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Old 07-10-2010, 05:09 AM
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Plasma propulsion / Lifter / EM Antigravity Mini AirCraft

The purpose of this thread is to discuss all type of levitation and propulsion systems that will be used on "UFO" aircrafts and powered by FE devices in a near future!

i wanted to make a lifter since a lot time ago, and the plasma propulsion thing exited me to start building because now we can put an inanimate lifter to propel in all directions instead of just levitating!

im starting my replica and still wondering some interactions of how this will work, but its very simple process, and i allready have it all in my head, i would do some schematics!!

thats all for now...

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EDIT: i forgot to say, all the credits of this project goes to Naudin, jonny (that put us aware of the plama propulsion), woppy & lidmotor (that have improved the concept), and all the guys experimenting with this stuff!!
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this will be my mini lifter:






Im still thinking on the best way to adapt the plasma propulsors in this craft!!



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Figured I'd share something I found interesting. While reading William Lynes book Pentagon Aliens where he described Tesla's electric propulsion system, I remembered a web site I had seen a while back related to a high voltage thruster that was non ion wind (FreeWeb. On the page the inventor had a thruster that also contained a plasma discharge tube, the commonality struck me! technically the only difference between Lynes description and his thruster arrangement was that his dc and ac components where offset and not directly opposite each other.
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Figured I'd share something I found interesting. While reading William Lynes book Pentagon Aliens where he described Tesla's electric propulsion system, I remembered a web site I had seen a while back related to a high voltage thruster that was non ion wind Thruster with ping-pong ball. On the page the inventor had a thruster that also contained a plasma discharge tube, the commonality struck me! technically the only difference between Lynes description and his thruster arrangement was that his dc and ac components where offset and not directly opposite each other. Sorry for the repost, screwed up the URL.
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thank you very much phoneboy!! very interesting stuff to my project!!

here it is the schematic, i call it PPAL:




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Figured I'd share something I found interesting. While reading William Lynes book Pentagon Aliens where he described Tesla's electric propulsion system, I remembered a web site I had seen a while back related to a high voltage thruster that was non ion wind Thruster with ping-pong ball. On the page the inventor had a thruster that also contained a plasma discharge tube, the commonality struck me! technically the only difference between Lynes description and his thruster arrangement was that his dc and ac components where offset and not directly opposite each other. Sorry for the repost, screwed up the URL.
I think you are referring to this cool guy, who is using a needle and half a ping pong ball

YouTube - borbasmiklos's Channel

Loads of experiments on video - enjoy tantric. Keep us informed, and ill get my old lifter out and join you...its just sitting in a box upstairs, waiting for action

EDIT - i see you also left a good link - thank you!!!!
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guys i got a better concept...

instead of having the levitator and propulsion with different systems, i will supply the propulsion from the same source of Ion levitation!

i will also make same tests to see what i can get with magnetic rotational plasma!!

i allready have my prototype ready, and is not the concept of naudin anymore... i will try with a really UFO shape spaceship!!

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one more good new!

the levitator will work without ground connection, but that drives to a problem... "vibration"!

we should solve that easily also!

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example:

Main pyramidal frame : cardboard 200 mm wide and 60 mm height.

Total Weight : 7 g

Power required for a stable flight above the ground : 18.9 Watts ( 35 KV @ 540uA )


just some interesting calculations to study viability:

0.007g x 25.000 (just a shot) ~ 175K

good one my weight is 60k, lets imagine we can have an ultra light carbon and aluminium armature craft + FE generator with the rest 115k.

18.9W x 25.000 = 472500 watts

uff, our free energy device will have to be very small and light, and very much powerfull! i will not calculate the voltage so i dont scare myself!

maybe this is not proporcional, and we can power the small human craft with much less power compared with the smaller version? or we can find out someway of achieving the same effects with much less power?

everything its possible!




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The purpose of this thread is to discuss all type of levitation and propulsion systems that will be used on "UFO" aircrafts and powered by FE devices in a near future!

i wanted to make a lifter since a lot time ago, and the plasma propulsion thing exited me to start building because now we can put an inanimate lifter to propel in all directions instead of just levitating!

im starting my replica and still wondering some interactions of how this will work, but its very simple process, and i allready have it all in my head, i would do some schematics!!

thats all for now...

BOOM!!!

EDIT: i forgot to say, all the credits of this project goes to Naudin, jonny (that put us aware of the plama propulsion), woppy & lidmotor (that have improved the concept), and all the guys experimenting with this stuff!!
I really like this propulsion demonstration - it seems to have a good force behind it:
YouTube - EHD-reactor
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I really like this propulsion demonstration - it seems to have a good force behind it:
YouTube - EHD-reactor
nice vid, it kind of reminds me of my experiments with thrusters, you can see the largest one i built on my profile picture

here are some of my thurster videos
YouTube - serfer5rogers's Channel
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thank you harvey, verfy interesting! what do you think of plasma in vacuum my friend?

@sefer cool videos you have there my friend!!


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thank you harvey, verfy interesting! what do you think of plasma in vacuum my friend?

@sefer cool videos you have there my friend!!


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I really like this propulsion demonstration - it seems to have a good force behind it:
YouTube - EHD-reactor
Why this video show only momentary acceleration and not continuous like serfer5?

Considering the circuit mentioned is pulse triggered I wonder why it only produce momentary acceleration? My experiment also show continuous thrust?
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nice vid, it kind of reminds me of my experiments with thrusters, you can see the largest one i built on my profile picture

here are some of my thurster videos
YouTube - serfer5rogers's Channel
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thank you harvey, verfy interesting! what do you think of plasma in vacuum my friend?

@sefer cool videos you have there my friend!!


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Plasma is the fourth state of matter and consists of dual electrical pathways of free electrons and ions. Our atmosphere is mostly vacuum with distributed gases that interacts readily with plasma to neutralize it.

So plasma in the vacuum is a better place to experiment with it than in our atmosphere. Pressure plays an important part in all types of matter states and energy conversions and low pressures are helpful at liberating energy from material.

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Why this video show only momentary acceleration and not continuous like serfer5?

Considering the circuit mentioned is pulse triggered I wonder why it only produce momentary acceleration? My experiment also show continuous thrust?
I don't know, perhaps ask Mr. Gilles
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thanks .... posted a few more vids last night, i was just wondering if the slayer exciter as a power supply would make a difference, being that it runs at a higher frequency
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can you explain that better?

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can you explain that better?

if you are talking about the frequency I mentioned then it has to do with these devices are basically like capacitors and react to different frequencies. the power supplies used on lifters was a computer monitor running at around 16 Kilo Hz and the slayer circuit runs much faster, it might not make a difference but then again it might
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so you are planning to output kilovolts from a slayer exiter tower, to power a lifter?

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so you are planning to output kilovolts from a slayer exiter tower, to power a lifter?

the output is all ready in kilovolts, to get to higher kilovolts i would add a voltage multiplyer to L1
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Somewhere in my junk box I have an ignition coil pack from a 2000 Mercury. It is relatively light weight and has an output to drive spark plugs directly.

Now, I was thinking, a lightweight lithium battery or the like could be used with that (and maybe a voltage multiplier)to feed the inside of a sphere. In a very short period of time the exterior of the sphere will reach dielectric break down voltage of the surrounding air.

Now - what would be required, to put this on a lifter to supply the on board power for the thrusters?

Or is there a lot more power going on here than just the ES field stress?

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harvey dont know if i understanded well..

you want to drive small thruster that will be coupled to the lifter, to propel it?

thats a very good idea!

@serfer can you point me simple schematics to make a small thruster similar to yours? you power it just like you power a lifter?

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the output is all ready in kilovolts, to get to higher kilovolts i would add a voltage multiplyer to L1
Can we really use voltage multiplier in the kilovolts output part? Won't it reduce power?

By L1 do you mean the primary? I think on a very efficient switching circuit, voltage multiplier might end up reduce the secondary voltage.
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Now, I was thinking, a lightweight lithium battery or the like could be used with that (and maybe a voltage multiplier)to feed the inside of a sphere. In a very short period of time the exterior of the sphere will reach dielectric break down voltage of the surrounding air.
Why sphere? A static potential do not provide continuous thrust.
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harvey dont know if i understanded well..

you want to drive small thruster that will be coupled to the lifter, to propel it?

thats a very good idea!

@serfer can you point me simple schematics to make a small thruster similar to yours? you power it just like you power a lifter?

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Yes, did you see Charles Gilles video at the very end (2:42) where he attached his to a regular lifter?

I'm trying to see if there is a way to put the power on board so it will be mobile.
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Why sphere? A static potential do not provide continuous thrust.
The inside of a sphere is always zero volts potential, so it will keep taking new charge indefinitely from the coil-pack. The outside of the sphere will grow in charge accordingly, so it becomes a very high voltage source.

Look carefully at Charles Gilles thruster, it is using high voltage to operate.

It is a direct conversion between an Electric Field and Kinetic Energy. But there must be power involved - how much weight and how much lift acceleration determines the power needed.

At the very least, I think we can fly a helium balloon around with it.

(In Fact, the Helium Balloon can be our sphere)
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The outside of the sphere will grow in charge accordingly, so it becomes a very high voltage source.
I mean, can we produce pulsed very high voltage with that?

TT Brown mention that static high voltage produce dampened acceleration. It will accelerate for 5 second and then reverse a little. Forget where I read it, sorry.

Maybe 50KV produce bigger thrust, but without pulsing, we only get momentary acceleration.
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I mean, can we produce pulsed very high voltage with that?

TT Brown mention that static high voltage produce dampened acceleration. It will accelerate for 5 second and then reverse a little. Forget where I read it, sorry.

Maybe 50KV produce bigger thrust, but without pulsing, we only get momentary acceleration.
The Sphere is a capacitor to store the charge and gives us a way to use lower voltage charging systems to get a very high voltage potential.

Serfer has a rotational thruster of some type there that runs for quite a while, about 27 seconds by my count, and looks as if it would just keep rotating as long as power is applied.

I don't have any practical experience with lifters, but I do have a lot of experience with Horizontal Flyback Transformers and HV systems among other things. So I'm learning here along with the rest =)
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harvey dont know if i understanded well..

you want to drive small thruster that will be coupled to the lifter, to propel it?

thats a very good idea!

@serfer can you point me simple schematics to make a small thruster similar to yours? you power it just like you power a lifter?

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the JNL site that you took the lifter pictures from has all the info you need, i was part of that project in 2000 2002 and the building material used was balsa wood or foam with aluminum foil. I used foam, if you need more info then i will try to help
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