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Old 06-24-2010, 11:39 PM
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Im trying the same juju - i wanna see filament bulbs of 75 watt lighting off my twelve volt battery, and to do that i need current. And i aint getting enough (yet).

I cant help but think the spark gap is the most important thing in this circuit (naudin claims the fine tuning to a plasma cloud increases efficiency) - the rest we should just see as a hairpin grounded on both sides. I noticed that my CFLs worked much better when they also had a spark gap next to them...but not only the CFLs. the filament bulbs would get going if they had a nicely tuned spark gap next to them too......

I might add a few spark gaps if i get the opportiunity to do more testing tomorrow night.

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Here is a circuit that will light higher voltage bulbs with battery voltage. Wind the coil with enough turns to produce a HV back emf yet allow the same current you need for the bulb to travel through the circuit or slightly higher. It's not overunity by any means but you can light the bulb just as if you were using an inverter.... If you add a parallel cap to the inductor to make a resonant circuit ( LCR ) you'll actually use less energy to light the bulb than normall needed. Part of the energy is recycled....
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thanks for the circuit dragon...

but that way you will be drawing a lot of current to the bulb!

i think the purpose of this experiment, is to compare this:

- brightness power of a bulb in standard 220V AC with limited current! and for that i will try a step down transformer reversed! (then we can try a spark gap HF at the secondary transformer coil to), so the current at the bulb will be limited!

- brighness power of a bulb with HF AC after SG and TC (small current)

anyways, anyone can help with the 50hz pulse timer circuit?

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Old 06-25-2010, 01:47 AM
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Arrow Needed Datasheet for KT828A Transistor

Can anybody find a Datasheet for KT828A Transistor and post a link to it here. I searched for it on Google but couldn't find it.
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Old 06-25-2010, 02:12 AM
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Arrow Wiring of the SR193 Modulator Amplifier Module

I am wondering if SR193 wired the Modulator Amplifier Module in the following way?



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Old 06-25-2010, 02:16 AM
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BU126 Si npn 30W 750V 300V - 3A 125>C 4MHz - 15/60 MUL TO3 RHS BU326 2N5157 KT828A

BU126A Si npn 30W 700V 250V - 3A 125>C 4MHz - 15/60 MUL TO3 RHS BU926 2N5157 KT828A

BU126S Si npn 30W 800V 350V - 6A 125>C 4MHz - 15/60 SIE TO3 RHE BU926 2N5157 KT828A

BU126T Si npn 30W 800V 375V - 6A 125>C 4MHz - 15/60 STE TO3 RHE BU926 2N5157 KT828A
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Using my sources on my local distributor he suggested me american equivalence to KT828A is Bu326

By is strange the socket is high power.
http://www.datasheetcatalog.org/data...boca/BU326.pdf.

Hmmm in my concept MJ21194 is far superior....

Hey only choose the type with complementary versions NPN & PNP this is important for H-Bridge, the schematic clearly shows a Half H Bridge. I would like to see scope shopts on that circuit because is possible that circuit be able to generate Sine Wave.

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Arrow Obtain Current by the Winding Configuration

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maybe there's a different type of energy arround that can light bulbs, but is useless with devices that need current (normal energy)!
I remember seeing a video by Don L. Smith (1996 Tesla Symposium, Part 1, at 6:30 in the video track) wherein he talks about how current can be derived from the coil winding configuration. He says, "There are many ways to wind coils. You can wind them where they have voltage only, or where you have very little amperage, or where you have one hundred percent amperage and very little voltage. The way the you wind them determines what you get. It has nothing to do at all with the fact with what you are putting in is, say, strict voltage to begin with. It's going to come out after it goes through a certain type of coil system, and with this center ground thing here, you are guaranteed that you're going to get amperage."

Later, in another video, (I don't recall which one.) he shows Tesla's way of obtaining current, and Smith talks about Tesla's patent.



Notice how at point x the winding reverses direction. According to Smith, this is how the current is obtained.

You can use this method to produce high voltage and high current, according to Smith. Here he is rectifying the output, replacing H in the patent with a rectifier and is obtaining DC. Reference: Resonance Energy Methods by Don L. Smith, Page 3 -22.



And if you want to produce a really huge amount of current, then use this type of winding:



See where the blue square is? Notice how point x is at the bottom of the coil. Notice winding M and M'. This type of winding will give you a huge amount of current, according to Smith.

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Old 06-25-2010, 03:24 AM
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I'm just wondering about the pin layout on the KT828A.

Is it in the following order? From left to right, is it Base, Collector, Emitter like the KT829A.

If that's the case, then I'm wondering why the colors of the wires don't match up unless SR193 just mixed up the colors of the wires.

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Old 06-25-2010, 03:49 AM
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I am wondering if SR193 wired the Modulator Amplifier Module in the following way?



Just build a push-pull class AB inverter. Period. Itīs what he is doing.
Nothing magic about it.
He did not mix up any colors, there is transistors who have a BCE pinout and there is some who have a ECB pinout.
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He did not mix up any colors, there is transistors who have a BCE pinout and there is some who have a ECB pinout.
Thanks, Xenomorph.

Do you know if the KT828A has a ECB pinout configuration?

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Arrow Voltage & High Amperage from Coil Winding According to Don L. Smith

I thought this might be useful here. Don L. Smith breaks down how voltage and current is obtained by how the coil is wound, according to Tesla. Reference: Page 40 of Don L. Smith's Resonance Energy Methods and Donald L. Smith 1996 Tesla Symposium, Part 11, track 1:10/9:08.



Another thing I found interesting is Smith's statement that the energy level is a function of frequency. In other words, the higher the frequency, the higher the energy level.

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Old 06-25-2010, 04:48 AM
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Arrow Just Trying to Get the SR193 Modulator Amplifier Module Correct

So if the KT828A has a ECB pinout, I imagine this would be a possible schematic/wiring diagram.



(From the data sheet, we see that the KT829A has a BCE pinout.)

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Arrow SR193 Frequency Generator Module

Moving back to the Frequency Generator now. Can anybody tell me why can not a square wave be used instead of a sine wave? Doesn't a square wave have more power? Why is having a sine wave so important? I just don't understand.

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Arrow SR193 Frequency Generator Module Wiring Diagram, v4





I missed that one small detail. Now that it is updated. I can move on.

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Old 06-25-2010, 06:32 AM
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Probably it will clarify things if we go indeed back to the tesla hairpin circuit.
This is a method to create a standing wave in a resonating circuit. By doing this we physically create NODES where the voltage is separated from the current component. If a lamp is connected to the hairpin in the current node it will light up. And burn underwater, a 100W halogen burner will run on hair thin wires that would normally burn up in a second. Clearly this is not normal electricity. If it is an RF effect-could it light a filament? Is this the so called radiant energy?
So far the discussion goes into several directions:
1. Air core for the coil? Or copper rod? Or ferrite rings?
2. What does the ground connection do?
3. What is the nature of the energy on the output?
Lack of experimentation with currents of High frequency can lead to think them as magical or "radiant" since it has become a catchy word.

Regarding Tesla's hairpin circuit, that has some striking resemblence with a Tesla coil primary we are dealing first with a typical LC oscillation (say 500Khz) and a superimposed much higher frequency oscillation that creates nodes on the "hairpin"

The reason, halogen lamps are used instead of common incadescence is because they can tolarate much more RF+ spikes and light normaly.

Conerning the light bulb under-water, it is a bahaviour of HF current also. YOU must bear in mind HF current s behaviour is radically different that low frequency or direct ones.

Concerning the "hair" thin wire, if you have ever made fuses of your own, you should know that a typical hair-like copper wire can be used up to 2-10 amps fusing.
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I undestand that most newcomers in the field are attracted by the fascinating aspect of novel for them phenomena. Upon this fact, a LOT of merachants have made big business... just to know.

Best way IMO is to experiment with what you regard as weird, make observations, seek knowledge and proceed.


ps: The bulb in the tap water is 40w halogen lit by a Kacher run at 500Khz (more or less) and not hairpin circuit.
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Arrow The KT828A Versus the KT829A

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Hi,

I joint here the datasheet of KT828A and a Cross reference of some Russian transistors
Thank you, Luno, for the Datasheet for the KT828A.



Interesting..

But I don't understand. The KT829A (pictured below) doesn't look anything like the KT828A pictured above.





Can somebody help me out? That is, to help me understand.

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So the KT828B is pictured below.



I suppose that one could deduce that the KT828A could possibly look like a KT829A, but it is nice to have proof. I would like to see a picture of a KT828A.

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The schematic is old and is allegedly by someone called Crazy-Alex.
It is NOT a Kapanadze schematic, but is an attempt to interpret the device and circuitry of a replikator called SR.

Chip you are referring to is not 555.
It is russian chip called к561лн2 which is Hex Inverting Buffer,
you can buy here : Купить Микросхема К561ЛН2

Datasheet:
http://radio-hobby.org/uploads/datasheets/k/k561ln2.pdf

Oscillator block generates distorted sine , relatively inefficient way to shape inverter waveform closer to sine IMHO.
I can only base that on simulations, maybe scoped it looks better ...

This seems to me to have actually not much to do with Kapanadze, i am more and more thinking that it is actually working on a different principle
(ferromagnetic effect).

Rough simulation represents this waveform:



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Trying to figure out this Frequency Generator Module of the Alex Schematic of the SR193 Replication.

Help!

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@vidbid:

I have a pair that has the same pinout, but SRīs has a pair with opposite pinout.



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You can take ANY power darlington that is in that spec range.
Doesnīt need to be KT828A.



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Trying to figure out this Frequency Generator Module of the Alex Schematic of the SR193 Replication.
And what exactly is it that you need help with this module?

Maybe a good idea would be to google for "inverter circuits", to familiarize yourself with the different methods to realize an inverter.
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Thanks, Luno.

For those interested, here is the English translation, according to Google Translate. KT828A Data Sheet

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Arrow The NPN Transistor in the SR193 Can Not Be A KT828A

The NPN transistor pictured below can not be a KT828A as the case is not that of a KT828A.



This is what the case of a KT828A looks like:


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Arrow New Wiring Diagram for SR193 Modulator Amplifier Module



What is the model number for the NPN transistor?

It can not be a KT828A. The case is not right for a KT828A.

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And what exactly is it that you need help with this module?

Maybe a good idea would be to google for "inverter circuits", to familiarize yourself with the different methods to realize an inverter.
Thanks, Xenomorph. That's probably a good idea. By the way, that's a great image you posted of your device.

I wondering how the Frequency Generator would be wired according to the Alex Schematic. I am not completely familiar with the Russian schematic convention.

I guess I will have to research it more.

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Comments, questions, concerns, objections?

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This is the best picture I have.

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Comments, questions, concerns, objections?

All are welcome.

Okay, DD1.3 and DD1.4 are both Hex inverters (к561лн2) as indicated in the top left corner of the diagram. Probably supposed to be even on one chip using 2 of the 6 inverters.

Foot 7 and 14 are вход (or Vdd and GND)

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Concerning your last post about the frequency generator module, that is (i must say maybe) the oscillator feeding the HV transformer.

SR has stated that he took it from a CFL lamp (!) and that it operated in the frequency range that he deemed alright (25-35 kHz).
This by the way is a strong indicator for the fact that this is NOT about some magic frequencies to force transmutation.
The little circuit board would fit the description, but it could be also the LV driver who knows.




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@Xeno,

we have seen it before. I see it again. The small white coil that its axis is perpedicular to the big one, what is it?

I remeber few kapanadze devices have some coils with perpedincular axis.
Coincidence?
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I donīt think itīs anything. The leg of the table and some wires fixed with tape. Itīs way to small to have any influence on something or to pick-up energy, but itīs only my opinion.

The blue and the white wire donīt seem to enter it anywhere.
The lower part of the leg could be interpreted as being a coil, but it could also be a pattern in the leg material ...
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