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I am looking for information about lighting an incasdescent light bulb with a capacitor at least for a second. Not using supercapacitors and using any kind of schematic.

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Hi AetherScientist :-)


i am interested in OU device in general but specialized in the E-TBC technology as a promising device.. so i just give my point of view about how could Don Smith device look like.

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i am interested in OU device in general but specialized in the E-TBC technology as a promising device.. so i just give my point of view about how could Don Smith device look like.

Best regards.
Thanks, it seems interesting and I am going to search a little bit information about the E-TBC.

Smith device has a lot of questions to ask, but the two more important are:
1. How to use the energy from those capacitors to perform work
2. How to charge that capacitor bank in less time.

Maybe a capacitor with superconductivity charges very fast, or not.
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nice video, i had the same problem with my E-TBC when i was able to charge a capacitors bank to a high level but when connecting a light bulb i only see a spark in the connection of the bulb ! when short circuit the capacitor with a thin copper wire, the wire burn immediately... my explanation is : i only get voltage without real current.
I am reading part of your pdf files.

About the bulbs, I see the same sparks when I connect them to the capacitors.
I don't see any light or sparks inside the bulb, only sparks in the connection of the bulb. Well, I think it's needed to select a correct value. I think it's needed more capacitance but I think also that is the capacitance is small the capacitor should discharge on the bulb without sparks.
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Thanks, it seems interesting and I am going to search a little bit information about the E-TBC.

Smith device has a lot of questions to ask, but the two more important are:
1. How to use the energy from those capacitors to perform work
2. How to charge that capacitor bank in less time.

Maybe a capacitor with superconductivity charges very fast, or not.
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superconductivity is achieved in room temperature using the capability of the induced rotating electric field to recharge the capacitor upon oscillation, so you have electrons in condensed quantum state, now you got a squared ( or amplified ) electromagnetic flux, you just need another L2 coil with proportional length to tune ( or talk ) with L1 coil.

when L2 is able to talk with L1 and L1 is able to talk with the ambient background energy the output from L2 will be a replicated active power thousand or million in time according your frequency ..

charging the capacitor bank isn't a problem even we could enhance this further more, at this stage we have to change the frequency and voltage to the desired level, here a lots of people will come and help ! don't worry .
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What is the name of the E-TBC inventor?

it's me Mohamed.
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superconductivity is achieved in room temperature using the capability of the induced rotating electric field to recharge the capacitor upon oscillation, so you have electrons in condensed quantum state, now you got a squared ( or amplified ) electromagnetic flux, you just need another L2 coil with proportional length to tune ( or talk ) with L1 coil.

when L2 is able to talk with L1 and L1 is able to talk with the ambient background energy the output from L2 will be a replicated active power thousand or million in time according your frequency ..

charging the capacitor bank isn't a problem even we could enhance this further more, at this stage we have to change the frequency and voltage to the desired level, here a lots of people will come and help ! don't worry .
What you mean with proportional length?
I have heard about different techniques and there are more that I don't know.

One technique I heard is that L1 wire lenght must be 1/4 of the L2 wire length.
Another technique is that the weight of L1 and the weight of L2 must be the same.
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What you mean with proportional length?
I have heard about different techniques and there are more that I don't know.

One technique I heard is that L1 wire lenght must be 1/4 of the L2 wire length.
Another technique is that the weight of L1 and the weight of L2 must be the same.


in my opinion the correct option is the first where L1 wire length must be 1/4 of the L2 wire length, this is because we are using electrostatic induction, the E-TBC secure this condition because the voltage in it depend on its length so we have to follow it in L2 coil to make the two coil L1/L2 talk to each other.


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It would be interesting to perform the Lenz's Law (coil + magnet + voltmeter) using a bucking coil configuration and check the behaviour. Also there are other configurations that would be interesting to test.

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in my opinion the correct option is the first where L1 wire length must be 1/4 of the L2 wire length, this is because we are using electrostatic induction, the E-TBC secure this condition because the voltage in it depend on its length so we have to follow it in L2 coil to make the two coil L1/L2 talk to each other.


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Apart of the 1/4 wire lenght... Do you look at any other parameters to make talk L1 to L2?
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see you the next time. good night.
Thank You for all of your input, I don't know what to say yet but I want
you to know I am taking all of this in. I see the posts of yester-year
from folks who had no intention on teaching and I gained some knowledge.

I am beginning to understand these very specific diagrams and theory.
What I need is to hear a summation of any kind. Meaning that I need
and entry into the over all theory or device operation.

Not to low key at all what you and MED are sharing. You guys are
awesome and I enjoy every minute of your exchange. If possible
drop a line for those of us who wonder what these diagrams will
eventually apply to, if I said that right?

I stated before that I thought the Don Smith did different things but
I have never found an answer to that question. In other words how
would you explain the D.S. device operation by using a simple flow
chart for us who remain on the side lines wondering.

Don had a lot of stations that the energy went through.

Thank you for your time and may God Bless you.

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There's plenty of DS material out there, but I thought I'd throw in this link:
http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Reference_Mat...an-11-2012.pdf
I've only skimmed through it, but for what it's worth, see what Zilano says on page 61 (first response).

I've got charge going into my caps., and sparks when I discharge (short) them. I'd sure like to be able to use that stored potential.
Tomorrow's another day.
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Thank You for all of your input, I don't know what to say yet but I want
you to know I am taking all of this in. I see the posts of yester-year
from folks who had no intention on teaching and I gained some knowledge.

I am beginning to understand these very specific diagrams and theory.
What I need is to hear a summation of any kind. Meaning that I need
and entry into the over all theory or device operation.

Not to low key at all what you and MED are sharing. You guys are
awesome and I enjoy every minute of your exchange. If possible
drop a line for those of us who wonder what these diagrams will
eventually apply to, if I said that right?

I stated before that I thought the Don Smith did different things but
I have never found an answer to that question. In other words how
would you explain the D.S. device operation by using a simple flow
chart for us who remain on the side lines wondering.

Don had a lot of stations that the energy went through.

Thank you for your time and may God Bless you.

Michael Rowland (Central Kansas)
If you or any user post a video on the net related with all these posts, let it know here. I would like to watch it.

About Don Smith devices, I suggest to start with the most simple ones. Smith has more than 5 devices, some of them are very basic. The big device (the one that we usually know) is much more complex than other ones.

So if you want to experiment with Smith's devices, start with something very easy like this one:
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So if you want to experiment with Smith's devices, start with something very easy like this one:
Yes please continue. Also look at this flow chart of a radio and
when you can please give me some idea how a D.S. device would
look.

As a for instance in the chart for a radio we see a radio freq. section.
In this section an explanation is given so that there is an understanding
about what it does. In the RF section let's say high freq waves are
collected or trapped by a tank circuit inside the RF section.

Now let's move on to the INTERMEDIATE section where RF is stepped
down or converted to a low freq. Filtering and another complete
description of the circuits objectives.

Next is the audio stage where even lower freq. is had for pumping
a speaker.

This is a question that seems in order so that I may understand the
goals of each stage of a D.S. device, if there is such.

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Check these drawings and compare it to the circuit I built some time ago (av plug + Smith capacitor, shown in picture in this thread).

I post these drawings and I will keep watching this thread. When you guys post a few videos (from 2 or 3 users and at least 2 videos each user) about ideas that you have observed from this thread, I will keep posting more interesting information.

For the moment I will keep only reading (not writting) this thread and building some circuits. So take note of the homework you have and when you do your homeworks I will do my homeworks (posting more information here).

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Apart of the 1/4 wire lenght... Do you look at any other parameters to make talk L1 to L2?

sometimes tuning is related to signal strength, if L1 is able to produce strong signal tuning will be easy, this imply the presence of resonance in L1 the reactor coil, the second thing i am thinking about is the elements of electricity itself... in other words what's electricity.. ?!, in my opinion understanding this will help us a lots.

take the E-TBC as example, you have electrons spinning CW giving electric current other electrons will spin CCW to give voltage, the same number of electrons in both side do this so you have voltage equal current, this happen thousand or million time in one second according the frequency, the electricity we need must be converted to DC electric power.. it's another static condition differ from the previously dynamic electricity.

the first dynamic state has three elements, you have voltage electrons CCW, current electron CW and the resistance R, the resistance in the E-TBC isn't a dissipative element since it's an open circuit there's No lenz's law to be applied, the device act as an open parallel L/C that pass through serial connection before it continue it's oscillation providing twice the frequency of ordinary equivalent parallel L/C..

the point here is to convert these three elements to just two elements because we need DC in the output to be conserved and converted ..
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Yes please continue. Also look at this flow chart of a radio and
when you can please give me some idea how a D.S. device would
look.

As a for instance in the chart for a radio we see a radio freq. section.
In this section an explanation is given so that there is an understanding
about what it does. In the RF section let's say high freq waves are
collected or trapped by a tank circuit inside the RF section.

Now let's move on to the INTERMEDIATE section where RF is stepped
down or converted to a low freq. Filtering and another complete
description of the circuits objectives.

Next is the audio stage where even lower freq. is had for pumping
a speaker.

This is a question that seems in order so that I may understand the
goals of each stage of a D.S. device, if there is such.

Thank you for your time.


Hi, thanks also for your nice words, just to add something to your post, it's the telescopic antenna :




this antenna is used especially to receive the very high frequency in MHZ, it's also empty inside so to minimize the skin effect to the lowest level.
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sometimes tuning is related to signal strength, if L1 is able to produce strong signal tuning will be easy, this imply the presence of resonance in L1 the reactor coil, the second thing i am thinking about is the elements of electricity itself... in other words what's electricity.. ?!, in my opinion understanding this will help us a lots.

take the E-TBC as example, you have electrons spinning CW giving electric current other electrons will spin CCW to give voltage, the same number of electrons in both side do this so you have voltage equal current, this happen thousand or million time in one second according the frequency, the electricity we need must be converted to DC electric power.. it's another static condition differ from the previously dynamic electricity.

the first dynamic state has three elements, you have voltage electrons CCW, current electron CW and the resistance R, the resistance in the E-TBC isn't a dissipative element since it's an open circuit there's No lenz's law to be applied, the device act as an open parallel L/C that pass through serial connection before it continue it's oscillation providing twice the frequency of ordinary equivalent parallel L/C..

the point here is to convert these three elements to just two elements because we need DC in the output to be conserved and converted ..
Just one thing, I have just solved part of the problem of using the electricity of the capacitor to light a bulb. I was able to light a bulb with the same capacitor, just adding one change to the circuit.
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Just one thing, I have just solved part of the problem of using the electricity of the capacitor to light a bulb. I was able to light a bulb with the same capacitor, just adding one change to the circuit.

Hello AetherScientist, hello everyone.


i just finished some test with the Mixed E-TBC, i was able to light a bulb of 12V 24 W also to charge a 12V battery, useful work can be harvested now but i am far from OU claims at this moment...

i just changed the wire from L2 coil to the capacitor to be a thick wire.. thin wire is very bad, without the earth connection i can't light a bulb, even if i charge the capacitor to very high level... no light until there's an earth connection.

i am able now to charge a serial electrolyte capacitors, just to achieve a higher voltage, capacitors with fewer capacitance can be charged very fast compared big capacitor value.. we have to achieve the best charge in the less possible time, here you are a part from the schematic . ( i think there's a lots to say about this )



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Hello med.3012
The solution I found is almost the same as yours.
I was charging a capacitor using the single wire high voltage from a car's ignition coil. I was able to get some sparks when I shorted the cap, but not light in the bulb, only sparks.

I added a third wire to the cap (similar to your schematic) and now I get some stronger sparks and I can light a bulb even with 1uF capacitor, non polarized. Of course, the bulb is 10 watts.
The solution has been connecting the negative or positive of the ignition coil pulsed dc input directly to the capacitor. So I have a capacitor with an AV plug and a low voltage, pulsed dc negative.
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Just one thing, I have just solved part of the problem of using the electricity of the capacitor to light a bulb. I was able to light a bulb with the same capacitor, just adding one change to the circuit.

can you please describe the change you made? thanks in advance .
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The solution I found is almost the same as yours.
I was charging a capacitor using the single wire high voltage from a car's ignition coil. I was able to get some sparks when I shorted the cap, but not light in the bulb, only sparks.

I added a third wire to the cap (similar to your schematic) and now I get some stronger sparks and I can light a bulb even with 1uF capacitor, non polarized. Of course, the bulb is 10 watts.
The solution has been connecting the negative or positive of the ignition coil pulsed dc input directly to the capacitor. So I have a capacitor with an AV plug and a low voltage, pulsed dc negative.

interesting work :-) , i am thinking now about an old question a friend asked me ? he told me why you and Don Smith talk about the power in one second ?!

in the past i though it's a simple question but i think it's not, if i just look for the spark leave the capacitor to be strong in every one second it's a big mistake, simply because the capacitor look like a battery even if they doesn't work at the same principle, the capacitor also need some time to be charged, for example charging 1600 UF take a long time compared other values, finding the optimal value is important, the previous test was done with a bad earth connection, so i have to try it outside to see how far the earth connection is vital.

i am just happy because it's the first time i see the light from the E-TBC based technology, i was selfish when i said i invented the E-TBC... it's just an extension to what Nikola Tesla has reached.
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interesting work :-) , i am thinking now about an old question a friend asked me ? he told me why you and Don Smith talk about the power in one second ?!

in the past i though it's a simple question but i think it's not, if i just look for the spark leave the capacitor to be strong in every one second it's a big mistake, simply because the capacitor look like a battery even if they doesn't work at the same principle, the capacitor also need some time to be charged, for example charging 1600 UF take a long time compared other values, finding the optimal value is important, the previous test was done with a bad earth connection, so i have to try it outside to see how far the earth connection is vital.

i am just happy because it's the first time i see the light from the E-TBC based technology, i was selfish when i said i invented the E-TBC... it's just an extension to what Nikola Tesla has reached.
Yes, the cap gets charged when AV plug is used only, but no useful energy can be extracted from the cap to light the bulb. If I add the negative to the AV plug as you can see in the above picture then the cap can light the bulb. In both cases the capacitor has energy, but only in the second case the cap can release useful energy. The spark is bigger in the second case.

Why the power in one second? I understand the question but I don't understand why are you asking exactly that question. I think it's about some formulas between capacitance in the cap, the time it gets to fully light the bulb and the time it gets to start dissapearing the light from the bulb. You have to calculate it.

Let see this interesting video that is not related with the above explanation, but it's important:


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i just finished some test with the Mixed E-TBC, i was able to light a bulb of 12V 24 W also to charge a 12V battery, useful work can be harvested now but i am far from OU claims at this moment...

i just changed the wire from L2 coil to the capacitor to be a thick wire.. thin wire is very bad, without the earth connection i can't light a bulb, even if i charge the capacitor to very high level... no light until there's an earth connection.

i am able now to charge a serial electrolyte capacitors, just to achieve a higher voltage, capacitors with fewer capacitance can be charged very fast compared big capacitor value.. we have to achieve the best charge in the less possible time, here you are a part from the schematic . ( i think there's a lots to say about this )



Of course, there is a lot to say about that circuit. That is the same principle Smith is using in the amplifying part. The same principle as you're using. It's good to know that you can obtain energy from that configuration.

Can you describe better what are you doing there?
I am still reading your pdf document where you speak more about the E-TBC
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