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Old 08-26-2010, 07:46 AM
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The ultimate secret of free energy: Split the postive AND the negative

Welcome, my friend.

You are here because you chose to be here, by whatever reason. Good!

Apparantly, you are looking for some answers. So, here you gotta make a choice.

If you want to know the theoretic foundation to how this stuff works, go here:
Article:Free Electric Energy in Theory and Practice - PESWiki

If you want to get your hands dirty and get something working, then go straight to the jackpot, and find your way frome here:
Gray Tube Replication
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post109533
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post108949
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post109013
Gray Tube Replication

But don't expect a complete schematic or working prototype made by me, or anything like that. You see, I'm just not good at doing that. But I did my homework and you can follow my tracks here and check everything yourself. So, as a qualified Electrical Engineer, I have analysed this stuff and I am fully convinced I found the working principle. So, that would be the secret of Gray, Meyer and Puharich, which originally came from none less than Nikola Tesla. Quite a gift, but it is not my invention or anything. Because of my background I was simply able to finally put the pieces of the puzzle together, so we now know how this stuff is supposed to work, in principle. It's up to humanity to make use of that and you can do that any way you like. No strings attached, no new patents. However, the now expired patents and other information left to us by these three inventors give you all the information you need to fill in the gaps.

So, if you're into the hardware and want to make Tesla's dream come true, the links on top is where you wanna go.

However, if you want to know why Einstein's General Relativity should go to the trash can, what gravity is, or want to know what the Universe really is like, you're welcome to join in for a very interesting ride. If you are in for an adventure, just scroll down, and join in on this thread together with the others that are here. There already are some nice easter eggs to discover, and just like you, I have no idea where this will eventually go. We will just have to wait and see what happens.

So, the choice is yours. And of course, you can also leave right away, if you like.

What I posted here, is really what I think is the truth. However, that is my truth the way I see/saw it at the moment of posting and as you will see, my "truth" changes along my way whenever I find something new to account for. And that's also my motivation for doing this. I just want to know the truth, which is like an oniun. There's always something new to discover, which maybe just what makes life worthwhile. So, take nothing for granted. I cannot decide for you what your truth is like. That's completely up to you to decide, because we have all been given the freedom of choice. So, just go ahead and see what you like and what not.

And most of all: make sure you have some fun on whatever road you choose to go!

If you're curious: this would be my idea of having some fun:
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Have a nice day, and happy hunting for your truth!



-- Arend Lammertink -- September 1st, 2010.

Oh, one more thing. If you want to do something and have some time to spare, please do consider editing this page:
Article:Free Electric Energy in Theory and Practice - PESWiki


So, if you really want to follow my track, this is where/how things started to come in the right direction, but there were still quite some loose ends and mistakes:


--: August 26th, 2010 :--

Hi all,

Yesterday, I re-analysed Gray's system:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post108329

As you can see in the reduced schematic ( http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...ay_circuit.pdf ) he feeds HF, HV sharp spikes trough two capacitors to the coil to energize. Because of the shape of the spike (fast rising edge, slow falling edge), the capacitor basically functions as a diode, beside coupling the energy trough to the load circuits.

Then I realized that you need to have two identical coils in series if you ever want to be able to induce a useable force in the coils, because otherwise the pulses will cancel each other out.

So far, so good.

Continueing in this line of thinking, the Avramenko plug used by Dr. Stiffler came to mind. If we add this all up, we finally get the ultimate secret to free (electric) energy:

Split the positive AND the negative


Given Bearden's "don't kill the dipole" as explained in my article (under construction) Article:Free Electric Energy in Theory and Practice - PESWiki it is clear that in terms of energy, you can manipulate the electric field for free. So, if you at some point in a circuit are able to pick up the electric field, without drawing current, you can do that for free.

That means if you design your load such that it is completely balanced, you can do what Gray dit much more elegantly. As Stiffler shows in some of his experiments, the AV (Avramenko) plug is a perfect method of "splitting the positive and the negative" in Gray's terms. So, then you basically get to use both edges of the powering signal, albeit that you have do direct them to separate loads.

Putting all this together, it is a matter of feeding a high frequency pulse train trough an AV plug, trough (small) couple capacitors to the oppozing terminals of 4 identical impedances, which can be coils, capacitors, basically anything, including WFC elements. See the attached schematic.

What happens is that the positive edge gets fed trough the capacitors to the positive terminals of Z1 and Z2 in sync and the negative edge gets fed trough the capacitors to the negative terminals of Z3 and Z4 in sync. Hence splitting the positive AND the negative.

If Zx are all power coils with a self resonance frequency of say 5 kHz and the frequency of the pulses is, say 1 MHz, and the voltage of the pulse train is, say 1 V, that means you get 1 kV of real power at the positive terminals of Z1 and Z2 within 1 millisecond, without drawing any current from the "power" line, because it takes relatively a considerable amount of time before the pulses can travel trough the coil, so we get a sort of "step charging" effect inside the coils.

So, if you want to experiment with this: BE CAREFUL. This is an expansion of the basic principle Gray used and he did add his "safety spark gaps" for a reason. If you feed 10 MHz, 10 V pulses to 4 identical coils this way, you are looking at 100 kV worth of power within 1 miillesecond... In other words: this gives you an awesome amount of power!!!




Update: I think the principle can also be used at much lower frequencies if you connect the negative terminals of Z1 and Z2 and the positive terminals of Z3 and Z4 all to signal ground. After all, the net current going trough there is zero, as is the net current coming from the signal wire (which is why this works). Then you should be able to get results with relatively low frequencies, like several kHz for coils or even 10s of Hz for charging capacitors or batteries. What is important is that all impedances are the same. Use identical components for all of them.


Update 2: There's a couple of inconsistences in this post, but the basic principe is correct. Turns out that Z1 and Z2 cannot be capacitors. So, just read on, investigate the material, the links, etc. and you will not be disappointed.


Update 3: Turns out there were quite a few loose ends in what I posted here. So, if you want to go straight to the jackpot, go here:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post108949
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post109013
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Old 08-26-2010, 10:34 AM
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Split Pos and Neg

@Lamare;
I do not think you will get 'free energy' but certainly you grabbed onto a interesting concept.

Have a look at the so called "Tesla's London coil" which he used in 1892 for
demo in London and well described by L.C. Martin in 1884. George Trinkaus
also write about his in his book "Son of Tesla Coil" and refer to it there as Generation III.

Funny thing is:
I just did a search for something similar last Sunday - using it as bio-stimulus. In this setup the same coil is used with HV at HF and separated Pos / Neg
terminals; accelerate growth of bio material - aquatic, fish, bigger flowers (My orchids) and plants.
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@Lamare;
I do not think you will get 'free energy' but certainly you grabbed onto a interesting concept.
I'll bet you for one of these that this is the real thing:


Everything adds up. No current going in and out, so no killing of the dipole as Bearden says. It matches exactly what Gray has done, which appears noone has really understood. This just has to be it.

As I said, you can pick up a crate of Grolsch at my place if this does not work as I explain. Now I know this will be hard to grasp if you've been bombarded with "perpetuum mobile is impossible", but this is not a perpetuum mobile. It is simply a different kind of solar cell that uses not the light of the sun but the light emitted by charge carriers: the electric field, the wheelwork of nature as Tesla said in 1892 (!!):

"Experiments with Alternate Currents of High Potential and High Frequency"

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There is no doubt that with the enormous potentials obtainable by the Use of high frequencies and oil insulation luminous discharges might be passed through many miles of rarefied air, and that, by thus directing the energy of many hundreds or thousands of horse-power, motors or lamps might be operated at considerable distances from stationary sources. But such schemes are mentioned merely as possibilities. We shall have no need to transmit power at all. Ere many generations pass, our machinery will be driven by a power obtainable at any point of the universe. This idea is not novel. Men have been led to it long ago by instinct or reason; it has been expressed in many ways, and in many places, in the history of old and new. We find it in the delightful myth of Antheus [Antaeus], who derives power from the earth; we find it among the subtle speculations of one of your splendid mathematicians and in many hints and statements of thinkers of the present time. Throughout space there is energy. Is this energy static or kinetic! If static our hopes are in vain; if kinetic — and this we know it is, for certain — then it is a mere question of time when men will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheelwork of nature.
Well, this time has finally come.

Fasten your seatbelts, folks, cause we are in for a very intersting ride!
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Hi Lamare,
Very interesting, I wish you the best of luck with this & hope, and pray for your success. Please keep all of us posted on your tests and results.

@ AROMAZ, I was wondering, do you believe that this bio-stimulus is the same affect as I read about years ago in studying about Nat Stubblefield, and earth batteries? For I remember reading that plants near earth batteries, or was it radiant energy antennas , had remarkable growth rates. Is there a thread here on this, or might you Please start one, for I have much interest in this and do not wish to go off topic here because, my gut feeling is that lamare has something here.

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Hi all,

Yesterday, I re-analysed Gray's system:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post108329

As you can see in the reduced schematic ( http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...ay_circuit.pdf ) he feeds HF, HV sharp spikes trough two capacitors to the coil to energize. Because of the shape of the spike (fast rising edge, slow falling edge), the capacitor basically functions as a diode, beside coupling the energy trough to the load circuits.

Then I realized that you need to have two identical coils in series if you ever want to be able to induce a useable force in the coils, because otherwise the pulses will cancel each other out.

So far, so good.

Continueing in this line of thinking, the Avramenko plug used by Dr. Stiffler came to mind. If we add this all up, we finally get the ultimate secret to free (electric) energy:

Split the positive AND the negative


Given Bearden's "don't kill the dipole" as explained in my article (under construction) Article:Free Electric Energy in Theory and Practice - PESWiki it is clear that in terms of energy, you can manipulate the electric field for free. So, if you at some point in a circuit are able to pick up the electric field, without drawing current, you can do that for free.

That means if you design your load such that it is completely balanced, you can do what Gray dit much more elegantly. As Stiffler shows in some of his experiments, the AV (Avramenko) plug is a perfect method of "splitting the positive and the negative" in Gray's terms. So, then you basically get to use both edges of the powering signal, albeit that you have do direct them to separate loads.

Putting all this together, it is a matter of feeding a high frequency pulse train trough an AV plug, trough (small) couple capacitors to the oppozing terminals of 4 identical impedances, which can be coils, capacitors, basically anything, including WFC elements. See the attached schematic.

What happens is that the positive edge gets fed trough the capacitors to the positive terminals of Z1 and Z2 in sync and the negative edge gets fed trough the capacitors to the negative terminals of Z3 and Z4 in sync. Hence splitting the positive AND the negative.

If Zx are all power coils with a self resonance frequency of say 5 kHz and the frequency of the pulses is, say 1 MHz, and the voltage of the pulse train is, say 1 V, that means you get 1 kV of real power at the positive terminals of Z1 and Z2 within 1 millisecond, without drawing any current from the "power" line, because it takes relatively a considerable amount of time before the pulses can travel trough the coil, so we get a sort of "step charging" effect inside the coils.

So, if you want to experiment with this: BE CAREFUL. This is an expansion of the basic principle Gray used and he did add his "safety spark gaps" for a reason. If you feed 10 MHz, 10 V pulses to 4 identical coils this way, you are looking at 100 kV worth of power within 1 miillesecond... In other words: this gives you an awesome amount of power!!!




Update: I think the principle can also be used at much lower frequencies if you connect the negative terminals of Z1 and Z2 and the positive terminals of Z3 and Z4 all to signal ground. After all, the net current going trough there is zero, as is the net current coming from the signal wire (which is why this works). Then you should be able to get results with relatively low frequencies, like several kHz for coils or even 10s of Hz for charging capacitors or batteries. What is important is that all impedances are the same. Use identical components for all of them.
@lamare

For the sake of those that would attempt to try the circuit you posted and not as versed in electronics (arts) as you are, may I add a few caveats?

Your diodes still need to be fast, even if you attempt this in the kHz range.

The coupling caps if you work with over a few volts need to be HV caps in the kV range.

You also need to not only have hiQ coils, but must consider the mutual inductance between each and the matching pair.

Also one must not work close to your expensive test gear unless you are ready to purchase new.

I will watch this a bit and maybe post a link to a circuit that will offer layout etc., for working in this direction.
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@lamare

For the sake of those that would attempt to try the circuit you posted and not as versed in electronics (arts) as you are, may I add a few caveats?

Your diodes still need to be fast, even if you attempt this in the kHz range.

The coupling caps if you work with over a few volts need to be HV caps in the kV range.

You also need to not only have hiQ coils, but must consider the mutual inductance between each and the matching pair.

Also one must not work close to your expensive test gear unless you are ready to purchase new.

I will watch this a bit and maybe post a link to a circuit that will offer layout etc., for working in this direction.
@Doc: Great to see you here!

I'm afraid I have to disagree, though. The working principle has nothing to do with the operating frequency. It comes down to the fact that you operate your load trough one wire, such that no net current flows trough that one wire.

The fact that you have to connect the 'inactive' terminals of your load all to frameground in order to drive a decent current trough the load at low frequency does not change one thing in the principle.
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@Doc: Great to see you here!

I'm afraid I have to disagree, though. The working principle has nothing to do with the operating frequency. It comes down to the fact that you operate your load trough one wire, such that no net current flows trough that one wire.

The fact that you have to connect the 'inactive' terminals of your load all to frameground in order to drive a decent current trough the load at low frequency does not change one thing in the principle.
@lamare

What is the saying that there is a number of ways to cut fish or something like that...

Well here is a test jig similar to what you speak, maybe not... anyway it shows a number of important points in our approach when working with it.

http://67.76.235.52/images/lamare01.jpg
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What is the saying that there is a number of ways to cut fish or something like that...

Well here is a test jig similar to what you speak, maybe not... anyway it shows a number of important points in our approach when working with it.

http://67.76.235.52/images/lamare01.jpg
From the picture is a bit hard to judge how the coils are exactly wound. From what I see, it looks like regular coils wound on a flat piece of perspex.

If you want to do it like that, I'd say you'd have to use bifilar wound coils and drive both windings from the same side so the fields add up, or at least place the couples side by side instead of oppozing one another. The way you have them wound now, the fields will influence one another in a way that you cannot really control. Further, I'd make sure that you drive the other pair from the other side, such that all fields point in the same direction.

Then, if you want to drive something, I suggest you make a third winding, so you get a transformer. You can use these secondaries in principle in series or in parallel, but you're using HF, so that may become a bit of a problem. But you're the HF expert here, so that would be your problem

So, perhaps it's much easier to drive two loads. As long as you make sure the load at both coils match, it should work.

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From the picture is a bit hard to judge how the coils are exactly wound. From what I see, it looks like regular coils wound on a flat piece of perspex.

If you want to do it like that, I'd say you'd have to use bifilar wound coils and drive both windings from the same side so the fields add up, or at least place the couples side by side instead of oppozing one another. The way you have them wound now, the fields will influence one another in a way that you cannot really control. Further, I'd make sure that you drive the other pair from the other side, such that all fields point in the same direction.

Then, if you want to drive something, I suggest you make a third winding, so you get a transformer. You can use these secondaries in principle in series or in parallel, but you're using HF, so that may become a bit of a problem. But you're the HF expert here, so that would be your problem

So, perhaps it's much easier to drive two loads. As long as you make sure the load at both coils match, it should work.
@lamare

You are correct on the image I was showing on the coils and the interactions, this goes with the points I presented, yet it shows when one works with such a configuration what factors affect overall functionality.

It does indeed appear we are going in different directions and I will stand aside until you have had a chance to further your work and supply some findings.

If you want to see something closer to what you speak take a look at this,
http://67.76.235.52/images/lamare02.jpg

Great idea, waiting for your results.
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We'll see. I've got kids to take care of first.

One thing I wanted to say: I'm really impressed by what you did so far. It comes damn close to what Gray did, which originates from Tesla, if I'm not mistaken. So, Gray was helped and I just studied what he did.

But you got there all by youself.
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I have done some experiments. I first made a full circuit with 1000 uF capacitors as Z1-4 and 220nF capacitors as the couple caps and fed that with the output of a 555. The first thing that came up was that of course the negative half wouldn't do a thing, because that was already at frame ground.

Then I continued with just the upper half. What happened was that the couple caps would charge and that was the end of it.

Looks like it won't fly with capacitors as load and that you do need HF, that is: fast switching times.

So, @Doc: I stand corrected on this one..

As for the coils: Gray did this with coils inside motors....




Wonder what would happen if I take capacitors as load and coupling coils instead of coupling caps. Nice problem to dream about tonight
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I am losing sleep over this...

I think Z1-Z4 will have to be coils after all, and they will have to be driven at their natural resonance frequency. So the HF must be modulated such that it drives the coils in a 50-50 duty cycle, since if we use diodes to "split the positive" we can not reverse the pulse polarity during operation.

When I'm thinking HF, I'm thinking: SEC.

So, @Doc:
Can the SEC be easily modified, so it can be switched on and off with a frequency somewhere between 1-10 kHz?

Can it start fast enough to be of any use?

Can you give me some suggestions about what type of diodes would be best?
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I guess this topic has not been repeated enough on here, and across the net, for people to focus in on it as they should. Which keeps me wondering when people will start to focus on it like the gold mine it is.

What you want to look into are Tesla's "high frequency current" patents. He defines current differently in that series of patents. You will also want to look up his lectures on high freq. phenomena. If you go to youtube and search for "tesla hairpin" you will see the most basic means for separating transverse waves from longitudinal waves (separating the current from the voltage/field), or as I believe Gray called it, splitting the positive. IT would be great to see more focus on these patents as they are the most important ones which Tesla put out regarding "radiant energy"

Tesla patents to examine specific to this phenomenon:

454,622- System of electric lighting; established lowest parameter limits (15Khz @ 20KV)
462,418- Letters patent; core factors for high freq., efficient currents
512,340-Coil for electro magnets; low self induction!
464,667-Electrical condensor; oil based & adjustable
567,818-Electrical condensor; greatly suited to great rates of vibration**
613,735-Electric circuit-controller; Last patent on functional topic, most efficient design & frequency (dV/dT vastly increased)

I wish I was further along with my own research on this but I'm cripple and have to work around it. The one benefit to being cripple is that my activities are restricted; so, where most others haven't sat down and poured through
Tesla's patents again and again, examining them in fine detail, I have been able to do that.

I recommend, as I always do when I post these patents, that every one researching "radiant energy" and the aether, examine these patents, and probably in the order presented above. Once you comprehend what he was doing in the over all project you can then see how he optimized elements of that circuitry for the most efficacious operation.

I keep thinking any day now some one will have a nice easy to replicate version of his 462,418 and 454,622. I've replicated the phenomenon myself (what a rush!) but I'm still optimizing the individual components. I believe the best results are to be had by adhering to Tesla's methods. Solid state devices lack the UMPF! that is to be found with spark gap devices (which is what I'm working on now). I burned out a number of FETs, as the 24V source line I used was pushed up to 300V per output FET. FET dV/dT will heavily influence the size of the output. The faster it switches the higher the spikes from the inductive coil feeding it. Spark gaps can handle a lot more than FETs or any other solid state device from my knowledge. It may be wise to start with solid state then shift over if it's deemed necessary. The solid state circuit breaker makes it a lot easier to study the influence of parameter changes.

Onward!
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I am losing sleep over this...

I think Z1-Z4 will have to be coils after all, and they will have to be driven at their natural resonance frequency. So the HF must be modulated such that it drives the coils in a 50-50 duty cycle, since if we use diodes to "split the positive" we can not reverse the pulse polarity during operation.

When I'm thinking HF, I'm thinking: SEC.

So, @Doc:
Can the SEC be easily modified, so it can be switched on and off with a frequency somewhere between 1-10 kHz?

Can it start fast enough to be of any use?

Can you give me some suggestions about what type of diodes would be best?
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Let me correct something at this point as I have been trying to do it for some time and it is not taking well. SEC is a process and not a device, Spatial Energy Coherence and the primary device I developed is an Exciter which invokes SEC. Seems like everyone is making SEC devices, and of course such a thing does not exist, yet they claim so. Now with that out of the way...

Why might you want to work in such a low area of the spectrum when the Lattice has a relaxation time in the Tera Hertz range? When working at the higher end of the spectrum the component bulk and foot print is of course much smaller and the conversion down to usable energy is not a concern as the Coherence can be obtained without this in mind.

Now again why might you feel that the good old AV Plug will not work here? One of the first things I look at in a potential circuit must include how I will extract the energy in a load. This is all part of the overall system. Many, many people fail when they look only at the generator and then fail big time when they can not interface into a load. So you need to look at your idea with the load method included, this will clear up some of the details of the generator.

Well yes we drive circuits with Exciters, in the 300-500MHz range, even DEB is driven by tandem Exciters and can reach very high numbers with a few watts input.

Looking at the Lattice takes a different mind set, the old reaction equals an equal and opposite reaction, minus heat does not apply here. You must consider the Lattice to be a Parametric Medium and you can pump it to high levels just by nudging it in the correct way.

I see that this can turn into A Tesla thing, which all know what I think.....

Anyway, its not far from what you are looking at. My problem is that DEB is a real problem child as the emission is, well something not to talk about when all the world watches, hell it may cause me to be hauled off to some secret FEMA Camp.

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A picture of a working DEB http://67.76.235.52/images/deb00.jpg
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. . . or was it radiant energy antennas , had remarkable growth rates. Is there a thread here on this, or might you Please start one . .
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Personally I do not know of such thread yet. At present I keep focused on my gravity and light work. The energy / plants were experiments I did 2 years ago and most was posted here in EF. My GF here has an orchid nursery and just for some mental 'time off' I puddle around there with energy fields. LONG slow experiments. It is not the same as Stubblefields.

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I doubt electronic components (unless later and specific developed) will be of any use. I had lots of difficulties with electronic component when I go to higher voltage and frequencies. They all work with smoke and somehow I always let the smoke come out. They are just not made or ready for this kind of experiments. This prompted me to go back and do many of these experiments the old way; rotary frequencies for lower range up to 4 Khz, above that I am still experimenting with spark tube through various gas mediums. A whole development on its own.

@Lamare; within light I do think we have a major secret that needs to be uncovered. Problem is that people has the mental blockage that Photons = Light; which is definitely wrong. Get free from that and one come to realize that we in this modern 2010 year does not know a single thing about light.

Next item to investigate a bit further is not the individual capacitor and coil - but a single unit that is both coil and capacitor. There a slight modification on the Tesla Pancake is the point of origin.

There are indicators of phenomena that we do not have instruments to scan or measure. The dipole does have an energy, which we verified with biological material. The same as is presented with Tesla’s London coil. Which is NOT potential. We should figure out how to use the energy to do work WITHOUT having the current flowing. There is no instrument that is able to read this energy; unless you physically connect the two probes to cause a current – in which case you destroy the dipole. Our instruments can only read the rate of destruction of a dipole pair.

Kind of like having a huge reservoir (Dam/Lake); now to make that reservoir work without letting the water out? After all, is food not our biggest demand? If we think of generating hydro-power; then we are doomed. If we change our thoughts to say producing food – then we know that is possible to use such unlimited and free.

Can we produce light without destroying the dipole?
Is that going to be beneficial to humans?
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If you go to youtube and search for "tesla hairpin" you will see the most basic means for separating transverse waves from longitudinal waves (separating the current from the voltage/field), or as I believe Gray called it, splitting the positive. IT would be great to see more focus on these patents as they are the most important ones which Tesla put out regarding "radiant energy"

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Onward!
That is what we call a "Resonant Transmission Line
Standing Wave."

The so called "hairpin" is a length of parallel conductor
transmission line which is shorted at the end opposite
the input end.

At resonant frequencies stationary nodes will position
themselves at appropriate fractional wavelength
distances along the length of the line.

The Maximum Voltage node corresponds to the High
Impedance point (minimum current flow.)

The Minimum Voltage node corresponds to the Low
Impedance point (maximum current flow.)

It is able to function as an Impedance Transformer
and is actually used as an Impedance Matching device.
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@Doc: I shouldn't worry too much about how the energy is being cohered. Energy is being cohered all the time. We just never noticed it does so every time we "discharge" a capacitor. See my article:
Article:Free Electric Energy in Theory and Practice - PESWiki

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There is an essential difference between the Newtonian analogy we use in electrical engineering (closed circuits) and the actual reality. The analogy of a capacitor in hydraulics (Newtonian analogy) is a piston moving back and forth in a closed cylinder wherein gas is pressurized. There is an essential difference, however. Imagine moving the piston inwards, pressurizing the gas, and put the thing on your workbench. The piston will immediately move back, because of the gas pressure. Now charge a capacitor and put it on your workbench. See the difference? The capacitor will just sit there, keeping it's charge. In other words: our hydraulic analogy is unstable, it 'wants' to release it's energy, while our actual electrical component is stable when 'pressurized'. It will only 'release' it's energy when something external is being done. It has to be disturbed, because the charges in a capacitor actually attract one another, which makes them like to stay where they are. So, when 'discharging' a capacitor, as a matter of fact, these attraction forces have to be overcome. And that does not release energy at all, it costs energy to do that. So, it actually takes the same amount of energy to charge a capacitor as the amount of energy it takes to discharge the capacitor.

[...]

Any charge continously emits an energy field, an electric field, spreading with the speed of light, which is the real energy source that makes our circuits run. This energy-field, generated by the charges in our wires, is not created out of thin-air. Since there is a continuous flow of energy out of every charge, there also is a continuous flow of energy going into every charge. And that is where the energy eventually comes from, right from the vacuum itself. For our purposes, it doesn't really matter how the energy that ends up in the electric field is being taken out of the vacuum. It may be ZPE, it may be a "virtual partical flux", it may be anything. It doesn't matter, because we don't need to know.

All we need to know is that somehow, some form of energy flows into each and every charge in the universe and this energy flow is continuously converted into an outflowing electric energy field by each and every charge in the universe, 27/7, 365 days a year, for free.
@All,

Take a look at what I posted here:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post108525

See the similarities and the parallels?

Meyer basically tried to use fast switching pulses, high bandwidth, eventhough he got his balancing wrong. This is in a way similar to what you do with the SEC circuit, if I understand this right. However, coils are basically current driven, so if you want to drive a coil using voltage pulses trough coupling caps, Doc is right: you need fast switching and a very high bandwidth.

Now take a look at how Puharich does it.
You basically have an AM modulated signal, where he does the half wave rectification at the front.

However, if you would use two AV plugs at the back, and drive two sets of identical coils this way, you should be able to basically construct a sort of dual AM receiver, without the need for fast switching. I think that would be much more elegant...

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Why might you want to work in such a low area of the spectrum when the Lattice has a relaxation time in the Tera Hertz range? When working at the higher end of the spectrum the component bulk and foot print is of course much smaller and the conversion down to usable energy is not a concern as the Coherence can be obtained without this in mind.
@Doc: Take a look at this:

MIT Dissectible Capacitor








If every ball in the upper picture is a piece of matter, a localized electromagnetic wave, and these are inside some kind of lattice as depicted in the lower picture, then you can always find a higher "octave" where you get the same picture again. In other words: the lattice must be recursive, it's a fractal...

So, if we have an ether, which has matter-like charactistics (fluid,gas) and we *know* that the matter we know are localized EM waves, then it is not hard to postulate that the "elemental" particles of which the ether consists would be very similar and would also be localized EM waves.

Basically, just a matter of raising the frequency, right?





Makes you wonder: World Top Secret: Our Earth Is Hollow!: Welcome

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It suddenly seems tempting to rephrase Tesla:

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Throughout space there is The Lattice. Is this Lattice static or kinetic! If static our hopes are in vain; if kinetic — and this we know it is, for certain — then it is a mere question of time when men will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheelwork of nature.
It seems logical to think of the Lattice as being fluid like, since that is what we know the ether is like. If they're really the same thing, then the lattice would be dynamic. At some places, it would be more like a gas, at some places, it would be more like a liquid.... And if that would really be the case, then you would really have a hard time maintaining that the speed of light is fixed across the universe, as Thornhill has said all along, cause the speed of waves traveling trough a medium depends mostly on the density of the medium at hand, as well as on the rigidness and dynamics of the structure (chrystals, Lattices, covalent bonds, etc.) the particles that make up the medium are in, which is a.o. dependent on the temperature. And that is basically synonymous with the amount of energy being available, cause heat is nothing other than infrared light.

Continueing in this line of thinking: if the ether really is fluid like and the "elemental" particles like quarks that make up matter are really just about the same as the matter we know, just oscillating at a higher frequency, then suddenly you will also have a very hard time maintaining that traveling at speeds higher then the speed of light is impossible. Cause since if the ether is fluid/gas like and we know we can travel trough these at speeds much greater than the speeds at which waves travel trough these media, then you are really looking at exactly the same kind of thing, just at a different scale.

And then, suddenly, you also have a hard time maintaining the hypothesis posted here is an impossibility: 'Extraterrestrial hypothesis' is now public operative explanation for UFOs ...

Update 2:
Eric Dollard really deserves to be quoted here also:
http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/magneto-dielectric.pdf

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Whatever the general media is around us, call it the ether, or air or you can transmit it through the ground. Basically it just flows.
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In a newspaper article I was looking through the other day I saw that the physicists now have an even bigger magnet so they can smash atoms ever harder and find more little tiny fragments to catalog and confuse themselves. What could be quirkier than a quark? (laughter)
Gotta love the man:

Update 3:
And then take a look at what you can do with standing soundwaves in a fluid, called "Cymatics".
Cymatics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Just google for that and look at the images Google shows you, f.e.:

Cymatics | | MECHA fushigi | mechanism of MAKA fushigi :




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Negative Mass?

@lamare

Dr. Koontz has tried to convince me that my SEC Theory may be wrong and that he feels it can be explained by his work which contains negative mass electrons, protons, and photons.

Web Site of Dr. Robert W. Koontz* www.DoctorKoontz.com

I think in my last communication with him I upset him by my view of how I might interface his view with mine. In order to resolve in my feeble mind what he is speaking about I stated that the particles would therefore be traveling in the opposite direction of mass particles (think this is where he stopped talking).

Anyway if we work with negative mass, why not negative time?, its only a measuring stick, right? Anyway if you use the negative mass approach it can be worked into SEC by considering -t, thereby the whole (sum) of the change in the Lattice equal 0, humm...

Anyway I have included another picture of your receiver idea where the load does not load.

http://67.76.235.52/images/wake00.jpg
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What is a DEB? I have not seen you reference it at all until now. I can understand the D means dual, maybe the E means Exciter, and the B might mean broadcasting?

Were those 18-1 boards, or could an 18-1 board be used for that?

Looking at the picture, I see 2 different sized L3 coils that each has an output that forms another bifilar coil with capacitive coupling. The difference between oscillations should be great and make quite a mess for radios, as well as each exciter affecting each other in a very dynamic way. Could you incorporate a S-gate into that design somehow? Or were you just trying to push your wireless field as far as it would go, and then design a resonant load?

In my opinion, the AV plug is a crude way to harvest the cohesion, because when one frequency is low another might be high, and all the AV plug does is gather the average difference at that moment. That is why the other exciters seem to work the same as their frequencies are limited to just a few and therefore seem stronger... I may be wrong though...

If being a senior member on an alt. E board with wideband jamming experimental circuits for sale isnt enough to send you to fema, then nothing is. An improved instrument is just that. I hope that these events do not come to pass, however.

Anyway, Didn't want to rain on your parade, but just wanted to let you know you cant be a "half-virgin" or "Kind-of" pregnant... If you get my drift. Just go full strength wherever you decide to go. I'm glad your awake and trying to make a difference.
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What is a DEB? I have not seen you reference it at all until now. I can understand the D means dual, maybe the E means Exciter, and the B might mean broadcasting?

Were those 18-1 boards, or could an 18-1 board be used for that?

Looking at the picture, I see 2 different sized L3 coils that each has an output that forms another bifilar coil with capacitive coupling. The difference between oscillations should be great and make quite a mess for radios, as well as each exciter affecting each other in a very dynamic way. Could you incorporate a S-gate into that design somehow? Or were you just trying to push your wireless field as far as it would go, and then design a resonant load?

In my opinion, the AV plug is a crude way to harvest the cohesion, because when one frequency is low another might be high, and all the AV plug does is gather the average difference at that moment. That is why the other exciters seem to work the same as their frequencies are limited to just a few and therefore seem stronger... I may be wrong though...

If being a senior member on an alt. E board with wideband jamming experimental circuits for sale isnt enough to send you to fema, then nothing is. An improved instrument is just that. I hope that these events do not come to pass, however.

Anyway, Didn't want to rain on your parade, but just wanted to let you know you cant be a "half-virgin" or "Kind-of" pregnant... If you get my drift. Just go full strength wherever you decide to go. I'm glad your awake and trying to make a difference.
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Wish we had a bit of rain here, welcome, welcome it would be, 107'F yesterday.....

Go to the web site and in the site content link go to the SEC Lexicon, that's about all I can say about it.

Oh and do it soon, www.drstiffler.com is now gone and Stiffler Scientific will be gone early Sept., with the UN running the assignments now I'm out of here.
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What is a DEB? I have not seen you reference it at all until now. I can understand the D means dual, maybe the E means Exciter, and the B might mean broadcasting?

Were those 18-1 boards, or could an 18-1 board be used for that?

Looking at the picture, I see 2 different sized L3 coils that each has an output that forms another bifilar coil with capacitive coupling. The difference between oscillations should be great and make quite a mess for radios, as well as each exciter affecting each other in a very dynamic way. Could you incorporate a S-gate into that design somehow? Or were you just trying to push your wireless field as far as it would go, and then design a resonant load?

In my opinion, the AV plug is a crude way to harvest the cohesion, because when one frequency is low another might be high, and all the AV plug does is gather the average difference at that moment. That is why the other exciters seem to work the same as their frequencies are limited to just a few and therefore seem stronger... I may be wrong though...

If being a senior member on an alt. E board with wideband jamming experimental circuits for sale isnt enough to send you to fema, then nothing is. An improved instrument is just that. I hope that these events do not come to pass, however.

Anyway, Didn't want to rain on your parade, but just wanted to let you know you cant be a "half-virgin" or "Kind-of" pregnant... If you get my drift. Just go full strength wherever you decide to go. I'm glad your awake and trying to make a difference.
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A few more answers to your questions.

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In my opinion, the AV plug is a crude way to harvest the cohesion, because when one frequency is low another might be high, and all the AV plug does is gather the average difference at that moment. That is why the other exciters seem to work the same as their frequencies are limited to just a few and therefore seem stronger... I may be wrong though...
Well is this right? You are with an AV Plug Rectifying AC, correct? and so long as the diodes have a low capacity and a high frequency response, do you not turn all the AC into DC? Isn't the AV Plus a wide-band converter to DC?

Edit: Conrad just got all over me. Which domain are we speaking? You view a WB signal on a scope and it shows a silly wave with distortion, yet vie in the frequency domain and you see the real content. Isn't that scope view of the wave containing the sum of the energy??

If you were to have access to the formula that describes SEC you would see that the total energy when added across the radiation spectrum (of the exciter) is larger than the input to the exciter. Granted a flat or wide-band load is required to realize this, yet the simple little AV Plus will do it fine.

A properly operating SEC Exciter will have energy spikes out to at least 500MHz, this can be confirmed by anyone with and SA.

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? And no this is not a member of the 'Blue Man Group'.
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Some more on Cymatics.

First a bit about what Cynematics is:
The Structure and Dynamics of Waves and Vibrations by Hans Jenny

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Basically, you have some particles floating in a fluid and vibrate that with sound.

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An interesting phenomenon appeared when he took a vibrating plate covered with liquid and tilted it.The liquid did not yield to gravitational influence and run off the vibrating plate but stayed on and went on constructing new shapes as though nothing had happened. If, however, the oscillation was then turned off, the liquid began to run, but if he was really fast and got the vibrations going again, he could get the liquid back in place on the plate. According to Jenny, this was an example of an antigravitational effect created by vibrations.

Now take a look at this picture:

See this ball-like structure in the centre?

Two questions to think about:
1. What force makes the matter stick in that centre?
2. What would happen if you would rotate this whole thing?


And then look at this:
Cymatic Ferrofluid « all manner of distractions


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Its like a three dimensional execution of the iron filings test but much more mesmerizing.
Why does magnetism do the same things?

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First a bit about what Cynematics is:
The Structure and Dynamics of Waves and Vibrations by Hans Jenny



Basically, you have some particles floating in a fluid and vibrate that with sound.




Now take a look at this picture:


See this ball-like structure in the centre?

Two questions to think about:
1. What force makes the matter stick in that centre?
2. What would happen if you would rotate this whole thing?


And then look at this:
Cymatic Ferrofluid « all manner of distractions




Why does magnetism do the same things?
@lamare + all

Enjoyed the link, reminds me of my reading of "Zero", The Biography of a Dangerous Idea by Charles Seife, ISBN: 0-670-88457-X.

Without zero (0) I would be lost in the cold, would not we all?
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I think you must have figured out by now that it isn't gravity that keeps the particles in place in the cynematics exercise. That is very interesting, because if "gravity" exists in resonating fluids and there is a real fluidlike ether with such small particles that we cannot meausure them, then gravity would be exactly the same as in this analogy. Since these are standing waves, you would have standing areas with high pressure, and standing areas with low pressure of the fluid surrounding the sphere. Then the big particles would naturally flow towards the areas with the lowest ether pressure.

If that would be the case, gravity would be nothing but an electric phenomenon, and you could theoritically overcome it very easily. You see, if there would be a gradient in the ether pressure around the earth, and ether pressure is the exact same phenomenon as the phenomenon we call the electric field, then you could create "anti gravity" simply by taking two capacitor plates and charge them in the opposit direction as the pressure gradient, right?

Of course, we could not figure that one out by ourselves using "classic" EM theory, because if there is no ether, then gravity must be something else. How convenient:

Unexplained Mysteries - Biefield-Brown Anti-Gravity Effect

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While researching the effects of X-rays generated from a Coolidge tube, American physicist, T. Townsend Brown found a relationship between gravity and high voltage. Press reports state that a 2 foot diameter disc was made to fly around a central pole when tethered and excited with a potential of 50 KiloVolts. The disc circled the pole at almost 12 MPH. Later improvements using 3 foot discs driven by potentials of 150 KiloVolts and up yielded results so spectacular that the test results were classified. Working in conjunction with Dr. P.A. Biefield, Brown found that highly charged capacitors when properly suspended showed a tendency to move relative to the gravitational force. When the poles of a freely suspended charged capacitor were placed on a horizontal axis a forward thrust would be produced which would move the capacitor in the direction of the positive pole.
Oops, the capacitors would have to be asymmetrical:

IceStuff.com: The electrostatic Lifter v3.0 experiment from The Encyclopedia of free energy,energy21.org,energy 21 org Geoff Egel

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The Lifter v3.0 uses nine asymmetrical T.T. Brown capacitors joined ( called cells ) so as to form a triangle assembly. Each asymmetrical capacitor is built with one electrode made with a thin corona wire placed at 30 mm from the main rectangular electrode constructed "ala" Townsend Brown.
Now what would you do when you had "anti gravity" technology?
Patent it, perhaps?

Electrokinetic apparatus - US 2949550 A - IP.com

And there are more interesting patents, by the way: Method and means for producing perpetual motion and power

So far, so good.


Now something else. Think back to the cynematic stuff. Imagine a glass of water at your desk in which you make this beautiful structures. As you know, there are two kinds of waves, "longitudinal" and "transverse". Sound travels in a longitudinal direction, while in a guitar string you have a transversal movement. The difference between the two is the direction the "particles" in the medium move with respect to the movement of the wave. In a longitudinal pressure like wave, the movement of the particles gloes in the same direction as the wave, while in transversal waves, the particles move perpendicular with respect to the movement of the wave.

Now think about this. Where is the transversal wave in your glass?

....

At the water surface. At the *boundary* between two media with a different density. Now how on earth can you have transversal waves in a 3D fluidlike medium? I mean, the wave travels like an expanding sphere, so in which direction are the particals moving "transversally"?

So, in the world of "real" fluids, there are no transverse waves "under water". Transverse waves are sort of like a "fingerprint" of a 3D longitudinal wave that occurs at the boundary between two media.

So, in classic EM theory, we are dealing with an interesting problem. You see, because it is charge carriers that cause the field, you cannot have a field by itself. Now, if there are no charge carriers, like what is supposedly the case in the vacuum, it eventually turns out of the equations that there can be no longitudinal, pressurelike waves, which is also why they are still looking for "gravity waves", so they can finally understand gravity.

However, in Quantum mechanics, you have all kinds of wave equations, with which you can do all kinds of calculations on atoms and for example predict the wave lengths of light that will be emitted when an atom has been "excited", as you do in a fluorescent bulb. Basically, that says matter is an electromagnetic wave.

So, we end up with the situation that on the one hand they say longitudinal waves cannot exist in the vacuum, because the fields can only be created by charge carriers which are matter, while on the other hand they say matter is nothing but an electromagnetic wave. Make up your mind, folks! Either the field creates the matter, or the matter creates the field. Really, ye can't have them both at the same time, right?

And of course, then they also manage to explain EM waves as being transversal waves, which would be the only types of waves that can exist, while in "real fluids" you cannot have transversal waves, except at the boundary of two media.

Now look back at this "Cymatic Ferrofluid" picture. Basically the same exercise as with we saw before with sound. The only difference is that this time magnetic fluid is used, and you see the same kind of patterns. If there would be a real ether, you would say that it look exactly like a standing wave pattern and that the fluid naturally moves to the areas which have the lowest ether pressure.

Now back to the question of what would happen when you would rotate such a cymatic thing. In the real fluid world, there's an interesting kind of filter you can use in your garden pond. A vortex filter, which basically rotates the water inside a cilinder. What happens is that at the outside of the cilinder, the pressure is a bit higher than in the centre, so all the dirt in your pond water ends up in the centre of the filter and drops to the bottom.
You see the same thing more extreme when you pull the plug out of your bath tub and a vortex comes up, you know, like a hurricane.

Now could it be that if you would be able have a very special, spiraling water hose inside a water vessel, such that the water would flow outside of the hose, but just along the surface of the hose, that it would be possible to make a vortex in the water?

Now imagine you would do that at the bottom of a swimming pool.

Then, you would basically get sort of like an apple with hole in the middle, where there is water rotating. Trough the hole, it moves quite rapidly down, because that's where you "drive" it, and at the bottom the water would flow to the side and would eventually end up at the top again.

So, at one side of the watercoil, water would be sucked in, and at the other side it would flow out.

Now if you would take two of these things, you would get funny things. If you try to push the outlets of the magnets together, you can only do that when the direction in which the water rotates matches. Otherwise you will get a lot of turbulence, etc.

I can go on like this for a while, but to me it seems like we would basically have a "water magnet".

So, then let's summarize this:

The electric field as well as gravitation is a longitudinal wave propagating trough the ether.
Magnetism is a 3D vortex in the ether.


Now enter Viktor Schauberger:
Viktor Schauberger, Anti gravity propulsion inventor

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Viktor Schauberger was an Austrian forester who was active during the first half of the 19:th century. He had a huge beard and a friendly laughter, this he combined with an uncompromising belief in himself and his ideas. He was obstinate in combination with a choleric temper. He was a good drawer and probably a skilled craftsman. Even if Viktor was not schooled the academic way he had a deep knowledge in biology, physics and chemistry. His sense and understanding on how water flows in the nature was exceptional. From his observations he formulated his new hydrodynamic basic theory. His friends and opponents described him as highly intelligent and with this intellectual sharpness he made a deep cut in his (and ours) physical paradigm.

During World War Two, Victor Schauberger was interned in a Nazi concentration camp and was forced to work on a flying disk project using his ideas. It is not known if the project was completed, or, if the saucers actually flew in Germany. Reports vary, and no confirmed documentation remains. It is rather convincingly coincidental, however, that our own (US) pilots reported "strange flying disks" over Germany just prior to the War's end. After World War II, Viktor migrated to the United States on promises by various agencies (CIA) to help him develop and test his ideas. Those promises later proved to be hollow. He went to a facility in Dallas Texas, and under uncertain direction, signed over all of the rights to his inventions and patents, to, none other than the US government (Army, Navy...who knows?!). He was sent back to his home-land of Austria, only to die, broken and disillusioned five days later. It would make a great headline for the 'National Enquirer'...and unfortunately...it's TRUE!
Viktor Schauberger :


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When the main electric engine is started, the Coanda effect begins to create a differential aerodynamic pressure between the outer and inner surface of the primary hull. At a higher speed, the vortex chamber becomes a type of high electrostatic generator due to the air particles, in high speed motion, acting as an electrical charge transporter. The Repulsin A will begin to glow due to strong ionization effect of the air. Now we have all the ingredients for a continuous and strong Aether flow along the main axis from the top to the bottom of the craft. The radial air pressure required for lifting 1 kg with the Coanda Effect is roughly 1.4 kg/cm2.

In the Repulsin B the vortex turbine has been improved for increasing the “Implosion Effect” and thus the lifting force. In the Repulsin B the upper membrane is fixed and the lower rotates at high speed. On the edge rim there are special shaped blades of boomerang configuration. There are 120 blades that are 3 degrees spaced around the rim. The enhanced vortex turbine increases significantly the “implosion” effect in the vortex chamber. This contributes to it being able to generate a stronger thrust than the centrifugal turbine used in the Repulsin A. By means of suction screw-impeller (which revolved from the outside towards the inside along a cycloid, spiral space curve) the same type of force is generated which creates twisters, cyclones, and typhoons through the effect of either suction or implosion.

So, if there is no ether, how on earth could a water expert be useful in the research into this kind of technology?

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@Lamare; within light I do think we have a major secret that needs to be uncovered. Problem is that people has the mental blockage that Photons = Light; which is definitely wrong. Get free from that and one come to realize that we in this modern 2010 year does not know a single thing about light.

Next item to investigate a bit further is not the individual capacitor and coil - but a single unit that is both coil and capacitor. There a slight modification on the Tesla Pancake is the point of origin.

There are indicators of phenomena that we do not have instruments to scan or measure. The dipole does have an energy, which we verified with biological material. The same as is presented with Tesla’s London coil. Which is NOT potential. We should figure out how to use the energy to do work WITHOUT having the current flowing. There is no instrument that is able to read this energy; unless you physically connect the two probes to cause a current – in which case you destroy the dipole. Our instruments can only read the rate of destruction of a dipole pair.

Kind of like having a huge reservoir (Dam/Lake); now to make that reservoir work without letting the water out? After all, is food not our biggest demand? If we think of generating hydro-power; then we are doomed. If we change our thoughts to say producing food – then we know that is possible to use such unlimited and free.

Can we produce light without destroying the dipole?
Is that going to be beneficial to humans?
Interesting stuff to think about. I'd say that if you really only can have longitudinal electric waves and vortexes in the ether, that you can have photons, which would be dual-vortexes, as shown in the moving picture by Nassim Haramein (google for his lectures at YouTube. Very interestng), and you can have longitudinal waves in the same frequency range as well.

Then Tesla's "stinging discovery" is interesting:
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Tesla considered this strange voltage multiplying effect from several viewpoints. The problem centered around the fact that there was no magnetic induction taking place. Transformers raise or lower voltage when current is changing. Here were impulses. Change was happening during the impulse. But there was no transformer in the circuit. No wires were close enough for magnetic inductions to take place. Without magnetic induction, there could theoretically be no transformation effect. No conversion from low to high voltage at all. Yet, each switch snap brought both the radiating blue-white sparks and their painful sting.

High voltage impulse currents produced a hitherto unknown radiant ef*fect. In fact, here was an electrical "broadcast" effect whose implementation in a myriad of bizarre designs would set Tesla apart from all other inventors. This new electrical force effect was a preeminent discovery of great histori*cal significance. Despite this fact, few academicians grasped its significance as such. Focused now on dogmatizing Maxwell's work, they could not ac*cept Tesla's excited announcements. Academes argued that Tesla's effect could not exist. They insisted that Tesla revise his statements.

Tesla's mysterious effect could not have been predicted by Maxwell be*cause Maxwell did not incorporate it when formulating his equations. How could he have done so, when the phenomenon was just discovered? Tesla now pondered the academic ramifications of this new effect. What then of his own and possibly other electrical phenomena, which were not incorpo*rated into Maxwell's force laws? Would academes now ignore their exist*ence? Would they now even dare to reject the possibility of such phenomena on the basis of an incomplete mathematical description?
These spikes would go trough anything, unshieldable. It seems that these are longitudinal pressurelike shockwaves, which can be detected more or less only when the wave is in the shape of very strong spikes.

Then there is an interesting link with this:
The ultimate secret of free energy: Split the postive AND the negative

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Meyer basically tried to use fast switching pulses, high bandwidth, eventhough he got his balancing wrong. This is in a way similar to what you do with the SEC circuit, if I understand this right. However, coils are basically current driven, so if you want to drive a coil using voltage pulses trough coupling caps, Doc is right: you need fast switching and a very high bandwidth.
Since we now understand the difference between electrostatic and magnetism (the rotating element you get with coils), you basically have the same problem if you want to detect this kind of energy. You are trying to drive matter (rotating, coil like) with electrostatic pressure ("voltage"), which only works when using "high pressure" and "fast switching". Since natural phenomenon most commonly resonate, it will be hard to detect.
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Next item to investigate a bit further is not the individual capacitor and coil - but a single unit that is both coil and capacitor. There a slight modification on the Tesla Pancake is the point of origin.
Every coil is both a coil and has so called "parasite capacitance", which is basically because of the fact that wires are the same thing as capacitor plates, so they act as capacitors. I explained that here:
Discussion re: the physics behind negative energy systems with radiant spikes

Note that I basically came up with Tesla's "hairpin" there:
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And, if there’s no magnetic component, there’s no Poynting vector, and therefore no radiation of energy…

Very interesting, because this might give us some hints on how to make signal guides for longitudinal electric waves. One tends to think in the direction of putting several isolated wires in a row. Then, you would have the capacitive coupling to propagate the energy, while the spiralling currents prevent any magnetic component to spring up and radiate our precious energy away into outer space……

Something like this: |||||||||
Here I posted about the pancake coil properties:
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However, in practice EM waves can take a "shortcut" in a coil speeding them up, and they can be slowed down as well. The first effect is due to what is known as "parasite capacitance". Every two pieces of metal form a capacitor, which is usually a very small value. However, in a coil, this value is significant at frequencies around the self resonance frequency of the coil. At those frequencies, the wave does not actually have to travel all the way around the coil to move to the next winding, but it sort of jumps over directly. This way, the propagation speed that appears from the outside, is higher then the speed of light. It's not so much that the wave really travels faster, it's more that it takes a shortcut.

The slowing down effect is not 100% clear to me. However, I think it must be related to the coupled induction between two wires. Whenever a current travels trough a coil wire, it will create a magnetic field around itself, which induces a current in the wires (windings) that surround the wire. Somehow, this effects slows down the propagation speed.

So, we have two effects that work opposite to eachother with respect to the propagation speed of a wave trough a coil. Experiments have shown that the height/diameter proportion of a coil determines which one of these effects "wins". For a flat "pancake" coil, height divided by diameter is very small. Then the "slowing down" effect is maximal, and you get a propagation speed that is significantly lower then the speed of light.
For a long, thin coil, the "speeding up" effect is maximal, and you get a propagation speed that is significantly higher then the speed of light.
Now we understand what magnetism is and we understand how the two fit together, this stuff also begins to make sense.
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@lamare; I seek and answer, maybe you can help.

By what method can I determine the resonance of the ambedient environment in a specific loacation?

i.e. A) outside general environment/air?
B) The earth crust at my location?

I can do with many metals and crystals but the answer / experiment for
environment elludes me.
Same, how did Tesla and Schauberger came to their conclusions?
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@lamare; I seek and answer, maybe you can help.

By what method can I determine the resonance of the ambedient environment in a specific loacation?

i.e. A) outside general environment/air?
B) The earth crust at my location?

I can do with many metals and crystals but the answer / experiment for
environment elludes me.
Same, how did Tesla and Schauberger came to their conclusions?
@Aromaz: I don't have much time to think about this now.

However, regarding your light questions, there is a very interesting and well known experiment about "wave-matter duality":

Quantum Theory and Wave/Particle Duality


At the left, a laser shines onto a plate with two very narrow slit. If you have two of these next to one another, you get an interference pattern. While this picture shows this to be very shiny and colorful, in the actual experiment you only see the pattern on the projection screen. So, there you have your invisible light.

Basically, what happens is that the "rotation" component (the magnetic component) of the light cannot pass trough the slit, while the longitudinal component (electrostatic) can.

So, in between the slits and the screen you have longitudinal waves, aka scalar waves. Scalar waves of light. These can interfere, while photons cannot, because they still have this rotational component, the magnetic, and therefore are particles that "bump" onto one another....

So, in reality, the phenomenon of wave/matter duality is not really a duality. It's a conversion from vortexes into an electrostatic wave, which is also what is being done in any ordinary radio receiver. Konstantin Meyl described this very well, it's what is known in electrical engineering as "near field" versus "far field". So, the difference between the two is the magnetic component, the rotation of the ether such that vortexes are formed.

Just a little note: There's a nice song on the radio, just when I wrote this: "It's the power of love".
To me, this is interesting, because now that all this information is public knowledge, we are in for a very interesting ride, because we finally will have free energy, so we don't need to compete so much with one another anymore. I see a lovely future coming on!




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I have been looking for pictures of this experiment that can confirm wether or not you can see the light in betwen the slits and the screen. Haven't been able to find a single one showing the whole setup of such an experiment. Now it has been a long time since I saw this experiment at school, but as far as I remember, you couldn't see the light on it's way from the slit to the screen or at least it was much dimmer. Would be interesting to know once and for all if this is the case. Of course, if there really are longitudinal waves between the slits and the screen, some of that would still be visible as reflection from dust in the air, but most of it should go by unseen.

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Thanks for this description. I dropped duality a long time ago; the slit experiment can greatly be manipulated anyway. However this light interferance does justify my going to dig out an old M&M expeiment and review some aspects.

'Free energy' we already have it and plenty too. You will never be able to get more free energy than that which is radiated from the sun and universe. Solar energy (and cosmic) is very free. Only problem at present is that we can only convert small portion of it due to HF. Might soon be solved with the latest creations which is using multi layer nano tech and convert some 84%. Only problem there is extreme high frequency. The nano based solar cells are 80+ percent cheaper than quartz cells.

Whatever other radaint / free energy we might develop, will always have the cost of equipment/tools to capture and convert; it will never be really FREE for the grabs.
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