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Old 03-08-2010, 03:47 PM
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Muammer Yildiz

Has anyone got any insight into this motor and its principle?


YouTube - HakanGmez's Channel

It would seem he has moved things on

Muammer Yildiz: Over-unity Homopolar Electrical Generator -- Patent, articles

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Old 04-21-2010, 07:33 PM
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Arrow update Holland delft tue tuesday 20 april muammer yildiz

I am very pleased to have met the inventor in person on the 20th of april 2010.
(Technical university Delft Netherlands as shown in the Yutube video).
I have attended this meeting and i am in contact with the tue Eindhoven in the Netherlands (Duarte).

As it seems the community in the Netherlands have invited Muammer Yildiz to go on with his project with help from us.

My opinion on what he has shown yesterday :

He is not lying .
The motor does what it claims to do .
Nothing is hidden as far as i could see.

In the near future i would like to meet Yildiz again in my own home town Eindhoven at the T.U.E to take a second look at his machine and discuss further on measurements yet to be taken.

Greetings from Holland (not only tulip's wooden shoes and windmills)

Jeroen



YouTube - Tesla komt na 100 jaar toch weer om de hoek
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Old 04-21-2010, 07:53 PM
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Hopefull!


Also...the man interviewd at the beginning (Mr Korff) says at 1:15

Quote" I found zero point/free energy already, this one is extra!"


If I understand him correctly, he is actually saying that he has "found" such a source already, and that the Yilidiz machine is another one.
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Old 04-21-2010, 08:53 PM
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Hi Jeroen,

Would like to ask whether you were in a position to see what Mr Yildiz was doing exactly when he started the motor? Because the camera unfortunately was not at the back or sideway of him so what is seen in the video in those moments is he was doing some "hammering" and the motor started.

Also, was it mentioned how long the motor worked already for the longest time? Days, months?

Did it turn out what his intentions with the invention are? Wants to look for manufacturers or wants to sell it?

Thanks, Gyula
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test results and hamering etc

Hello Gyula

First Dick Korf has travelled around a bit to meet inventors and helping to get the message out and implement working divices.
It is not the first time for him to see a device working.
As i heard from him he is a bit frustrated as he invested and not see the devices in the open market.
There are working prototypes but to market them and get them out there seems to be very difficult.
He does not give up and neither do I .
We are going with the flow and time will tell .

""Did it turn out what his intentions with the invention are? Wants to look for manufacturers or wants to sell it?""

As far as i know mr Yildiz is in for the invention itself .
Of course he invested in time and money and to get the investment back hee needs to think commercial to go on .
There are people out there (on this meeting too) that are willing to sponsor him and with the help of well willing people with money who believe in this invention it can be developt further.

If mr yildiz is scamming he does a good job in presenting a hoax.
If that would be the case he would be digging its own grave by getting into debt with the sponsors.
Also there would be no reason to do so as he went the whole 10 yards in getting where he is now.
The time and attention of the people at the technical university''s (TUD/TUE)
is seriously invested into the phenomena as shown by mr Yildiz.
These people have build , tested ,researched and develop t very complex machines .(you can find these on the tud/tue sites )
They are well educated people unlikely to be stupid enough to fall into a hoax or a commercial scam.

So for mr yildiz to sell the patent to a big company could be an option .
It is his invention so he can do anything with it he likes.
But with all the well willing people helping him i do not think that he will do that .

i hope that is a good answer to your question.

""Also, was it mentioned how long the motor worked already for the longest time? Days, months?""

The demonstration was too short i would like to see a test run for days!!
The torque on the axis :
I have put on a glove and tried to stop the rotation
It slowed down very easy with a little bit of pressure on the axis.
It seems that the machine looses power as the rpm goes down .

The hammering :
I saw him activate and deactivate the machine by tapping a rod inside a brass part behind the motor.
To start he hammers the rod one way an fixates the rod by tensioning the brass holder.
To stop he frees the rod by reversing the step above and tapping the rod with a hammer in the original position and fixates it again.
The camera position was a bit clumsy you could not see that.
So was the action of putting a glass bottle to close to the fast spinning fan blades and hitting it.
I send out a mail to point out that a bit more professional demo would be a good idea.
More data on torque, time ,energy output etc .

I would like to post a video of the actual start stopping action in more detail .
I saw the person who filmed the youtube video standing with the camera at the right angle .
So he has the footage of it also.
He did not edit it in the present youtube video !
As i respect the reason for that i will not post the footage of the mechanism for now.
The whole patent must be completed first to protect the invention.

I will post again when i have more information.


Greetings

Jeroen
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Old 04-22-2010, 04:47 PM
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Thanks much, Yeron, for sharing.

I did not follow exactly how the "hammer" works: Is there a piezo electric "starter" that gets a spike from the blow? Or it is mechanical?

Also, the actual Claims made appear to be very vague (perhaps for a reason lol, saying "all magnet motor" has negative connotations): Did Mr. Yildiz or his spokesmen actually say at any point that this was a "totally magnet motor" design (with no "pulsing" circuitry involved)? I ask, because if "looped", it is possible that a pulse /energy retrieval system could be in there somewhere (meaning still "overunity" perhaps, but not totally "all-magnet" in other words).

Since there are two threads, here is the earlier posted 2nd vid from the other that appears to be a Turkish TV news report.. Showing the Rotor design and proof of earlier Public Demonstrations.

YouTube - Muammer Yildiz Free Energy Device(HQ).flv

Anyone out there speak Turkish? It would be interesting to get a brief paraphrased transcript of the narration. If this is "going mainstream news" in Turkey, that is pretty important info by itself. The news of a "NATO" country, some consider "European", that is embracing a free energy device... is a "world-rocker" that perhaps needs to be gotten out widely.
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Old 04-22-2010, 04:59 PM
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There some thing we need to think to understand his device, first something is hidden, its simple for him to open the device and showed it to everybody because his hidden variable is not easy to find at first. First thing to consider , why in the hell do he use a blade to show the power ? will be more simple to hook a generator no ? and alot less noisy. When he open up the device , at the end of the video we see all magnets look about the same except for one set on the big piece or aluminum , this set are ring magnet, why ? air flow , im about sure it counter the sticky spot with compressed air generated by the device so the only way to hide that information is to make noise , so stick a blade on it and you are fine the noise hide the sound of the decompression.

Just my 2c.
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Old 04-22-2010, 05:21 PM
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torque

the device only delivers torque? or mechanical energy?

there is no extra output of energy?

if it slows down very easy with a little bit of pressure on the axis, it will not have torque to rotate a generator, the back EMF in the coils of the generator will eventually stop the device.

so, whats the point?
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Old 04-22-2010, 05:26 PM
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@All,

You can download the patent over here:
Neuer türkischer Magnetmotor von Muammer Yildiz ?

It looks (from the video link above) that he is starting the motor
with a pyrotechnical device. (A small gas generator that burns.)

Groundloop.
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Old 04-22-2010, 06:37 PM
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The answer to the usual "low torque" questions & complaints is always: "Simply to prove it is possible" (meaning to gain constant rotation & acceleration from an "all magnet motor").... Which is a concept that has gotten attacked constantly from those who claimed it is "not possible" as millions of folks still believe despite the work of Howard Johnson and others' who have claimed to do it over the years (in Johnson's case, backed by witnesses and Patents awarded).

Because if it IS possible to gain rotation from magnets-only, then it is also possible to get usable torque in the future. If the first device that publicly and conclusively proves rotation... and this has not happened yet here of course... is of low torque; that does not mean high torque is not possible when the principals behind it are better understood and better utilized, only that THIS particular device can't.

The first prototypes of any new conventional electrical or electronic devices are comparatively "primitive", and many times less efficient, than when they are later commercially developed:

Why should "free energy" devices be any different?
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Old 04-22-2010, 09:40 PM
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the device only delivers torque? or mechanical energy?

there is no extra output of energy?

if it slows down very easy with a little bit of pressure on the axis, it will not have torque to rotate a generator, the back EMF in the coils of the generator will eventually stop the device.

so, whats the point?
Maybe because at first he showed the power output with the specification of the blade so people can know what is the power output ? if you need X power to turn Y blade a 1000 RPM you can convert that to torque so what you said seem irrelevant, X Newton to turn a blade is the same X newton to run a generator with Y load on it, the blade act as a load.
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Old 04-22-2010, 10:18 PM
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Hello Jeroen,

Thanks for your kind and detailed answer.
Well I agree a long running test time of at least 8-10 hours is definitely needed to rule out any high capacity modern lithium battery pack hidden inside the motor body. During the 8-10 hours any battery would show a definite output power (a charge) loss which surely would reflect in the motor's RPM and/or output torque reducement.
Hopefully it is not a clever hoax though...
There is Mr Yildiz patent application here:
espacenet — Description and it is in German language (if you click on the yellow icon 'Translate text' then you get a free computer translation in English in a new window.

Also there is a peswiki page on him here:
Directory:Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor - PESWiki

Have you noticed some pieces of wire can be seen on the front part of the motor body, behind the ventillator blades, do you know why are they needed? Perhaps this was asked during the demonstration?

Of course there are many questions still but the most important is perhaps to find out if it is a hoax or not, this may involve either a long running time under controlled circumstances or putting the total motor body to the smallest pieces possibly in front of several dependable witnesses to rule out battery usage.

Thanks, Gyula


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Hello Gyula

First Dick Korf has travelled around a bit to meet inventors and helping to get the message out and implement working divices.
It is not the first time for him to see a device working.
As i heard from him he is a bit frustrated as he invested and not see the devices in the open market.
There are working prototypes but to market them and get them out there seems to be very difficult.
He does not give up and neither do I .
We are going with the flow and time will tell .

""Did it turn out what his intentions with the invention are? Wants to look for manufacturers or wants to sell it?""

As far as i know mr Yildiz is in for the invention itself .
Of course he invested in time and money and to get the investment back hee needs to think commercial to go on .
There are people out there (on this meeting too) that are willing to sponsor him and with the help of well willing people with money who believe in this invention it can be developt further.

If mr yildiz is scamming he does a good job in presenting a hoax.
If that would be the case he would be digging its own grave by getting into debt with the sponsors.
Also there would be no reason to do so as he went the whole 10 yards in getting where he is now.
The time and attention of the people at the technical university''s (TUD/TUE)
is seriously invested into the phenomena as shown by mr Yildiz.
These people have build , tested ,researched and develop t very complex machines .(you can find these on the tud/tue sites )
They are well educated people unlikely to be stupid enough to fall into a hoax or a commercial scam.

So for mr yildiz to sell the patent to a big company could be an option .
It is his invention so he can do anything with it he likes.
But with all the well willing people helping him i do not think that he will do that .

i hope that is a good answer to your question.

""Also, was it mentioned how long the motor worked already for the longest time? Days, months?""

The demonstration was too short i would like to see a test run for days!!
The torque on the axis :
I have put on a glove and tried to stop the rotation
It slowed down very easy with a little bit of pressure on the axis.
It seems that the machine looses power as the rpm goes down .

The hammering :
I saw him activate and deactivate the machine by tapping a rod inside a brass part behind the motor.
To start he hammers the rod one way an fixates the rod by tensioning the brass holder.
To stop he frees the rod by reversing the step above and tapping the rod with a hammer in the original position and fixates it again.
The camera position was a bit clumsy you could not see that.
So was the action of putting a glass bottle to close to the fast spinning fan blades and hitting it.
I send out a mail to point out that a bit more professional demo would be a good idea.
More data on torque, time ,energy output etc .

I would like to post a video of the actual start stopping action in more detail .
I saw the person who filmed the youtube video standing with the camera at the right angle .
So he has the footage of it also.
He did not edit it in the present youtube video !
As i respect the reason for that i will not post the footage of the mechanism for now.
The whole patent must be completed first to protect the invention.

I will post again when i have more information.


Greetings

Jeroen

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Old 04-23-2010, 08:24 AM
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Hello Again.

Nice to see that this thread is alive.

To answer the question (gyula):

''Have you noticed some pieces of wire can be seen on the front part of the motor body, behind the ventillator blades, do you know why are they needed? Perhaps this was asked during the demonstration?''

Yes we did and the wires were attached to 4 coils mounted inside the stator housing.
We asked what thy were doing there .
The spokesman /translator told us that the function of these was to keep the rpm on a steady speed.
Without these coils the motor will run itself apart ramping up the rpms to a point that the magnets inside will fly loose and the bearings will break.
Uncontrolled high speed is unwanted in this prototype setup.

Our guess is that he creates back emf in these coils to keep the rpms under control.

Lets get back to the no saying principle for a moment.
To be sceptic is healthy.
Even I am confronted with the fact that i have learned that what i see is impossible so it must be a fake .
That is what my mind tells me at that moment .
For me it is important to look at my own thought's, being aware that i react in that way.
Therefore I learn something about myself and the way i am dealing with these things get more clear.

Even when it turns out as a hoaxs i am training myself by vissiting these meetings an look at what is presented an studying the phenomena.
The next time with an other principle ore invention i will be more experienced in sniffing out a hoax .

The gain is learning ,i am eager to learn about these things.

In the case of Yildiz .
It is a pretty darn weird machine and it does something.
if there are batteries hidden or a set of magnets that wear out and have to be energised again afterwards it is still a interesting machine.

But !!!!!!
The people i am in contact with and thy are involved from day one with
mr Muammer Yildiz are well educated realistic thinking people within the settled mainstream science community.
Even mr Duarte from the TUE emphasises that there are no batteries in a bit frustrated way.
The spectators are human an will fall in to disbelief because of the nature of there mind .

To put energy into disbelief will close our ability to learn and evolve .

As humans are creative beings we will create new and mind blowing technology.

Just take look at our history in the last two Centuries.
Nicola tesla was a crackpot too .
But we do have ac power because of him.

Not to speak of how the piramids were build thousends of years ago.
We are not able to replicate these even if we have gps and laser cutting tools,big machines etc at this time.
But they are there !!!
We can 't say that it can not be done, because it is done.
Even if we do not know how its done.

It is time for A next step.

Jeroen
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Hi All

For me there are an awfull lot of expensive magnets in this and the basic idea I have seen before somewhere!!!!!!!!, but I do like the three band setup to get over the sticking points (now you see me now you don't) sort of thing. I'm sure Rick would be interested in this.

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Not to speak of how the  piramids were build thousends of years ago
We are  not able to replicate these even if we have gps and laser cutting tools,big machines etc at this time.
But they are there !!! 
We can 't  say that it can not be done, because it is done.
Even if we do not know how its done.

It is time for A next step. 
Jeroen[/quote]

Jeroen, I like your comments you typed here man! What I also believe that, mas-media most specially in USA it's very critical of these technologies for the reason that, they'r all bought by the money changers in the land. Oil companies, utility companies you name it. They sponsor every type of academic and educational system in order to create nation full of skeptics
and a Nation damn full of ROBOTS. They don't want thinking or creative people, period.
However if the truth to be told, it's even beyond science fiction movie.
For example the earths speed in orbit is about 18 miles per second, and we live on this massive totally self sustained spaceship generally speaking no body wants to admit it let alone to offer a little bit of appreciation about it.

Mankind is totally powerless when it comes to powers of the nature, and yet their full of arrogant ignorant about it.

it's totally unbelievable how close minded human educational system has gone! Terribly disgusting even to think about it.

But anyway, Muammer Yildiz by the way Yildiz means Start in English,
He truly become an star as he was named after one.

The technology is without a doubt is real and there is no question in my mind at all. The fact that the way he starts the magnet motor totally make sense.
I have downloaded he is world patent it's quite clear what he talks about it.
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Yellow Magnetic Star

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Not totally powerless, it is the choice of the individual.



“Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous? Actually, who are you not to be? You are a child of God. Your playing small does not serve the world. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you. We are all meant to shine, as children do. We were born to make manifest the glory of God that is within us. It's not just in some of us; it's in everyone. And as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others.”

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^^ Authored and published by Marianne Williamson ^^

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""Yellow Magnetic Star""


Yellow Magnetic Star
A bit ''vague'' but interesting (not to be taken to seriously)



Tone 1: Magnetic - Unity

Coincidence?

By the way one of the first inventions by Mr Yildiz was called the Ocean Star
Look at Mr Yildiz Eyes and decide for yourself

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Old 04-24-2010, 02:25 PM
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Hi Jeroen,

Good to see that our nation's tech unis are actively working with the alternative energy research, beyond our ancient and too low numbered wind mills, and the Solar car races we tend to dominate.

I hope that you'll be able to negotiate a deal with Mr. Yildiz to replicate his device, at similar scale, from the ground up, for the ultimate confirmation. It should teach your students a lot, give them new goals in their professional lives, and help Mr. Yildiz somehow eventually make a buck from his research.
If he doesn't allow you to replicate, doesn't share the secret, I can safely bet it will die with him. No one free energy inventor ever got his invention "out", supposing it was ever there that is. No university ever managed to get tpo the bottom of such invention. This will need to change. New kinds of talents are required of inventors and those associated to their work, o get this into the world.
First, verification through replication. No company will invest in a 40kg device that (maybe) offers 250watts.
The self-destruct, on slo-mo video, of a replication with the coils, would be a huge step.
Mr. Yildiz will need to open up though, universities can take care of him to ensure his family's future wealth. He can teach, he can do work for companies to develop on to his reasearch. Sell the rights for millions to Shell or Eneco, will only result in his untimely passing and diappearance of his secret, which no-one wants.
Replication can't be that hard, with a full university eager to make this happen. Mr. Yildiz could even disassemble, let seperate teams replicate parts, and then oversee a small team to assemble, and start, on camera.

Proof, then freedom!
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Hello to everyone.

I am new in the foro, i am from Spain and I had pattented a magnetic motor very simple, but it is not works how i can wait.

I would like talk with Muammer about his invent, somebody know the way for do it?.

I would like to know why it did not works well. My system it is based in one rotor and one stator but only one row magnets in each one. The problem is that rotor stay how blocked. I am working in another two new desings, i hope that it works this time.

If somebody have any sugestions for get spinning rotor we could make a good invent.

Thank you very much
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Old 06-10-2010, 02:26 PM
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The problem of "free" energy has been discussed to death... Action is needed.

People who have the ideas need to "open source" their ideas with 3D CAD models and then start to get these designs made in bulk so we can start to get these devices developed for application. When Free energy is out, money / lack will be less of an issue...

Some interesting links:
Project Camelot | Wade Frazier

I was at this conference and was the guy in the green Tshirt on Brian's left...
YouTube - Zurich Conference: Dr Brian O'Leary's workshop, 12 July 2009

From here: Project Camelot | Zurich Conference, 2009

Unfortunately until devices which can be made in bulk using scaletrix magnets and using CNC engineered parts (direct from the 3D / 2D CAD models). We will be no further forward on convincing people these devices work.

I work in engineering specifically intake and exhaust and saw this at Amsterdam working:
YouTube - GEET/Pantone Hybrid demonstration

I'm an engineer, 15+ years experience. Now convincing people you actually work with you saw this running is another thing... people are too locked down with stress and meeting deadlines...

I suppose people will start to listen when they are ready...

John
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Exclamation Over-Unity, Free Energy, How To Prove It

Hello All.

Personally, I like Yeron's comment the most. He/She is 100% correct when saying that this invention may very well be in its primitive stage.

The Problem:
Is it a hoax or not?? Everyone wants to see over unity become a reality. Everyone has a "Show Me" mentality and will not budge until there is proof, and that is very reasonable and understandable.

The solution:
American Media.

The reason I say American Media is the answer is simply because of the concept of "When America Sneezes Or Coughs, The World Catch's A Cold". The entire world catches on to what is done in America so quickly. The faster it can be shown to American's, then the faster it will catch on to the rest of the world (despite the fact that Asian countries have been using technology that America has yet to utilize).

Just like johnshore said, the topic has been "discussed to death." The machine needs to be brought to American Soil and shown in front of cameras from ALL angles, plenty of lights, thus making it impossible to hide a concealed battery. If the machine can be brought to a major American University, Research Center, or City for a live demonstration in those conditions, then i can assure you that American Media WILL discover the truth about if it is a hoax or not. I guarantee you American's WILL PAY BIG MONEY the moment its validity is confirmed!

The BIGGER problem:
Bringing the device to America for a "hoax/not hoax" demonstration.

The Solutions / What he'll need:
A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY. I'll bet given his claim to fame, he is most likely on the "No Fly" list. Meaning that powerful corporations have placed him on that list in fear that his invention may be the real deal, and will hit mainstream and crumble their business .

He will need Support from professors, scientists, and especially support from Sponsors all over the world. People know that the world needs to see this because it will revolutionize the way the world operates.

He will need a privatized personal security team as there will be many assassination attempts to keep him from unveiling the next step in pushing man kind to the next level of technology . The security can not be government funded or controlled because governments of the world can be easily sabotage the operation to make it look like a hoax, or worst, perform the assassination for the sake of the major corporations that don't want the concept of over unity to applied to actual homes and businesses.

There will have to be a controlled environment. Most likely, the machine will have to be placed in the middle of a demonstration area with NO walls, camera's from all angles, and plenty of spectators, and plenty of lights. People will be looking for ANY and EVERY way to prove it is not real. So that will be the ONLY way to provide undeniable proof.

Under these conditions, he will have to give a live demonstration, take the unit apart COMPLETELY. Not just showing the top half of it, but he will have to take it apart all the way to the last screw. The only thing he will most likely be allowed to keep assembled are any parts that keep the magnets in correct alignment. Everything else will have to be broken down. He will have to show all of the parts of the the unit to the spectators to prove that there is no battery and to show how it works in full detail, all under extreme surveillance of course.

IF he can do all of of these things, and then put it back together only to have it work the same way it did before it was disassembled, then he will be one of the most admired, talked about, and richest people in the world.

So, with all that being said, unless any of this is done, his machine will be held back from exposure until he dies. Once he dies, his work can be covered up and buried never to be seen again. I don't want to see that happen. Simply put, it is the only way for anyone to prove something that is supposed to be impossible to do.

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NSUSCOOTER, you hit everything right on when you said he will need a full time security team and he will need to do more revealing. But even that won't be enough.

I hate to say this. I really do. But no free energy is going to be commercialized. Not unless we somehow take over the elite who run things. Because as it stands, the ordinary citizens are not running the show. Too many of us are lost and incoherent. We cannot contribute because we are zombies. One guy can invent something amazing, but society won't support him. The government will always intervene and halt progress. Why? Because the elite ARE coherent. They know the game. They are enlightened. The citizens of the world are NOT enlightened.

I am no longer mad at the elite. They are smart, and they have succeeded in controlling things. They deserve what they have because they are wise.

My intuition tells me that no commercial company is going to make a free energy device. It is never going to marketed, at least not for decades. Instead, what will happen is that people will start making free energy devices on a grass roots level. We are already doing this now.

What has happened now is the 100th monkey syndrome. It is apparent to me that there is an exponential "sudden" leap of intuitive inventive spirit that seems to have taken over thousands of people worldwide. This new spirit has motivated people to make working magnet motors and other free energy devices that used to be deemed impossible. At some point it is going to hit critical mass. When it hits critical mass, the public will know that there is an alternative to paying high prices for energy. Tiny little shops will build stuff and sell it. This is going to happen for many years. The big companies are going to continue to deny, deny, deny for as long as possible until there are no more profits to make from oil. The big companies WILL NOT give us free energy until the grassroots free energy begins taking profits from big oil (unlikely). What this means is that we will see grassroots free energy growing for 10 or 20 years, without the help of the mainstream government and oil companies, which is fine by me. We can do it ourselves.

In conclusion: We will NOT be seeing the mainstream scientists and energy companies embracing any new free energy technologies unless the ordinary average citizens of the world can compete with the energy companies. This cannot happen until there is a massive shift in public awareness. This hasn't happened yet, but it could happen at anytime. As it stands right now, I'd have to guess 10 or 20 years will elapse before the government accepts, embraces and teaches us about free energy.

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A different video

Hey guys. I try to "keep up" as much as possible on these type of videos.

Didn't see the other video demonstration in front of a group of researchers and engineers posted here. Was back in july of 2010 I think but has only had 500+ views on youtube. Purposefully keeping view logging for videos low so that they do not snowball into popularity, is a very common tactic used on youtube.

Muammer has an very productive magnet motor running for 10 mins and then disassembles the device for inspection. Magnet placement and layout can be seen on several segments of the device (@7:30mins) as Muammer pulls them out an hands them over for inspection. Watch the VIDEO here.

Another "REAL DEAL" here. I'm sooo tired of the "nay sayers" proclaiming that maxwell's thermodynamics rules apply the same way in every situation. Man, Its ALL free energy isn't it? Considering the absolute source?

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Hi Guys, I would like to say I don't think people being cautious and refusing to
believe everything without proof is being a naysayer. If so then so be it.

I think it is more harmful and more negative to just believe everything with no
proof. It makes no sense to do that.

I am always skeptical of magnet motors. This was demonstrated a long time ago.

It occurs to me if big energy wanted to distract people they would organize
some fakes and have them demonstrated for a couple of reasons.

1. To discredit individual people that support it when it turns out to be fake.

2. Distract a lot of people and have them trying to replicate a non working
device or two.

3. To discredit the whole free energy movement by having OU devices turn up
and be found to be fakes.

It would make sense in a lot of ways for big energy to organize and fund very
expensive fakes.

Every fake that is believed by a lot of people then turns out to be fake does a
lot more damage to the free energy movement than being cautious and not
just believing everything.

I don't understand why we as open source people even support people who
hold out for money and patents in these times of human development.

I don't believe it is genuine if it is and it gets patented it won't help us
anyway. We'll see in the long run if it is fake or not.

Just believing everything without proof makes no sense and is undermining the
whole free energy movement along with all the fakes that is.

When we promote fakes it makes us look either silly or deceitful.

I just think we should be more cautious about supporting things we have no
information about.

There is no need for any of us to believe these things if they are going to be
patented, it shouldn't make any difference if the device is real, if it is believed
or not.

If he was looking for investors by demonstrating and got good dollars
(which he should of if he proved it's real to the investors) then we should see
them on the market soon.

Somehow I doubt it. Looks like am a naysayer on this one.

I have one question. What possible good could it do for us all to believe
everything that is put out there without any proof ?

Seems to me that would leave us open to being deceived easily and repeatedly.

Cheers
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Hi Guys, I would like to say I don't think people being cautious and refusing to
believe everything without proof is being a naysayer. If so then so be it.
I made no such reference to this definition of naysayer, so i hope that your comments aren't solely directed at me. :P

My only reason for "promoting" this video is that it is one that has sat in my archives to be uploaded to my site for more than a year and was around the same number of hits back then when i had grabbed it. It is my feelings that if "big energy wanted to distract people", that deliberately directing viewers away from technology already present on youtube is a significant issue.

As well, I consider magnetic propulsion motors a very sound and viable technology that and there are very many demonstrations of the use of magnetic gates used in this fashion. I'm not alone in this feeling. I may not personally be able to provide proof of this particular model of motor, nor have I been able to go see it personally, however that shouldn't preclude me from helping the issue from fading into darkness. As well, I run a youtube clone..... I'm doing my best to keep it real, so i hope that no one feels i'm spamming these forums with disinfo. I do try to post about things that I'm mostly working on or testing. But i'm not having any sort of final say on this subject.

My statements on maxwell are only referencing the stringent arguments where conservation is erroneously referenced due to poor definition of the states of energy which are very often misunderstood by the layman. This includes myself Farmhand.

In the end. Here on the forums, it can be presented without fear of having to defend it. Its for discussion and I personally feel it is valid. Not everone will and thats cool.

I think its a good Video for discussion. http://www.modvid.com/play/Energy__Unsorted/Muammer_Yildiz_Free_Energy_Device_Revealed

Edit- Farmhand i did just notice that i used the words "Real Deal" in my first post. In my defence i did put it inside quotes to denote the video owners sentiment on the device. So in the future i will refrain from giving my opinion in such a way unless i have my own video to show. :P my apologies M8!


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No probs Dude, I freely admit I have no right to tell people what they should
believe. And we all are entitled to our opinions no matter what they are so I
don't hold peoples opinions against them at all. I just like to give my opinion on
things sometimes as an alternative viewpoint. It is OK to disagree on things,
disagreeing should not need to cause big arguments. I commend you for your
being considerate of my opinion. Thanks. I hope it is real, but alas I hope more
than I believe.

Cheers
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well well.....indeed the motor works.....but nobody ask the most important question....for how long !!!will the motor run ??...answer is : NOT very long because it will demagnetise in a few weeks and the energy produced by the motor is much less than the energy used for magnetising the neodimium magnets.. so....scam...scam...scam
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magnet motor Muammer Yldiz

well well.....indeed the motor works.....but nobody ask the most important question....for how long !!!will the motor run ??...answer is : NOT very long because it will demagnetise in a few weeks and the energy produced by the motor is much less than the energy used for magnetising the neodimium magnets.. so....scam...scam...scam
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We may know about the Yildiz magnetic motor by the end of the week, as Sterling Allan has flown to Geneva to observe - along with many others -- the Yildiz device. His day-by-day blog is here:

Event:2013:Yildiz Magnet Motor Demos - PESWiki

Here is a magnetic motor going on public, international display beginning April 10, 2013.
Please note, there is no need to make pre-judgements about this motor; we can observe and decide for ourselves.

Sterling writes:
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Update (as of April 5, 2013): Mr. Yildiz has been invited by the Turkish patent office to demonstrate his all-magnet motor at the Inventors Expo in Geneva, Switzerland, from April 10-14. They are paying his way. He plans to have more than one motor, and for at least one of them to run the entire duration. The idea is to run it more than long enough to rule out the possibility of hidden batteries inside. Yildiz has invited me to participate in this event, and thanks to so many of you who have chipped in, I will be attending and reporting from there.

This page is to provide an updated chronicle of events pertaining to the test of Muammer Yildiz' All-Magnet Motor at the Inventors Expo in Geneva, Switzerland from April 10-14, 2013. At least three universities will be involved in observing and documenting the demonstrations done there. After the Geneva expo, Mr. Yildiz plans to have the motor(s) tested in a university lab, in a more controlled environment. Yildiz is very determined to achieve vindication, after all these years of people questioning his technology and his motives.

As these things are accomplished, the scientific world [may] have to revise their models of physics that predict that such a motor is impossible. Also, Yildiz will have the verification he needs to bring this to market. He may also do an open license (allowing people download plans, build a company, remit royalty once commercial) on the lower power version in the range of 1 kW.
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Sterling is keeping us apprised by his enthusiastic (not to say hyped) vids... Here's the latest I've seen, from earlier today:
20130409 Sterling Allan reports from Yildiz demo - YouTube

Sterling claims that copper pennies will stick to the device... strange if true.

Note that the public display/testing begins tomorrow, 10 April, and goes through 14 April 2013.
IS ANYONE HERE GOING TO THE DEMO?
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