Hi.I have started this new thread to discuss and share different approaches to achieve spatial energy coherence (SEC) and not to send Dr Stifflers thread of course.
I will start the ball rolling.This morning i wound a tiny joulethief torroid with the intention of replicating Pirates joulethief torch mod and put it on a prototyping board to test it anyway it worked good and i decided to try it on an idea i have been thinking about which was to incorparate a 4kv trigger transformer into a joulethief circuit.These trigger transformers require 170v on the primary to achieve 4kv so i am getting no where near that with my setup but i am getting high enough voltage to see all the good stuff The torroid i am using came from a cfl bulb and is 10mm od.I wound two coils of 5 turns bifilar using solid core 0.6mm bell wire.I tested 3 transistors,the mpsa06,bf182and 2n2222 and they all worked pretty similar but the 2222 had the least current draw with the mpsa06 having 10mA more so i went with the 2222.I also tried a bigger torroid and removing the 4.7uf cap which is accross the 1k pot and the amp draw went up significantly so it would seem that the small torroid is just right for the setup i have so if anyone wants to try this i would start from where i am and experiment from there.
Anyway from what i can tell from my experiments so far with this setup is that is behaves very much like Dr Stifflers SEC and is very very stable with no tuning issues.The joulethief runs at 12v using 39/40mA with no load and exactly the same when loaded with leds or neon bulbs and has quite a large field around the excited tray but it can be run on a 1.5v battery but is much better on 12v.
I think it may be possible to see the sec effect with car ignition coils and maybe transformers so plenty of things to try.
I would also like to say a quick thankyou to Dr Stiffler as he is the reason these experiments have seen the light of day so thankyou Dr Stiffler.
Here is a vid and a circuit diagram of my joulethief sec and Torroid sec and also some plasma globe vids and i will add new circuits as people develop them to this first page post for easy searching.Regards jonny
YouTube - Joulethief SEC Exciter-wireless energy transfer.
Joulethiefsec exciter circuit-
Imageshack - joulethiefexciter1.jpg - Uploaded by jonnydavro
YouTube - SEC exciter.Torroid hybrid.
Torroid sec circuit-
Imageshack - torroidsec2.jpg - Uploaded by jonnydavro
YouTube - Plasma globe wireless energy transmission
YouTube - Wireless One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Jonnydavro's Simple sec starts on page 1
http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/4...barebones1.jpg
Step by step guide for simple sec Jonnydavros Simple SEC Build I
Slayers exciter circuit starts on page 7
http://www.energeticforum.com/attach....5v-exiter.jpg

It would be good to see input output measurements, because if there is an energy increase from the lattice (and the accompanying temperature decrease of excited mass), we know we don't have to rely on the mpsa06, and can possibly excite the field with more Amperage using high power transistors and see if the returns are linear, diminishing or exponential.

Scope shots compared to the sec would also be interesting; would we see the same chaos I wonder?

YouTube - Wireless power transfer via inductive coupling
&
YouTube - very good wireless power transfer with special primary coil configuration
for an Idea how to arrange the Inductors.
But nice Circuit, it looks nice, Good Work jonny.

Yes theses are good examples of magnetic coupling which has limited distance and the first video is supplying some decent power, although one must cut this distance limitation to make it more practical.

YouTube - Wireless or Single Wire Using Service Ground

Nice to see you back Doc. Great work!

Fausto.

I stumbled about it, as i did look for Kapanadze Schematics,
one possible Konfiguration is this.


Looks like for me, he induct with the big Coil, buffered from the Earth, wich is also a LC Circuit,
Current into the the smaller one.
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Schematics for the first Videos are here
Something like Schematic 1 & 2.
(Lol, they restrict direct Access to the Pictures, cant link the Pictures here)


For this Kapanadze Circuit, it seems for me,
when Earth is another Capacitor, the big Coil need to have a small C and another big C, to get enough Stuff moving.
With that, you can cut some Energy out without much Effect on the bigger Cycle.
Its maybe kind of flow pressure, what give excess Energie.
Probatly having 2 Earthgrounds can give different Results also, or another big Cap between it.

I may be wrong but I would imagine that you would need a spectrum analyzer to truly figure out if you are exciting or not. I wonder if there is a foolproof on/off type of determination for this. Would it be temperature decrease?

Anyway, you beat me to the punch. I was thinking about making a new thread about just this same topic. Glad someone with more knowledge then me did it.

One bit of info for anyone who cares. I have a 18v NILS that ran for a couple of days with white LEDs, so I decided to replace them with color change ones. I don't think the LEDs like being hooked up like that because 1/4 of them are failing (not changing color) and my battery usage is astoundingly high. I can drain 2 9volts from 9.8 to 9.0 in an hour. However, my 6volt 4.5ah color change NILS seems to act like the white light variety, all LEDs working properly and run time is still long. I think the multitudinous circuit changes from one color to the next is disrupting the capacitive manifestation that needs its time, and possibly not enough energy is getting back to the battery to charge it. 9 LEDs for the 6volt compared to the 25 LEDs of the 18 volt. I checked my connections and they are all good. So I don't know where the problem is, if it isn't in the non-spec LEDs or the fact the 6v system is lead acid and the 9vs are NI-MH .

Thank you for your time.

@ cosmicfarmer.Dr Stiffler has said that the SEC effect is only present with the mpsa06 so if this is the case then the sec is a potential dodo as it depends on the mpsa06 staying in production to survive so it is in all of our interests to be inquisitive and ask the question is there another way of doing this and this is what i am looking into using different circuits and trying other transistors.I have tested the BC182,2N2222 and MPSA06 and they all perform similar but "if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck.Is it a duck?"This is what i am thinking when i look at my joulethief exciter.
It would be nice if there was an easy way of testing for sec without the use of expensive equipment,there maybe.I will have another look at Inquorates vids as i think he looked into temp drop thanks for the reply cosmic and me being knoledgeable,see i can't even spell thatRegards jonny.

Here it is Jonny;

YouTube - Temperature drop with sec

There were several effects I noted with the sec in my videos, and also
...

YouTube - poor man's spectrum analyser theory of operation

YouTube - poor man's spectrum analyser becomes reality

... might help.

Love and light

The SEC is a little beyond my skill level so I read about it but dont understand it. And thanks for all the patience people have shown me in this forum. Johnny I understand you can make transmitters from the AL pans. But is it possible to use the same towers or large inductor like Dr. Stiffler has in his more recent videos? Is there a difference in distance you can space the repeaters if supply voltage is increased? Or is that strictly provided by the large coil (or size of your pan)?
And on a separate note. Ive replicated what Johnny did with the plasma ball. But I was able to charge a capacitor without the ground wirelessly from the ball to SS tray from about 2 feet away. The charge rate was slow, but it was steady. Can we use the Dr. Stiffler towers or large coil in conjunction with the plasma ball. Sort of like a transmitting antennae. With a another receiving tower and AV plug at a distance away? Sorry to post this here but there is not a thread for Plasma toys that emit electricity wirelessly.

@Inquorate.Thanks for reposting your vids,i will have another look at them.
@Redrichie.Hi I don't think the sec is beyond you as it is a very simple circuit to build and i will help all i can.Just use rf chokes as your L1 and L2 coils to get you going and you can mess about winding your own later once you have got the feel for it.
Regarding your questions.I have not built the towers yet although i have aquired the parts and Lidmotor has filled me in on the assembly but i have very limited experiment time so have not assembled them yet but i think it would work and increase performance.Once i have finalised my circuit i will test this.
Regarding Voltage.Performance does increase with higher voltages as well as using larger,heavier trays/pans and mass repeaters do work with my joulethief exciter and distances are dependent on the output of the circuit so voltage is certainly a factor.
I am glad you are also looking into plasma globes as the wireless aspect is fascinating and i am pretty sure you could run a sec or joule thief with one as i ran my OMNBB motor on one and the towers i think would work well with these as they are designed to transmit and recieve and you could just hook one straight up to the globe with one wire or use them wirelessly as repeaters.I will try this when i make the towers and let you know what happens.Thanks for your interest Redrichie.Regards jonny

@Jonny & All
I have been working on the Joule Thief lately and specifically, secondary windings on the toroid. I stumbled on something like you did here and made a video of it. I don't have the circuit finalized so I will not post it but basically I am using Doc's towers with a pure JT circuit to transmit power down one wire. I appears to me be an energy coherence event.

YouTube - Joule Thief acting like a SEC.ASF

Cheers,

Lidmotor

@ johnny. lol Im redrichie. I ve seenRedeagle once and though it was my own post for a minute.
I understand the experiment time. 10 month old and a wife and 2 jobs. Makes things go by pretty fast. And dont leave alot of time to properly run a test. I appreciate the help. Ill start looking for the SEC stuff soon. ALot to read still ahead of me. But the Joule thief is really grabbing my attention righ now. That thing borders on magic! lol

@Lidmotor.Great Vid.The joulethief is a very stable circuit so if we can reproduce the sec effect using this circuit then it will get rid of the tuning issues and make it far easier to use in everyday devices.
It would be an interesting experiment to use an mpsa06 transistor and put it on your scope and see how the waveform compares with a sec15-3.Also what is the inductance value of your coils?
It looks like you are seeing what i am seeing so there may be more than one way to skin a cat yet. Regards jonny.
@Redrichie.Sorry about that,id better bookmyself in for a check up.LOL regards jonny

@ Jonny---My LC meter broke so I don't know the values but this is how I wound the coil:
1" ferite core
JT coils are 24 ga x 10 turns bifilar (2 coils wound together)
Secondary is 30ga x 87 turns ( no reason just ran out of wire)

The SEC towers are just the regular ones and I didn't use the center tap. Doc has the specs on those in detail at his web site.

I have no idea why this worked or----what was really happening. There had to be longitudinal waves going down that wire and "something" was exciting the near space environment. I was using no capacitor in the circuit to set up the high frequency oscillation.

Lidmotor

Excellent video Lidmotor.

When you get the chance can you please post a circuit.

Very neat. Funny that I was just talking about the towers to my lab buddy and saying that I bet the JT would work with these somehow. But I didnt have any experience with the SEC except for what I have started reading in the thread. So i asked Johnny about the towers and a plasma globe. Im guessing it would work just as well. Is wireless power safe? I guess I could start a new thread for that, since this one is very valuable and dont get off track.

@redriche
Would that be some 100 monkey's phenomenon going on? maybe this is already in collective consciousness already?

@All
I made a tunable inductor today like we used on the SEC-15 only with three windings. It made a very interesting addition to a standard JT circuit. The first two windings on the tube (part of a Bic ball point pen) ran the circuit and the HV winding ran a SEC tower with 27 LEDs in series. This all happened using one AA drawing about 50 mA. The ferrite sulg was out of the tunable inductor on my SEC-15.
The tower attached to one end of the HV coil. The other end of the HV coil went the collector. At the tower I ran a clip lead from the negative leg of the AV plug to either an earth ground or back to the circuit board pot case. Why the pot case? I don't know. It just worked there. Here is the video:

YouTube - Joule Thief-- with tunable coil.ASF


@ Slayer
The circuit isn't ready yet to be posted. I'm still playing with it. You could probably put it together though from what I have explained and if it doesn't go then give me a holler.

Lidmotor

Great Video

This looks like a must try Lidmotor.

Thanks you.

@All
This is a link to where I can get small ferrite rods in a hurry (no waiting for the mail). Radio Shack sells these inductors for $1.39. Strip the wire off and just use the core. On some of my last inductors I just wrapped a piece of index card paper around the core (one layer) and taped it to make the coil tube. This seem to make a better tube than the "Bic" pen plastic tube because it is thinner.
100 µH RF Choke - RadioShack.com

Happy Thanksgiving

Lidmotor

@Lidmotor.Great idea with the tuneabe coilHave you have tried this with just 1.5v or have you tried it with higher voltages to see if you can get it to go wireless?Also have you tried your jeanna torroid on your previous setup with the joulethief and smaller torroid?I would be interested to know how that performs.Regards jonny

Jonny----
Yes I have tried all kinds of things with this little tunable coil and yes you can up the voltage on it to a certain point then things start getting hot. I was trying to light a CFL but the coil is built wrong for that and the voltage would not go high enough. Jeanna's big toroid worked much better for that. That big toriod is now safely built into a box so that I don't play with it any more. I wanted to preserve that project permanently because it was so successful. I hear that the supplier of those 3 1/4" ferrite cores is out of them and will not be getting any more. I have done alot of work with smaller toroids and Slayer's 2" one (that he found on EBay) is what I made my "Halo Light" with.
As far as going wireless with this circuit is concerned, I am getting some effect but nothing like what the SEC produces.
If you get a chance Google --Joule Thief---and look into the story about it. They call it a "switched mode converter" or "boost converter" and there has been much work done on it. Wikipedia is a good place to start.
I don't mind reinventing the wheel as long as it is fun and I learn something new.

Lidmotor

I have obtained full wireless coherence with a cute top load. A jingle bell!



I wrapped a copper strip around under it to act as a bottom load or mass. Works Well!

Try this video if its working YouTube - SEClab

I had this interesting idea -- challenge -- to pass along.

There is this fad called "LED Sticky Lights" or "LED Throwie".
Graffiti Research Lab » LED Throwies
Search for that on youtube.

Wouldn't it be interesting to develop a sort of LED sticky light
with magnet and LED ... and perhaps coil only ... NO expensive battery ...
and then to power ALL your LED sticky lights from
either a SEC and/or Joule Thief transmitting wireless tower?

Imagine throwing your LEDs all over some wall -- a sort
of technological graffiti, and then powering them using wireless power.
Such an approach might bring down the cost of making these
sticky lights.

I challenge you techno-light-hackers out there to put this together
and get it working for massive replication!!!
This form of graffiti might help to awaken the inventors in us all.

Hi Lidmotor,

I was just wondering, at 3:58 you said that by touching (the tower?) you add your capacitance to the circuit and the LEDs light brighter.

Have you followed up on that statement, as it appears to me that it is obvious you should increase the capacitance of the circuit there to brighten the LEDs up. Perhaps add another set of metal cups (no coil) or a larger cups?

Just thinking out loud...

I pulled out my Aromaz circuit the other night and was messing
around with it to light CFLs.
The other night it was working excellently.
However, last night ... no oscillations ... no mater what I tried.
Its as if the room temperature, combined with a slightly
differently physical placement of the wires on the table, etc.
prevented it from oscillating.
Aramoz's circuit is another self-oscillating approach starting
from a little NPN transistor.

Anyway, I fiddled around with it and found that when I touched
the POT, I could make it oscillate just fine ... Remove my hand,
no oscillations. This was so odd because the night before
it would self oscillate even w/o me being in the room.

After messing around with it a bit more, I saw what was occurring
after a few experiments.

The BASE to the transistor is essentially the feedback path in
for regenerative oscillations. If that path is wired to wires
and metal masses that are NOT regenerative to the oscillations,
NADA ... ZIP. The coil gets nothing.

So, I connected a aluminum plate up to the base of the
transistor ... which was also pulled high via pull-up resistor.
If I touched this plate with my hand ... wonderful oscillations.
NO .. not because I'm adding capacitance ... but rather
because my BODY is a much better feedback path for
regenerative oscillations.

OK, I then moved that aluminum plate NEAR the
capacitive cylinder which was connected to the hot lead
of the ignition coil.
This cylinder capacitor is putting out HUGE electrostatic
oscillations ... easily picked up by the aluminum plate.
The plate is wired to the base of the transistor...
The transistor inverts the waveform ... the coil inverts it again ...
Therefore, we have regenerative feedback ... and away it goes.

So I think the key here is providing the proper sort of feedback path
for oscillation..
You can't just add capacitance ... since capacitance will PHASE
shift the waveform in various ways depending upon
the value of capacitance.
But a feedback path ... that is what is wanted!!!!

@morpher44.Hi .I can confirm your experiments with the transistor base connected to a tray and putting the transistor into self oscilation as i saw this effect in my first experiment with the sec 15-3 and have looked into this further and can now see the sec effect with a circuit using only two components,a 4kv trigger transformer and a transistor.Mpsa06, bc182 or 2n2222 are the three ive tried and all work well but i would say the mpsa06 is the first choice.I tried to replace the trigger transformer with a 10uh and 22uh rf chokes but the transistor would not sustain oscillation.The trigger transformer specs requires 170v on the primary to achieve 4kv but i am using 12v so the output is not that high so i may try and make my own more suitable for a low input.
My circuit is just the transistor with the trigger transformer in series with the collector.The base goes to an aluminium tray and another tray is connected to the emmiter.This gives three hv outputs and the wireless field extends a fair way.Come to think of it,if you put another alu tray in series with the positive input you would get 4 hv outputs.The transistor goes into oscillation when i touch the base tray with my hand but you can also use a jumper wire and 100ohm resistor to start it off.
Here is a vid.
YouTube - Simple SEC
As a sidenote morpher,i would like to ask you a favour.Could you try your joulethief and ignition coil setup with some trays or towers and see if you can light some leds wirelessly as i don't have a coil to replicate your setup yet as i am thinking high voltage/frequency is a must for this.I will also have a look at your led throwies idea but can't view the website with my computer as it won't accept the quicktime pluggin but i think i know what you mean.Many thanks. jonny.

@jonnydavro

Would it be possible for you to try one simple experiment with the setup you show in this video? If these are the conditions you are under, the results will be very interesting to all.

You are powering the circuit from a battery that is not earth grounded. Your input current should be maybe 1mA at most, could be a bit higher, most likely uA's. The test is to connect a neon from your hot pan to earth ground via a wire not passing over or to near the circuit. Maybe cover the neon with some cotton or wool cloth and let it sit for a few minutes. If you have a temp gun open the cloth and shot the neon. Last resort would bundle a glass thermometer in with the neon.

Now the question is would you see heat? I think that would be a startling revelation to all.

Very Nice setup Jonny.

What is your input voltage and current draw?