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12-13-2015, 08:35 PM
 AetherScientist Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 475
I have obtained this picture from another website, but it explains the same thing as Don Smith. The higher the frequency, the less electrons travels in the wire. In HF electrons travels AROUND the wire. So no Ohm's law applies.
Ohm's law can apply on high frequency if the system is not in resonance.

High frequency + Resonance = Zero impedance = No ohmic losses.
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#32
12-13-2015, 08:38 PM
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12-13-2015, 08:42 PM
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#34
12-13-2015, 08:50 PM
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Dc and AC skin effect
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12-13-2015, 09:16 PM
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#36
12-13-2015, 09:23 PM
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 Originally Posted by AetherScientist It depends on a lot of different things, one thing is the thing you say. Smith explains that when using resonance in AC there is not impedance (resistance), so there is superconductivity at ambient temperature. When there is not impedance, Ohm's law doesn't apply. High frequency I think is more important than high voltage because while using HF the electricity travels around the wire, so there is not wire resistance, the second factor to avoid resistance is that impedance = 0 (no resistance). So in this case of superconductivity there is not a random bouncing of electrons (dissipation). Also, instead of linear scale (resistive case), it's applied a logarithmic scale (superconductivity).

Good points, now let me quote from http://www.free-energy-info.com/Smith.pdf :

it's clear there's a replication process by the inductive process... this mean we have to achieve an electromagnetic feedback inside this device, now volt and ampere are equal in a very special physical state, his device work on the same principle as the famous equation of energy :

the above equation is achieved if we could divide the atom for example ( the case of atomic bomb ), in Don device it's very safe and clean to divide the electricity into two portion, magnetism ( amperage ) and electricity ( voltage ) using electron spin mechanism, this is only possible if we could treat the electricity as a single entity, let's quote again from Donald Smith PDF :

when our system meet this condition it will resonate depending on electron spin rotation ... in other words the coil and capacitor will turn into energetic elements, as Don stated in the first quoted text Volt and ampere are equal this is your parallel L/C circuit but when the time come to harvest the power they have to meet each other again exactly in the resistance point ..the system must meet this point to continue its oscillation, max current is achieved, Ozone gas is produced in this stage, the voltage will be radiated as a special radiant energy, standing waves is formed since the device will change its energetic shape to form another parallel L/C circuit ..

superconductivity is formed as electrons attraction mechanism ,here it's the job of the induced rotating electric field, i am talking about the extended Tesla Bi-filar coil because it's the solution.. in my opinion we have to think about it ... it's a very beautiful device ..
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#37
12-13-2015, 09:42 PM
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just to explain the skin effect in practice look at the following photo ( it's from the internet ) the horizontally rods are for conduct the high voltage power in electric station.. it's empty inside just to form a large surface and force the electrons to flow outside.. this is necessarily in 50HZ !! imagine in radio frequency speed, it's clear we have to use a large surface ..

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#38
12-13-2015, 09:42 PM
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Don Smith, as you said, explains that volts and amperes are the same. The only difference between them is the direction of rotation. One of them rotate CW and the other CCW but they are spin's rotations.

An easy way to understand Smith's work and to know that there are free electrons in the ambient, is to check this device that he built:

The receivers can obtain energy from the ambient agitation that L2 caused. The receivers (L3, L4...) do not deplenish the source because they are obtaining the energy from the ambient.
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#39
12-13-2015, 09:50 PM
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med.3012

The other day I built a Smith's verion of one of his circuits using electrostatic induction (1 wire induction using plates as a emitter and receiver) and you can see that it's possible to charge capacitors with energy from the ambient.

I put in between the emitter and the receiver an insulator and the second plate (receiver) was receiving energy and it was the same strength as the emitter.
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#40
12-13-2015, 09:56 PM
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#41
12-13-2015, 10:03 PM
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Quote:
 Originally Posted by med.3012 just to explain the skin effect in practice look at the following photo ( it's from the internet ) the horizontally rods are for conduct the high voltage power in electric station.. it's empty inside just to form a large surface and force the electrons to flow outside.. this is necessarily in 50HZ !! imagine in radio frequency speed, it's clear we have to use a large surface ..
And why they use an empty conductor at 50 hertz? To avoid losses?
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#42
12-13-2015, 10:08 PM
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Don Smith used a signs.. he never used a direct words that can be explained directly, he never allowed to do this ... ( for contract obligation ), you know ..

in your drawing you are replicating the source power, if you use 10W as initial power you will have 10W in the receiving plate, this mean electrostatic induction have to be used..., if you add to this a resonating device combine the capacitor and the coil the two as the same device, keep in mind there's a feedback inside this device what you achieve finally is something amazing, you are able to replicate this source power 10 W for example with radio frequency speed say 1000 time more power !
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#43
12-13-2015, 10:17 PM
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Quote:
 Originally Posted by AetherScientist And why they use an empty conductor at 50 hertz? To avoid losses?

Yes they use empty rods in high voltage power station to force the electrons to flow in the surface, if it's filled inside they will meet significant losses, even in high voltage power transmission they use twisted cable for the same purpose

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#44
12-13-2015, 10:26 PM
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Quote:
 Originally Posted by med.3012 Yes they use empty rods in high voltage power station to force the electrons to flow in the surface, if it's filled inside they will meet significant losses, even in high voltage power transmission they use twisted cable for the same purpose
thanks for the explanation
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#45
12-13-2015, 10:29 PM
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Quote:
 Originally Posted by med.3012 Don Smith used a signs.. he never used a direct words that can be explained directly, he never allowed to do this ... ( for contract obligation ), you know .. in your drawing you are replicating the source power, if you use 10W as initial power you will have 10W in the receiving plate, this mean electrostatic induction have to be used..., if you add to this a resonating device combine the capacitor and the coil the two as the same device, keep in mind there's a feedback inside this device what you achieve finally is something amazing, you are able to replicate this source power 10 W for example with radio frequency speed say 1000 time more power !
I know...

Well, I am replicating a Smith's circuit that he shown several times in his videos. I use a car ignition coil and I pulse the input with a PWM circuit DC. Then the single wire comes from the ignition coil's HV HF output.

In my configuration it is like a 1:1 transformer. The question now is...
How can I achieve, for example, 1:2 transformer using the same technique?
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#46
12-13-2015, 10:49 PM
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You know that a step down/up inductive transformer can be done using more or less turns of wire.

But... what about capacitive step down/up transformer?

I mean using plates... how can I increase electrostatic energy?
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#47
12-13-2015, 11:15 PM
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 Originally Posted by AetherScientist You know that a step down/up inductive transformer can be done using more or less turns of wire. But... what about capacitive step down/up transformer? I mean using plates... how can I increase electrostatic energy?

Ok just a quick reply as it's late here.., you are invited to take a look at this doc here :

www.free-energy-info.com/Mohamed.pdf it's a few page PDF but very compressed in information

if you like you can take a look at my thread :

The Resonance Energy Device Explained

for your time i could reply your questions the best i can do, the idea in a few words is to combine both electricity side together and let them oscillate.., as Don stated you need to forget about the electricity we had learn at school.. this is new knowledge, we have to eliminate the displacement current inside our capacitor and use them as coil ... it's very simple any bifilar coil has a built in capacitor.. the extension is needed to make it oscillate lenz's law have to be avoided, so you have the key to unlimited power ... GOOD NIGHT
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#48
12-14-2015, 12:00 AM
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see you the next time. good night.
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#49
12-14-2015, 01:46 PM
 Bob Smith Silver Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 785
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 Originally Posted by AetherScientist A representation about the circuit I made some days ago
AetherScientist
I have had some success with this configuration using a different resonant circuit. My problem is getting the charge out of the capacitor to do useful work.

In a slightly different example, YT user Nelson Rocha puts a gas discharge tube across his cap, and is able to withdraw charge from it to make an incandescent bulb glow. I am assuming this might also be possible by using a zener diode in the same way

Any suggestions on how to get past this point - to draw useful charge out of the cap to do work?
Bob
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#50
12-14-2015, 01:56 PM
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There are multiple combination of different factor to experiment with.
Tesla,for example, used single line transmission line to run devices

There are even more different combination to experiment and observe with.

The idea is how to use resonance to absorb energy from the ambient. There would be one device to disturb ambient electrons and different devices to collec than energy.
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#51
12-14-2015, 02:04 PM
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Quote:
 Originally Posted by Bob Smith AetherScientist I have had some success with this configuration using a different resonant circuit. My problem is getting the charge out of the capacitor to do useful work. In a slightly different example, YT user Nelson Rocha puts a gas discharge tube across his cap, and is able to withdraw charge from it to make an incandescent bulb glow. I am assuming this might also be possible by using a zener diode in the same way https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9Ozeq61x1Y Any suggestions on how to get past this point - to draw useful charge out of the cap to do work? Bob
Hello Bob Smith,
I am using a car's ignition coil to obtain the single wire HV HF line. I feed the ignition coil using a PWM circuit that I bought in eBay.

It would be ok to try the cap and the bulb that Nelson is using. I have used a 1 KiloVolt 22uF cap to try to light a 25 Watt 250 Volts incandescent light bulb, but I only get sparks in the connections and no light.

If you want pictures I can make some, but the schematic I use is very simple.
A AC to DC transformer: output 12 VDC 1.25 Amps.
PWM circuit to feed the input of the car's ignition coil
A car's ignition coil
2 plates of the same characteristics (material and shape)
An AV plug,

I get big sparks from the capacitor.

I can try Nelson's configuration to use a light bulb. But I have to change the capacitor and the light bulb with the same that Nelson is using.
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#52
12-14-2015, 02:26 PM
 Bob Smith Silver Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 785
Quote:
 Originally Posted by AetherScientist Hello Bob Smith, I am using a car's ignition coil to obtain the single wire HV HF line. I feed the ignition coil using a PWM circuit that I bought in eBay. It would be ok to try the cap and the bulb that Nelson is using. I have used a 1 KiloVolt 22uF cap to try to light a 25 Watt 250 Volts incandescent light bulb, but I only get sparks in the connections and no light. If you want pictures I can make some, but the schematic I use is very simple. A AC to DC transformer: output 12 VDC 1.25 Amps. PWM circuit to feed the input of the car's ignition coil A car's ignition coil 2 plates of the same characteristics (material and shape) An AV plug, I get big sparks from the capacitor. I can try Nelson's configuration to use a light bulb. But I have to change the capacitor and the light bulb with the same that Nelson is using.
Thank you AetherSci
I am also able to get the sparks off my setup. My next step now is to try to get useable power from the capacitor. The power is there in great quantities when we begin to tap the dielectric/aether. For me, it is a question of making it available in an accessible form.
Thanks again for the quick reply.
Bob
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#53
12-14-2015, 02:32 PM
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Quote:
 Originally Posted by Bob Smith Thank you AetherSci I am also able to get the sparks off my setup. My next step now is to try to get useable power from the capacitor. The power is there in great quantities when we begin to tap the dielectric/aether. For me, it is a question of making it available in an accessible form. Thanks again for the quick reply. Bob
I understood that you was not able to get the sparks from the capacitors.
I was recording some videos for you, but I don't upload them because they will teach you nothing new.

So we are at the same point: to get usable power from those capacitors.
I am also able to get sparks when I short the caps, but I cannot run any device on that energy. I am asking in other forums to light a bulb from those capacitors, but Nelson has shown a possible way to light a bulb for a small period of time(1 second or less). So the next step is to use the same light bulb and cap as he is using and expect to get the same results.

So we have some homework to do.
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#54
12-14-2015, 02:34 PM
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Bob Smith,

You have also this video that shows a capacitor and how it can light a bulb for a second or less using a Kacher coil:
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#55
12-14-2015, 05:14 PM
 med.3012 Gold Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Algeria Posts: 1,018
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 Originally Posted by AetherScientist Bob Smith, You have also this video that shows a capacitor and how it can light a bulb for a second or less using a Kacher coil:

nice video, i had the same problem with my E-TBC when i was able to charge a capacitors bank to a high level but when connecting a light bulb i only see a spark in the connection of the bulb ! when short circuit the capacitor with a thin copper wire, the wire burn immediately... my explanation is : i only get voltage without real current.

Ok i just want to add something important about superconductivity, it's better to quote a small text focus about the discussed idea .. electrons attraction.

the full pdf is here :

http://www.cengage.com/resource_uplo...nductivity.pdf
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#56
12-14-2015, 06:55 PM
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 Originally Posted by AetherScientist The idea is how to use resonance to absorb energy from the ambient. There would be one device to disturb ambient electrons and different devices to collect than energy.
the resonance can't produce the power but it replicate the power with radio frequency speed, this mean if you start with 10W you could replicate this as 1000 for example or more ...

the following drawing explain this device named the E-TBC :

this device form a parallel L/C but as you know any parallel L/C will produce reactive electric power which can't do real work.., for this device to produce real active power we must close the connection CD ( green section ) so both voltage and amperage will meet each other.

upon oscillation the induced rotating electric field will just charge the capacitor once again, so you give the power to this special capacitor coil and after that it replicate that power according the resonance frequency, the problem with ordinary parallel L/C is still the produced reactive power, this problem is solved in the E-TBC when we close the junction CD and achieve the resonance in this condition .
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#57
12-14-2015, 07:24 PM
 Bob Smith Silver Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 785
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 Originally Posted by med.3012 ... the problem with ordinary parallel L/C is still the produced reactive power, this problem is solved in the E-TBC when we close the junction CD and achieve the resonance in this condition .
Would a spark gap be one way of closing this junction?
Bob
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#58
12-14-2015, 07:54 PM
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Quote:
 Originally Posted by med.3012
I am going to reply you with a short answer because I cannot write a long answer.

Search this in Google vector inversion generator
or
Spiral impulse generator
In the pictures, it seems very similar to yours.
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#59
12-14-2015, 07:58 PM
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 Originally Posted by Bob Smith Would a spark gap be one way of closing this junction? Bob

Hi Bob,

in reality we don't need the spark gap in the E-TBC , but we may need it as voltage limitation device outside L1 coil , the reason for this is we have to make the coil and capacitor to oscillate as the same device, when we make the spark gap in CD position we achieve the resonance BUT we loose the connection of electric current so you have only voltage in L2 coil ..

there's another device called the mixed E-TBC, the idea about it came to my mind when a member asked me about the possibility to use an external coil with the E-TBC, in reality it's not possible because the E-TBC oscillate with itself so i tried to make something new and i made a mixed E-TBC like the following drawing and tested it in a simple transistor circuit :

1- this is how the mixed E-TBC is formed :

2 - this is the voltage graph in each side :

The mixed E-TBC is another derivative from the E-TBC, the two device work on the same principle... you form the coil while the capacitor is formed also, the two side of the mixed E-TBC are similar to the single E-TBC so each plate in the E-TBC = a coil in the mixed one... either the black or the red, now the two side in the mixed E-TBC produce active power only when you see the two together .. this mean the E-TBC is able to produce active power when CD is closed !
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#60
12-14-2015, 08:09 PM
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 Originally Posted by AetherScientist I am going to reply you with a short answer because I cannot write a long answer. Search this in Google vector inversion generator or Spiral impulse generator In the pictures, it seems very similar to yours.
than you,
a friend refer me to this previously also but the idea isn't the same, in the E-TBC we are treating the device as a single entity so you have both capacitor and coil oscillating together to produce an amplified electromagnetic flux , while vector inversion generator is used as voltage amplification device :

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