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Old 03-25-2010, 07:07 PM
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Regarding that setup of 2 wheels with the magnets on the circumference;
If the theory is really what he calls "defreinage" (unbraking), we don't need a motor, generator nor any instrumentation to test it.
Just have the 2 wheels side by side and swing them by hand. If the rotation continues by itself and accelerates, the theory is OK.
Hehe, you couldn't have been much right :
YouTube - magnet motor FREE POWER PERENDEV NO GASOLINE

Ooops : I thought much more people had seen this video before...


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Old 03-25-2010, 09:09 PM
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Marseye,
That seems to be the same effect indeed.
Except on the Perendev, adjacent wheels have a different diameter.
Is the effect stronger with wheels of the same diameter ?

If Hatem managed to power a bicycle with that, we might assume that there is a real, usable amount of power in the device.
That means that in the experiment I described, with 2 free-running wheels, the force generated should be strong enough to accelerate the wheels constantly, until a such RPM is reached where the centrifugal force will overcome the strength of the adhesive holding the magnets in place... So it might be prudent to integrate a means of braking the device.

And if the theory turns out to be right, that is, that quickly separating magnets loose some of the attraction they have, compared to their behavior at rest, or slow speed, I think this device would be appropriate for something that needs low torque at high RPMs. Like a turbine or something.

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Mmmmh... I don't think there's any usable torque with the system in the previous video : with no wheel powered, the effect must be on some sort of delicate balance.

But my real hope is only in a system with low power in and biger power out.

Anyway, after Kapanadze and that, and many other demonstrations, at least should we be sure that there are several simple means to produce out more than what we put in. Whatever the domain in which some have found something.
More than that, there seems to be a general 'resonance' principle behind all these things, IMHO.

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Old 12-06-2010, 10:44 PM
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Has anybody really tried this idea out?

At first glance i see this idea being nothing different more than a lower friction drive mechanism. But...

It seems a few here think their might be a chance there might be something to this "un braking"... I cant seem to be able to translate the french testing but the part that was translated said, that the power consumption of the drive went down? So...

Anyway this company looks to have explored this concept with UL documented positive power amplification (from this "magnetic release" ?). Model View



My other thought is a small modification to the Hatem system here may change it's performance.

I could be wrong but, What If you put a magnetic repulsion material like pyrolytic-graphite or bismuth on the break-loose side (rotating away side ) between the 2 rotors? Braking up the magnetic attractions just on one side could cause a gain. You would have a pull force, pulling the wheels together, on one side of the rotors, and a smaller amount of attraction on the other.
This idea seems way too simple to me, so i think im missing something, but hang with me. Now even if the away side only had a few pounds difference than the pull side, it still could add up to some good force.


Say the difference is only 2 pounds, 2 pounds times 3600 RPM, times the number of times the magnets meet per rev 18 = 64800 LBS of extra work per minute???

I'm sure I'm missing something but i don't see it right now, maybe someone here can tell me what I'm missing.

YouTube - Free Energy Electric Power Generator Overunity Magnet Motor
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Has anybody really tried this idea out?

At first glance i see this idea being nothing different more than a lower friction drive mechanism. But...

It seems a few here think their might be a chance there might be something to this "un braking"... I cant seem to be able to translate the french testing but the part that was translated said, that the power consumption of the drive went down? So...

Anyway this company looks to have explored this concept with UL documented positive power amplification (from this "magnetic release" ?). Model View



My other thought is a small modification to the Hatem system here may change it's performance.

I could be wrong but, What If you put a magnetic repulsion material like pyrolytic-graphite or bismuth on the break-loose side (rotating away side ) between the 2 rotors? Braking up the magnetic attractions just on one side could cause a gain. You would have a pull force, pulling the wheels together, on one side of the rotors, and a smaller amount of attraction on the other.
This idea seems way too simple to me, so i think im missing something, but hang with me. Now even if the away side only had a few pounds difference than the pull side, it still could add up to some good force.


Say the difference is only 2 pounds, 2 pounds times 3600 RPM, times the number of times the magnets meet per rev 18 = 64800 LBS of extra work per minute???

I'm sure I'm missing something but i don't see it right now, maybe someone here can tell me what I'm missing.

YouTube - Free Energy Electric Power Generator Overunity Magnet Motor

Wow, this last video is nice finding, Roland, good job

(I answered your pm via another pm)

This video clearly shows more out than in ! That's great ! Hope it's for real !
Damn, It would be my next replication, if only I had room and some machines and material to do so...

Impressive, really ! A claim more that it works ! And it's so simple (despite the need for some tools).

The energy crysis could end now. What do you all think about this ? Who can replicate soon (again) ? Please, let us know if you are lucky enough !

There's still a need to increase the secondary wheels and gennys... I'm so sad it's presently out of my reach.

I'd like so much to see Peter Lindemann try it ! I've got to make my prayers now...

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Old 12-07-2010, 01:42 AM
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Interesting Video

Marseye,

Yes, I would like to see me replicate it as well!!!!! Currently I am buried in the Lockridge Device project and teaching people how to get more mechanical energy (power) out of ordinary electric motors.

I am also about to publish the design for a working buoyancy engine, so someone else is going to have to verify this one.

Sorry,

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Old 12-07-2010, 06:54 AM
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I have had some designs about a system, with magnetic coupling, I also built a large unit with large ND Magnets coupled, but I didn't notice mentionable results, by using a dynamo-meter, lets see if this person will show us exactly how to build this. Magnetic interactions seem to obey the action-reaction rule in low RPMs, maybe speed and mass is a critical factor here. I am ready to build another unit, if much clear plans are offered. We need this technology and we need it Now!
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Marseye,

Yes, I would like to see me replicate it as well!!!!! Currently I am buried in the Lockridge Device project and teaching people how to get more mechanical energy (power) out of ordinary electric motors.

I am also about to publish the design for a working buoyancy engine, so someone else is going to have to verify this one.

Sorry,

Peter

Peter,

Your post intrigues me...

You are about to publish the design for a working buoyancy engine?
Is this similar to the 'HIDRO' design, or are you attacking this problem from a whole new angle?

I have spent many nights trying to imagine a buoyancy system that would get COP>1 but as soon as I realized how inefficient compressors are - I gave up in frustration!

I am also intrigued by the word 'working' does this imply you have built a prototype?
Look forward to your publication.

Thanks,

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Old 12-07-2010, 07:51 AM
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Hi,

I have watched the first video (the wheels in line).

If one wheel forces the following one to rotate, then if instead of a line we made a ring of wheels every wheel would be in contact with 2 wheels so if the synchornization is right moving one would cause all the wheels to move forever.

I know this is quite probably impossible but it sounds theoretically possible.

What do you think?
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Old 12-07-2010, 08:24 AM
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Hi,

I have watched the first video (the wheels in line).

If one wheel forces the following one to rotate, then if instead of a line we made a ring of wheels every wheel would be in contact with 2 wheels so if the synchornization is right moving one would cause all the wheels to move forever.

I know this is quite probably impossible but it sounds theoretically possible.

What do you think?
Closing the loop doesn't normally work with over-unity systems. I actually built a unit about two years ago and it locked up, when I closed the loop, that is I connected the output to the input mechanically, and very strangely magnets lost their functionality. Another thing I found out that may be of use to building an over-unity system, attractions of magnets is insanely stronger than repulsion, and can eliminate the repulsive power of magnets whatsoever. So coupling attracting magnets might be a different thing all together.
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Old 12-07-2010, 10:13 AM
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Marseye,

Yes, I would like to see me replicate it as well!!!!! Currently I am buried in the Lockridge Device project and teaching people how to get more mechanical energy (power) out of ordinary electric motors.

I am also about to publish the design for a working buoyancy engine, so someone else is going to have to verify this one.

Sorry,

Peter
@ Peter :

Wow, I've been heard, and I'm gratefull enough for that, despite I understand why you can't get involved at the moment. I wish you great success with your own projects, since you're such a talented and knowledgeable preceptor. Keep up the good work, you're on a great path already. (I was just thinking about how your own dragless motors would react with such a system, possibly making it a still better low power consuption primary... But I bet that's what you're thinking too, and you'll want to test it some day. Cheers.)

@ Elias :

Have you seen this link (Model View) that Roland gave in the first lines of his post ? Here are the theresults in terms of pure torque :

Dataq 1-19Hz (Blue : input / Pink : output)

Verification Testing by Underwriters Laboratories Inc. file no.: SV17412, project no.: 08CA33386
07/01/2008
No Oscillations Input Output (Watt)
1st 2.0Hz 11.6 Watt 64.6 Watt
2nd 9.8Hz 67.7 Watt 222.0 Watt
3rd 19.0Hz 190.9 Watt 602.7 Watt
Verification Testing by TUV Rheinland of North America Inc. file no.: 30881449.003, project no.: 3070701
07/10/2008
No Oscillations Input Output (Watt)
1st 2.0Hz 11.8 Watt 63.7 Watt**
2nd 9.8Hz 69.3 Watt 315.4 Watt**
3rd 19.0Hz 194.4 Watt 632.0 Watt** (with fine tuned magnetic drive**)

The secondary is fitted with a big and heavy symetrical flywheel on the other end of its shaft, meant as well as an "interactive magnetic oscillator".

Anyway, that's already a more than >300% efficiency !!! And the study is from 2008 !!! How could we all have missed it !!!

Really, the user "Mindfreer", if honnest, clearly shows that even with a crudely tuned system, there's already electric overunity ! See it again : YouTube - How to Build Your Own Free Energy Device / Generator - Hatem Magnetic Cogging Replication

@ Roland : Thank you so much, since you pointed out these major infos that no one else here had reported first (to my knowledge). Again : great job ! And, as usual :

Ah, what a great community (minus the debunkers around) ! I feel sooo lucky !

Things are to come in due time. And now seems definitly to be a good time !

Respect to Raoul Leon HATEM : let's not forget about him as we did about Joseph NEWMAN (because of a too large system ? Here is not the point.).

Love and confidence are the keys : we are parts of ONE.

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Old 12-07-2010, 12:47 PM
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Thanks Marseye, this is such a great forum, the amount of info is overwhelming.

I have collected some hardware for replicating this project, 2 different drive motors, built a rotoveter capacitor box for the drive motor. Im having some rotors cut soon. If i don't talk myself out of it, I hope to have this going before spring.

One problem i have is choosing a cost effective and good alternator/generator ... system to get to the end goal is usable 120 volts. I don't know what the final RPM will be but i suspect between 3000 and 6000 RPM. I need to give it he best shoot of success so an efficient alternator/ gen set up at that speed is important.

I have a lot of learning to do when it comes to electric motors and the like. I have Peters DVD's ordered and hope to started getting up to speed here.

I don't think Peter doing this project would Paint a clear picture. He would probably end up modding the alternator to the point that You would not Know weather the extra energy was coming from the "un-braking" or Lockridge bolted on the end.

FWIW, Look at the personnel / team and advisors, CEO on down at Terawatt Research (the company in the link) read there history
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My other thought is a small modification to the Hatem system here may change it's performance.

I could be wrong but, What If you put a magnetic repulsion material like pyrolytic-graphite or bismuth on the break-loose side (rotating away side ) between the 2 rotors? Braking up the magnetic attractions just on one side could cause a gain. You would have a pull force, pulling the wheels together, on one side of the rotors, and a smaller amount of attraction on the other.
This idea seems way too simple to me, so i think im missing something, but hang with me. Now even if the away side only had a few pounds difference than the pull side, it still could add up to some good force.


Say the difference is only 2 pounds, 2 pounds times 3600 RPM, times the number of times the magnets meet per rev 18 = 64800 LBS of extra work per minute???
Hi Roland,

My understanding on the pyrolytic graphite or bismut is that their relative permeability, though less than 1, is still too close that of air, if the air has 1 then they have 0.998 or 0.999 respectively (I cannot recall the exact 1/10000 or less differences, not important). So while it is true that a very small piece of pyrolytic graphite can float above an array of magnets, its shielding properties may still be too little to be significant. (And they behave differently to flux when placed lengthwise or placed widthwise if you consider a thin rectangular piece).
So using those strong neo magnets the shilding such material can provide is practically insignificant I think.
Perhaps using small pieces of permalloy sheets or laminations on one of the magnets side to make part of the flux a bit focus onto the sheets might help a little, much experimentation is needed here.

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Peter,

Your post intrigues me...

You are about to publish the design for a working buoyancy engine?
Is this similar to the 'HIDRO' design, or are you attacking this problem from a whole new angle?

I have spent many nights trying to imagine a buoyancy system that would get COP>1 but as soon as I realized how inefficient compressors are - I gave up in frustration!

I am also intrigued by the word 'working' does this imply you have built a prototype?
Look forward to your publication.

Thanks,

Red
Red,

Discussing my Buoyancy Engine design here would be way off topic. When the time is right, I'll start a thread to discuss it.

Thanks for your interest.

Peter
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Old 12-08-2010, 04:44 AM
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Hi

This is one of my designs two years ago. I didn't notice excess energy out of this system back then, but maybe it was not so significant to be noticed because I was using the magnets in repulsion mode. Also I was using not a very precise dynamo-meter, suggested in Electric Motor Secrets. Later I found out that magnets are more powerful in attraction mode rather than repulsion mode.




Hatem's design uses magnets in attraction mode, the design above can be used this way. This design might be more efficient, because it is easier to disconnect magnets attracting each other, by sliding them, rather than pulling them. For example if you have two powerful Nd magnets stacked it is very difficult to disconnect them by pulling them on each side, but it is rather easier to slide them over each other to make them free. This design uses this principle, the magnets on the driving rotors "slide" over the magnets on the output rotor. On the other hand the output rotor, is attracted away.

Of course some change is required to this design, for example the rotor size can be modified or more output rotor can be added.

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Old 12-08-2010, 07:15 AM
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Hi Elias,

Nice work, bravo. Simply said : impressive !

But : with adjacent and facing wheels, I think that such an arrangement can't be compared to Hatem's design, where the wheels are in line, while the magnets are facing each other on the perimeter edges.

Nevertheless, your apparent ability leads me to have great hope that you could be the next one to build a nice replication.

Tons of questions are rushing back in my mind... And I'm so frustrated that I won't have easily the means to conduct my own tests to answer them in a near future...

My main questions are about the adequate radius of the wheels, their relative tuned weight, primary motor needed power and relative impedance of the secondary generator (and nevertheless : adequate ratio between these two).

I'm also trying to figure out how we could have an heavy mass essentially on the perimeter of the wheel : it seems to me that it must be a non-conductive mass (ie: copper or aluminum) to avoid currents circulating between magnets. What else ? Wood ? Plastic ?

Being not a machines user, I see the armature's design as a problem too... where many would just laugh at such a problem...

But we may never depart from this great principle : "simple is beautifull".

Hope one can make it soon : I'd really like to see it self-sustaining (why no one has already made such a simple test ? Since it really seems that it should work right, ain't it ?...).
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Old 12-08-2010, 01:55 PM
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The link for it on PESWiki: OS: Hatem Magnetic Cogging Device - PESWiki

I wonder if the same effect happens with two large rotating magnets coupled together.

I am going to design a system based on this idea in the coming days, after I complete my current project. I'll post the designs over here.
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Old 12-08-2010, 02:25 PM
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Hi marseye,

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I'm also trying to figure out how we could have an heavy mass essentially on the perimeter of the wheel : it seems to me that it must be a non-conductive mass (ie: copper or aluminum) to avoid currents circulating between magnets. What else ? Wood ? Plastic ?
Bismuth would be the prefered element to use. It is heavy (close to lead in weight) and easy to cast.

Take care,

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Old 12-08-2010, 06:37 PM
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Thanks for the advice, Michelinho.... I'll have to think about it.

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Seen on Peswiki (same link that Elias gave just earlier), it's said :

"...It also says that they have not been able to self-loop the device yet, but that it can act to magnify energy from another source, whether it be solar, wind, or power from the grid.
The magnets mesh magnetically, not physically, as the drive motor turns. Allegedly, adding additional alternator cogs in series increases the output in relation to the input. [3] The magnets are placed so that the poles on adjacent rotors are opposed and thereby are always attracting the magnets they magnetically mesh with.

On Oct. 4, 2010, an associate said that it is likely that this is not actually an overunity system, and that it is a function of measurement errors. "Watt meters are not accurate outside of their 60 Hz specs; and they say nothing about reactive power or phase difference." A more accurate measurement would need to be conducted to convincingly show that this system is somehow harnessing energy from the environment to thereby produce more energy than it takes to run it.(...)"

Ok... I hadn't seen this page before... And I was wondering just before that about the accuracy of the digital watt-metters, when they are meant to talk exclusively the 50-60Hz language or to have false readings... Analog multimeters rarely lie (when in good conditions, not like the bunch that I fried before, with "gentle" HV, though... I hadn't a clue then...).

But nothing is lost : we've seen that a similar device had shown big differences in terms of pure torque (>300% with a taylored system).

That's where I had my previous questions : if the wheels are to be on a 1:1 ratio, then it's the generator that must be sized correctly.

Anyway, Hatem showed up to 4 secondary generators after 1 primary motor... And he's still claiming since long that torque is amplified.

Well, mates, still a lot of R&D to be made ! "Ouch ! My wallet !", since I'm not that rich... It's so hard to make the right decisions about what should better be tried !...

Anyway, overunity is to be reached from one system or another (it's been affirmated before : JB, Peter L., Bruce De Palma (what a damn fertile generation !!!), the water-pump guy, many others, and Tesla far before these nowadays Geniuses). So, let's keep our faith alive
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Old 12-09-2010, 10:53 AM
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I can see something in this setup that might possibly make some sense. Take two strong magnets and put them together in attraction mode. The adjacent force required to pull them apart is the same amount that is holding them together right? OK, Instead of pulling them apart like that, push the back of one of the magnets down 90 degrees like pushing a lever, it is much easier to pull it apart. Sliding the faces apart also requires less energy. I say less energy but what i mean is instantaneous energy. Maybe the energy required is the same but it is dissipated over a longer period of time. Take in to account the flywheel effect and the fact that as one pair comes apart, another pair is being attracted, this may very well be some kind of free power assistance.
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Old 12-09-2010, 12:16 PM
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@ Zooty : +1
I have the same thoughts.
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Old 12-09-2010, 02:20 PM
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Is there a affordable way measure power at the shaft?
Or even a good way to load the shaft to determine if this lessens the load on the motor? (lowering wattage)
It seems the alternator, inverter... just adds more complication to determine if power is being amplified.
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Is there a affordable way measure power at the shaft?
Or even a good way to load the shaft to determine if this lessens the load on the motor? (lowering wattage)
It seems the alternator, inverter... just adds more complication to determine if power is being amplified.
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Old 12-09-2010, 03:40 PM
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Thank you, That is just what needed This will save me $$$ and time.
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Is there a affordable way measure power at the shaft?
Or even a good way to load the shaft to determine if this lessens the load on the motor? (lowering wattage)
It seems the alternator, inverter... just adds more complication to determine if power is being amplified.
It depends how much you want to load your rotors.
One easy way would be building coils, and as your wheels have alternating magnets on them, you can easily make electricity by nearing your coils to the wheel. About 200-300 turns of #20 wire may suffice to load your rotor down. But you need to mount your coils tightly.
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It depends how much you want to load your rotors.
One easy way would be building coils, and as your wheels have alternating magnets on them, you can easily make electricity by nearing your coils to the wheel. About 200-300 turns of #20 wire may suffice to load your rotor down. But you need to mount your coils tightly.
I'm not an electrical guy YET(i have a lot of learning to do) so using coils to produce a desired friction is a bit intimidating right now.

I want to load it as much as necessary to see if this power amplification as laid out works. I would like to be able to determine at least a 50% increase before i go through the effort and expense in adding the electricity producing side. It looks like i will have close $1000 bucks into this, before adding the electricity producing side (don't tell my wife ).

The concern i have with the friction device showed in that Gyula linked in that Nunan test, may not is work at high RPMs. I assume adding a load on the shaft of a 1.5 Hp motor at 3400 RPM (Or higher)would burn the wood. Maybe a material like Phenolic / Micarta may work as a brake arm at that speed?
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You could consider teflon I think. Just a cylinder (a ring) shaped piece of a thickness that can embrace the end of the shaft.

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This video has been posted before but I would like to know if anyone has something new to say about it.

YouTube - How to Build Your Own Free Energy Device / Generator - Hatem Magnetic Cogging Replication

YouTube - Free Energy Electric Power Generator Overunity Magnet Motor

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Old 02-10-2011, 06:52 AM
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Smith's secret

Donald had purposely designed his generators with highly exotic materials that are quite rare, good luck with replication.

there is no secret here folks, coils only transform, capacitors only stores, spark gaps only pulse.

He used highly permititty dielectric materials which equal huge charge.

oops, this was meant for the other Donald thread. move this over mod.

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I'm new to this forum and frankly don't understand some of the mechanisms being talked about.

How can two wheels covered in magnets affect the power being transferred? Power is a product of speed and torque. Both wheels have the same speed and the torque on each other is the same as the magnetic forces are equal on each wheel.

If any of these units with motors driving alternators via magnetic couplings actually produced more power than they consumed how come none of them ever are shown with the output driving the input? All these systems work off external power and have very dubious figures quoted on inputs and outputs.

Any thoughts on these matters?
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