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Old 05-24-2010, 06:17 PM
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my smith kanapadz replication

hello

many of us is trying to replicate smith or kanapadz devices simpy by copying them, well not that simply after all so i came to idea to figure out it myself how can this device work and it got me to this



before you scream its not working let me explain

ok so high voltage 3 is deliveredd to capacitor plate once positive once negative which induces in second plate of capacitor opposed charge wich flow thru transformer cousing current in secondary 6

also capacitor "working" plate is discharged in between the phases and collected by secondary 5 to reduce loses

you may say its not much power because of the area of capacitor is small !!!

yes but when you get whole process to kHz range you multiply output!!!

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Old 05-24-2010, 06:52 PM
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Have you or are you intending to actually build that?

I have experimented with a similar set-up, where the spark would
occur on the other side of the plate and go to ground, but no power
could be extracted that way.

Excuse the question, but can you point out a specific device that Don Smith built that features a capacitor plate that gets hit with a spark?
I am aware of his public demo with the 2 plates, but never seen a practical device.
While we are at it, can you point out the Kapanadze device where that happens ?
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Old 05-24-2010, 07:30 PM
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The idea behind Dom Smith ,Kapanadze and other similar devices is well hidden.
However I'm quite sure that this idea is devastating simple : lenz law is eliminated by forcing external power source to generate output instead of initial power source !
It's something you see when you expend energy to turn on the electric switch and light goes on , but surely energy for lighting is not taken from your hand

Now if initial energy flow is going outside the circuit and it's wasted (your hand energy) , other energy is going into circuit and is accumulating, that's why you see a spike.
It is that fast, but if you find a way to slow it down and catch many times during the energy passage to the center you can extract free energy from external source without absorbing original energy source (which is acting like a switch only).Prepare to find energy flowing INTO the circuit , all rest is just how fast you can replicate that catching process and how much energy of original impulse you can put into circuit.
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i have found this..






Resultados da pesquisa de http://peswiki.com/images/c/cb/Kapanadze_generator_possible_circuit_Frolov_Korets ky-comments_600.gif no Google

what do you guys think of this? its possible?
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Old 05-24-2010, 08:13 PM
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From what I heard from my friends who are working on this, this is definitely NOT stealing. 50/60Hz is just so that you can operate your household devices and not because of the frequency the power lines work at.
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If you don´t have a closed path, then how can you "steal" anything.
Smith sais the ground is not needed, you can "ground" your circuit into the air.

Even if your circuit is grounded you would have to be in the near-field to theoretically couple to the fields of the transmission line.
In the far field no EM coupling is possible.

But the whole issue about "Kapanadze stealing from the power lines" is
an easy effort to explain his devices or disinformation.

The easiest experiment (what Jetis indicated) would be to just run your circuit at 333 Hz and then find the sceptic that can explain you how you managed to couple to 50/60 Hz
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Old 05-25-2010, 12:13 AM
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ok!

im with you guys, lets try to replicate this!


how do you think this device work? we know that it haves a transformer, a Joule thief kind, spark gap, etc, but how they interact?

they show a 12V battery to start the device, maybe only to exite the "radiant energy" and set the frequency of the environment... and then they remove it.

and what do you think of the earth ground, is used as an "earth battery" to start the device, or is only to discharge the energy? i think it can be removed to, after the device is self running for what i have seen...


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The idea behind Dom Smith ,Kapanadze and other similar devices is well hidden.
However I'm quite sure that this idea is devastating simple : lenz law is eliminated by forcing external power source to generate output instead of initial power source !
It's something you see when you expend energy to turn on the electric switch and light goes on , but surely energy for lighting is not taken from your hand

Now if initial energy flow is going outside the circuit and it's wasted (your hand energy) , other energy is going into circuit and is accumulating, that's why you see a spike.
It is that fast, but if you find a way to slow it down and catch many times during the energy passage to the center you can extract free energy from external source without absorbing original energy source (which is acting like a switch only).Prepare to find energy flowing INTO the circuit , all rest is just how fast you can replicate that catching process and how much energy of original impulse you can put into circuit.

My guess is: primary (and secondary?) wound in 2 equal parts, opposite direction.
TESLA

Bucking magnetic field prevents current from manifesting in primary, but it shows up in the secondary.

I think the property exhibited by such a coil should be called "Negative Self Induction"
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how do you think this device work? we know that it haves a transformer, a Joule thief kind, spark gap, etc, but how they interact?
No Joule thief here.

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they show a 12V battery to start the device, maybe only to exite the "radiant energy" and set the frequency of the environment... and then they remove it.
Where in the illustration or wojsciech´s description does it say that the battery is removed?

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and what do you think of the earth ground, is used as an "earth battery" to start the device, or is only to discharge the energy? i think it can be removed to, after the device is self running for what i have seen...
The earth ground is used to complete the path for the 2nd circuit, so that the charges can flow down from the right capacitor plate to the lowest potential (being the earth).
Thats the whole concept behind it and it´s the only OU viable concept.
Two unconnected circuits with the 2nd one being the energy collection circuit.

(Except for part 4 and 5) i have experimented with that and there is
no huge energy gain or anything like that in the secondary circuit to ground.

After all where should that come from?
At what point is something majorly amplified here?
In the arc? If so then every spark gap would exhibit that behaviour.
I am sure wojsciech is expecting this to happen somewhere in his circuit suggestion.
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Old 05-25-2010, 11:28 AM
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option wthout capacitor (just like it would matter)

charging by induction is the key
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Old 05-25-2010, 11:50 AM
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You are aware of that Kapanadze and Smith are heavily associated with self-running overunity devices that produce many times more energy than is being used to power the devices, because the thread title you chose is related to those inventors?
Could you be so kind to point out how exactly do you expect this to be anything highly overunity?
If you just intend to demonstrate an underunity charging by induction, then
forgive me, i was being mislead by your thread title then.
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Old 05-25-2010, 12:10 PM
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maybe youre right!!!!

maybe youre not!!! time will tell...

as far as i have seen they light up few light bulbs by just using groung

well lets try to replicate this, then we will try to make more!!!

what i suggest is to look at the electric field lines in wire and what they create in coil? maybe putting ground wire in center of coil have something to do?? when we create current by using magnets we only push/pull only one electron at outer shell maybe with enought electric field in center of coil we can push/pull more electrons from single atom?

imagine that with electric field you excite atom , electrons move to a higher orbit and instead of moving one electron you move 18 electrons that are in m shell? sci-fi? maybe, untill is proven!!!

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Old 05-25-2010, 12:48 PM
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as far as i have seen they light up few light bulbs by just using groung
Okay, best of luck for your ground experiments then.

P.S.: Couldn´t hurt to read this : Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze

There is many replication efforts currently going on, which are pointed to in that thread.
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Old 05-25-2010, 02:04 PM
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Where in the illustration or wojsciech´s description does it say that the battery is removed?
i dont see any battery in woshiesh diagram... i even dont understand it very well.. i was talking about the videos of kapanadze in youtube... they show a 12V battery to start the device...

that plates you are talking about are like a batery? im not getting there, sory!

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Old 05-27-2010, 10:14 AM
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hello

this is my latest setup



plate 1 recive positive charge from power sorce so we have excess of proton (less electrons then protons) so in plates 2 extra electrons are induced from groung to balance it(just like in video charging by induction) so plates 2 have excess electrons so negative charge and it induces positive charge in plates 3 by getting some from the groung (if you connect it to ground 7) or (you can connect plate 2 and 3 and put load at this connection 8) and so on you can put many plates like this.... Smith says about 11 in his video

so basicly you charge one plate at charge Q1 and have discharge and discharge 8 in this example and each have Q1 charge minus losses for insulator because charges gets smaller by distance to squere

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Old 05-27-2010, 10:29 AM
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Cool, so what are your measurements on your latest setup?
Do you indeed get multiple times more out than you put in?
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Old 05-27-2010, 10:37 AM
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well

my hv power supply makes arroung 4kv so i hooked up 10x 400uf 400v capacitors in series 4kv+ side and pos cap and neg side groung and in 4 sec i have it charged at max and my power supply is not capable of charging so many caps in so short time so i think it came from groung, so now im building load 8 just like in previest post to step it down and mesure....

and next thing is to find what material sould i use to build good capacitors, here is good site about mesuring capicitance
HyperPhysics and whats important is the isolator you have between thats the k factor Dielectric Constants
i think i have to start to search for good quality glass for capacitors...

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Old 05-27-2010, 11:37 AM
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Glass is good. I took a PVC like artificial glass.
You will have to invest a lot into the plates. Metal is expensive.
The whole thing is a trade off. If your dielectric is too thick you will have a low capacitance, if it is too thin, the Hv might break through.
Since you can´t roll the plates, you will need huge plates to reach a decent capacitance.
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Old 05-28-2010, 08:17 AM
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ok i did some calculation for setup jusl like in post #15

and capacitor 50cm x 50 cm will give us C= 0.0123956 uf = 0.0000000123956 F

and store energy of W=0.5 x C x Vsq

since system will operate at 30000 V energy stored will be 5,57802 J at 1 hz

since system will operate at 20000hz output will be 5,57802 x 20000 =111560 J/s=111560W

since in our system we form 4 capacitors it sould give 4x 111560=446240W

let say that 30% goes to loses we have 312000w =312kW

well im not quiet sure about Smiths calculation because hes work calculation looks like this

W=0.5 x C x Vsq x Hzsq

well i cant find any website to confirm that the but logic says just Hz not squere

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Old 05-28-2010, 08:28 AM
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ps.
maybe he calculated this squere because 20000Hz he is a charging and discharging capacitor so every herz we have electrons going in and out !! that make sens so this way the output have to be multiplyied by 20000!!

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Old 05-28-2010, 10:37 AM
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ok i have asked my freind electrician and this calculation are correct BUT!!!

as a energy generetad we have to use DISPLACMENT OF ELECTRONS OR CHARGE DISPLACEMENT !!!! caused by hv pulse in plate 1 and then multiplie by number of plates minus loses

what ever i calculated is for capacitor charging and discharging that can be use but in DIFFERENT SETUP.....

ok so now im digging how to calculate the displacment charge!!!

cheers and sorry for misinformation

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soory stupid idea....

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hello

i came to this:

ok when we put magnet to coil we swing electrons so they swing and produce electricity right? just like here


and that is what Kapanadz i think is doing :


so besicaly he have transformer 12v to 12v but with this extra kick of positive or negative potential he swing electrons even more so the output is 240v

because electron is a negatively charged particle so it will be atracted to positive potential(positive charge)

if you notice in many videos that amp in = amp out so just voltage is amplified

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Old 06-01-2010, 12:21 PM
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Simple OU concept device :

charge many capacitors in series then discharge them in parallel.
There is small energy gain here. Then invent a positive feedback loop : put put output into charging device to charge capacitors faster or to higher energy.
Observe how device destroys itself soon.

Anyone willing to build prototype and make a show ?
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Simple OU concept device :

charge many capacitors in series then discharge them in parallel.
It would be quite a mess of wires and a complex circuit to realize the switching arrangement, but it would probably get you a COP of marginally more than 1.
I guess what wojwrobel is after is many times that COP.

@wojwrobel:
What you are showing is very simplified, the electrons are also submitted to the forces emerging from the induction: Loading a transformer makes the secondary influence the primary.
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well i dont think it need many wires , you just have to use good IC
something like in picture


"What you are showing is very simplified, the electrons are also submitted to the forces emerging from the induction: Loading a transformer makes the secondary influence the primary."

yes thats correct but since you pump dc pulses thru primery windings it dont really mater, each puls deliveres same amount of current.... no mater if there is core or no core or secondary influence...

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wojsciech:
Boguslaw was talking about capacitors not inductors.
And in order to first line up a number n of capacitors to be in series to a power source and then reconfigure their interconnection to be parallel via switches (MOSFETS etc.) DOES necessitate a complex routing matrix and many MOSFETs and possibly drivers.

In the diagram you posted there is no advantage to that set-up than if you would just send the pulse through one transformer only.
You parallel the signal into two branches thereby the current also splits up into the two branches. This will result in half the magnetic flux in both transformers than you would get if you had not split the signal and just sent it with one branch into a transformer.
When you combine the signal in the end it is two halves combined to one.
No gain, instead you even lost energy due to the fact that the coupling k is always lower than 1.

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yes thats correct but since you pump dc pulses thru primery windings it dont really mater, each puls deliveres same amount of current.... no mater if there is core or no core or secondary influence...
Oh it does matter.
A transformer secondary coil "sees" the change in current, so pulsed DC is a change in current (direction) di/dt at the flanks and will result in oppositely oriented currents at the moment of the flanks (counter-electromotive force , Lenz Law)
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Lol i have built Tesla Switches myself, thanks for the hint though.
But that does not use n capacitors (as in more than 4, if even most guys use batteries and thats something else)
Boguslav was probably hinting to the young effect, that might get stronger with a high number of caps.
But that should be discussed not here, as this is wojwrobel´s thread.
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ehhh... don't mess with Tesla switch - Tesla switch is nothing to doo witk Kapanadze device.

Some things:
Parametric resonanse in tesla coil, so... it is little bit confusing to explain, but see what Don Smith are done in his coil - it is wind on right way, only one thing is missing there - "Core" you need ferrite or iron core and right HV transformer and find the frequency by adjusting spark gap.

Thats for today and good luck
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Parametric resonanse in tesla coil, so
So anyone who created a simple parametric resonance in a Tesla coil should have received free energy in the kilowatt range ???
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