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DENIED. I resent the inference. You're attempting to put your words into my mouth. Those are your words. I never made the above statement that you are editorializing on.

I said in response to your statement of "A simple luxmeter measurement comparison test series as suggested on overunity would wipe away all doubt or someone closing the loop." that, and I quote myself here,



Now a word about evidence:



Then you proceed to quote the following members: Barotoulogos, Aether22, and E2Matrix. I have nothing against these members or what they say, but you quoting their opinions is not presenting evidence.

Good photos.. but you casn send me real informations ? IN /OUT ENERGY? Not number of ignited light bulb but REAL power wattage IN / power wattage OUT. Regards
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Good photos.. but you casn send me real informations ? IN /OUT ENERGY? Not number of ignited light bulb but REAL power wattage IN / power wattage OUT. Regards
I certainly cant.

But i can show you my 12V kapagen rep - im very pleased with how many bulbs its lighting. Dont know about ''free energy'' - will have to do some more tests

Do you have any results you wish to share?

YouTube - 12V-kapagen.flv
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I agree with you, but look is possible use a rated fuse to proof. if is burned then the power input is higher or not?
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And the semantics continue.

Being that the output devices are all in series and most of these replications are using resistance lamps, all we need is a high current shunt installed at the end of the line between the devices and the ground connection. Before powering the system, get a resistance reading of the entire string of lights and the shunt (it will be necessary to use lamps with elements; not lamps that ionize gas for conduction). Once the system is powered, use an oscilloscope to get a voltage and frequency reading across the shunt (measured on the end of the shunt closest to the lamps). Being that it's a series circuit, the voltage at the head of the shunt will have been divided down to a level the oscope should be able to handle. Once you have the voltage, you can calculate the current across the shunt which is the same current for the entire string of lamps. Once you have current, you can get your power out.

Now can we get back to the main topic?
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I certainly cant.

But i can show you my 12V kapagen rep - im very pleased with how many bulbs its lighting. Dont know about ''free energy'' - will have to do some more tests

Do you have any results you wish to share?

YouTube - 12V-kapagen.flv
12V??? All black and is impossible see nothing of circuit used. If you touch wires you have a shock?? At this time any news.. maybe in the next days..
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my circuit is the same as J L Naudins circuit. But with the following exceptions:


a) 24/80/6 turn coil.

b) No MOT (or steel plate under it). No NST. No Mains. Just a 12V (7ah) battery powering a 25kv power supply. Im guessing its drawing about half an amp at 12V....6W...but maybe less. Any ideas on how i measure consumption....spark gap plays havoc with my multimetre

c) I use an iron rod which goes through the centre of my PVC (Naudin uses thick strands of wire)

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Sorry about the poor quality of my video! I certainly do get shocks...look at 1.05 in the video. That packed quite a punch!
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my circuit is the same as J L Naudins circuit. But with the following exceptions:


a) 24/80/6 turn coil.

b) No MOT (or steel plate under it). No NST. No Mains. Just a 12V (7ah) battery powering a 25kv power supply. Im guessing its drawing about half an amp at 12V....6W...but maybe less. Any ideas on how i measure consumption....spark gap plays havoc with my multimetre

c) I use an iron rod which goes through the centre of my PVC (Naudin uses thick strands of wire)

see photos below....

Sorry about the poor quality of my video! I certainly do get shocks...look at 1.05 in the video. That packed quite a punch!
I like the power supply you have and I think people need to work toward that to power this type of setup but is it lighting much wattage in tungsten filament lighting or is it primarily being used on the CFL's I see in the pic? As we know it doesn't take much to light some CFL's since Joule thief circuits have been doing that quite well. Are you using the two grounds for this also?
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Kapagen : JLN v3.3 : PlasmaCloud Spark Gap

JLN is using different spark gap points. The one on the left looks like it is made of iron. The one on the right appears to be copper.



After about 15 seconds, the tip of iron point to the left of the plasma field appears to be starting to change color from heating.



Also, JLN notes that his input power input requirement has decreased to about 150 Watts in order to operate fourteen 150 Watt halogen bulbs.


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I like the power supply you have and I think people need to work toward that to power this type of setup but is it lighting much wattage in tungsten filament lighting or is it primarily being used on the CFL's I see in the pic? As we know it doesn't take much to light some CFL's since Joule thief circuits have been doing that quite well. Are you using the two grounds for this also?
Ive managed to get 2 filaments glowing, but i cant really say the bulbs are even half lit Im honest about these things. No FE....yet.....Just lots of CFLs off a 12V battery

Yes - 2 grounds. It doesnt work with only 1.

I tried first with my NST and got 3 filament bulbs well lit. Ill be doing some more NST work at some point, but for the moment i wanna try and keep at it with the 12V battery. I agree that without getting at least one 40 W bulb lit it looks like a fun experiment, but not much more. But im gonna get that 40W bulb lit by trying the following changes

a) Spark gap. I think JL Naudin is using carbon and copper. I want to try the same, and perhaps some other variations....maybe even a bit of quenching and cooling...well see.

b) Various ground locations and ground materials.....might even be worth trying a few buried coils.....again, well see.

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But im gonna get that 40W bulb lit by trying the following changes

a) Spark gap. I think JL Naudin is using carbon and copper. I want to try the same, and perhaps some other variations....maybe even a bit of quenching and cooling...well see.

Good luck everyone
I think both sides of the JLN spark gap are copper rivets it's just that one of them has carbonized or sooted up from the reaction...
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Also, JLN notes that his input power input requirement has decreased to about 150 Watts in order to operate fourteen 150 Watt halogen bulbs.


ARC GAP is primitive method for increase frequency into process and for agitated the electrons .. can anyone ask me if touching Kapagen output you obtain an shock? Tesla have started study ARC GAP and after have start test on aluminum transmutation.. WHY THAT?? probably because arc spark isn't suffiecient for obtain more output power electrical energy .. Regards
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I think both sides of the JLN spark gap are copper rivets it's just that one of them has carbonized or sooted up from the reaction...
Probably because COPPER is an vector for RADIANT ENERGY!!
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Post Kapagen : TomB455 Version : The Deadly Kapagen



Schematic based on Diagram Below.



Disclaimer: For Informational and Educational Purposes Only. Use at Your Own Risk.

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Method for determinating Kapagen Power Input

@everybody

This gadget uses a 2100 volts X 1.1uf capacitor then:

Maybe hooking up a scope on the output WITH HV VOLTAGE CLIPS., is possible determinate the frequency.

J=VxVxC

J=2100x2100x0,0000011
J= 4,851 Watts / second


If the input can be adjusted at 50 hz for example:

Input = 242,55 Watts.

OK this is the worst scenario, because the cap need to be discharged totally and this is not possible by the GAP so I think Naudins measurements are correct this gadget is OU. Juju experiment shows a frequency near to be equal to 50 hertz because his FAN tried to spin well.
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Arrow Kapagen : Really Cool Video showing Kapagen Schematic

YouTube - The Deadly Kapagen

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OU? sory but you cannot say that before you test this deep! i dont see OU anyware! dont want to desapoint anyone but...

Im actually driving lamps of (from the mains grid):

100W (220 V AC x 0.455A) with ----> 13,37W (91V DC x 0.147A)

60W (220V AC x 0.275A) with ----> 9.46W (91V DC x 0.104A)

25W (220V AC x 0.112A with ----> 4.95W (91 DC x 0.045A)


and my fan did not speen well, maybe near 1/4, 1/5 the velocity compared if connected to the grid!

YouTube - kapagen solved.avi

this means that with an input power of 180W/16, you can easily light lamps quite bright with just 11.25W output each!

im using a 1N5408 (Half DC Rect.) and a 20W 300OhmJ resistance in series with load!

at the end of the video i show a 25W bulb lightning is filements with just 30VAC and a few miliAmps!

all the 555 timer circuits of 50Hz that i tryed with my step up transformer will not give me 220V output onload!

anyone have one that would work with my setup and could share?

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I agree with you, but look is possible use a rated fuse to proof. if is burned then the power input is higher or not?
Hey, thats a fairly simple way it may be able to be done
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i have seen 2 or 3 videos were the guys turn OFF the light from the room, and let just the MOT LOAD and it is still dark , in some examples running 10 lamps... when they turn ON the light from the grid, then you see that one only lamp, will be morepowerfull that 10lamps together!

i made that test, and i say again.. unless we found a away of maintaining voltage and rising current, we are in a hole!

ps: i forgot to say... in my experiment, the lamps were a little bit more brighter then in my KAPAGEN setup!



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Some way of comparing your light output must be established, and it MUST stand up against the same lamp driven at its standard rating. Comparisons made against the same lamp running off the wall is a good start. If one light powered from the wall outlet illuminates a certain space to a certain degree then that would be used as your control group, and compared to an identical light driven off the Kapagen. If they are very similar then the design is indeed providing results and has merit in my book, regardless of what current and voltage is "measured." A quick and dirty test would be to see if the same amount of light could be obtained by driving the same load (series connected lights) directly off the wall at the same input power/amperage closed loop. If it cant, then there IS something going on in your device, yeah?

Ive noticed that alot of these videos are done in the day time, which makes it difficult to determine just how bright the light is, and lets face it, its no use running it in the middle of the day if you are just powering lights

Set it up in the dark, focus your camera away from the lights and show us how well it lights up a given space.
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Good advice!

I've already mentioned in post 37 that i ALWAYS get a shock off the output of my low power 12 V kapagen. And it hurts. If i use my NST i'm not brave enough to walk within a metre of any output wires. And if you are using a MOT......

Value your lives gentlemen...you are no good to anyone dead. Want to play with the output of a kapagen, then build a 12V one.
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tutanka, this is not a toy this thing can fry human beings!
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tutanka, this is not a toy this thing can fry human beings!

You have a toy.. Explain me as work really that Kapagen.. Im sure that you can't answer me.. What is in fact?? Maybe an Electron sucking pump? The MOT energize earth and excited the electrons that are asborbed and amplifier from coil?? IF YOU TOUCH COIL OUTPUT YOU OBTAIN AN SHOCK?? Anything have reply me.. Im not an copier and first to build any device I need to know the working principle.. Anyone can reply me??
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Good advice!

I've already mentioned in post 37 that i ALWAYS get a shock off the output of my low power 12 V kapagen. And it hurts. If i use my NST i'm not brave enough to walk within a metre of any output wires. And if you are using a MOT......

Value your lives gentlemen...you are no good to anyone dead. Want to play with the output of a kapagen, then build a 12V one.
If you obtain an shock your device don't released RADIANT ENERGY!!! Maybe is only an simple electron amplifier.
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i know i am fu***** boring but this is the translation of the song, for the ones that might want to know, it haves some connections

Romance Captain

i will not search for who i wait for
if what i want is navigate
by the size of the waves
I'm not counting comming back

delivery towards the spring
that have hided in my deep
forget all that I am able
Today I am the sea

expect me waves that persist
that never stop beating
expect me men who quit
before dying

for wanting more than life
I am the shadow of who I am
and at the end does not touch anything
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I saw ...
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I go towards the wonder
Towards the pain there is to come
if I find an island
I stop to feel
and give meaning to the journey
to feel that I am able
if my heart says courage
I again depart in peace

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You have a toy.. Explain me as work really that Kapagen.. Im sure that you can't answer me.. What is in fact?? Maybe an Electron sucking pump? The MOT energize earth and excited the electrons that are asborbed and amplifier from coil?? IF YOU TOUCH COIL OUTPUT YOU OBTAIN AN SHOCK?? Anything have reply me.. Im not an copier and first to build any device I need to know the working principle.. Anyone can reply me??
of course you get a shock, and a big one...

i am not going to put the hands there to prove it to you, if is that u r expecting

imagine 10 times the voltage from the grid that allready byted me some times, and shore that is not cool!

i had some problems before putting the plastic base down my coil... if the coil in same case touch the ground you will see some interesting fryed wire effects!



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you have not read my posts? there's no gain in this setup, but im accepting evidence... prove me wrong!
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of course you get a shock, and a big one...

i am not going to put the hands there to prove it to you, if is that u r expecting

imagine 10 times the voltage from the grid that allready byted me some times, and shore that is not cool!

i had some problems before putting the plastic base down my coil... if the coil in same case touch the ground you will see some interesting fryed wire effects!





you have not read my posts? there's no gain in this setup, but im accepting evidence... prove me wrong!

NO sorry.. no more time for read Km of words.. for me is better an little diagram that more words.. See my drawing.. is correct for you???
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Hello Young Minds... I have only an little update for you...


Why Jean use CARBON/COPPER ELECTRODES trought GATE??


Some of you reply .. Jean use carbon because resist to high temps and is good for ARC discharges but isn't th only reason. Him want explore an other "world".

However you know that....

Carbon , symbol C= atmic number 6
Copper, symbol CU= atomic number 29

Now.. you know anything about transmutation?? No.. ok.. I explain you...

Alpha bombardment (created on GATE) of any element with atomic number from 1 trought 15 will generate a new and stable element that will release one excess neutron from the reaction.

Neutron bombardment of any stable element from 16 and above will generate a new and unstable element by capturing neutrons. One of more neutrons are released from the reaction. The targeted element will gain the weight of absorbed neutrons.

Neutron bombardment of an unstable element generate one helium-4 atom from each reaction. The atomic weight of a targeted element looses the weight of one helium-4 atom as a result of the reaction

Now you understand why Jean use these elements??
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Now.. you know anything about transmutation?? No.. ok.. I explain you...
What would I do without an expert like you to explain transmutation to me, eh? I'm so lucky to have someone willing to walk a novice like myself through atomic theory. How can I ever repay you?

Just dont ask me to touch my output - how about building one yourself with the most powerful MOT you can find, grab the output with both hands, and have a friend put it on youtube for us??

Lead by example, thats what i always tell my students!

My advice to ANYONE else on this site is DONT TOUCH THE OUTPUT, (unless the input is a 12 V and low amps...in any case...if you touch it, ill doubt you'll be touching it again.....)
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You have a toy.. Explain me as work really that Kapagen.. Im sure that you can't answer me.. What is in fact?? Maybe an Electron sucking pump? The MOT energize earth and excited the electrons that are asborbed and amplifier from coil?? IF YOU TOUCH COIL OUTPUT YOU OBTAIN AN SHOCK?? Anything have reply me.. Im not an copier and first to build any device I need to know the working principle.. Anyone can reply me??
Im sorry - i dont know what a Kapagen really is, or how it works...but ive built one. Where is your youtube video explaining how you built yours, where the free energy comes from, and demonstration of the clear OU effect???

Havent got one? Perhaps thats because you dont understand it?
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Im sorry - i dont know what a Kapagen really is, or how it works...but ive built one. Where is your youtube video explaining how you built yours, where the free energy comes from, and demonstration of the clear OU effect???

Havent got one? Perhaps thats because you dont understand it?
Isn't important post videos if first you don't understand working principle.. I can send you video or photos of my system but Im not an copier as you, however my system is completely different also if I use transmutation inside. I remember you that this forum is open for help and not for create discussions.. I have just send you informations.. if you want acquire these info its' ok .. if not for me is the same..
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