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Old 12-24-2009, 12:18 PM
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@Lidmotor.Great vid.That led bulb looks really bright and interesting that it works without gutting it.Do they work even better,gutted?I will keep my eyes open for one of these
The use of the twin transistors and inline inductor was also interesting.It would be good to get an amp meter on your setup and see what difference adding the inductor and tranny make.
The electricity produced by these devices sure is strange.I would love to show this to my old science teacher.
Also Lidmotor.Was it you who used a 1.5v emergency phone charger in a past vid?I somehow think it was but can't find the vid to review.The reason i ask is i have used one to run the Simple sec/pan oscilator and it works great.Great work.Regards jonny
@All.I have been thinking about running the Simple sec/pan oscilator on low voltage ie 1.5v and after watching slayer use a joulethief to run a sec circuit it stuck in my mind and recently i found one of those emergency mobile phone chargers that run on one AA battery and boosts the voltage up to 5.5v and this will run this circuit great.It will light flurecents with the oscilator only drawing 23mA and the wireless aspect is really good too.
I also think that the reciever part of the wireless setup is as important and tuneable as the transmitter and by adding a trigger transformer to the wireless circuit,led brightness and distance can be substantially increased.
Here is a vid to show you what i mean.Merry christmas.Regards jonny

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Old 12-24-2009, 12:35 PM
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got a video that help with the inducter issue, the stuff yu guys are getting is inside the middle of the wire, if you ad inducters you add the rotation around the wire which is the aggreive part of the two poles.

got so say thankyou for all the work on this

it look easyer now to see the how we can harvest the energy.

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@ jonny - that inductor on receiving coil is vibrating in resonance with the peak RF being broadcast by the transmitting coil. If you had 2 different uh value coils in transmitter and receiver, it should be less bright. Try seeing if 2 of the same receiving inductances draw from each other, they shouldn't.. Just like many tuning forks in sympathetic resonance to one struck by hand. Great work as always!
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Old 12-24-2009, 03:54 PM
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This is an oscillator circuit using two neon lamps, two resistors, and one capacitor.
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@Lidmotor.Great vid.That led bulb looks really bright and interesting that it works without gutting it.Do they work even better,gutted?I will keep my eyes open for one of these
The use of the twin transistors and inline inductor was also interesting.It would be good to get an amp meter on your setup and see what difference adding the inductor and tranny make.
The electricity produced by these devices sure is strange.I would love to show this to my old science teacher.
Also Lidmotor.Was it you who used a 1.5v emergency phone charger in a past vid?I somehow think it was but can't find the vid to review.The reason i ask is i have used one to run the Simple sec/pan oscilator and it works great.Great work.Regards jonny
@All.I have been thinking about running the Simple sec/pan oscilator on low voltage ie 1.5v and after watching slayer use a joulethief to run a sec circuit it stuck in my mind and recently i found one of those emergency mobile phone chargers that run on one AA battery and boosts the voltage up to 5.5v and this will run this circuit great.It will light flurecents with the oscilator only drawing 23mA and the wireless aspect is really good too.
I also think that the reciever part of the wireless setup is as important and tuneable as the transmitter and by adding a trigger transformer to the wireless circuit,led brightness and distance can be substantially increased.
Here is a vid to show you what i mean.Merry christmas.Regards jonny

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@Jonny & All
Here is the video where I showed the one AA cell phone charger as a power source. I just show it breifly and the real purpose of the video was to demonstrate the solar cell phone charger. I will try these out on the pan oscillator. They should work just fine.
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Your latest video is amazing. The wireless circuit with the second trigger coil is a must try.
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Finally got some time to tinker, and I replicated the simple sec flawlessly first try. Very fun and easy circuit! Wireless power with a minimum of parts.

I could lite up 2 47 LED boards and a 30 LED chain, a total of over 120 LEDs off of 12 volts. I will post a video once I film it.

Interesting circuit! I find the loop's position to the coil really matters and changes to the circuit will throw off oscillations and will need another bump. Really touchy, and position / mass tuning instead of a tuning capacitor is interesting. one wire power seems stronger in this configuration then the 18-1 style.

Great simplification! Now its just a matter of time untill everyone has a wireless cell phone charging station.

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played around with the simple SEC this morning. Used dr stifflers sgate instead of the pie pans and it seems to work about the same. You can just touch the 2 ends with your hand to get it going similar to how jonnydavro did in one of his videos.

I wound up a trigger transformer but I think my core material is too large or wrong permeability. 10 turns 20awg, 200 turns 28awg on a ferrite core 1cm by 8 cm.

I'm still getting high voltage off of it, but the wireless field is quite small. Even tried bumping the voltage up to 48v with 3 mpsa06 in parallel. Lasted all of about 10 seconds

Very stable oscillation when looking at it with an oscope. I guessing the core of the trigger transformer plays a big part in the frequency it will oscillate at. Gotta play around some more and see whats up.

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Brightbox

I made a bright box, thank you very much Lidmotor

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126 LED's and counting...
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Now lighting 226. Just added a 100 LED board to the common ... high tension line. 30/47/47/100 and all light.
the 100 panel is difficult and requires a finger to be near, so I belive that LED chains over 50 might have mass issues where some has to be added or removed in spots, while if you stay with 50 led chains or less, then you should be able to add as many as you want.

Works with 2n2222 as well.

Transistor gets really hot though, and I have blown 3 so far. Nothing dramatic, the circuit just stops working. Actually let the genie out of one, put it in backwards...


any ideas (other then lessening input) that might cool transistor? maybe its like the SEC and NEEDS a wireless receiver to cool transistor...
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I made a bright box, thank you very much Lidmotor

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Now lighting 226. Just added a 100 LED board to the common ... high tension line. 30/47/47/100 and all light.
the 100 panel is difficult and requires a finger to be near, so I belive that LED chains over 50 might have mass issues where some has to be added or removed in spots, while if you stay with 50 led chains or less, then you should be able to add as many as you want.

Works with 2n2222 as well.

Transistor gets really hot though, and I have blown 3 so far. Nothing dramatic, the circuit just stops working. Actually let the genie out of one, put it in backwards...


any ideas (other then lessening input) that might cool transistor? maybe its like the SEC and NEEDS a wireless receiver to cool transistor...
Lol, genie = puff, rofl

Try supergluing a foil wing to the transistor and or using 2 transistors, b to b, c to c and e to e

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Old 12-25-2009, 11:52 PM
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Hello gang,

I figured to join in with my observations...

1. I didn't like the loop of wire so I wound a short piece of wire (a few cm of any transformer wire such as AWG 24 etc) around my HV transformer and connected one end to the transistor's base. The other end is not connected anywhere.

Maybe if the other end is connected to the ground, the 1Mohm resistor and push-button might not be necessary for starting the circuit, as it might start on its own. Will give it a try...

2. I couldn't get it to run with 1Mohm resistor at all, it would not start so I used 100Kohm instead. Perhaps it has something to do with my MPSA06, not sure, but I doubt. Maybe it's related to the protoboard...

3. While on the subject of transistors, this circuit is effectively burning out the transistor. If you measure hFE you will see what I mean.
I started with a brand new MPSA06 that had 216 and after one hour of playing it's down to 150. A protection diode might necessary on the base, but upon trying it I could not get it to self-oscillate...needs further testing, though.

4. The effective bandwidth of the circuit (at least here) is about 50MHz, with a peak at around 20MHz and lots of harmonics, looks kinda nice.

5. There's some "funny" business (feedback) going through the power rail. I put a silicone diode on the + supply to block the feedback and circuit would not oscillate for me. Who knows, this might be useful to charge back the battery perhaps?

Anyway, I'll go back to play with it and try some of the above mentioned things.
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1. I didn't like the loop of wire so I wound a short piece of wire (a few cm of any transformer wire such as AWG 24 etc) around my HV transformer and connected one end to the transistor's base. The other end is not connected anywhere.
Ok, the length of wire wound around the HV transformer appears to be affecting the current draw of the circuit. It seems the shorter the wire less current is drawn.
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Ok, the length of wire wound around the HV transformer appears to be affecting the current draw of the circuit. It seems the shorter the wire less current is drawn.
Interesting observation. I shall shorten my wire. The load has an effect on current draw, too.

Interesting thing is I can get my meter to read 0 amps but the transistor still gets really hot.

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I wound up a trigger transformer but I think my core material is too large or wrong permeability. 10 turns 20awg, 200 turns 28awg on a ferrite core 1cm by 8 cm.
I'm still getting high voltage off of it, but the wireless field is quite small. Even tried bumping the voltage up to 48v with 3 mpsa06 in parallel. Lasted all of about 10 seconds
The ohmage of the little yellows I use have ~.4 ohm primary and 19.5 ohm secondary.
Sorry I can not measure inductance now.
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This is wonderful news that people are replicating this so fast----and modifiying it.

@ Jonny
I tried your latest experiment using the second trigger coil on the wireless circuit and I got the same results. I noticed that the arrangement of the pans effected things and the base pan (like you showed) is basically the tuning element of the circuit. Proximity of the base pan to the output pan effects the amp draw. I tried using just round 6" pieces of aluminum foil instead of the pans and got it to work also. Surface area has something to do with this with feedback method I think. The large turkey pans work the best for me so far. More energy output happens for less energy input.
I havn't tried the cell phone charger yet but I ran all my experiment yesterday on 5 volts to see what happened. The circut runs fine on that.

@ Cosmicgnarler
Great video!! Please post it over at my video if you want to. That should inspire others to replicate this and add input. I really liked the piano music. Nice touch.

@Inquorate

Thanks for the tip about crazy gluing an aluminum wing on the transistor for a heat sink. That is a very simple solution to a problem. One of those---"Now why didn't I think of that" solutions.

@Amigo
The feedback wire wrapped around the trigger coil is an interesting idea. I did the same thing on a car ignition coil circuit awhile back using a darlington pair of MPSAO6 transistors. It self-oscillated and ran (dimly) a CFL mounted ontop of the coil. The thing about Jonny's circuit that is very interesting is the "air" feedback link. The signal is actually transmitted and received. Thanks for letting us all know what frequency that this is running at and what the wave form looks like.

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@ jonny - that inductor on receiving coil is vibrating in resonance with the peak RF being broadcast by the transmitting coil. If you had 2 different uh value coils in transmitter and receiver, it should be less bright. Try seeing if 2 of the same receiving inductances draw from each other, they shouldn't.. Just like many tuning forks in sympathetic resonance to one struck by hand. Great work as always!
I think you are right.I tried different inductors and the lights are brighter when the same tigger coils are used for transmitting and recieving..
I also added a 2nd identical recieving circuit and the leds lit up bright on that too.jonny
@Cosmicfarmer.Great video and fantastic light show.WOW.You are very creative both with a camera and electronics.Loved it .
That is a fair number of leds you are lighting and you show the benefit of getting the balance right.One thing i would try though is adding a croc lead with a small metal mass attached to the negative leg of the last led in the string.This should get the 100 led board stable and may make them brighter if thats possible.Jonny
@ mutten.Hi. So glad you are trying this and good idea with the homemade trigger coil and sgate.I may try that too as it seems far easier than joulethief torroid winding which is a pain.See If you can get one from a camera or a 4kv from electronics shop.Jonny
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I tried your latest experiment using the second trigger coil on the wireless circuit and I got the same results. I noticed that the arrangement of the pans effected things and the base pan (like you showed) is basically the tuning element of the circuit. Proximity of the base pan to the output pan effects the amp draw. I tried using just round 6" pieces of aluminum foil instead of the pans and got it to work also. Surface area has something to do with this with feedback method I think. The large turkey pans work the best for me so far. More energy output happens for less energy input.
I havn't tried the cell phone charger yet but I ran all my experiment yesterday on 5 volts to see what happened. The circut runs fine on that.
Thats good news.Thanks for confirmation. The pan positions are important and the base pan amp adjustment makes it tunable which is important in finding the best frequency for light and input power.The alu tuning strips is a good idea and i bet we see some great ideas on this. I too have a greater output with the alu trays but can't fit them all on my worktop so i use the small pots which makes it easy to mess and change things but they still give a good output.
It is great that others are adding their ideas to this and i am amazed by their creativity.
I got some new croc leads for xmas so there is a santa. Regards jonny.
@Amigo.Hi.Welcome and thanks for sharing your experiment and findings with us. I do not have a scope so would you say the waveform is similar to what you would see with a SEC 15 OR is it different again?and what is your input in mA?
Your use of a wire wrap on the hv coil is an interesting trigger method.
With regards to transistors.I am still on my first.I think this is very much like Dr Stifflers SEC 15 with tuning being important as i have found that you can run this circuit on 140mA and the transistor gets hot and then tune it down to say 60mA and the lights are brighter and the transistor is not hot so it is easy to overdrive the transistor for no performance gain.
That "funny" stuff on the positive and negative rails is pretty useful for wireless as it is nearly as strong as the main output so by adding a couple of extra trays you can have a very large field but it would be great if we could figure out a way of utilising it for charging.Happy experimenting.Jonny.
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@ Jonny - good to hear that a second identical receiving circuit doesn't detract from the first

I was thinking about the space requirements of all the trays, and pictured a plastic cd stacker. Or I suppose someone might make a balsa wood tower. One transmitter and several receivers.

It would be interesting to see if we could provide a light tower that self charges with this circuit.
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Simple Field Strength Meter

Not sure if this will help with the ways you are simulating L&C with the Al masses, but if you want to see the effect on the field, here is a cheap and very effective way of doing it. It can also be used to study your field geometry and energy levels and lobes if present.

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Running on a one AA cell phone charger

@ Jonny
I tried my one AA cell phone charger out and it ran the oscillator just fine. Mine has a blue indicator led at the end that lets you know that it is on and it gets brighter when the pan oscillator starts up. The 'back wash' of energy effects the cell phone charger.
I finally got Dr. Stifflers towers to work on this last night and eliminated the pans. I used the tower with the leds on it at the output and the other tower is the base receiver. Tuning is done by moving the towers nearer or further from each other just like with the pans. I still have to jump start it.

@Amigo
I tried the wire wrap around the trigger coil idea and that worked but the amp draw was too high so I didn't go any further with that. Maybe a pot stuck in there would help.

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I'm glad to see you working with this. Without your help way way back, I would not have been able to make my first SEC. You walked me through the steps and and I got there.

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Not sure if this will help with the ways you are simulating L&C with the Al masses, but if you want to see the effect on the field, here is a cheap and very effective way of doing it. It can also be used to study your field geometry and energy levels and lobes if present.

YouTube - DIY Coherence Field Strength Meter
@ dr Stiffler - Thanks for that, I'd not thought to chart or plot the field with a strength meter


- interesting to note that the field effect is polarized, and thus converted by the np of the diode better when it is facing the right direction. I'm still trying to work out why that makes the field stronger beyond that point

@ all - I bet we'd have some success directing the field with a metal slinky mounted on a board
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I took a photo of the spectrum of my circuit - sorry the angle is a bit off. I held the camera a bit high and not dead on, and used macro as I was close to the screen.

This is 5MHz per division, see lots of harmonics, that main peak is around 17-18 MHz, before it was 20 but I might have changed my feedback wire a bit.



In this configuration my current draw is just under 50mA.

This is for now, I'll take more photos tomorrow to show a different setup and different spectrum altogether...
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Would you be willing to post your schematic with the second transitior ?

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I took a photo of the spectrum of my circuit - sorry the angle is a bit off. I held the camera a bit high and not dead on, and used macro as I was close to the screen.

This is 5MHz per division, see lots of harmonics, that main peak is around 17-18 MHz, before it was 20 but I might have changed my feedback wire a bit.



In this configuration my current draw is just under 50mA.

This is for now, I'll take more photos tomorrow to show a different setup and different spectrum altogether...
@amigo, this is great! Question: How does the output bandwidth (in general) compare to an SEC?

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250 transistors showed up at my door

Observations.

I tried wrapping enamel coated magnet wire around the transistor, and oscillations were extremely hard to start and very feeble, dying randomly if I moved it.

Then I used some multi strand radio shack hookup wire that must have about 30 individual wires, and wrapped the same number of times around trigger coil, but further away because of size limitations. Oscillations started up smoother and were stronger, but still feeble.

Then I wrapped the wire around the coil itself after I moved the coil physically to allow room for the wire, and found that oscillations were indeed stronger still and more stable.

Assumptions.

I assume that the stronger the signal your base wire feels from the coil, the stronger ON the transistor goes, with more amp draw and more stability. The less signal received by the wire, the less amp draw and more fickle oscillations.

A sweet spot of distance and wire type must now be figured out.

I think that some distance from the coil is needed to attenuate the signal so amp draw can drop, however too far away and oscillations are finicky. Maybe using multistrand wire one inch away with 5 or so wraps might be in the ballpark we are looking for.

Multistrand wire would be like 20+ parallel wraps adding force together where solid core has less surface area for magnetic field to intersect.

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@amigo, this is great! Question: How does the output bandwidth (in general) compare to an SEC?

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Here's an old photo of the spectrum of the so-called Cool White Spatial Gate circuit.

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Here's an old photo of the spectrum of the so-called Cool White Spatial Gate circuit.

Ok, thanks Amigo. I see the sharp cutoff on the trigger coil circuit at 15-20mhz or so. I guess it remains to be seen if that loss of high frequency RF (beyond 25mhz) is critical.

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I also think that the reciever part of the wireless setup is as important and tuneable as the transmitter and by adding a trigger transformer to the wireless circuit,led brightness and distance can be substantially increased.
Here is a vid to show you what i mean.Merry christmas.Regards jonny

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Nice thread you started here, and lots of findings

I agree with the quote above. With the terms used here:

High Voltage from Thin Air?

The definitions are here:

High Voltage from Thin Air?

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High Voltage from Thin Air?

IMHO you have made a SRPT, a passive SEC repeater not exactly like mine, but the same effect demonstrated, and you have seen the gain, a gain which does not load the transmitter with proper setup.

I'm sorry the video showing my setup is not as educative as the standard seen from e.g. you or Lidmotor, but I think what you and I have seen is the same, and it can be seen on the video. Later I got 7 CFL's on with 1.6W supply to a single transmitter, the rest was "un-powered".

From the Don L Smith thread:
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapter3.pdf

page 3-47 and 3-48

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The key feature of this device is the fact, that any number of receiver coils can be placed anywhere near the transmitter, and each will receive a full electrical pickup from the local environment, without altering the power needed to drive the Tesla coil transmitter.
That is also what I saw and described in the posts mentioned above, just with DrStifflers SECs instead of a Tesla coils..

What could be interesting is to ad a transistor to your receiver shown in your video (to make a SECRPT). I guess you will see the same as me - the SECRPT "refreshes" and extends the excited field. A small base "antenna" to the MPSA06 make it synchronous with the transmitter.

I have taken other tasks now, but I can't help lurking here, as I like the rest of you have spent many hours on this subject.

Let me quote myself once more:
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I agree on the "mass repeaters" or the SECRPT are worth a study. In my last video the leftmost SECRPT wirelessly operated 2 CFLs, and later I got it up to 3 with a nice amount of light. The single powered SECTWR did not increase consumption by adding the SECRPT with CFLs.

I wonder if this is the secret in coming progress, as it may not be limited in voltage swing.

I also wonder if a set of repeaters with a certain shape and positioned in a certain relative pattern may bring more magic along with more electronics.
Maybe one or two insulating rods with "pans" mounted as pearls on a string, masses right size and right number of masses connected appropriately could make a device with nice output. Maybe by adding a simple phase skewing circuit to some of the transistor bases could aid in creating an amplifying geometry of masses.

So several similar SEC circuits (your way or mine) are the way to explore this further.

Eric
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Ok, thanks Amigo. I see the sharp cutoff on the trigger coil circuit at 15-20mhz or so. I guess it remains to be seen if that loss of high frequency RF (beyond 25mhz) is critical.

Dave
Actually I mentioned in my previous post about taking a photo of a different spectrum using this circuit. I haven't had a chance to do that yet but hopefully tomorrow morning I'll make some time and you will see what I mean about "different"...
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Actually I mentioned in my previous post about taking a photo of a different spectrum using this circuit. I haven't had a chance to do that yet but hopefully tomorrow morning I'll make some time and you will see what I mean about "different"...
That's great, can't wait to see it.

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