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Old 08-02-2010, 10:58 AM
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I wonder if this motor could be used like a Kundel motor ....

YouTube - Kundel Motor running @ 4,100 RPM

I wonder if it could convert to rotational if it had two horizontal shafts....

Just a thought....

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Old 08-03-2010, 12:40 AM
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Wow... so much negativity..... ouch...

If I was Art (the inventor) I sure would not be motivated to come in hear and work with you all ......

How about some positive words of encouragement and possibly HELP!

You all sound a lot like the scientists that you are always putting down.....

Lets get constructive literally... please......

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Tj
I have no problem with anyone who is honest and straightforward, including scientists. I'm honest about my experiments, devices and theories and I expect others to be the same way. I don't claim anything I can't prove either. I post my work because I expect it to be scrutinized and challenged. That's how we learn.
If someone claims to have produced a device which is over unity, I want to see unambiguous input and output power measurements, and a detailed explanation of how these measurements were obtained. This is not too much to ask for.
Otherwise it's just wasting everyone's time.

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Old 08-03-2010, 08:25 AM
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I completely agree with Ted here.

Ted, you have the most sound and right arguments anyone could have.
Do not be worried about accusations and stuff. Just let the 'inventor' and anyone else not compatible the plain reason to work their setups in their own "arcanes" ways and lets hope that they will end up with an OU device. Thing that i believe is higly unlikely.
And then let them whine about surpression etc
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Old 08-03-2010, 10:59 AM
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I also totally agree that being challenged is the best way to insure that all the information on a system is pulled out and made public.....

I just thought it could be done in a more inviting way thats all.....

I have given Art the link to this thread so hopefully he will come in and talk with us.....

Anyway....

Ash, will the person that is doing the build come in and share his/her info on the build in this thread? It would be great if we could get regular reports and pictures.....:-)

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Gap Power said that making the device was the easy part. They have spent more time trying to measure the energy this device used. When you get away from 60 Hz or from straight DC we all know it becomes difficult to determine how much energy is used. It is easy to demand good measurements but a lot of people have a hard time getting them. I personal do not use batteries when trying to determine the energy used. I have found that ultra caps work better for for this. Also if you put two large caps 100 000 F or bigger in series with a shunt between the two you can get better measurements of what is really going on. Gotoluke thought me how to do that....Thanks Luke!

So don't be to hard on them they have said they are trying to figure that out...I am sure they want to know also. It is easy to judge, but remember they said they are trying... Sometimes I get the idea that if I put a free energy device in front of some of you, you would deny it even exists! If that is the case why are you hear? This should be the nursery of free energy. There are a lot of people that are just trying to build and learn that just don't know...help them.

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Old 08-04-2010, 06:25 AM
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@Karl_Palsness,


I personally understand, Karl, that 99 % of those poeple making such claims are totally ignorant of the fact that they are not enjoying OU even they really really believe so.
Its not about the difficulty of measurment. This can be dealt with. Smoothing caps, high-impedance coils for eliminating HF interference and analogue means can critically help at eliminating errors due to pulsing, HF noise, etc.

Most of the "inventors" are not just asking for help for determining the input of their devices. They think its an out of science and reason masterpiece they have made and treat it as a magical object.

More or less as the tesla hair pin circuit you have made widely puplic, and demonstrates nothing more than HF HV electricity and its radically different properties than plain LF or DC electricity.

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Of course they is a 1% of inventors who have something of real value but they consistently deny at exposing any aspect of this technology due to a plethora of reasons.
And yes we are here, because, if any such technology revelation happens someday, this will be the place for info proliferation and not msn.com
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Old 08-04-2010, 02:00 PM
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Most of the "inventors" are not just asking for help for determining the input of their devices. They think its an out of science and reason masterpiece they have made and treat it as a magical object.
Perfect. Why spoil a masterpiece with silly numbers.
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Old 08-04-2010, 07:57 PM
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I don't know why you need to make special motors that cost a fortune. No one will finance them no matter how big the COP is or how fast they go. Museums are FULL of OU motors and no serious investor will go anywhere near them. (they been there done that many times in the past and millions of bucks later..NADA)

The process works perfectly as asymmetric bloch wall modulation as indeed magnacoaster realized the same thing.

Everyone starts off with a motor then goes Solid State even kapandze did the same thing. If you have an OU power source there are plenty of off the shelf motors one can use that are professionally made and do the job perfectly.
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Old 08-04-2010, 08:41 PM
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even kapandze did the same thing.
For the record, his last name is Kapanadze

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Old 08-04-2010, 10:13 PM
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For the record, his last name is Kapanadze

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Spelling foreign names not my strong point sorry. I think most people know who i was referring too
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Old 08-05-2010, 03:05 AM
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I don't know why you need to make special motors that cost a fortune. No one will finance them no matter how big the COP is or how fast they go. Museums are FULL of OU motors and no serious investor will go anywhere near them. (they been there done that many times in the past and millions of bucks later..NADA)

The process works perfectly as asymmetric bloch wall modulation as indeed magnacoaster realized the same thing.

Everyone starts off with a motor then goes Solid State even kapandze did the same thing. If you have an OU power source there are plenty of off the shelf motors one can use that are professionally made and do the job perfectly.
Yeh, but solid state's no fun.
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I don't know why you need to make special motors that cost a fortune. No one will finance them no matter how big the COP is or how fast they go. Museums are FULL of OU motors and no serious investor will go anywhere near them. (they been there done that many times in the past and millions of bucks later..NADA)

The process works perfectly as asymmetric bloch wall modulation as indeed magnacoaster realized the same thing.

Everyone starts off with a motor then goes Solid State even kapandze did the same thing. If you have an OU power source there are plenty of off the shelf motors one can use that are professionally made and do the job perfectly.
Could you point us in the direction of some of these museums? I don't need investment money so maybe a few replication might be in order.
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Old 08-06-2010, 09:36 AM
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I don't mean literally but im sure one or two have ended up in Museums. The point in making is look through the patents many people built these motors and indeed many worked. Many motors were seen working in public. What happened to the like of the Newman motor (the silver sausage) or the Gray motor?
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Old 08-07-2010, 04:01 PM
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I tell ya what, adding a magnet to the back of your coil for pulse motor really can add some promising power.

I just got a small pulse motor that set up to pull the magnet in. I have a large NEO on the back pointed towards the coil North. The coil turns (36 volt, .05 amps) on just enough to let the magnet on the wheel attract to the iron, then I shut it off and let the magnets feild do the work.
I am just knocking down my amperage with resistors and letting the power supply through a small reed.
I am getting about 4200 rpms, which normally costs about 36volt 1.5 amp with out the magnet. I am not sure about the torque as the motor is just a freewheeler.
I am going to set one up with shaft and try to measure it.

I can also add power. 36 volt 1 amp. to match the same strength as the magnet puts out. The motor goes 6700 rpms and has probably got a bit of torque, but not sure how much. Just estimating based on a finger test.

The one thing is fly back charging is about non existent. I can use a seperate strand of the coil and collect 64 volt ac 80 volt rectified in a cap. But the amp draw goes up suggesting just a transformer effect.
I can collect like a monopole where the ground is hooked to the hot of the run. A capacitor (100volt 10,000uf) will charge up to 100 volt within a seconds time but I have not gone past that as far as discharging the capacitor back to the run system or a separate charging bank.

Neat stuff I wish I had some bigger magnets.

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Old 08-07-2010, 04:08 PM
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I don't mean literally but im sure one or two have ended up in Museums. The point in making is look through the patents many people built these motors and indeed many worked. Many motors were seen working in public. What happened to the like of the Newman motor (the silver sausage) or the Gray motor?

Thats what I thought. But don't mind me if I don't give up because others have had problems. There will obviously be no progress on any energy front with out a good fight. If you choose to lay down and be a coward in the face of history thats your own problem.
Generally speaking that is, nothing personal.
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I can collect like a monopole where the ground is hooked to the hot of the run. A capacitor (100volt 10,000uf) will charge up to 100 volt within a seconds time but I have not gone past that as far as discharging the capacitor back to the run system or a separate charging bank.
Neat stuff I wish I had some bigger magnets.
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Hey Matt that is a lot of energy for 1 sec!! Can you explain what you mean with "where the ground is hooked to the hot of the run".
You said that you don't get much from the fly back.

A quick observation.
I did a quick test today with 3 small round ceramics with a short steel piece glued on top with a quick coil turned around it. (27 awg)
In repel mode, I can get the top moving magnets to drop down on the coil when activating the coil if they are near to the coil.
When in attraction mode I cannot get the moving magnets to release and pulled away by hand. It will need a lot of voltage and a huge coil to do that.
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Hey Matt that is a lot of energy for 1 sec!! Can you explain what you mean with "where the ground is hooked to the hot of the run".
You said that you don't get much from the fly back.

A quick observation.
I did a quick test today with 3 small round ceramics with a short steel piece glued on top with a quick coil turned around it. (27 awg)
In repel mode, I can get the top moving magnets to drop down on the coil when activating the coil if they are near to the coil.
When in attraction mode I cannot get the moving magnets to release and pulled away by hand. It will need a lot of voltage and a huge coil to do that.
Just like a monopole. The charge side is grounded to the hot of the run side. Then the discharge goes from the coil hookup on the collector to the hot of the charge battery.

I have tuned it a bit better and I am now able to get the charge batts up a bit a more.


Try Neo's they work better.

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Does it make any difference if the magnets attached to the core of the coil are set back away from the coil with an extended core like the Gap Power motor or can the magnets be placed directly on the core of a coil that is even with the edge of the coil spool?

Just curious if this is important... I will give it a try both ways.....

I think I need to get a variable/adjustable power supply to help me with these experements....

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Does it make any difference if the magnets attached to the core of the coil are set back away from the coil with an extended core like the Gap Power motor or can the magnets be placed directly on the core of a coil that is even with the edge of the coil spool?

Just curious if this is important... I will give it a try both ways.....

I think I need to get a variable/adjustable power supply to help me with these experements....

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Nope doesn't matter. I guess the big thing would be if the core is long enough the field will dissipate so you lose the advantage.

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Thanks Matt!

I have several Bedini bifilar coils with cores in them so I will start with them and my 1.5 inch x .5 in neos and see how it goes....

I think that this back and forth shaft motor with help me replicate a different version of the Kundel motor effect and get some rotation from it....

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