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Old 06-28-2010, 12:10 PM
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We already have FREE ENERGY!!!!

LOL..My paranoid uncle wont like this. But what the hell. Hope this brings a few of the smart guys back down to earth..No offense.
Here is the question. What do we have for free that can be manipulated easily and cheaply too give us over 1000% OU mark up?

Here some clues.

1. Its been there for a really, really long time. Probably longer than google.

2. Most six year olds know how to utilize its incredible insect destroying power with little more than a cheap plastic toy.

3. Isn't it 2010? I am sure our modern computers could easily replace a murderous six year old over an 8 hour period?

Free Energy is NOT an issue. Its already and has been there all along. Energy STORAGE needs a little work to make it free..er .
But hey? I'm sure you guys already knew that.
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Old 06-28-2010, 12:42 PM
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When the price of solar panels come down by 500% it might be worth it but until then it's not although i have seen people using Fresnel lenses to amplify the panels
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Old 06-28-2010, 12:56 PM
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Why would u need a panel when u can get over (conservative figure) 5000 degrees from a simple piece of automatic, systematic, hydromatic GLASS?
focused to over 1000% efficiency by the thing you are looking at right now.
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Old 06-28-2010, 02:06 PM
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You are talking about solar condensers....right?

They work great in the day and even better in equatorial latitudes....like deserts, but they get damaged by sand and need cleaning.

A good idea, but far from free.
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Old 06-28-2010, 02:15 PM
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Solar power plants in the Mojave Desert

Solar power plants in the Mojave Desert - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



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Old 06-28-2010, 02:39 PM
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The sun is a "free" power source, per se, but getting around clouds and then converting/storing the energy for use after dark gets to be an expensive problem to solve. Changing the way we conduct our daily lives helps but doesn't solve the issues with solar.
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Even if you find a way to store the solar like in the case of molten salt
Storing Solar Power In Molten Salt >> MetaEfficient Reviews

storing solar molten salt - Google Search

Thankfully, now Spain is doing it.

You still need to have a way to get over the oil cartels, an Australian who was doing this method was forced to move overseas, the politicians did not take him up on it. The solar towers BTW also work at night.
YouTube - Solar Tower - renewable energy green global warming

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Old 06-28-2010, 04:58 PM
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vickers.....

a fresnel lense by any chance?
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Old 06-28-2010, 05:54 PM
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Btw, basically all energy that can be obtained on earth is Solar energy, it is not limited to Sun light itself.

River flow (for hydroelectric stations) is sustained by Sun energy, which makes water to vaporate,
wind is generated by Sun energy trough water vapor, pressure change cycles in Earth atmosphere,
waves in sea is generated by wind, which is...,
etc.

Even so hated oil keeps energy that is accumulated from sun, only trough millions of years long, complicated process.

Only question - where does Sun got it's energy? From vacuum? If that is so, then we can bypass this element and be on the horse. It is known, that Sun will end in couple of billion years or so. What then? Assuming that there would be left a single intelligent human.
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It is known, that Sun will end in couple of billion years or so.
How is it KNOWN?

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It is known, that Sun will end in couple of billion years or so. What then? Assuming that there would be left a single intelligent human.
A few billion years......
And why is that even a concern??
If we haven't evolved beyond material beings by then ..................!

Apparently the sun gets its energy from whatever matrix holds our universe together which the people who are working on the plasma theory have been seeking to ascertain.
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Old 06-28-2010, 11:49 PM
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Alot of people ignore alot of things that have to do with thermal energy from the sun. It not just a power source for Electric Solar Power or thermal collection energy. In fact the sun can make you or break you when talking about efficiencies of structure. But at the same the sun can give all kinds of thermal energy that you don't have to pay for, and not just when your talking heating.

I recently built a house and I am proud to say it is one of the most efficient homes in this state if not the most and would rank in the top hundred nation wide.

Of course the power and hot water are generated via solar but the sun plays a bigger part in the efficiency of the home than that.

I have placed it do South. For 2 reasons, In the summer the sun rises directly over the peak of my home. Of course you have brief cascading effect first thing in the morning and a little in the evening, but generally the home has no heat load through the windows in the dead of summer. The roof is insulated directly under the shingles with an organic foam compound and no heat infiltration from the hot shingles ever enters the home.
Until winter... When the low sun comes through the back windows to heat the home. With just the window on a 20 deg F day in the middle of winter, with a clear sky the home heats to 75 degrees. No additional heat is needed until the evening.

If every home that was built in the last 10 years was point do north or south and prepared as mine was, today we would save 20.2 billion dollars in energy cost nationwide (US). I don't have the carbon counts in my head but they are significant also. And none of the numbers factor in the cost from additional heat supply.

Another Solar energy storage device that people often forget is water. An insulated tank of water can placed under ground. 5000 gallon capacity. The water in the tank can be heated via solar until it reaches temperatures close to or above boiling. It can circulated and stored at next to no cost. This energy can heat an insulated slab at the size of 1600 square foot under a house for up to 8 months with a small supplement of sun light every week.
This is the lowest and most effective way of heating on the books. And its pure solar energy.

The number of ways to use or manipulate Solar Energy is a constantly growing number. And the beauty of it is you can build alot of the stuff that uses it.

So your right we do have an unlimited source of free energy the biggest question is....Have you taken the time to tap it? Or are you waiting on someone else to do it for you...

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Old 06-29-2010, 01:21 AM
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Hi Matt, Sounds like a nice house. Underground tank is a great idea.
U probably already seen this one but this link will be of benefit to others.
YouTube - Solar hydrogen home Michael Strizki
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Old 06-29-2010, 01:30 AM
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Ya I have seen that one but he has no budget. Your looking at well over 500k in energy investment just to run his house and shop. LOL like a 45 year pay off.

But thats not the subject here

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Old 06-29-2010, 03:29 AM
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Me and my mad uncle used to play around with heliostats years ago with the intention of maintaining the focused heat of a 11 inch magnifying glass. Are u aware of how many solar panels u would need to generate the same amount of energy as a focused 11 inch magnifying glass? LOL. Anyway gave up. Too hard. Lot easier with a parabolic collector but not as efficient or fun or downright brutal.
These days it should be real easy for a clued up programmer/robotics/electrical engineer type person/s etc..to figure out. I am sure NASA were capable of it in the sixties. Always been suspicious that something as simple and obvious as this appears to have been overlooked. A programmed sun tracking self focusing lens heating a steam turbine generator. Be a lot cheaper than solar panels. Every home should have one.
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Me and my mad uncle used to play around with heliostats years ago with the intention of maintaining the focused heat of a 11 inch magnifying glass. Are u aware of how many solar panels u would need to generate the same amount of energy as a focused 11 inch magnifying glass? LOL. Anyway gave up. Too hard. Lot easier with a parabolic collector but not as efficient or fun or downright brutal.
These days it should be real easy for a clued up programmer/robotics/electrical engineer type person/s etc..to figure out. I am sure NASA were capable of it in the sixties. Always been suspicious that something as simple and obvious as this appears to have been overlooked. A programmed sun tracking self focusing lens heating a steam turbine generator. Be a lot cheaper than solar panels. Every home should have one.
Think about that.. solar panels absorb an very little percentage of radiant energy released from sun.. and think about that .. isn't an case if all supplier use copper for absorb solar for heated water, maybe is possible create an new solar panel that absorb more of that energy..
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How is it KNOWN?
From observations of similar stars. Of course, no one can predict future. Ok, lets say not KNOWN but HIGHLY PROBABLE.

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A few billion years......
And why is that even a concern??
[..]
That post was just some facts to think about.

In general, skipping Sun as energy source is the last and highest target.

The easiest is to use Sun energy products, like oil or coal, wind or hydro energy etc.
Second step (a bit harder than the easiest) is to use Sun energy directly, as proposed in this tread.
Third would be to get the energy from the source itself (whatever it may be), bypassing Sun. This seems to be the hardest one, because science does not know how to do that.

For now, second step would be great for this world.
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Think about that.. solar panels absorb an very little percentage of radiant energy released from sun.. and think about that .. isn't an case if all supplier use copper for absorb solar for heated water, maybe is possible create an new solar panel that absorb more of that energy..
A 12 years old boy from Seattle Washington did build a better solar panel. In fact he won a Presidential Award for Science from George Bush in 2006.
The solar panel he built collected 98% all visible and invisible light, for conversion to energy.
To this date you cannot find one article that discusses it. I only know because the boy was on DC 101 (Radio) for a brief interview. I immediately went to look for info on it and never found none.
I have never found a resource for the the total amount of awards bush put out during his administration.

Its just gone, And probably was before the kid showed up to get his reward.


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A 12 years old boy from Seattle Washington did build a better solar panel. In fact he won a Presidential Award for Science from George Bush in 2006.
The solar panel he built collected 98% all visible and invisible light, for conversion to energy.
To this date you cannot find one article that discusses it. I only know because the boy was on DC 101 (Radio) for a brief interview. I immediately went to look for info on it and never found none.
I have never found a resource for the the total amount of awards bush put out during his administration.

Its just gone, And probably was before the kid showed up to get his reward.


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could this be the guy...
Oregon boy, 12, invents solar cell to help solve country's energy crisis | KOMO News - Breaking News, Sports, Traffic and Weather - Seattle, Washington | Local & Regional
Beaverton boy lauded for solar cell invention | KATU.com - Breaking News, Sports, Traffic and Weather - Portland, Oregon | Local & Regional
YouTube - 3D Solar Cell Invented Or Copied From Georgia Tech!?!
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Old 06-29-2010, 12:27 PM
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Ya that might be him.

Wheres the TECH????

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found this:
12 Year Old Boy Invents New Type of Solar Cell : CleanTechnica
the "global license" link is dead. I had to search hard to find this link:
3D Solar Cells Boost Efficiency While Reducing Size, Weight and Complexity of Photovoltaic Arrays | Georgia Tech Research Institute

Seems like front page stuff to me, not too difficult to manufacture in this day and age either.
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Ya that might be him.

Wheres the TECH????

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Abundance of info out there and patents to boot Matt. Not exactly something you can easily manufacture in your back garage though.
Nano-Manhattan: 3-D Solar Cell that Uses “Towers” to Boost Efficiency Wins International Patents | Georgia Tech Research Institute
PYRAMIDAL THREE-DIMENSIONAL THIN-FILM SOLAR CELLS - Patent application

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Abundance of info out there and patents to boot Matt. Not exactly something you can easily manufacture in your back garage though.
Nano-Manhattan: 3-D Solar Cell that Uses “Towers� to Boost Efficiency Wins International Patents | Georgia Tech Research Institute
PYRAMIDAL THREE-DIMENSIONAL THIN-FILM SOLAR CELLS - Patent application

Regards

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But see thats a different version. I am not talking about the ones that came out of the schools. I'm talking about the one the kid built.

If a kid build it in a middle school science lab, what the hell is wrong with industry in this country.

You see what I am getting at?? Where the kids tech at... Someone should fund that thing to the extreme and get it on market before the oil companies put a bullet in is head.

Its just frustrating when you know what has been built and you see what is for sale.

Just my little rant.

Even at the price though most state governments and the federal government have put programs in place to make solar more affordable. I have 8.55 kilowatts worth of panels and inverter and they will pay themselves off in 6 years at the rate we have been estimated to output. While paying taxes on my property from the overage.
So saying they are not viable based on cost is not a good argument anymore unless your in an unfortunate area.

@MINOLY
Thanks for finding that stuff. Alot of people laugh when I tell them that story with no proof. I guess I got the fact of it wrong, Blond Moment!!! LOL

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oh boy oh boy ...

tapping into the sun's energy is the easiest thing ever, as in E-V-E-R.
so easy that it is astonishing why people dont do that all over the world, simply astonishing.

we can receive the sun's energy even at night, ya, you read it right, at NIGHT.
direct light is not needed.

and guess what, the knowledge to do this is with us over 100 years.
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oh boy oh boy ...

tapping into the sun's energy is the easiest thing ever, as in E-V-E-R.
so easy that it is astonishing why people dont do that all over the world, simply astonishing.

we can receive the sun's energy even at night, ya, you read it right, at NIGHT.
direct light is not needed.

and guess what, the knowledge to do this is with us over 100 years.
Yes.. but you need right panel for extract energy by night
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But see thats a different version. I am not talking about the ones that came out of the schools. I'm talking about the one the kid built.

If a kid build it in a middle school science lab, what the hell is wrong with industry in this country.

You see what I am getting at?? Where the kids tech at... Someone should fund that thing to the extreme and get it on market before the oil companies put a bullet in is head.

Its just frustrating when you know what has been built and you see what is for sale.

Just my little rant.
I empathise with you here Matt.

Though if I remember rightly the kid did use 'carbon nanotubes', which seem a rather unlikely thing to find at a school. Certainly he is a bright kid, but he must have had help with funding and supplies. I mean you cant just pick up carbon nanotubes at RadioShack... can you?
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nop, you dont need any panel at all. no light whatsoever. nada.

all you need is a tunable LC circuit, some cap's for storage and some transformers.
the energy is delivered 24/7 nonstop in such amount that even a billionth captured will be more then enough for the average home.

winter/summer/day/night/whatver.

The Generation of Radio-Frequency Radiation in the Sun - 1948

Radio-Frequency Energy from the Sun - 1946

An Investigation of Radio-Frequency Radiation from the Sun - 1948

Radio Frequency Energy Concept - 2007

STUDY OF THE RADIO FREQUENCY SPECTRUM OF THE SUN - 1966

The Radio-Sun

and more, and more, and gazillion more ... it is all out there, energy as much as you can collect as much as you want/need/whatever.


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nop, you dont need any panel at all. no light whatsoever. nada.

all you need is a tunable LC circuit, some cap's for storage and some transformers.
the energy is delivered 24/7 nonstop in such amount that even a billionth captured will be more then enough for the average home.

winter/summer/day/night/whatver.

The Generation of Radio-Frequency Radiation in the Sun - 1948

Radio-Frequency Energy from the Sun - 1946

An Investigation of Radio-Frequency Radiation from the Sun - 1948

Radio Frequency Energy Concept - 2007

STUDY OF THE RADIO FREQUENCY SPECTRUM OF THE SUN - 1966

The Radio-Sun

and more, and more, and gazillion more ... it is all out there, energy as much as you can collect as much as you want/need/whatever.

and you can tune LC circui to catch it and use Tesla magnifying coil to enlarge it and displacement current to convert it into electric current of high frequency or low frequency as desired.Open path method.
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Cool. AgentA & Boguslaw. I like it. I think this explains the phantom voltage I sometimes get when playing with coils and caps. Do u guys have any suggestions on the easiest, simplest (complete with parts list) way to build a tunable LC to take advantage of this natural wonder? If u have, I will build one ASAP to your specs and post the pic of it WORKING on this thread. Lets do it.

Hey Matt. We got a Bedini Schoolgirl and now a Solar Schoolboy. LOL.
Hopefully his tech will surface soon. I like the part about 3D and pyramid shape.
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I second that...if you have a schematic for the tunable LC and associated parts needed to make a working device, I can help.
I will put one together and also will post pics/vids of it.
This is a great idea.
Lets make it work.
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