First, I have discussed posting this info with Aaron, and have permission to do so.

CermaSales - Index

This product is of special interest to those who burn Hydrogen in their engine as Hydrogen has been well documented to embrittle metal and cause Hydrogen induced stress cracking. With time the Hydrogen will penetrate the metal at various points and cause damage. By adding a ceramic layer onto the metal this problem is eliminated. STM-3 can be added to the crankcase oil and the fuel so that all parts are treated.

We also have a product approved for dentistry applications.

You can visit our website for more information: CermaSales - FAQ

No H being used yet but I'll bite or at least nibble How much is needed for a car engine (say a 4 liter size) and how much does it cost?

Since it is a public health issue i am sure Aaron would welcome it . We are currently editing and getting data back for our fuel saving and vehicle modifications (PDF and new video production) so this is a welcome addition to the PDF my friend thanks for posting looks promising, like the third party testing aspect.. great start.

Ash

For motors under 4L in size 2oz's added to the oil is sufficient, over 4L requires 4 oz's.
In Canada, our MSRP is $55 for a 2 oz bottle.
We only distribute to Canada, so if you are in the US then we would direct you to the manufacturer. (made in the USA)

We also have a product made specifically for dental handpieces, but it can also be used in air tools used by the food industry (completely non-toxic and food safe ingredients)

Just a side note, it has been found that (and we are going to have some test data hopefully soon) if the STM-3 is used as a gun lubricant it will produce higher FPS and an improved trajectory thus increasing accuracy. Plus it protects the barrel from corrosion caused by the gasses. This only takes a few drops.

You should be able to use this on any 2 or 4 cycle engine also.
Cerma Test Results

Yes, you can use it in any engine, 2 or 4 cycle gas or diesel.
Any internal combustion motor.
You can apply it to any hydraulic system or compressor; any gearbox or differential.
Apply it to your chainsaw bar and see it improve rpm and heat issues.
Use it in your air-tools.
So many uses, lots of benefits.

That link is from the manufacturer and American distributor.

Well I typed a really long post telling about my great experience with this product and when I tried to submit it this forum said I wasn't logged in so I lost it. I don't have time to retype all that again so I'll just say I am really impressed with what a difference it has made to my wife's 1995 Saturn wagon. They have a new web site were you can order directly from them and even pay for it with Paypal. I have no connection with them in any way except I am a very pleased user of their product. If anyone has any questions about my experience I will try to answer them later. I have something else I have to do now.

Carroll

PS The new website is called the Cerma Store.

Cermax Thats address

You know whats funny, when this was first posted they made claims that it would help an engine under hydrogen supplement. I can't seem to find that claim on the old site or new site.

Matt

Hi Matt,

Well, I don't know a lot about hydrogen embrittlement. If it affects all the metal parts in the combustion chamber then I don't think this would help. According to the research I have done this only bonds to the metal where there is actual surface to surface contact between 2 metal surfaces. It is the heat and friction together that causes the bonding action. So I am guessing there would be no change to metal surfaces where there is no contact with other metal. Also this is added to the oil so very little would get to the top of the piston or cylinder head in the combustion area.

I put this in my wife's 1995 Saturn wagon which has the twin overhead cam 1.9 liter engine. I had rebuilt that engine at about 100,000 miles because a bad design flaw had caused part of the top land of 2 pistons to break off and let the rings start flopping around. Of course the compression fell off and the engine started running rough. I rebuilt it with all new pistons and rings. It never seemed to have the power or get the mileage it used to after that. It also used a little more oil than I thought it should. I was a mechanic for several years so I had done all the proper things for an engine rebuild yet the engine just wasn't as good as new like it should have been. I really think that for some reason the rings just didn't seat properly after the rebuild.

When I put in the Cerma a couple of weeks ago the car had 158,000 miles on it. You are supposed to drive it for at least 30 minutes after you first put it in. At the end of a 45 minute drive I could tell the engine was running a little smoother. This past weekend we went from central Georgia to northern Kentucky. When we got to the mountains in northern Georgia I could tell there was definitely a difference in the car. This car had always had to down-shift to keep up to speed on those long hills on interstate 75 if I had the cruise control on. On this trip it didn't do that! I was really surprised. I didn't really expect to see a lot of difference in the car because it wasn't running bad before. It just seemed a little weak and used a little oil. If you are familiar with I 24 going from Chattanooga to Nashville there is a mountain you go over called Monteagle. Even if I drive it with the cruise off this car has always had to down-shift to keep up to speed going up this mountain. This time it didn't! When we got to KY I checked the oil and I could barely see a difference on the dipstick. I had really been driving the car hard too. I was running between 70 -75 mph all the way except for 45 minutes stuck in Nashville where we only went 10 miles in that time because of ballgame traffic.

For only about $46 including shipping this is certainly an easy way to get an engine back to like new performance. I was really surprised at what a difference it made. I have tried a lot of things over the years but I have to say this is one product that does what it claims to do.


Carroll

No I wasn't doubting whether it worked or not I was curious why the Hydrogen statements had been removed. They were there!!

It might have been part of there "Government Labs" deal.

No Biggy, just looking for the conspiracy.

Cheers
Matt

cifta, thanks for the pro opinion. I usually don't buy into these kinds of 'oil additives' but I'm thinking about this one. My one question is whether you do this treatment once or do you have to add it each time you do an oil change?

Hi ewizard,

According to the people at Cerma this is a one time deal. There are some copy cats out there that are saying their product should be used again at about 100,000 miles later. But Cerma says their product is good for the life of the engine, which according to them should be about 2 to 3 times as long as it would normally be. By the way they had a court battle over the name and finally won that in federal court. They were declared the original owners of the name Cermax. In order to prevent confusion over the name they changed the name to Cerma, but it is still the same product.

When I first saw this posted here I was pretty skeptical and decided to do some research. I went to some of the forums that deal with engines and engine additives. From the people that had NOT tried the product they were almost all convinced it was another snake oil. However everyone that had tried it said it really did work so I decided to give it a try. I am always leery of the testimonials about a product on the home page of the product so I wanted to get some other feedback. I think if you try it you will be surprised at how well it works.

Carroll

cifta, Thanks! I agree it's better to hear from someone you know is real rather than a testimonial on a product sale page. I did write Cerma and got a reply back answering my question also.

@ALL

just did three emissions test with it and got given some to test, we need to do the after in a few weeks. Will have an independent report for ALL.

@Matt now they say

Cerma with STM-3 is the only product of it kind that will stop hydrogen embrittlement damage in an engine

Ash

Well it's been a little over a year and a half since I did the Cerma treatment to our 1995 Saturn wagon and it is still working fine. We have put 30,000 miles on the car since then and it still uses no oil between normal changes and will only use about a quart if I let it go for 5,000 miles instead of normal 3,000 between changes. I think the oil is just breaking down after that long. The oil is still staying clean for a lot longer too. That is why I let it go sometimes for 5,000 miles before changes. It just doesn't look like it needs to be changed at 3,000 miles. The mileage is still up there too, in the mid 30s on a long trip. Just wanted to give a follow up report.

Carroll

ashtweth,
its been four years since the last post in this thread, any new developments
did you get around to doing that independent report you talked about?

Ash just posted that yesterday, not four years ago. The first post in this thread is less than 2 years old. Are you looking at the date a person joined instead of the date of the post?

Carroll

Yes guys we finally got sponsored some Cerma and will test it on 4 vehicles, already did 3 emissions test, need one more then to add the cerma and report, remember we test the XXX out of some thing, so it will be different fuel types, we will also test it with the Z5, and fuel magnets, so far we have found the best fuel savers are the Z5, XFT/fuel mag MIXED TOGETHER. Cerma is a one off for the friction treatment, it may be a missing link. (for co generative low cost high fuel savings)

Y no one states its organic?


Ash

Oops!! my bad... sorry.
yeah im the new guy!

JaggedE

im trying to access http://cermasales.ca/ but it says

"Forbidden

You don't have permission to access / on this server."


i also tried proxies from the us, canada, germany and japan and still no change.

are others facing the same problem?

the reason i need to ask is because ive changed my isp and until i did i could access the website.

cermastore.com seems to be working though, does that mean the website has migrated or the suppression has started?

jaggedE

I would say that it's moved to the http://cermastore.com

On a side note it looks like the regular treatment is $72

I have a 2000 Cavalier that still gets ~35 miles/gallon (AND 292,000 miles!!!). I wonder what this would do for that

Any more testimonials from members here?

Thanks,
occy

im waiting for someone from here to make a trip to the US, ill ask them to bring it back with them. im all for testing it out on my car, but getting my hands on it could take a while.

meanwhile we are all waiting for ashtweth at panacea university to publish their findings. that will be decisive, after they are through with it i dont think any more testimonials will be able to add or subtract from it.

Guys no vid or snap yet but thought i would give you the meat

Have done 3 tests with petrol, diesel and LPG, in an LPG car, reduced noise more power and engine temp down, we are doing an emissions next week on it, just did a diesel test with measuring the engine noise results in a few days
we reduced emissions in the petrol case

The positive results in the Subaru

60k's
HC - 55% drop
CO - 100% drop
CO2 - 12% drop
NOx - 3.46x increase

80k's
HC - 86% drop
CO - 100% drop
CO2 - 0.6% increase
NOx - 1.4% drop

Ash

Guys there seems to be some thing substantial with AIR CONDITIONING AND COLD ROOMS using this organic substance.

we just finished getting a report on an ice box maker. Will have a snap and report for the video with all of it when finished, here is a highlight, this guy saved half his energy using an ice box maker.

He emptied the ice maker box, and timed how long it took to fill up with ice. It took 95 hours.He then emptied it and added the Cerma,it took 65 hours first go to fill up.

After a week
42 Hr's
Thats prob half the energy. We will try and do a supermarket fridge for the video.

Ash

ash,
very encouraging results thanks.
any theories on why the NOx goes up in the first case?

also any figures on the increase if any on the MPG?

thanks
JaggedE

Hi JaggedE/ALL

Yes my friend some times one goes down and one goes up i have seen it with hyroxy, Z5 and the XFT treatment , this is due to the different chemical reactions i think?, so its normal to get some thing like that, but it changes for different fuel types, like Hydroxy will make the nox goes up in diesels etc etc.

Okay we need to wait 90 days as per instructions for peak fuel savings so are recording as we speak .

I really think you guys should go make money with a big fridge with this and do some open source free energy work

Ash

ash,
any idea how he applied it? did he paint it on or dilute it and spray it? (or is the cerma not so viscous in the first place?)

im doing an independent evaluation of cerma as well on an opel 2002 model. obviously need to wait for peak fuel savings but so far i can surely say vibrations have gone down tremendously, it used to viberate so much that the silencer used to make a racket inspite of having a rubber to stop it from touching the car body, now the sound has gone completely and the vibration is drastically reduced.

i shall post fuel savings and pollution reports after 3 months!

however i think we might need to fool the oxygen sensor on the car like we do for hydroxy in order to get peak fuel savings. has anyone else done this?

Hi jaggedE,

I'm glad to see you are already seeing some improvements to your Opel, but I don't understand why you think it might be necessary to try and fool the oxygen sensor. The cerma treatment only helps the engine to run more efficiently by raising the compression and lowering the friction of the internal parts of the engine. The cerma doesn't do anything to affect the fuel to air ratio so there should be no need to do anything to fool the oxygen sensor.

After you get a thousand miles or so on your Opel you should see at least a 10 to 15% increase in your mileage. Our Saturn went from 28 to 32.5 miles/gal on trips and this was a car that was showing no signs of real problems other that using a little more oil than I thought it should. Now it still uses no oil between changes almost a year after the treatment. We have put about 25,000 miles on it in the last year. It appears it really is a one time treatment.


Carroll

Sorry i missed this one my friend, he applied it the normal way to Air cons,
Cerma Air

you can use the left over in the bottle for smaller jobs, I know some one who did that .