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Old 11-13-2010, 06:53 PM
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Suppression document and YouTube

The below linked by Craig Brown of the Free Energy Truth page on Facebook, is very interesting: It is a document listing what technologies are to be Secretized by the panel at the Pentagon that looks at every Patent Application.... de-classified via the "Freedom of Information Act".

Craig also did a very nice YouTube on this subject

http://www.fas.org/sgp/othergov/invention/pscrl.pdf

YouTube - FREE ENERGY: Secret Technology Suppression

Note that in there listed is:

"Fuel Conservation Technology" and

"Alternative Fuels".

as being subject to Suppression... also

"Pollution Reduction Technology" and

"Apparatus for Increasing Efficiency" and

"Hydrogen Enrichment Technologies".

And the REAL kicker lol...

Photo-voltaic panels "in excess of 20% efficient" !!

Lol, they don't even want us to have solar panels more than 19% efficient.

WAIT A MINUTE.. Isn't that the limit of what is AVAILABLE FOR SALE TODAY??

Wow. What a coincidence

Lol, here is PROOF that fully conventional and HARMLESS techs are even subject to their suppressions.

This is a smoking gun that shows that the corruption in the Pentagon to keep us using primitive and polluting sources of energy to perpetuate their monopolies, is still going strong. these people who Review Patent Applications, HAVE NO CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT AT ALL. They are a law unto themselves.

Of course most things listed there are weapons or tech that could be used for weapons.

But are we really worried if "terrorists" can get "60 miles to a gallon of gas" LOL?

Or if they have solar panels by their caves that are 30% efficient instead of 19% ? See, this document is very damning. It shows that this is not about "weaponization" it is about perpetuating illegal Trusts and monopolies; and is inherently CORRUPT. When we consider these corporations have Public Stocks and actively manipulate the Energy Commodities Markets, it is clear that this is illegal stock manipulation and price fixing on a huge scale, that makes "Berny Madoff" look like a guy selling bad hot dogs from his cart on the corner.

What we need, is to Petition our political leaders to get these illegal suppressors STOPPED. The old Patent Applications need to be RE-EVALUATED... and those not remotely "weaponizable" RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC. A new Panel of independent scientists and others need to do this work.. with TIME SEALED reports (say, sealed for "twenty years"), which will keep them much more "honest" because at least they know that SOMEDAY they could be caught and held accountable for what they have done to Humankind. As long as no one looks at these decisions, as long as these sociopaths do as they wish... the illegal suppression of SAFE energy techs, that is helping DESTROY this planet... will go on indefinetly. These people have NO INTENTION of ever giving up their unprecidented power over us all willingly.

We know beyond ANY doubt, that Admirals and Generals retire from the Pentagon, and often immediately go into prestigious jobs with defense corps that pay millions a year in salary.... It is a well-known and obvious, but tolerated, form of Corruption. It happens all the time. And when trillions in monopoly profits are at stake, it is quite clear what is going on here.
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Old 11-14-2010, 10:08 AM
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Hi jibbguy, thanks for sharing the information that I hope most here are already aware of, though the issue still needs to be healed for the sake of life. Though I have come to a realization about this, people will not listen to you or me unless they have the eyes and ears to hear, otherwise it's like spitting in the wind, nobody's home so to speak. It seems like a spiritual consciousness awareness battle to me, where the manipulators (whatever their origins) are well trained in how the human mind and psyche functions and unless a human being breaks out of the conditioning they have received, odds are they will go to their grave in ignorance, which to me ignorance is what evil really is. We can only hope this consciousness awakening is occurring and then people will naturally see through the actually poor attempt at mind control and will naturally realize how fake this reality has been for awhile now in terms of real progress with regard to all things that would raise the quality of life for all. I have told everyone I know about technology suppression and other things over the past few years and they mostly just revert back to the old program conditioning. Though I am seeing people become more loving as well, so all is not lost. Love is what needs to flourish in the hearts and minds of all, for this suppression situation to change, otherwise, without love foremost in their hearts and minds, they either will not care or will be apathetic or will be the manipulators. Love is our savior, nothing else.
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Old 11-14-2010, 11:15 AM
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Well that is more then a bad April fools joke,
but at last, you get a Document, what you can hand out, when someone
claims again, there is nothing like Free Energy.
I think, this Doc is even enough to let her Mouth stand open for a while.
Save it print it out and mark the Part with the Solar Panels at Bolt Letters
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If yer looking for handouts that shut up the naysayers... i've found this works pretty well too... lol which was the main reason for doing it

Jibbguy's Blog: 2009: the Year that Perpetual Motion Ended

I could write an article THIS year, and say that 2010 was the year that the facade about clean energy ended...

They no longer even pretend to do something about it. The oil and energy cartels are in such tight control now, they would not even allow solar panels at the White House for 18 months until the story about it got around, and just last week, they were forced to. The number of "Secretizations" of Patent Applications has actually RISEN this year. The Federal response to the BP Gulf Disaster has been so blatantly corrupt, even the Blind could see it... Lol obviously they no longer even care about appearances. ALL the Obama promises about clean energy were total lies and not one has materialized. Even last years' Grant program by the U.S. DoE turned out to be nothing but a "spider web" to suppress more techs.

We are on our own here folks. And if this is EVER going to change...It is going to have to be from the bottom up via grass roots activism.
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Yes jibbguy,

Your are correct, however is not actually obama fault, he has probably suffered life threats, so he need to obey them. I'm pretty sure of that. He is not the only one, in my country i believe the same happen.

Problem is that those extracting enriching uranium and princes of oil won't let the empire go down, so they would create a nuclear war if needed.

This are companies with millions of stockholders also interested in maintaining their gains. Anyone could contract someone to kill Stanley meyer, so thats why no one get the responsibility.

Companies like Coke-cola comes to amazon for example to open a fabric, they will make a study of how much damAge they will cause to the rivers and how many families will die due to the toxic wastes in the first 10 years, than they calculate the injuries due to indemnities and present to the team that will approve or not the construction of the fabric. For say the gains in the next 10 years will be 10billions, and we will need to pay maybe 10 millions of indemnities to 100 families that will die, are you all in agreement with the implementation of the fabric?

you know the answer is yes.

and no one get responsibility of the hundreds of deaths.

this is the system we are living.
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Old 11-15-2010, 09:21 AM
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There is another way to read the list:

You can read in it what they already have, and where they are at, what they do not interest (any-more) and what they are keen to find out.
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Thanks man Craig makes great Vids. Please check this Jib,
Patent Office
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ALL info plus a method to begin class action and mandates is posted there with new info. Any thing needed there let me know guys

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Old 11-18-2010, 11:06 PM
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"Help" from a very undexpected source

why we are on the subject

YouTube - Exxon Mobil Automotive Hydrogen Generator and Delivery System.flv
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Well the biggest shame is people's persistent behavior when it come to dealing with this stuff.
Why patent anything? Why cooperate? Sign the papers, go to a lawyers office and post it on the Internet. And dare them to charge you with any crime.

The other shame is how we have convinced ourselves that we should as some form of progressive, be a peace loving people. "To know is enough to combat".
Rubish!!!

I don't know, I am glad everyday I move further from needing anything from society. This is probably the only reason I don't just flat out commit violence on someone. But I keep my guns clean and my ammo dry.

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Old 11-19-2010, 03:17 PM
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Maybe i should have given that above link its own thread... It is certainly worthy of our attention.

YouTube - Exxon Mobil Automotive Hydrogen Generator and Delivery System.flv

What i meant obviously by my comment, was that if you are looking for Proofs of the validity of the technologies we study here.... THERE IS ONE that is quite "powerful".

I bet you all that Exxon Mobile is NOT going to market this hydroxy system any time soon, lol. It is what is called a "assET covering ploy" to attempt to cover themselves legally and morally when the technology DOES surface into the mainstream... something they can point to, when questions of "shelving" come out.

But that's fine. Because that 1 minute ad has done something anyway, that we could not succeed in doing for 30 years:

It has VERIFIED THE VALIDITY OF HYDROXY.

And the question is now closed

And the anti- hydroxy shills will be looking for new places to haunt lol....

Allow me to suggest the "Leprechans, faeries, and wood sprites" forums next

That is not to say, that legitimate questioning of individual claims/devices is not warranted (the "fast freddy" claims come to mind, it REALLY DESERVES a great deal of skepticism by the Open Source community, whom it is TARGETING as a professionally-done "psy-ops game", imo).

But the basic technology itself of H and O from water as

ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE ENERGY

is now considered REAL AND VALID. If Dr. Daniel Nocera's work at MIT did not already prove that; the fact that Exxon Mobile is admitting it's "real" does.
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efficient solar technologies

80-90% efficient solar cell technology:
Caltech Researchers Create Highly Absorbing, Flexible Solar Cells with Silicon Wire Arrays - Caltech Media Relations
At bottom you can see it is "supported" by BP.
That was sent to me a few days ago.

Not that we will have a chance to buy these for our homes
anytime soon!

And this 80-90% efficient solar cell technology was developed
25 or so years ago:
Alvin Marks - Lepcon& Lumeloid -- 90% efficient solar-electric power conversion -- articeles & patents
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Old 11-22-2010, 01:32 PM
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That's very interesting; i had missed that Cal Tech announcement when it came out. Thanks for posting it

Silicon itself is extremely cheap and abundant: The "expensive" nature is in regards to processing it.

As we saw with "Microprocessors" and PC "Memory", is that with Economy of Scale the price drops by literally THOUSANDS of times when manufacturing gears up for it.

So it is a situation where in 2 years a 500 watt panel could be about one third the size and weight of existing "BP" ones of the same output, and still cost about half of what they do today... possibly even less.

This lowers the "ROI" Return of Investment period greatly....to less than 2 years... the magic number.... and will be the deciding factor for small businesses and home owners to start installing them by the millions.

Any ambitious folks here see a Business Opportunity for yourselves there, lol?

Partner with a licensed Roofer, and a licensed Electrician. Most States require this if you want an actual installation business.

Or be a Consultant and Systems Integrator, which requires no licenses as what you are doing is providing everything in a package (including Grid Tie circuitry if required) to a homeowner or small business... for them to assemble and install it themselves (although a licensed Electrician usually must do the Grid Tie-in). This is the way around the State laws that are DELIBERATELY designed as a bottle-neck.. Such as Pennsylvania, which requires all new wanna-be solar installers to take a 6 week course in Harrisburg and then take a test (an absurd requirement for most folks, lol and 6 weeks in Harrisburg is like 100 years in Hell ).

Every State is different, but several have done similar things... that look good on paper until carefully studied

The Big Question that remains in a "Solar Economy" is this: Are we to rely on batteries then (lol, if so then Aaron is in exactly the right business with his Bedini Renaissance Charger franchise, as it would appear that sales of these will really soar.. to a point that Mr. Bedini will have to license manufacture because they could not possibly put out enough of them)?

But there are other ways too, besides relying only on batteries. The questions with them ALWAYS revolve around trade-offs that are about:

> Complexity
> Cost
> Reliability
> Maintenance Concerns


Such as Dr. Daniel Nocera's plan to use the excess electricity during the day for generating Hydroxy gas. Then store the "H" (only) for use. His specific plan uses electric power cells for this, but the H, and O, could certainly be burned instead; although there is a problem with storing it together. Perhaps using two separate tanks (using a cell design that separates the gasses), then re-mixing it later at low pressures will work.

There are other methods too of storing "Energy": Running water uphill into a tank or elevated pond with a pump during the day, then run a gen from the pressure of the water dropping back down at night... a bit wasteful perhaps, but does that "matter" as much, when the energy is essentially "free" to begin with? we know that off-the-shelf "shallow well" (rotating impeller) pumps attached to induction AC motors can usually be "run backwards" as an electrical dynamo, and provide up to 20 kW.. enough to run every appliance in your house at once.

Do you know how many batteries and inverters are needed for that?

Or run an air compressor during the day to fill a BIG tank, and use the air at night. This has some interesting "climate control" features as well for heating or cooling (air motor running an alternator).

These are all "conventional" solutions... with NO controversy involved. They can be SOLD NOW to people to virtually divorce them from needing the Grid. Yet what is stopping it?

The artificially high Return of Investment period... ROI is the key. And they KNOW it. That's why we do NOT see real incentives from the US government to get those manufacturing costs down... when they have done similar incentives to DOZENS of other industries over the years, because they know it pays off.
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Thats a great practical move what you mentioned there Jib about the petitioning, that's why we have that on the Patent page (activism section), we can provide all our signatures for it too, i am going to try and find some time (hahahahaha-sorry) to study how easy it is to set up class actions, mandates (some thing more extreme then petitions) FROM DIGITAL MEDIUMS.

This digital age makes it easy, that's why name email and country can do millions of petitions signing, with mandates they have to do it, a petitions is a request but can create enough public pressure and has in the past, also a class action makes them do it too, we have the numbers, people power worked in every single mandate , class action and mostly petitions too .

Hey man, it works! So why not.
Thanks Jib added it all there for every one.

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Thanks m8. I really like what you've been doing at the Panacea site. Kudos to you and Andrew for all you do for us

In some ways petitions are an ends to a means. Whether they are ignored perhaps is not as important as the fact that they work to help inform and unite people and get them motivated.

We need a lot of that lol, any way we can.

We all need to take this information here and other places, and tell our friends, neighbors, family, and co-workers about it.

WHAT THESE LATEST REVELATIONS SHOW, is that free energy is NOT fringe any more. We all don't need to worry about being ostracized and minimized (lol if we ever did), when the whole paradigm is shifting and what we've been saying for years is finally beginning to come to pass... and has been VERIFIED.

... We are going mainstream, folks

So let's use this new power to get the word out... to GET THE WORD OUT.

Grass Roots Pressure from below is how we will get REAL change, and not just the same old lying rhetoric about "20 years from now".
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80-90% efficient solar cell technology:
Caltech Researchers Create Highly Absorbing, Flexible Solar Cells with Silicon Wire Arrays - Caltech Media Relations
At bottom you can see it is "supported" by BP.
That was sent to me a few days ago.

Not that we will have a chance to buy these for our homes
anytime soon!

And this 80-90% efficient solar cell technology was developed
25 or so years ago:
Alvin Marks - Lepcon& Lumeloid -- 90% efficient solar-electric power conversion -- articeles & patents
Aaron that's unbelievable I thought Boeing had the monopoly..at 39%
Boeing Plans Large-Scale Production of 39.2 Percent Efficient Photovoltaic Cells | Solar Power

Jib, that's EXACTLY where it has to START. EXACTLY There have been many civil rights groups and activist groups for other issues never ours, so the bit of pioneering that your doing is essential
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Hehehe imo its not "pioneering" m8, it's more about "History"... although nowadays it's somewhat "radical" to even suggest what was commonplace 30 years ago.

It's really simply REMEMBERING that we once were highly successful in changing things for the better...

So we understand and realize that we can be successful again in the future too. I cannot stress enough how important this is for us.

Nothing is "given", no aliens will come along and save us... the criminals will not suddenly change their stripes.... and things won't ever change regarding Energy without the back-pressure from below that makes it change.

There is one way to get a corrupt government official "do the right thing":

Make it more uncomfortable for them NOT to act, than to act. Its called Brinkmanship, and it's the only way the People will have their wishes heard. We need to learn that again.

Talking about the "NWO" as the over-arching conspiracy behind everything is not especially useful: For one thing, it gives the impression there is a monolithic gigantic wall that we could never breach... that it is "hopeless".

That is simply wrong. This political system we live in is really quite fragile: It relies on TRUST of the government and media to even exist. When this trust is eroded in enough people's minds.. its all over for the criminals except the Trials and Sentencing Appearances.
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There will always be a conflict of interest and no informed consent UNTIL..
There is an institute specific for policing this which is evidence based, independent and no aligned - NO PROFIT service
hang on that's what your non profit org is setting out to do

Like Aaron each time you post you might be surprised later on how it helps and we can use it

Thanks Jib

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Another new vid from Craig Brown of Free Energy Truth: Very nice work, Craig!

YouTube - Free Energy World - Get Ready For The Changes!
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Old 11-27-2010, 11:23 PM
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Good video!

Jeanne Manning gave a speech at the conference the other week in Coeur d'Alene. She asked the question "How will free energy change the future?". She opened it up for a few people to come up and answer. 1 out of about 10 people actually answered the questioned and he was pretty motivated about the future and our efforts to change it.
The rest used there opportunity to advertise there business. Hijack Advertising if you will.
One thing that has also got to change with the opportunity to employ free energy is the mindset that generally all people are consumers. People need to be encouraged fight that mold as often as possible and resist anyone who forces it upon them.

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Very interesting Matthew. i am really sorry i could not attend, i very much respect the work of Jeanne Manning, and many of the other folks there

Anyone who accuses this genre of "socialism" is dead wrong... there's plenty of self-interest and "capitalistic" activity going on lol.

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I would ask you all to consider signing this Petition on Saving the Internet. the lastest set of Laws in the Senate, would give them draconian powers to shut down ENTIRE ISP's just because they feel like it, with no legal recourse, and simply because some scum bag lawyer made an UNSUBSTANTIATED claim about intellectual property. Recently (within the last 2 days), the US gov shut down over 76 sites... PROVING they have enough laws to get REAL lawbreakers NOW as it is.

Intellectual Property is the MOST subjective and controversial part of all Business Law (similar to Patent Infringement Laws)... So to combat it, they make the most draconian laws, with the least recourse for falsely accused victims, EVER SEEN? That makes no sense at all. They are essentially INVITATIONS for corporate shysters to steal other powerless people's property; and will put a huge scare into anyone who runs an internet business.

So why these next set of laws then...? They are NOT about intellectual property, they are about CENSORSHIP and ending dissent. And they shred and trash the US Constitution, creating a dangerous Precedent. It is almost UNBELIEVABLE that the Senate would even consider it, but they are.

Please spread this; its important.

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OpEdNews - Article: There is Something Wrong with the Independent Media
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Thats kind of "No Duh!!" story. We all should know that it is that way,and its getting worse. He does point some good examples.

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Thanks Mathew (and yes i agree these things should be more widely understood, but unfortunately it would appear they are not).

I wrote that article because at that "OpEd News", less than 1% of arts. are about the BP Gulf Disaster.... and probably 0.1% are about alternative energy (even including "conventionals")... and only one buried and ignored art. (and that was only a link) even mentioned the Fed's release of data regarding who they gave the bail out money to:

And make no mistake, that is a MAJOR story damaging to the banks and Fed that is being heavily suppressed.... even apparently in the so-called alternative media too. That general story could eventually put Bernanke and several trans-national bank executives in prison (lol fat chance, but you never know).

I sent in my own "link" story on it there to OpEd News last week, and it got completely buried, it never even showed up on the main front page (which is something that they would have to do "manually" and deliberately, other wise it would be visible on the main page for at least a little while, because the que is based on "time" they were submitted).
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Oh I didn't realize you wrote it. I thought is was just a good article you were pointing too.

Very good job brother.

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Hi jibbguy, have you tried sending it in to "Before It's News"? I believe they accept articles from anybody. At least some of the stuff they have on their site is pretty far out and some seems to be from real people trying to get other people to see the danger in what is going on in our country. You might give them a try. I read most of the articles with a somewhat skeptical mind, but I have also gotten some pretty good info from there on occasion.

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Hey just wanted to mention I gave it to my Mother, she's big on research in this similar subject matter. She really liked the article as well. She said your great writer.

She want to know if she finds a place to post it is OK. A link or something?
Just to spread it a bit. I didn't think you would mind but I figure I should ask.

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Thanks, Matthew (and thanks for the suggestion citfta i will check it out),

Yes its OK to publish it other places once the "48 Hours Exclusivity" at OEN wears out (tonight about 11 pm i think).

Other than that it is "open source" hehehe

I choose that place to publish first, as it is probably "the best of a bad lot" lol regarding the personal opinions of editors towards "free energy" and other "radical" subjects, and it has a quite large semi-mainstream readership that includes many members of Congress and/or their staff. Rob Kall there is a "good guy", but i really have no idea what constraints he is put under to be allowed to operate at all... but i am willing to bet, that there are "constraints"... for ALL of the major sites.
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Guys what about a Wiki leaks sector of this stuff?
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Old 12-08-2010, 03:23 AM
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Assange says that one of his major rules is the material can't be "self-produced"... so it must come from some government or corporate source

Wikileaks claims it is now holding some very damaging stuff on "BP", in case Assange is killed or put in prison.

Is it the shelving of more efficient solar panels, or a memo on how they must suppress them? Maybe some other free energy device they shelved?

Or is it a "smoking gun memo" ordering Obama around on how to handle the Gulf Disaster?

Interesting to speculate on. We should all write him and urge him to release it now anyway; they've probably got enough other stuff in "reserve" (they also claim to have something really bad on Bank of America)... But we REALLY NEED to get some hard evidence on BP right now.

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THIS STORY IS VERY IMPORTANT TOO: But it is being totally ignored, and censured not only in the mainstream media, but even by the so-called "independent media"... Why? Because, it can eventually put Bernanke and his buddies IN PRISON for Fraud, lying to Congress, and several other things including Anti-Trust act

Lol, it is pretty funny in one respect: They corrupted, co-opted, or intimidated into silence 99 out of 100 US Senators... but that last ONE can sink them all

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