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Old 08-28-2010, 05:29 PM
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@ Jiffycoil

Great setup and light show.It looks like your getting very good results with the setup your using.

Thanks for posting your results.

In this video I just wanted to show the Exciter running with and without the L3 coil.
Some how the L3 seems to redirect the field from around the battery back to the L1 coil.

This test was ran off a rechargeable AA battery @ 1.3v.

YouTube - Exciter With And With Out L3 Coil
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Thanks Slayer,
Ive ordered the variable capacitors and have started winding the new coils based on the latest version. I played with that setup last night for some time and the last thing I did was to see how far it would transmit from the L1 coil to a disconnected L3 and a 47LED board with AV plug attached to bottom wire of L3 and an earth ground attached to one of the LEDs. The result was a little over 3 feet and the LED board was very bright. Moving the setup past that point saw a sudden drop of reception.


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Old 08-28-2010, 09:30 PM
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test results for Slayer exciter with transistor protection diodes

Attached are test results for Slayer exciter circuit with transistor protection diodes added. Tests used all 4 diodes. Tests were conducted using a 390 turn 1 inch diameter L1 coil.

circuit and results = Imageshack - slayerexcitertestcircui.jpg

photo of coil = Imageshack - slayerexcitertestl212tw.jpg
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Old 08-28-2010, 09:40 PM
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I noticed that I'm the only person posting larger images (they are optimized for web viewing). Is this a no no.
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Old 08-28-2010, 09:57 PM
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I noticed that I'm the only person posting larger images (they are optimized for web viewing). Is this a no no.
This site limits the storage space each user has for photos.
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Old 08-28-2010, 10:23 PM
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Hi folks, Hi Jiffycoil, it's not a nono. I myself just realized you have to grab the proper link, in my case imageshack, then all one has to do is paste it in the message, no need to use insert link tab and then hosted images show up in posts. Thanks for the pics and these cool circuits folks.
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Old 08-29-2010, 12:40 AM
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Old 08-29-2010, 03:30 AM
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Hello Everyone, How are ya all??

Hi Everybody, Can you help me out and take a look at a blog site that I am working on. It is to do with Pulse motors and magnetic coils, Bedini Motors, and ideas on making systems work better. If you could take a moment and link to my site and comment I would greatly appreciate your input.



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Old 08-29-2010, 08:41 AM
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Hi Guys!

I am also playing with an L3 coil....Ive wound one on a thinner PVC pipe than my L1, and with fewer turns than my L1 - I appreciate the advice slayer (that L3 should be at least as big as L1) but I have no wire left When L3 is attached to the emitter it seems to increase the output on L1 by moving it closer to L1. It also acts as a receiver when left unconnected - it lights a big CFL when L3 is about 70cm from L1 on my 6V battery at 0.7A. Not bad....

I wanted to ask the clever lads on this forum what kind of field is generated around these oscillating coils. Are they electromagnetic/electrostatic? Are they standing waves? Is the field similar to a typical tesla coil? What are the differences?

When i leave my xenon tube ungrounded I get really pretty filaments of plasma as i approach the tube with objects or my own fingers. Is the filament pattern determined by the field of L1???? Heres a video to show what im talking about

YouTube - xenon bulb/exciter
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Old 08-29-2010, 06:56 PM
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on my 6V battery at 0.7A. Not bad....
Not bad at all
Please give some circuit details.

I am not sure why Xeon tube does that. Here is a video I took that shows less curling, but it is still there. There may be two beams of current and one is bending around the other in its magnetic field. But that is just a guess. A straight wire has a magnet field that is circular and perpendiculat to its length.

YouTube - 3 xenon tubes with 0.5 uF
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Old 08-29-2010, 08:38 PM
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Not bad at all
Please give some circuit details.

I am not sure why Xeon tube does that. Here is a video I took that shows less curling, but it is still there. There may be two beams of current and one is bending around the other in its magnetic field. But that is just a guess. A straight wire has a magnet field that is circular and perpendiculat to its length.

YouTube - 3 xenon tubes with 0.5 uF

Nice video! My Xenon either goes completely straight (grounded), or filaments out when ungrounded. Your xenons seem to be doing something different.

Sorry - 70 cm looks more like 50cm (from centre of L1) when i get my ruler out - my bad.

But ive realised my L3 isnt acting as a real receiver - as slayer said, its too small. My CFL will light anyway, 50 cm from L1. The L3 is just sitting there looking nice

The circuit is straightforward exciter - L1 450 turns. L2 2 turns. TIP 31C transistor. resistor...er have to ask my wife...i cant see the colours well on those little thingys. 6v 2.8ah lead acid battery....cant use it too long or transistor blows. works much better on 1AA....it kept my big CFL working on 2AAs for over 3 hours the other day, and then i stopped it to go to bed. Im sure 2 AAs will power the big CFL quite a while, and the transistor will stay cool. But i still need to test it once more. Not enough hours in the day.....work in less than 6 hours....must sleep...

Easy guys, have fun!

will put up a wireless video monday or tuesday
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Old 08-31-2010, 07:33 AM
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As promised!

This is for Xee2 really....and, of course, for my own fun

wireless CFL 50cm from L1. 6V @ 0.7A

wireless xenon beaker - up to 4 cm from toroid hat. 6V @ 0.7A

Seems to work MUCH better in terms of distance with the top toroid capacitor. It was pretty difficult to tune, but i think the books (which im sure you're all familiar with ) got it to the sweet spot that slayer and cosmic farmer mentioned.

for such a wonderful toy

Its becoming an addiction.....

YouTube - 6V wireless exciter
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Old 08-31-2010, 08:45 AM
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As promised!
This is for Xee2 really....Its becoming an addiction.....
Nice video, thanks. You are getting great performance from your coil. Have you tried to generate a plasma stream?
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Old 08-31-2010, 09:27 AM
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Nice video, thanks. You are getting great performance from your coil. Have you tried to generate a plasma stream?
Not yet mate - tell me how I am hungry for new experiments. Is there a small modification necessary? Perhaps a diode somewhere??? If this is the case, I have to buy some IN4148 still, as i havent had a chance yet. I also wanna test the AV plug. Its a new one on me.

I really would like to try charging my own batteries - my coil works so well on 2 AA. Anyone got a link or video showing how they charged their batteries?

Cant wait to get one of those emergency phone chargers. wanna see what i can get out of 1AA with one of those beauties.

Old Chinese proveb goes ''Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand''. - Thanks for involving me guys. Happy experimenting.
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Old 08-31-2010, 10:11 AM
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I didn't see a continuous plasma jet until I ran the setup at 12v (I'm using the basic transistor resistor setup). I ordered some of the variable capacitors and I'm anxious to see how they work with the setup and its tuning. I found a similar phone charger on Ebay, but they come from China (long wait) and I don't know what the quality is from the listing.
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Old 08-31-2010, 11:39 AM
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I didn't see a continuous plasma jet until I ran the setup at 12v (I'm using the basic transistor resistor setup). I ordered some of the variable capacitors and I'm anxious to see how they work with the setup and its tuning. I found a similar phone charger on Ebay, but they come from China (long wait) and I don't know what the quality is from the listing.
Its a shame - i'm down to my last transistor.....ive blown three TIP31C and four MJE 13009thanks to using 12 or 6V batteries, so i wont be trying the plasma jet until i find some more robust transistors. Nonetheless, im happy playing with AA batteries. Here is another video showing almost 30cm wireless transmission to a big CFL on 1AA battery. It lights neons placed near the battery terminals also.

Im amazed i can get these effects on 1AA battery. Hope i can find an emergency phone charger soon....i think it will improve my output.

YouTube - 1.5V wireless exciter.flv
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Old 08-31-2010, 05:00 PM
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Hope i can find an emergency phone charger soon
You can buy them from Amazon:

Amazon.com: Motorola Micro USB AA battery Powered Emergency Cell Phone Travel Charger / Re-Charger in high grade Brushed Aluminum housing!: Electronics
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Old 08-31-2010, 11:55 PM
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i was playing with darlington arrangements and i was noticing some similarities between how it switched and how the SEC works..

with the darlington quadruplet the voltage needed to switch the base fully on is very very small. im talking the electrostatic charge from your body from across the room is enough to trigger it.

im thinking maybe this is how the SEC works too, and possibly using more of a darlington config could amplify it greatly..

from what i can see the transistor on the SEC is using one of the antennas as a way of amplifying the base voltage in, then stepping the battery voltage up with the HV transformer, and using your body as a conductive route to get it oscillating.

heres a little vid i made showing how sensitive the circuit is and how well it drives a couple LED's.
YouTube - touch-activated LED driver, or close proximity activated.

from across the room lifting my foot from the carpet triggers it, and it will eventually oscillate on its own at low frequency with just the charge that has built up in the room.

i cant say its the same as the SEC because the SEC transfers its input wireless, and not the initial switching current, but there are some similarities.

i was hoping to get some thoughts on this or how this could be taken advantage of or how it could possibly shed some light on spacial coherence.
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Old 09-01-2010, 03:04 AM
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That's pretty cool Magneticitist ! Is this being powered by a AA battery ?
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Thanks Xee, but im living not so far from Moscow at the moment and the postal service is poor - its never guaranteed that you'll get stuff thats sent through the post - i only buy stuff from amazon when i go back to the UK and then bring it over. Im hoping ill find that gadget in a mobile phone shop out here, and the transistors and diodes ill have to find in the radio market.

@Magneticist - very interesting video. when i get some more transistors i absolutely have to try the darlington arrangement. I'm also curious - what kind of power source are you using? 1AA??
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Old 09-01-2010, 07:24 AM
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another tranasistor protection test

This test was with a transistor that has a higher Veb max than the MPSA06. The transistor gets hot slowly at 12 volts - needs a better heat sink. This circuit will light fluorescent tube wirelessly with 33 mA from an AA battery cell phone charger.

Whoops ---- I had my LED backwards. I have replaced circuit diagram to show corrected circuit. 1N4007 diodes were removed since they were not doing anything. Sorry about the mistake. This is just about what Slayer has already posted.


circuit = http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/4...circuit2n2.jpg

heat sink photo = http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/5...tsinkphoto.jpg

coil photo 12 volts = http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/9...ilphoto12v.jpg
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im using an adapter in that video, 3.7V. what is necessary to normally light the LED's.

it can however work with a AA it just needs to be ran using a joule thief for those LEDs to light.

the power input is really of no concern, it has no bearing whatsoever on the receptiveness of the amplified Base, just how much current is being ran once the Base switches.
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dual transistor circuit

Another test using transistor protection. Dual transistors with heat sinks do not get hot after 5 minutes at 12 volts. This seems to be a transistor safe circuit at 120 mA. Now I need to see if I can push the current up higher.

Whoops ---- I had my LED backwards. I have replaced circuit diagram to show corrected circuit. 1N4007 diodes were removed since they were not doing anything. Sorry about the mistake. This is just about what Slayer has already posted.

circuit = http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/9...circuitdua.jpg

heat sink photo = http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/5...tsinkphoto.jpg

coil photo at 12 volts = http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/9...ilphoto12v.jpg
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Hi Xee2,
I've been running this setup and I have had very little heating of the transistor. I do have it on a regular finned heat sink. I run mine for 10-15 min at a time with no problem.

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L1 3.5" form, AWG 27 magnet wire, 962 turns, coil capacitance 6.2pF
coil inductance 17.1mH.

L2 Pancake coil 9 turns AWG 21 plastic coated solid wire

L3 3.5" form, AWG 27 magnet wire, 513 turns, coil capacitance 4.6pF
coil inductance 8.4mH.



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correction

The last two circuit diagrams I posted were not correct. I have modified the posts to show the correct circuit. Sorry.
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I've been running this setup and I have had very little heating of the transistor. I do have it on a regular finned heat sink. I run mine for 10-15 min at a time with no problem.
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Thanks for the details. I was unable to get the TIP31C to work with my coil but I will give it another try. I think it does not have much gain above 1 MHz and my small coil seems to self resonate over 1 MHz. I am begining to see that the big coils work with the power transistors because they have so much self capacitance that they produce a self resonant frequency in the KHz range where the power transistors have gain. At least that seems like a possibility. I may have to make a big coil to get more current.
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Thanks for the details. I was unable to get the TIP31C to work with my coil but I will give it another try. I think it does not have much gain above 1 MHz and my small coil seems to self resonate over 1 MHz. I am begining to see that the big coils work with the power transistors because they have so much self capacitance that they produce a self resonant frequency in the KHz range where the power transistors have gain. At least that seems like a possibility. I may have to make a big coil to get more current.
I couldnt get my TIP31C to work on a smaller coil either.
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It must have something to do with the secondary coil size. I tried a smaller coil and had heat issues with the transistor. I'm going to experiment changing around the primary size on my setup. I'm going to give it a helical coil covering 1/3 of the secondary and see what happens.
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It must have something to do with the secondary coil size. I tried a smaller coil and had heat issues with the transistor. I'm going to experiment changing around the primary size on my setup. I'm going to give it a helical coil covering 1/3 of the secondary and see what happens.
My first prototype of the exciter was with a helical primary (4-5 turns) covering the whole of the secondary - and it worked very well.

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