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Old 09-13-2010, 12:08 PM
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Otis T. Carr

I thought I would start a thread about the discoveries of a generally overlooked and suppressed free energy researcher - Otis T. Carr .

Funnily enough it was Otis that sparked my interst in Radiant Energy, I found some stuff while googling him a couple of years back, very interesting stuff, I have listened to nearly all of his radio interveiws with Long John he mentions Tesla a couple of times and frequently says how the textbooks are wrong ,amongst other things.

He was of course on a quest to go to outer space, most people at the time thought him crazy, however after listening to him speak it was hard for me to doubt he knew what he was talking about.

Anyway he claimed that once his UTRON powered craft was spun up to the correct speed it collected energy from the environment and was able to store excess energy in the central accumulator.

Has anyone here seen these documents? see attachments

I have more but they are more about the constuction of the craft.

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P.S. I'm thinking he would have needed some type of pulse motor type cicuit to run his machine. He also talks of rcovering energy from the coils.
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Old 09-13-2010, 01:22 PM
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I remember these plans. Brilliant. Did he ever build it?
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Old 09-13-2010, 01:38 PM
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Hey. Probably not. Cost a million bucks to build this. The guy made a lot of sense. Once an object is in motion and close to equilibrium it takes very little energy to sustain its momentum.
And this energy of course can be harnessed (or gathered/accumulated ) by the surrounding environment.
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Oh, he built it and tested/demonstrated it with several people. Ralph Ring was one of those people that was involved with Otis.

Project Camelot | Ralph Ring and Otis Carr

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Old 09-13-2010, 06:33 PM
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And to add to Hairbear's post, in that interview with Ralph ring, Ralph says Carr was a protege of Tesla's. Right after that test drive, the gov't came and took the ship or dismantled it etc.

I recommend downloading that video from the camelot site, since they allow you to do that, and this is such remarkable information.
(Ring's experiments are interesting too!)

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Old 09-13-2010, 09:31 PM
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Good to see some interest in this. Here is a link to a transcript of one of his radio interviews-Otis Carr Inteview (1 of 2) - KeelyNet 06/03/02

I really think he was onto something world changing and almost did it. I would dearly like to find out more.

I have no wish to leave this planet but I think the power harnessing capabilities of his device would be handy for all.

Maybe some of the guys here that understand this kind of stuff could evaluate the sketches and give thier opinions on weather or not they can make any sense of the woking principal. Of the energy harnessing possibilities anyway.

The more I learn the more the sketches seem to make sense.

I can see similarities to a bedini machine, maybe there is a way to add capacitor plates to a bedini rotor to see if that part of his principal is correct.

When I built my mini three pole monopole I made it on a horozontal plane so that I could just lift the rotor out of the bearings and I made it so that the coil cores were just above center of the rotor magnets, I noticed when it is spinning very fast it gets to a point that the rotor lifts a little vertically and the weight is taken from the bearings at this point almost all vibration stops, I put this down to a mag-lev effect because as the rotor speed increases the magnets spend more time closer to the coil cores. Maybe i'm wrong maybe there is more to it.

I'm having trouble replicating it for a video because I need some new bearings,
with good bearings I can make it spin up to 12 000 rpm with 30 volts, the coils do get hot doing it so I cant do it for too long (the cores are held in with hot glue . It also make me feel a bit woozy when it is screaming above about 9 000 rpm but that may be from the acoustics.

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Old 09-14-2010, 01:19 AM
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"How to build a flying saucer" by T. B. Pawlicki

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This page contains a photo I haven't seen before of one of Carr's larger models under construction.

[Updated July 7, 2011] Otis T. Carr photos, files and 1958 radio interviews Blue Star Enterprise Ralph Ring's Website

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Fascinating!
The page with the capacitor stack and linear coil highlights the odd effect I have been researching in regards to a transformer made of capacitive plates and linear coils, it is not an inductive field that is at play.

I feel that more energy and time need be spent on the electrostatic nature and pickup where it was left off.
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Yes I agree madhatter, it would be fantastic to get Eric's expert analysis of the
Searle device and the Carr device.

The PDF linked in the post below about a Searle device is very interesting as well.

http://www.energeticforum.com/202976-post15.html

Here's a picture of the envelope that can surround a coil which i was reminded
of when reading the PDF in the linked post. When there is no other light there is
a lot more of it visible. The bottom one I think is smaller. The line on the
bottom left is the wire to the capacitive ring. I realize it's probably all wrong
but it's pretty.



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a piece of the puzzle?

Farmhand,

Wonderful to see a renewed interest in Carr's work. As I scoured the net for related data (a couple of years ago, at least), I came across two things, if I remember them correctly: 1) the Utron had a sphere inside of it, which contained some amount of mercury -- I've always wondered about this... would it act like a constantly changing capacitor (the coil windings acting as the other plate), thus inducing a voltage on the conical coil? (Hey, there's Tesla's conical coils!) and 2) if you look carefully at the available drawings, the middle of the saucer seems to be designed like a Wimshurst machine, something that would generate a very high voltage, presumably to generate a field above and below the craft.

I suspect there's much more to the Utron than meets the eye...

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Farmhand,

Wonderful to see a renewed interest in Carr's work. As I scoured the net for related data (a couple of years ago, at least), I came across two things, if I remember them correctly: 1) the Utron had a sphere inside of it, which contained some amount of mercury -- I've always wondered about this... would it act like a constantly changing capacitor (the coil windings acting as the other plate), thus inducing a voltage on the conical coil? (Hey, there's Tesla's conical coils!) and 2) if you look carefully at the available drawings, the middle of the saucer seems to be designed like a Wimshurst machine, something that would generate a very high voltage, presumably to generate a field above and below the craft.

I suspect there's much more to the Utron than meets the eye...

Chris
agreed, the model under construction on the site seems to be a visual representation more than a functioning unit. the 'square' utron coil would probably be a single wire coil and base that assumption on the results from the experiments I did with capacitor plates and coils.

It's also worth looking into Felcic's work, he developed a very efficient HV electrostatic generator may have also worked with Farnsworth though I'm not sure on that. Felici's patents are full of technical data and very useful information for HV electrostatic generation. his generators were so far advanced for the time that proper construction could not occur because the technology didn't exist to mfg the materials needed for them. I think that with the more modern materials and mfg methods available today a lot of 'old' discarded tech can be re-investigated and experimented with.
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Hi madhatter, Well I disagree with the model under construction being a visual
representation more than a working unit. I don't think he would have bothered
with the engineering to make it even counter rotate just for a model. In my
opinion that may well be the 6 foot model that I think would be the unit he sent to be
tested independently. It has the field magnets and a solid metal construction,
I think it's well on the way to being the working 6 foot unit. I'll listen to the
radio interviews again and take note of some of the time of the bits I find
interesting particularly the part about the thrust tests and so on.

I think all of Searls small models are working devices as well I don't know to say for sure.

Anyway madhatter I glad to hear you are working on a device which may shed
some more light on this subject. Or that there might be something
in the presented info useful to you in some way.

Hi Chris, Yeah the mercury, I am aware of that, my thoughts were that it
might be mainly for stability or the enhancement of gravity generation or both
or maybe not. As I said I am more interested in the energy harnessing
capabilities than the gravity aspect. But I think they are tied together for
eternity, if we want lots of free energy we will need to deal with machines
that change weight quite a bit in relation to the earth. The mercury may not
be necessary for a static/non flight machine.

Yes there is most definitely High Voltage at play, the russian SEG PDF shows
the role HV plays in the working of the Searle device, HV in the Carr device is
likely for the same purpose polorization.

I linked a post that has the PDF about the Russian SEG.

Here's another site which may be Searles own site, dunno.

John Searl Solution : Russian SEG

Figure 5. shows the curves. And the effects are reported.

Now for the money men this is definitely worth suppressing.
From the tightly controlled physics forum where laws are misrepresented.
Russians confirm the Searl Effect!

Notice the thread is locked, someone should explain to the moderator how the
universe doesn't follow mans laws and he only knows what he knows, but it
wouldn't do any good because he is a ignoramus. He looked for and found an
lame excuse in an off topic post or link to lock the thread. Active suppression.
Is that sentence really a violation of the second law of thermodynamics ?

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Might want to take a look at this guys channel, I think he is working with Ralph Ring, trying to recreate a small version.
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Hey. Probably not. Cost a million bucks to build this. The guy made a lot of sense. Once an object is in motion and close to equilibrium it takes very little energy to sustain its momentum.
And this energy of course can be harnessed (or gathered/accumulated ) by the surrounding environment.
Did you reply to yourself? Are you using multiple accounts & forget to switch or something?
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Old 07-23-2012, 06:49 AM
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Yes they have a well built setup for sure, I'm curious to know if the Utrons are
made from steel or aluminium I asked on the video comments. They should be
steel and wound with coils as well from what I can tell. They have a shaft going
through the central accumulator So they appear to plan on counter rotation.
Do they have a theory of how it will function as a unit/machine ? If so they
should share it. If the thing works and they don't have automated shut down
or have it bolted down they could lose it into space. Carr said he lost one
or two models because of circuit breaker failure.

I'm not sure that a shaft should traverse/go right through the central
accumulator. We should remember he made drawings to apply for a patent for
a "carnival device/ride" and it was just a mock up. I think reportedly after he
was shut down he tried to make some money that way, by manufacturing a
carnival ride/machine. Which added to the belief he never had a real machine.
He also sold plans for small model kits which were also mock ups.

The picture linked below shows the carnival device center shaft and bearings, that
looks like normal carnival ride engineering. It looks like a strong central
fabricated support for a carnival ride.

The actual device I think would have an enclosed "core" Accumulator I think
which would be supported top and bottom like the other smaller ones maybe.

Picture of what I believe is the central support of the carnival ride.
http://bluestarenterprise.com/wp-con...1/04/0usp5.gif

From what I can recall the carnival device was mounted on a central shaft/hydraulic ram
and the thing spins and goes up and down a bit, or did/was meant to.

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Did you reply to yourself? Are you using multiple accounts & forget to switch or something?
Dingus, Vickers obviously made a post, had a think and then made another post,
perfectly normal behavior in my opinion. And those posts were made almost
2 years ago. Please don't come to my threads asking if a person from two
years ago had dual accounts, there is absolutely nothing to suggest that in
my opinion.

Please apologize or please discontinue posting in this thread. Vickers posts are
normal behavior. Or are you suggesting I was Vickers ? If so you are wrong,
ask Aaron to confirm it if you don't believe me. I have one account here.
Period ! I am Farmhand ! And I have no reason to believe Vickers is anyone but Vickers.

Start your own thread and make some insinuations, allegations or whatever
you want but don't do it in threads I start. Unless you have some supporting
evidence. And if so you should probably report it to the moderators, I believe
it is against forum rules. The moderators can tell who is where, pretty much.

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Madhatter, I may have misunderstood you, It is not meant to fly no,
so it is a model yes, but a fully functioning one in my opinion.

I am sorry if I misunderstood.

I'll try go through the radio interviews tonight.

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The small outer Utrons may even require a spiral groove machined in them to
take the wire of the coils. It's difficult to tell if they are actually meant to be
wound with coils, I think it may be mentioned also in the radio interview. It's
been a long while since I listened to them.

I'm not convinced that a device just for tapping energy needs all the parts
it would for flight, I don't like flying anyway.

Dr Searles device would appear to be a permanent magnet version of the same
principal, but Seales device is not engineered for flight what so ever, looking at
the open devices I've seen.

Back after the radio show.

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Well, according to Ralph Ring the Utrons aren't grooved, the wire is just simply coiled around it. Then again he also once described it as having some kind of glowing crystal ball on it & said that the craft could turn invisible & teleport.
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Period ! I am Farmhand ! And I have no reason to believe Vickers is anyone but Vickers.
You're acting awfully defensive Farmhand, or should I say... Vickers!
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@Dingus,

I don't know you or Vickers, but I have exchanged posts back and forth with Farmhand on this forum and another one for the past couple of years. I have always found him to be very clear about who he is and what he thinks. As a third party who may not know all the history I still have to say your posts don't really make a lot of sense.

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Well, according to Ralph Ring the Utrons aren't grooved, the wire is just simply coiled around it. Then again he also once described it as having some kind of glowing crystal ball on it & said that the craft could turn invisible & teleport.
You're acting awfully defensive Farmhand, or should I say... Vickers!
Dingus, just recently, I have had all kinds of sick filth directed at me for no
valid reason in my opinion. Up until I last time checked all the disgusting filth
posted about me was still there for all to read. The moderators have not made
any attempt to remove it or caution publicly the people who see fit to peddle
abuse and filth on a public forum. So therefore I will need to moderate my
threads myself. I will not do nothing while miscreants post offensive
comments or comments suggestive of deceitful behavior or comments
inferring, insinuating or otherwise suggesting wrongdoing, when there is no
evidence for or reason to believe that. If you had been subjected to the same
treatment you would probably be defensive as well. One person apologized
after I asked if he would but he did nothing to remove the abusive and
disgusting comments he made. The inaction of the moderators is curious but
so be it, now I feel the need to show I am a not a whipping boy or a
scapegoat.

As I said it may be possible that Ralph Ring was a plant or has been bought,
maybe not, I'm not saying he was, just we need to think for ourselves and
have an idea of our own how the thing is made to work.

If you wish to discuss the subject matter or any related tech or information
you are most welcome, and I encourage that.

Now Last request apologize to Vickers and now as well to me or discontinue
posting in this thread. I will flag your posts as offensive and if the moderators
do nothing, I will consider my position here, and my promises not to post in
other threads will no longer be a standing promise so that I may request
repeatedly for the removal of the abusive posts towards me in the threads
they were made. This is not a threat or anything I just want the abuse and
filth removed and the abusers cautioned and in some cases I think banning is
appropriate.

I would much prefer to discuss the Technology, workings or
performance/efficiency of devices/arrangements than to deal with abuse,
evasions, insinuation ect.

As I said if you want to discuss the tech or present alternative opinions your
welcome. I can ignore posts that are not offensive which I don't agree with.

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As I said it may be possible that Ralph Ring was a plant or has been bought, maybe not, I'm not saying he was, just we need to think for ourselves and have an idea of our own how the thing is made to work.
I don't think Ralph has been bought, but it does seem that a lot of his claims are quite exaggerated compared to the claims made by Carr himself. Really entertaining stories to listen to, but still.

And you really need to learn to lighten up a bit.
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Dimensions of Mystery

Farmhand,
Have you read Otis T. Carr's little book, "Dimensions of Mystery"?
It's full of his poetry and verse. But apparently that all just a coverup for it's real purpose.
It say's in the pages that it contains a cipher, that if translated spells out plans for a "fourth dimensional gravity engine", capable of running dynamos and many other conventional devices of power.

Here is the SCRIBD link.
dimensions of mystery otis carr
You can get a copy many other places.

The paragraph where he talks about the cipher is on page 64....

I've studied and read it several times. It will not be easy to translate.
Another mystery dies with it's owner.
If you know someone who is an expert puzzle solver, I would love to collaborate.

I believe Otis T. Carr was the real deal.

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Does anyone have the plans to turn a u-tron coil as not sure how to put one together ?
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Hi Stephen, I did not even know that existed. Thank you very much, I'll have
to find something to upload and my password so I can download it. I'll get
back to you soon.

Ok Dingus, I'll lighten up, actually I haven't read or heard all that much of what
Ralph has claimed only one particular transcript of an interview I think and
some short video's. Ralph does make some far out claims but so does Otis,
and that Margret Storm lady I think the name is, there are some esoteric and mystical
aspects to it and she talks of a "set" Tesla built to talk to aliens. Maybe the
Utrons don't need to be grooved, that was just a comment because I was
thinking of how the coil could be held in place securely.

EDIT: ( I could be wrong about the central accumulator as well as other
things, I'm speculating at the moment. )

Anyway I listened to some of the interviews and took note of some key times
but I would like to check the notes and listen to the rest.

In this interview there is interesting information. Particularly from 16:00 mins or so onwards.
http://files.bluestarenterprise.com/...11-15-1958.mp3

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Farmhand,
Here is a link other than Scribd.
Project Camelot | Ralph Ring and Otis Carr
Go down to Archived Material.
At the top of the box is a download link to Dimensions of Mystery.
Happy reading.
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Thanks Stephen, Your right there is a cipher or code, very interesting. I'm no
expert but I think I understand his method. I think finding somewhere to start
will be the key, a key to a key if you know what I mean. I haven't found a start
yet. But I will be looking. I like poetry. It's a big read.

Thanks for this.
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This may help you with the Cipher.
http://files.meetup.com/1790397/Ralph%20Ring.pdf
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Aluminium Utrons

I'm not understanding why they are using aluminium for the Utrons.

Ralph Ring 'Pod' Update August 1, 2011 - YouTube

Pod Update FEB 23, 2012 - YouTube

If the field coils are pulsed then I don't see what they will attract or repulse if
the utrons are made from aluminium, I think they should be iron or steel. If
they are wound with coils they could work in some way, but my intuition tells
me with aluminium utrons ( basically rotor core's ) it won't work, I may be wrong.

And his quote for the machining of one Utron seems excessive $500.00 each.
If I had a lathe and milling machine I could make them for the cost of the
metal and electricity. Several in one day I think. $500.00 dollars for two
machined aluminium cones, I don't see how that is possible without being
ripped off. Although I haven't paid for machining so i'm not saying he's lying or
anything just that it seems way over priced. And at $500.00 a piece I would
be making certain I knew why I was having them made from aluminium and not
iron or silicon-steel. I wonder if they have a theory of how they think it will
motor.

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