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Old 03-04-2012, 02:38 PM
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Dear Boguslaw

This is for Boguslaw

Would you show us actual working the Don Smith set up instead word.
Mr. Woopy is really active hero that really show us something.
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Old 03-04-2012, 03:03 PM
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I don't get it .. nobody see that it's exactly what Don Smith tabletop device had on output ! Woopy, just measure average voltage after diodes, and try to ground to Earth ground (good one) via varistor and all whan is needed is a huge capacitance capacitor rated to that voltage. The of course power inverter like Don Smith used. I think 100-200W at least could be possible from that small toroid
I agree its Don Smith on a toroid with dual primary's, Iv been trying to get this point across on the Smith thread for a long time, either they think Im nuts or just dont understand me,
I get caught up in my thoughts and dont convey what I mean very well I guess.
dave

Oscillate the primary's and get usable energy
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Old 03-04-2012, 04:10 PM
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help for Woopy??

Maybe I can help with the arc over problem. In the attached picture the top half is supposed to represent a coil wound in the normal way. One layer covers the toroid and then the next layer on top of the first and so on. In the bottom half of the picture, part of the coil is wound with several layers then the next part is wound beside the first in several layers and so on around the toroid. The voltage from one layer to another on the top diagram could be very high if several layers are involved. The bottom picture shows coils of similar voltage next to each other and the highest and lowest voltages are separated around the circumference of the winding on the core. I hope I have made myself clear.
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Old 03-04-2012, 06:06 PM
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Hi Garry,

Yes this winding technics you propose is surely another solution against arcing.
Basically this is also what xee2 wrote in his post #2158 on previous page
( Joulethief SEC exciter and variants ) and in practice this is used in LCD monitor / LCD television sets to produce about 600-700V 30-40kHz AC for feeding the neon 'bulbs' which provide background lighting for the LCD display. See here such winding technic:
http://s3.amazonaws.com/readers/2011...nsformer_1.jpg
and some other HV transformers:
High Voltage Transformers

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Old 03-04-2012, 07:33 PM
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Don Smith circuits do not work. Many people have replicated them and none of them produced more energy out than was put in. Charging a capacitor does not increase energy, it just stores up energy put in over a long time and releases it in a short time. The energy out is not greater than the energy in, it just has a higher current because it is being transferred in a shorter time.
C'mon man...did you really thought Don Smith told us all puzzles ? He clearly mentioned he is hiding some information and from his lectures some "sharp guy" can figure it out !

Obviously the missing part is closed magnetic path or another way of interaction between primary and secondaries.Or it just makes things easier without waste energy in HV spark gap !
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Old 03-06-2012, 06:15 AM
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Hey, how are you? I had an idea. Care to try your transformer inverter using a royer circuit, 1 capacitor, and one input choke, like this one?



ZVS Driver | Teravolt.org

The input choke might do some justice to the French Flip Flop, too. As a current limiter.
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Old 03-06-2012, 06:24 AM
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How syncronistic been thinking of this today !
I have a current draw that, to me, is too large with the Woopy/Sergdo type circuits...so the natural thought was to limit on the input and see if it carries forward or not for the output. A choke to the Positive connections of the coils was my line of thought and i'm delighted to see it on a circuit diagram.
Will be trying the axial inductors tomorrow
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Old 03-06-2012, 03:07 PM
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@ kcarring

I have that on my list of things to do. This is the simplified version I was thinking of trying. Layout is for a plugin breadboard. You might want to try it. Resistor value is not critical. Use power supply with limited output current or Mosfets may burn up (I was going to use battery for power source). N-channel power mosfets.


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Old 03-06-2012, 09:48 PM
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Hi all

just going on the experiment with the Sergdo toroid transformer

And for tonight an inexpected result

Any good explanation as per a so long distance in the water and no visible plasma arc and at the end the melting ???

good luck at all

Laurent

Amazing water melting 1.wmv - YouTube
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Old 03-06-2012, 11:01 PM
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Congratulations’ Woopy I may be wrong but in my opinion you have decomposed water into hydrogen and oxygen in process similar to what is being used in the Muliplaz Welder. The extra heat when the oxygen and hydrogen recombine is melting the electrode that contacts the water. It’s amazing you are able to do this with a small input voltage and current. Try using carbon rod,” lead pencil tip”, as an electrode. This experiment needs further investigation.
Multiplaz. Welding, Cutting, Soldering, Brazing...
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Old 03-06-2012, 11:03 PM
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I've had neons and LED's light in water with Tesla towers, but nothing has exploded and melted

That really was an incredible video.
Does the electrode burn out of water as normal ?
In some ways, it reminds me of using the Earth to conduct, as Tesla did, but here you have water conducting very efficiently and with all that great power. Maybe it could be a new technique for cooking a lobster in restaurants
I would imagine you could extend the burning to the size of a bathtub though..with nobody sitting in it !
Makes me think of Stan Meyer and his car, with what is going on here.
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Old 03-06-2012, 11:26 PM
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Amazing!

I am really amazed at that. But I don't think I want to drink any of woopy's water!

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Old 03-07-2012, 01:17 AM
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Don Smith Final lecture

The extra Don Smith Lecture Video.

Donald L Smith Inventors Weekend 2001 - YouTube
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Old 03-07-2012, 08:23 AM
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I am really amazed at that. But I don't think I want to drink any of woopy's water!

Carroll
....if you know what I mean
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Old 03-07-2012, 08:49 AM
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Hi all

just going on the experiment with the Sergdo toroid transformer

And for tonight an inexpected result

Any good explanation as per a so long distance in the water and no visible plasma arc and at the end the melting ???

good luck at all

Laurent

Amazing water melting 1.wmv - YouTube
Wow mate I need a bigger toroid. Luvyawork as always.
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Old 03-07-2012, 05:15 PM
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free circuit simulator

There is a free online circuit simulator at https://www.circuitlab.com/

The following is a Joule thief simulation I did. However, finding input parameters for the time domain analysis that would work took me a while.

CIRCUIT:



OUTPUT:

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Old 03-08-2012, 12:41 AM
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Woopy - it is hard not to smile with glee as your electrode fries!
I am wondering if the burning electrode is acting like an antenna for cold electricity, which pours in from the aether in an effort to restore the imbalance (in the aether) produced by the rapid pulses from the other electrode, as the two electrodes come into contact. You have the pulses produced by the FET, and hi voltage produced by the windings. I am wondering if the diode is rendering this possible by blocking the passage of hot electricity on one side, and facilitating the cold electricity's entry. I am basically reiterating what Bearden has said before about cold electricity pouring in to circuits to restore the aetheric imbalance produced by sharp, high pulses.

On a separate note, I replicated the circuit on a large ferrite bead - uneventful due to the strange shape. However, I also tried it on a ferrite rod (1cm x .5cm x 5cm) - 2 x 20 on primary, 2 x 100 on secondary. My voltage quadrupled with strategically placed neodymium magnets, but I had to tap them into place to get this to happen. Will join the Sergdo movement when my toroid ship comes in.
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Old 03-08-2012, 09:26 PM
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Hi Xee2

thank's very much for the link to this simulator

It it surely very usefull to compare results with the" Falstad" which is also free. Ans this one seems to include denominated parts and components

bravo

Laurent
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Old 03-08-2012, 09:50 PM
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Yeah, it looks great !
Am enjoying linking this to that and testing to see no oscillations at all LOL
But, that's my problem with the simulator at the moment..how do we change values, for resistors, input power, coil uH etc ?

*Edit* got it. Double click the circuit element when you place it in the circuit and a pop up box for values comes up.

PARTY ON

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Old 03-10-2012, 07:05 AM
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LOL Excellent Video. Interesting to watch metal melt at 4 watts input. I wonder what a tungsten electrode would do. You might have a new kind of light bulb there LOL - that's giving off quite the lumens. I'll take a single malt scotch on Woopywater please. I think that's what Spock on Star Trek drank before retiring at night

Great Stuff Lately!
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Old 03-10-2012, 08:20 AM
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DIY FREE Variable Aluminum Air Capacitor - SEC / Gbluer Slayer Studies

A little trick I employed today while getting LEDs lit up at the 1.5V input level on my much loved Gbluer Slayer Exciter circuit and a SEC 18 variant, as well.

DIY FREE Variable Aluminum Air Capacitor - SEC / Gbluer Slayer Studies - YouTube
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Old 03-10-2012, 10:40 AM
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That's very cool, reminds me of the way Dr. Stiffler would use 2 same mass blocks with his PSEC. Here you show that capacitance very clearly
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Old 03-11-2012, 09:00 PM
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high power Joule thief using IRFP460 power mosfet

EDIT - This video was deleted. The circuit was actually using a TIP35C not an IRFP460. Both parts are in same package and very poorly marked. Somehow they got swapped during testing.

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@Xee2 Good vids. I use that same Mosfet alot too, she is a workhorse. They are great for having no heat, but less effective at attempts on any resonant type circuits? That seems to be my impression, thus far.

@woopy
Check this out. It's a tough read, because it is a translation, but rather interesting:

Capacitive transformer3

(Testatika related)
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Old 03-12-2012, 09:32 AM
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Hi Xee2 ab Kcarring

wow great ideas to work on

thank's for sharing

Laurent
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Old 03-13-2012, 09:01 AM
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Hi all I can light my bog standard 25watt bayonet cap 240 v lamp but I keep blowing tip41c even with heat sinks. @laurent I notice you do nt use any cooling on yours. Do they get hot? I'm using a 1k pot.
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Old 03-13-2012, 11:51 AM
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Hi all I can light my bog standard 25watt bayonet cap 240 v lamp but I keep blowing tip41c even with heat sinks. @laurent I notice you do nt use any cooling on yours. Do they get hot? I'm using a 1k pot.
Hi Jim,

Probably the 100-110V max collector-emitter breakdown voltage limit for the TIP31C is to 'blame' for the blowing. Here is a more robust type, MJE13007
http://www.datasheetcatalog.org/data...onics/4164.pdf

try to use such higher than 100V power switching types.

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Old 03-13-2012, 08:46 PM
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Hv Npn

I have noticed that, quite typically, in a common CFL bulb you will find (2) 13005LD1's which, if I am not mistaken, equate to an MJE13005.

In any event, I generally pull the guts out of CFL's anyway (for driving on circuits that run on 12V batteries) and so they end up being scrap...

I find they work pretty good on XEE2's circuits, etc.
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Old 03-14-2012, 10:44 AM
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Thanks guys il switch back to some mje3055 that I have on hand.
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Old 03-14-2012, 06:35 PM
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@woopy

you're very welcome. I love your videos. You have the best accent in the world, it's awesome. I could listen to you talk about dead weeds in the garden and still enjoy myself Fortunately your videos are far more exciting, than that, of course...
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