Hi everyone,

i have seen in internet following site : Free Energy Motors Generators
they are offering to purchase some plans of overunity devices.
Does anybody know , is it real or just joke ?

Thanks in advance,
Kirill
Russia.

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Kirill,

This company, Creative Science, has been selling plans like these for over 15 years. No one has ever made a free energy machine from these plans. You are far better off studying the information in the other threads here, to learn the basic principles of the science. Or if you want a summary of the best there is in the public domain, buy a copy of the Quantum Key, advertised on the main page, here.

Whatever you do, don't buy the Creative Science plans. They don't work, and the company doesn't honor the money back guarantee!

Peter

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Peter, thanks a lot for your advice. In fact
I expected that it's can't be true.

But it's quite interesting concerning purchase
of the copy of "Quantum key" you are talking
about. How can I purchase it ?

Best regards,
Kirill.

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I have put up the plans for a Gray-like device at my website:
Bestandsoverzicht van /pdf/Reference_Material/Fuelless_Engine/

The electrical system described in there has great similarities with the Poulsen arc converter, as I posted here:
http://www.energeticforum.com/122556-post2116.html

Given that such a circuit basically is an oscillator circuit and resonating coils are used all over the place in FE devices - Stiffler, Meyer, Puharich, Tesla, etc. etc. - I think the conclusion that these are jokes and cannot work cannot be justified just because one hasn't seen any working example.

Actually, I think there is a pretty good chance these things do work.

If you want to experiment with a Poulsen arc converter, you may want to buy one of those high voltage fly swatters to use as a voltage source:
Electric Fly Swatter

These can be modified and give of high voltage DC:
Fly fly The modification of the electric flyswatter

There's somewhat of a schematic here:
Fly Zapper Racket - Shock Device - Replacement Components


This looks very similar to oscillators used in the Joule thief, etc. and I think there may be a few mistakes in this one, but the idea is clear: an oscillator is built around the primaries of the transformer, which is transformed up to a high voltage AC, which is rectified into a capacitor.

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Hi Kirill,

You can download a free copy of those fuelless motor plans from Scribd and test it for yourself. I purchased a set of the plans several years ago and gleaned a lot of great information from the plans. There is a lot of very good practical manufacturing detail that can be utilized for any magnetic motor and it is a very simplified technique shown unlike replications by many others.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

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I purchased these plans years ago,when a group of ours decided to fully investigate these plans. Our group broke up and we never got to test the validity of them. But we gained a lot of info from them. I don't think anyone else has replicated a free energy machine either. Although I am sure many have come close. Solar,wind, and water are the three main free energy systems used throughout the world today. We are fast approaching a time when free energy will become available to all. We have been kept isolated from these devices too long. Magnetic motors seems to be our best option for building a free enrgy system to power our homes and automobiles.Although electomagnetic is also a very viable option, as in these schematics.Good Luck . Stealth

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Just looked at Grays patents over here:
Edwin V. Gray: Electromagnetic Association Motor (Pulsed Capacitance Discharge Motor, &c: US Patent # 3,890,548 )


This is his patent from 1975. It is essentially the same as shown in the RC 362 document. And it also shows great similarity with classical arc converter transmitter:

Adventures in CyberSound: Experiments with "Singing Arc" and Tesla Coil

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Nearly 8 years ago a few people went together to get plans from C.S. The fueless engine is missing comutator info and to wire it up. You will also need another set of plans for the high voltage capicitor power supply. That schematic was on 2 or 3 pages with much missing data. The guy called himself a "christian" but was the worst person I have ever dealt with. He refused to answer questions or give a refund. Then later he said he would answer questions for $25 for each one. The 50 hp feuless engine plans are identical to the toy plans and he tells you in them to just scale them up! AVOID THIS PLACE LIKE THE PLAGUE and tell him I said so!
Alan

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Thanks Alan. Great info.

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I have read stories like that elsewhere, but I don't see any objections in downloading the stuff from the net and discussing it alongside Grays system. To me, the plans are interesting, because they give additional insights you can't find in Grays patents.

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i bought the original plans years ago and those were very hard to duplicate but with these new plans they are easier to follow and again who cares about grammer as long as it works and i have video proof that it does work and i am in the process of getting it to self run



i have built this fuelless engine from their plans and it does work as advertised it cost me half of what their kit cost but takes more time to find a cnc machine to machine the parts to keep every thing within the perimeters specified
i still invested 1800$ and 2 years time to build - timing has to be correct to get the results - i am also working on a self runner which i hope to have up and running soon it takes time and money
so please do not count these plans out until you have invested the time and money to say other wise i put my money up first and took that one step others would rather take an arm chair view i built it and it does just what they say it will do
if all others can find is grammer and spelling errors in their plans then you have no intent to build but just to find fault not to build Einstein flunked math but who shot down his theories

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I find the "Creative Science' stuff interesting.....And while I feel, it is full of BS; I have also gotten lots of valuable info from their stuff

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I just hope others will take the time to duplicate their work it takes time and money to do so but I put my money where my mouth is and built it first before I judged them and with the free help they offer I have gotten my motor generator to function as they advertised it to stopped my house meter and produces extra energy to do other functions like charge batteries or run lights
It really is a cool device once you get it assembled
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Peter I see you obviously have not tried to replicate these plans and the new plans are so much more user friendly even you could build it and see it preform just as they say it does
I know it is not your idea nor is it John B's but try it first before commenting negatively
I have heard a lot of things not so good about you and John B's work but I have replicated yours and John's work before I commented on it not just read it but built it
I have been in this research for nearly 30 years I know John B and have talked with him on the his personal phone so I am not a newbe by no means
But please spend a little of your money to replicate
I have spent a lot on your site and ebooks

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Hello ! I also bought the plans 3 years ago, the Model 2 that looks like a dual rotor generator by its design...

I'm using AC directly to run my motor (220VAC, and I get 420RPM). It's a little bit slow I think...

I'm consuming between 150 and 250 Watts and I can't get noticeable power (when I put a load of 400W for example when coupling it with an alternator, everything is collapsing...)

Could you post your video of it working by private message to me by any chance ? That would be awesome because I tried to adjust the timing the best way I could but not getting their 4kW claim on their website.

I'm sure I'm going to get some insights from your video as for me I can't have clear overunity.

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yeah of course if your going to build one of these things your going to have to buy the plans if only because your going to need advice.In the meantime as suggested you can download for free from scrib or poke about on the interweb until you find some of their old PDFs (They are legion) - Of course creative science revises and updates their designs but at least you'll get some sort of idea and feel for what they do.
after a sort search I came up with this website
HARRIS MICROWAVE ELECTRONICS - ????? ??????
about 3/4 of the way down the web page you will find downloads . simply download and save each document as a matter of course . all 16, why not ? there seems some interesting stuff here. still if you just need the fueless engine its download number 8, (and of course rename it in the original english.) I suggest you do this quickly because scam or not I suspect Creative science will slam the door as quickly as they can.
once you have the PDFs you can of course peruse at your leasure and make up your own mind if you want to invest further, 2 years building time and a few thousand dollars in materials and machining? If your going to attempt to build then surly the cost of original plans and assistance is pretty insignificant

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https://archive.org/details/freeenergyMOB

https://www.scribd.com/doc/178948703...2-362-RCm2-pdf

Index of /creativescience

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Regards,

VIDBID

better still - well done vidbid

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Thanks Vidbid.

So this is the actual thread & the real site of the motor plan. I didnt get the whole pdf plan in the past. Just got screenshot diagram to build this motor from another guy that post just part of it. Sad I dont even knew the motor name that time.

With this kind of information, it help me alot into further more explaination on how this motor works.

Btw, most of the plan works! Not as actual size & result as in the Full pdf plan. coz I did it with some old ccw from my old transformer coil,

Most of these plan looks very nice as they construct with nice metal, bobbin, plate for casing & steel machined shaft. I didnt purchase nor buy any part from them. But with only using similar material, It did work...

Looking foward to build the SP500 soon as neos & ccw were sold cheaper than past 4 years in my place.

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Hello greetings dakkid

* It is interesting to keep searching and correcting until achieving the optimum performance of the engine, what I would like to know is how many turns the coil of the Fuelless Engine Model #2 362-RCm2, and at how many revolutions per minute the engine operates
If you have someone, this information will be appreciated if you share it

Thank you

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You'll find Patrick's pages a lot less expensive and more useful:
http://www.free-energy-info.com/
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