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Old 11-30-2009, 04:31 AM
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Fuelless engine plans. Is it real ?

Hi everyone,

i have seen in internet following site : Free Energy Motors Generators
they are offering to purchase some plans of overunity devices.
Does anybody know , is it real or just joke ?

Thanks in advance,
Kirill
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Old 11-30-2009, 04:39 AM
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Hi everyone,

i have seen in internet following site : Free Energy Motors Generators
they are offering to purchase some plans of overunity devices.
Does anybody know , is it real or just joke ?

Thanks in advance,
Kirill
Russia.
Kirill,

This company, Creative Science, has been selling plans like these for over 15 years. No one has ever made a free energy machine from these plans. You are far better off studying the information in the other threads here, to learn the basic principles of the science. Or if you want a summary of the best there is in the public domain, buy a copy of the Quantum Key, advertised on the main page, here.

Whatever you do, don't buy the Creative Science plans. They don't work, and the company doesn't honor the money back guarantee!

Peter
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Old 12-01-2009, 03:27 AM
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Peter, thanks for advice !

Peter, thanks a lot for your advice. In fact
I expected that it's can't be true.

But it's quite interesting concerning purchase
of the copy of "Quantum key" you are talking
about. How can I purchase it ?

Best regards,
Kirill.

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Old 12-23-2010, 11:26 AM
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Hi everyone,

i have seen in internet following site : Free Energy Motors Generators
they are offering to purchase some plans of overunity devices.
Does anybody know , is it real or just joke ?

Thanks in advance,
Kirill
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I have put up the plans for a Gray-like device at my website:
Bestandsoverzicht van /pdf/Reference_Material/Fuelless_Engine/

The electrical system described in there has great similarities with the Poulsen arc converter, as I posted here:
Gray Tube Replication

Given that such a circuit basically is an oscillator circuit and resonating coils are used all over the place in FE devices - Stiffler, Meyer, Puharich, Tesla, etc. etc. - I think the conclusion that these are jokes and cannot work cannot be justified just because one hasn't seen any working example.

Actually, I think there is a pretty good chance these things do work.

If you want to experiment with a Poulsen arc converter, you may want to buy one of those high voltage fly swatters to use as a voltage source:
Electric Fly Swatter

These can be modified and give of high voltage DC:
Fly fly The modification of the electric flyswatter

There's somewhat of a schematic here:
Fly Zapper Racket - Shock Device - Replacement Components


This looks very similar to oscillators used in the Joule thief, etc. and I think there may be a few mistakes in this one, but the idea is clear: an oscillator is built around the primaries of the transformer, which is transformed up to a high voltage AC, which is rectified into a capacitor.

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Fuelless Motor Plans

Hi Kirill,

You can download a free copy of those fuelless motor plans from Scribd and test it for yourself. I purchased a set of the plans several years ago and gleaned a lot of great information from the plans. There is a lot of very good practical manufacturing detail that can be utilized for any magnetic motor and it is a very simplified technique shown unlike replications by many others.

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i have seen in internet following site : Free Energy Motors Generators
they are offering to purchase some plans of overunity devices.
Does anybody know , is it real or just joke ?

Thanks in advance,
Kirill
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I purchased these plans years ago,when a group of ours decided to fully investigate these plans. Our group broke up and we never got to test the validity of them. But we gained a lot of info from them. I don't think anyone else has replicated a free energy machine either. Although I am sure many have come close. Solar,wind, and water are the three main free energy systems used throughout the world today. We are fast approaching a time when free energy will become available to all. We have been kept isolated from these devices too long. Magnetic motors seems to be our best option for building a free enrgy system to power our homes and automobiles.Although electomagnetic is also a very viable option, as in these schematics.Good Luck . Stealth

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Just looked at Grays patents over here:
Edwin V. Gray: Electromagnetic Association Motor (Pulsed Capacitance Discharge Motor, &c: US Patent # 3,890,548 )




This is his patent from 1975. It is essentially the same as shown in the RC 362 document. And it also shows great similarity with classical arc converter transmitter:

Adventures in CyberSound: Experiments with "Singing Arc" and Tesla Coil

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Nearly 8 years ago a few people went together to get plans from C.S. The fueless engine is missing comutator info and to wire it up. You will also need another set of plans for the high voltage capicitor power supply. That schematic was on 2 or 3 pages with much missing data. The guy called himself a "christian" but was the worst person I have ever dealt with. He refused to answer questions or give a refund. Then later he said he would answer questions for $25 for each one. The 50 hp feuless engine plans are identical to the toy plans and he tells you in them to just scale them up! AVOID THIS PLACE LIKE THE PLAGUE and tell him I said so!
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Thanks Alan. Great info.

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Nearly 8 years ago a few people went together to get plans from C.S. The fueless engine is missing comutator info and to wire it up. You will also need another set of plans for the high voltage capicitor power supply. That schematic was on 2 or 3 pages with much missing data. The guy called himself a "christian" but was the worst person I have ever dealt with. He refused to answer questions or give a refund. Then later he said he would answer questions for $25 for each one. The 50 hp feuless engine plans are identical to the toy plans and he tells you in them to just scale them up! AVOID THIS PLACE LIKE THE PLAGUE and tell him I said so!
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Nearly 8 years ago a few people went together to get plans from C.S. The fueless engine is missing comutator info and to wire it up. You will also need another set of plans for the high voltage capicitor power supply. That schematic was on 2 or 3 pages with much missing data. The guy called himself a "christian" but was the worst person I have ever dealt with. He refused to answer questions or give a refund. Then later he said he would answer questions for $25 for each one. The 50 hp feuless engine plans are identical to the toy plans and he tells you in them to just scale them up! AVOID THIS PLACE LIKE THE PLAGUE and tell him I said so!
Alan
I have read stories like that elsewhere, but I don't see any objections in downloading the stuff from the net and discussing it alongside Grays system. To me, the plans are interesting, because they give additional insights you can't find in Grays patents.
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