimal waste/carbon particles in it .
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Dear JETIJS ;

I would like to have comment’s from our COMMUNITY About the following article .
Is anyone using any stabilizers for there fuel ???


FUEL INSTABILITY

Newly manufactured diesel fuel from waste plastics can sometimes begin to deteriorate
as soon as it is produced. Within days of the diesel fuel being produced it goes through a
repolymerization and oxidation process. This process forms sediment and ‘insoluble gums’
in the fuel caused by the unsaturated fuel molecules (i.e. reactive olefins) lengthening
and linking together.
These components then drop to the bottom of the fuel storage
tanks and form a sludge. The fuel also begins to turn dark in colour and develop a
strong smell.
This will result in an increase in asphaltene agglomerations, polymerization and a dramatic
loss of combustion efficiency. The chemistry of diesel fuel instability involves the
chemical conversion of precursors to species of higher molecular weight with limited solubility.
The conversion process often involves oxidation of the precursors. Fuel solvency
plays a role, since the development of insolubles is always a function of both the presence
of higher molecular weight species and the fuel’s capacity to dissolve them.

‘Dark fuel’ is in general indicative of oxidation and is a sign that the process of fuel
degradation is in a far advanced stage.
Hazy fuel’ is indicative of polymerization of the fuel.

These components sink to the bottom of the fuel tank and form asphaltene also known as diesel sludge. The fuel begins to turn dark, odorous and in most cases causes
engines to smoke.

The engines smoke because some of these clusters in the early stages
are small enough in size to pass through the engine filtration and into the combustion chamber. As these clusters increase in size, only part of the molecule gets burned. The rest exits the exhaust as unburned fuel and smoke. With increases in cluster size they begin to reduce the flow of fuel by clogging filters.
The diesel needs to be ‘stabilized’ with diesel fuel additives that will inhibit ‘diesel polymerization’ and inhibit oxidation, darkening and agglomeration of certain components of the diesel.

One such effective stabilizing additive is Octel FOA-6. Octel FOA-6 and FOA-3 are amine-based antioxidants that are recommended for antioxidant protection of distillate fuels such as diesel.
FOA-3 and FOA-6 together with AO-22, generally give their best performance when added ‘hot and early’ to the fuel, usually to a cracked component in the run-down from the cracker.


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Old 04-27-2011, 02:44 PM
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"He" does give you credit, if "This is similar to a pocessor developed by 'some guy in Latvia' counts as credit. May not be an exact quote, but I did see something like that on the site. Haven't gone back, cause i don't want to flatter 'him', or give his site the 'hits'.
Here is a link to the insulation paint additive.
Insulating Paint Additive Makes Paint Insulate
I'm thinking it may be useful in some way in insulating the reactor, piping, etc.Less energy lost= more efficient, right?
On the additive, good point. My understanding is that all fuels, i.e. Diesel and gasoline, regardless of how their made, go thru this polemerisation process, and I think its starts as soon as they are formed.There are additives for both, to 'retard' this process, and considering the cost of the fuel, the additives shouldn't add that much to the price, and would be a good idea.
Also, a water injection system on a diesel engine that is going to be using 'alternative' diesel is a cheap form of insurance.Set it up with a pressure switch, under the gas pedal, so it activates when you 'floor' it; periodically 'steam cleans' the cylinders, blasting out any carbon build-up.Simple to make, using a windshield washer set up.Jim
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Old 04-27-2011, 06:05 PM
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Hi Dutchdivco ;
Any additive you experienced ?
Would you recommend it to us ?
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insulating pipes

I have that exact additive on every square inch on the walls and ceilings of my house. It works.

BUT - it is in primer that is not meant to be superheated.

I have mixed that additive in some high temp black paint for some
experiments. It can be used to insulate pipes, etc... but it is only radiant
reflective.

There are other additives that are also insulative and not just reflective.

For pipes, depending on temp, probably easier to just insulate with high
temp fiberglass exhaust wrap for headers then cover that with aluminum
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Old 04-27-2011, 08:11 PM
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I think its what they use

in 'ceramic' (actually, epoxy with this stuff added) paint for exhaust headers.I was thinking of either mixing your own, or buying the paint, THEN wrapping in fiberglass as you say.
I definetly want to use that stuff, to paint the inside of the walls of my housetrailer.Good to hear it works.
Was just thinking; heat used motor/WVO, (filtered, first) to a high enough temp to melt the plastic. Add in the plastic and stir.Then pipe/pump that mixture into the reactor.I don't know, it was just a random thought on a similar way to get the plastic into the reactor.

Oh, and no, sorry. I don't have any experience with additives, or reccomendations. Just recall on the WVO/Veg oil forums, reading that polymerisation can be a problem.Apperently some metals can greatly accelerate the process. I think I recall them saying avoid steel tanks, but (I think) aluminum is o.k. Not sure about stainless, copper is bad.Just going from memory, tho.Jim
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in 'ceramic' (actually, epoxy with this stuff added) paint for exhaust headers.I was thinking of either mixing your own, or buying the paint, THEN wrapping in fiberglass as you say.
I definetly want to use that stuff, to paint the inside of the walls of my housetrailer.Good to hear it works.
Nansulate Home and Industrial Thermal Insulation and Asset Protection Coatings
SUPERTHERM CERAMIC INSULATION COATING SUPER THERM OUTPERFORMS PAINT

Those two would work even better than the Hytech one I used
because in addition to being radiant reflective, they are also insulative -
a huge bonus for additives.

I did mix the hytech additive with some black paint used for wood stoves,
etc... and painted it on my hot water pipes, then I wrapped aluminum radiant barrier around that and then on top of that I put the foam
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Old 04-27-2011, 09:08 PM
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Asad, you are right. Oxidation might be a problem, because as the fuel flows out the condenser, it is yellow, but it turns dark brown over time and this is not the impurities, because we have the centrifugal filter now and this thing gets every solid out of the fuel and it still stays the same color. I don't know how this would work out over longer periods of time, but so far after some two weeks, the diesel fuel still is usable and works like a charm. My friend has been driving on this fuel for some time now, almost 300KM for now without any problems. Anyway, oxidizing problem can be easily solved with additives. I don't know the right brand or name yet, but it does not cost much, about some 15$ for liter, but you need to mix in only some 200 grams of the additive for 200 liters of fuel if I recall corectly. My friend will get some soon and I will post details of that stuff
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fuel stabilizer

$15 for a liter sounds cheap if it works good.

I used this for years mostly for gasoline:
“I’M NOT SMOKING DOPE WHEN I TELL YOU THAT I CAN MAKE YOUR GAS GREEN

Anyone can bypass that page to the purchase page here:
Aaron's Special Discount Page

It is a fuel stabilizer as well, prevents bacterial growth in diesel, etc...

This is the enhanced version of RXP Gas Kicker that is available in thousands
of Autozone stores across the US.
Amazon.com: RXP - Gas Kicker, 2.5 fl. oz.: Automotive
That is a small bottle with a lot of shipping cost - most people can get it
locally at autozone to experiment with.

The rxp generation ii is better and cheaper. It is the top fuel stabilizer
in the country. Unfortunately, it was distributed by an MLM company
by people that had no business being in business if you know what I
mean. When I run out of inventory that I'm stocked up on, I'll just buy
the gas kicker from Autozone.

This is all 1/2 ounce per 10 gallons. The label says 1 ounce per 10 gallons
but that was never shown to have any more effect. One of my partners
did all the tests with his 5 gas analyzer and 1/2 per 10 gallons gave the
max benefit possible.

Anyway, it preserves fuel for much longer than it normally lasts.
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how much energy

I have always thought about doing this, but how much energy realistically does this take, seems like a negative output device
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Seems like your not all that curious,

George.My first thought was to tell you about the new kind of Dr.; Cross between a chiropracter and a Proctologist.
Not sure what you mean by 'negative energy device'.If you mean its not perpetual motion plus, i.e. produces more energy than it uses, you are right.There are other threads on this forum where that concept is discussed.
Still, there are a # of variables, such as what source you are using for the heat; electricity, wood fired, or the gases or liquid fuels produced by the device.And, the material; plastic purchased from a recycling plant, old tires, etc.Even biomass.
So, i'm left with wondering why you posted, at all. Your other post in this forum, is also rather puzzling.Jim
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Should be a site set up showing people/scams who have extracted open source for profit against the open source engineers wishes, we will offer a domain for that if any one can do it (understaffed here), at least stop these guys some how with exposure

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Should be a site set up showing people/scams who have extracted open source for profit against the open source engineers wishes, we will offer a domain for that if any one can do it (understaffed here), at least stop these guys some how with exposure

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I like that idea although anyone that does it may face litigation problems
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Thought, questions

If these guys are really 'deliverying'; thats one thing. If someone doesn't want to research and build their own, and buys a unit, AND ACTUALLY GETS A WORKING UNIT, thats one thing.On the other hand, if they send their $, for a unit, or 'buy' a regional dealership, and never get anything for their $, thats a 'scam', and definetly needs to be exposed, ASAP.
Benefit of the doubt, PERHAPS this 'guy' was working on it on his own, just about had it all worked out, had his business plan, etc. and then 'stumbled' across this site, and in his eagerness, 'borrower' some of Jetsis materials.
As had been said, open source DOES mean anyone can use.If someone wants to use it, to start a legitimate business, their entitled. If someone wants to BUY a ready made unit, rather than building their own, their entitled.
The regional dealership thing looks to me like a way to raise capital; many start-ups are underfunded, and try this approach.Some few are able to make it work; most end up going broke, and end up in court, or with the principle sneaking out of town in the middle of the night.At the least, we should keep eyes on this 'operation', and be prepared to 'drop a dime' at the first sign of shenanigans. Would hate to see a scam give this technology a bad name.
One thing I did notice; said there are 2 options on condensing the last liquid fuel (gasoline) out of the gaseous discharge; bubble thru water, and then seperate, OR, 'if the condeser is cold enough' ALL of the remaining gasoline will precipitate out.So, depending on the set-up and practicality, one could put the last condeser in a cold water bath, or perhaps a small 'mini-fridge'. Its an option.
For the set-up I'm contemplating, would love to reduce/eliminate the carbon in the reactor; so I wouldn't have to open it up periodically to clean out the charcoal.Still trying to figure a way to use waste heat from a gen-set as my heat source.Its a matter of the design, not the task of cleaning. Would like to avoid making the hatch, with the conical seal, at all.Pump the plastic in through a pipe,and remove the gas with pipe.Then I could use a water heater for my reactor vessel, and run the exhaust from the genset through the central pipe of the water heater.Making an access hatch with the seal, on the side of a curved surface is proving challenging.Anyway, great stuff!Jim
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Old 04-28-2011, 05:31 PM
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Hi Dtchdivco,

On using a water heater you may want to make sure you find one with thick sides - I was thinking along the same concept as it is hard to find free old propane, welding or thick air compressor tanks in my area. A lot of the water heaters now have glass lining because the metal walls are so thin that somehow under the small pressure and heating of water it could get through the tank, so they added a glass layer (other reasons as well). The glass lining makes it harder to cut and weld as well.

I think Jetijs was able to put the machine grooved (which really is GREAT to save on replacing gaskets as well) on what was once curved by welding on a large pipe which would be the base for the tank side machined grove. I was actually thinking of doing that at the bottom of the tank for clean out and having a smaller "Jetijs style" grooved seal at the top for plastic input (perhaps the extruder could have a matching grove that would mate there as well??).

I am not as smart as Jetijs and many others in this group - so I am learning ALOT and am very thankful for all the help. Although my belief is that all "free energy" or "free to me energy" concepts should be open and for the greater good of all people, sometimes raising capital is the only way to advance something. That being said the person who photoshoped Jetijs' unit blue is going to have a lot of legal issues by selling dealerships if he is has not or is unable to obtain necessary regulatory approval for these units to actually be used in commerce. There is a big difference between experimenting in the inventive stage and actually producing a product that is to be sold as a business.
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Although my belief is that all "free energy" or "free to me energy" concepts should be open and for the greater good of all people.
I can drink to that!
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I removed the end piece of the extruder and pressed out the drill. It had some plastics stuck to it but it came off very easily, the metal just needs to be smooth and the plastic will not stick to it. That is a good thing Cleaning wont be a problem.

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Just a thought

They make titannium coated drill bits now, in about every configuration; you know the golden/amber colored ones. Also, its not that expensive to have something titannium coated. Just thinking that might give you a better surface; smoother, harder, less subject to heat, and that the plastic may stick to it less.Just thinking,....

And yeah, once you start doing something as a business, and start selling a product, and taking peoples $ for exclusive dealerships, their are all sorts of legal and regulatory issues you have to be aware of.Jim
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And yeah, once you start doing something as a business, and start selling a product, and taking peoples $ for exclusive dealerships, their are all sorts of legal and regulatory issues you have to be aware of.Jim
I don't plan anything like that in near future. So far our filosofy has been to share everything so that anyone with building skills can replicate it. And we will make the devices for those who can't or don't want to build them for themselves. For a little profit of course. Anyway, the main thing is the info needs to get out there. There is a saying, - you wont get new info if you don't give away the current one-
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Jetijs they are some of the most liberating open source spirited words ever uttered in this field, your one of a kind Bro. I think every one values you here, not only your talent but your ability to get on with the job and get it out there, i think in the end open source successful systems will override the small mishaps, if we keep on the job, i see you already won bro


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PS, some one should be making a documentary on OPEN source in this field for many benefits and support, those words Jet said are enough inspiration for me, i am in contact with Christopher Toussaint
From Free Spirit Productions
He is the producer of the videos, Free Energy: The Race to Zero Point and
Cold Fusion: Fire from Water, i bet he would be interested down the track.
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Ash I'll second that, 'you wont get new info if you don't give away the current one' I think we already know that jetijs lives by that philosophy, it's the folk like he and yourself that will lead many more too that goal.

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ERM site-still open for business

Wanted to add that I wondered about their contact address (a PO Box in Tulahoma(sp?)) so I checked with Tulahoma City. The helpful officials I called hadn't heard of this company which they agreed was suspect thus alerted I traced down a video linked to you w/o much surprise. Now I wonder from where remaining photos/text on this website were lifted.
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