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Old 02-16-2010, 03:16 AM
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Slayer Exciter using PNP transistor

@ Slayer
I tried a PNP 2N3906 on the circuit and it worked great. This is just like what you did on the SEC 15 ---just switch the input leads and run the circuit backwards.
I looked at it on the scope today and mine runs at about 5 MHz and has a pure sine wave form.
Here is a video of the thing running on a cell phone charger and lighting up FLs:
YouTube - Slayer Exciter using one PNP 3906 transistor.ASF

Cheers,

Lidmotor

PS---Jonny it might be a good idea to put this circuit up front where people could find and then reference it to the page where Slayer started presenting it and all these replications are.
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Old 02-16-2010, 03:41 AM
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GBluer Grounded Exciter Circuit

This is an update on my post 263
Remove the ferrite rod since it only absorb the energy from the coil when fine tuning the fluoro tube must be near the rod to light up bright ly
Tested with welding rod energy again absorbed
Used only L1 and L2
L1 coils touching both sides of the aluminum pan
one 8 W lamp bightly lit up beside L1
3 sets of LEDs
1 Led (6 in series)) on top of L1
7 LEDs in seies ( each 6 in parallel)
connected to 4 LEDs in series ( 10 each in parallel) and not touching L1
The LEDs and cellphone charger are placed inside the pan
Current draw .05 Amperes with recharged(1 hour) Alkaline battery.
Hope this help
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Old 02-16-2010, 12:02 PM
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Grounded Gbluer Exciter Circuit

Attached is the picture of my set up from my post 263 and 272

thanks to all
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Old 02-16-2010, 03:01 PM
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Great Video's Lidmotor and Jonny.
@Totoalas it looks like your having very good results also.

In this video I'm using a pancake coil for L2.
The performance with the pancake coil is very close to my last video.
But it's using about half the current as my last video going by the led indicator light.
And I'm also charging ten other AA batteries while it's running.

Here is the video.
YouTube - Exiter Using Pancake Coil For L2
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Old 02-16-2010, 03:18 PM
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The video doesn't work for me. Others do so I don't think it's a problem on my end.

Edit: I went back later in the day and it worked fine.

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Old 02-17-2010, 04:47 AM
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videos, heating, charging, ....

I had no technical problems watching slayer's latest video and it is well worth watching.
Especially the charging of the battery pack. Wonder how they are connected to the circuit?

I have presently connected a 12 V 45 Ah car battery in place of slayer's cap (between the collector and the "+" side of the circuit) so that it should get charged by the BEMF. Will let you know how this works out.

I also have connected a piece of aluminum pipe to the open end of the long coil (L1) as an "antenna" and this noticeably extends the field. I use a piece of thin wall aluminum exhaust pipe of diameter approx. 6 cm (2.5") , originally used for gas heaters where I live
However, I think the bigger one chooses this "antenna", the more it "loads" the transistor, so the the transistor heating problem comes up.

My N2222s are from STMicroelectronics and come in silver metal casings type TO-18. I have heating problems.
The same transistors also are produced with black TO-92 enclosure. Do these present less of a heating problem?

In case anyone working on this circuit has the possibility to make a video but does not have a youtube account and does not want to create one, I want to offer you to upload your video to my account.
Please PM me, I will send you my login details for youtube so you can upload your video.

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....Do you think its a good idea if i move all the circuit diagrams to the first post on the first page so people can find them easier?
I think that is a good idea.
BTW, jonny, the single wire connection of your "free L2" to a diode bridge, as featured in your video YouTube - slayer sec experiments is nothing else than an AV plug. No?
The points between which you measure the voltage represent the anode and cathode tips of the AV-plug (i.e. its branches) and the coil represents the "tree-trunk", i.e. where the two diodes of the AV-plug meet. Am I wrong?

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Old 02-17-2010, 06:47 AM
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posted a video

Hello every one

just wanted to show you a small video of my Slayer007 sec replication in action. The two lights used were an 8 and 18 watt.

YouTube - 100_0512.MOV
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Old 02-17-2010, 07:42 AM
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BTW, jonny, the single wire connection of your "free L2" to a diode bridge, as featured in your video YouTube - slayer sec experiments is nothing else than an AV plug. Am I wrong?
@Marxist.Hi A bridge rectifier used with just one leg is a ready made,quick and easy AV plug and as we are not dealing with induction,the "pickup coil" may be just as effective with one turn or 10 and maybe we could use more pickup coils.I will test that.Jonny
@Serfer5.Great vid and results and your field is really strong on a 12v gell cell.Nice.jonny.

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Old 02-17-2010, 12:11 PM
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@ Marxist the circuit I posted on the other page is the circut I'm using to charge the batteries.
I have a diode comming off the positive side of the capacitor going to the batteries.
The capacitor is used to help bring the current up to charge the batteries.
The BEMF doesn't have big spike.But it will fill the capacitor to 14.5 v as soon as it's turned on.
Using the BEMF also makes this circuit run more efficient.

@ Serfer5 Great video.
It looks like you have a very strong field around the Exiter.

@All In my last video the setup ran for 4.5 hours.
And charged the batteries up to 13.35 after resting they went down to 13v.
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Old 02-17-2010, 02:10 PM
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pleez ground AV-plug and measure again

Hi slayer007,
thanks for the info about the charging circuit. As I mentioned, I am currently charging a lead acid battery directly in place of the cap.
It seems to work for me, so far, but surely my circuit is not properly tuned for max. fieldstrength which might result in higher BEMF spikes, as the energy has to go somewhere, no?
That would also explain my hot transistor.

Hi jonnydavro,
again regarding your pickup coil from your video YouTube - slayer sec experiments
showing the voltage between the branches of the AV-plug/rectifier.
Could you please make an additional measurement on that setup or on a similar one?
If you ground one side of the AV-plug, lets say the cathode side, and you again measure the voltage between the two branches of the AV-plug, I bet you will measure a higher value than without the grounding.
I tried it and It would be great if you could confirm that.

PS and if you measure the current between the points in question across a resistor, you will also measure a stronger current when one branch is grounded. Wonder if you and the other guys can verify that effect.

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Old 02-17-2010, 02:25 PM
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@ slayer007 and jonnydavro
@ all

thank you for the replies to my video, feed back is always appreciated.
you might call it a brute force SEC at 12v 140ma, 180ma when the tube touches the sec. BTW i have a piece of aluminum foil between the two coils for the bright light when i touch the sec.
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Hi folks, hi serfer5, nice vid. I'm surprised you got the 3055 transistor to oscillate, i tried with the 2n3055 and it would not fire up, maybe it needs 12volts to do so, also is that transistor rated for such high frequencies.
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Old 02-17-2010, 06:02 PM
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Hi folks, hi serfer5, nice vid. I'm surprised you got the 3055 transistor to oscillate, i tried with the 2n3055 and it would not fire up, maybe it needs 12volts to do so, also is that transistor rated for such high frequencies.
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Hi skywatcher

i did try the 2n3055 with no luck, but i also had no luck with the tip3055 until i used the 12 volts. maybe a higher voltage is needed for the 2n3055. not sure on the frequency part.
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Old 02-17-2010, 11:20 PM
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Hi folks, i'm using 2 - 2n3906 pnp's using 12 volts and i noticed that with tuning i could remove most of the heat from transistors and also noticed that it likes bigger flouro tubes, the one in my pic is a small one 8 inches long from a camping light and i just picked up a few larger tubes from the surplus shop that are 15 watt westinghouse 17 inches long, for 90 cents a piece and i can light the whole tube to maybe 1/4 brightness. but it is outputting much more light than the smaller tube since larger tube has more gas to convert to light.
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Old 02-18-2010, 02:18 AM
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More fun with water

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I got one of my little spinning top pulse motors to run off the energy coming out of the water glass.

YouTube - Slayer Exciter runs pulse motor out of water glass.ASF

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Old 02-18-2010, 11:48 AM
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@ Lidmotor Nice video.
You should also try collecting your BEMF to charge other batteries.
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Old 02-18-2010, 01:44 PM
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Nice vid Lidmotor

maybe you could add the two diodes and a tail to Maggy so she can do both modes.
last night after changing a few things i powered the sec with a joule thief on two AA batteries and went back to the 12 volt and lit the flo tube at 10ma.
I like the idea of the electrolysis, maybe we can make a wireless fuel cell.

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Old 02-18-2010, 04:05 PM
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@Lidmotor.Nice vid Lid .Quite a few people have been asking recently if these circuits will run motors so this answers that one.
@All.i did an experiment with slayers circuit today but used a slinky spring as a variable L2 coil and i lit a fluorecent tube by wrapping a coil around the tube and fed the hv from L1 through that.Here is a vid.Jonny .
YouTube - slayer sec with slinky L2 coil
@Marxist.I will check that av test out and get back.jonny
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Old 02-18-2010, 04:59 PM
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@Lidmotor.Nice vid Lid .Quite a few people have been asking recently if these circuits will run motors so this answers that one.
@All.i did an experiment with slayers circuit today but used a slinky spring as a variable L2 coil and i lit a fluorecent tube by wrapping a coil around the tube and fed the hv from L1 through that.Here is a vid.Jonny .
YouTube - slayer sec with slinky L2 coil
@Marxist.I will check that av test out and get back.jonny
Excellent idea with the slinky Jonny.

Someone also asked me about a Rodin coil.I wounder how that would work for L2.
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Old 02-18-2010, 07:05 PM
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In this video I just wanted to show that size does matter. And also show how you can collect power from the cell phone charger. Also the importance of collecting the BEMF from the L2 coil. When collecting the BEMF the circuit will run more efficient.

I'll upload the circuit I'm using later today with the coil specs.

Here is the video.

YouTube - Does size matter N Collect power from cell phone charger
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Old 02-19-2010, 02:27 AM
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Building BIGGER coil & ran out of wire

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In this video I just wanted to show that size does matter. And also show how you can collect power from the cell phone charger. Also the importance of collecting the BEMF from the L2 coil. When collecting the BEMF the circuit will run more efficient.

I'll upload the circuit I'm using later today with the coil specs.

Here is the video.

YouTube - Does size matter N Collect power from cell phone charger
I started building a bigger coil today and ran out of wire. I put 10 turns of 22ga on L2 and got it to work anyway.
Here it is lighting up the big FL tubes. I used a pair of 2N3906s with a heat sink and ran it on 12 volts.
YouTube - Slayer Exciter with BIGGER coil.ASF

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good job on your latest videos Slayer Lidmotor and Jonny,
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joule thief coupled to a 2s naudin generator

Guys
take a look at this. Is it possible to use a 555 circuit powered though a joule thief and connect up to this generator to get a zero drop in power to light up an led?
2SGen, an amazing tiny Solid State Generator by JL Naudin
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please confirm ground connection

At the moment my attempt to charge a 12 volt lead-acid battery is not going as I would wish for. There is voltage available, but I don't get a charging effect.
Will try to improve the setup.

@slayer007,
thanks for your work and videos.
In the last circuit you published, which is the one here
posting #261
you drew the symbol for a ground connection on the minus side.

Do you really have the minus of the cell phone charger connected to ground or is the circuit "free floating"?
And:
if you usually have a ground connection and then disconnect the ground - just as an additional test - does that make a difference regarding
a) cap charging ?
b) battery charging ?
c) and size and strength of field ?

@ serfer5,
thanks for showing your 12V setup with the tip3055:
do you run it with the base resistor in place or without a resistor at the transistor base?
Will it keep running if you pull the resistor?

(I generally run my 5V setup without a base resistor. I just touch the open end of the base resistor to jump start, if necessary.)

Sorry for being a nuisance.

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At the moment my attempt to charge a 12 volt lead-acid battery is not going as I would wish for. There is voltage available, but I don't get a charging effect.
Will try to improve the setup.

@slayer007,
thanks for your work and videos.
In the last circuit you published, which is the one here
posting #261
you drew the symbol for a ground connection on the minus side.

Do you really have the minus of the cell phone charger connected to ground or is the circuit "free floating"?
And:
if you usually have a ground connection and then disconnect the ground - just as an additional test - does that make a difference regarding
a) cap charging ?
b) battery charging ?
c) and size and strength of field ?

@ serfer5,
thanks for showing your 12V setup with the tip3055:
do you run it with the base resistor in place or without a resistor at the transistor base?
Will it keep running if you pull the resistor?

(I generally run my 5V setup without a base resistor. I just touch the open end of the base resistor to jump start, if necessary.)

Sorry for being a nuisance.
Marxist the Ground in the circuit it just the negative on the cell phone charger.
It's not an Earth Ground.

Lidmotor I to ran out of wire I had just enought to finish the bigger coil.
When I get more wire I'd like to try even BIGGER size coils.
It's hard to believe that the bigger coil is using less current than the smaller one.
And putting out twice the power at the same time.And the transistors don't even get worm with all this going on.

I'll upload the circuit I'm using in the video later today.

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Old 02-19-2010, 02:17 PM
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Here is the circuit I used in my last video.
It will run with a 1.5v up to 6v with the coil configuration.

Next I'll try a 6" diameter coil and see if I get better results.
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Old 02-19-2010, 02:35 PM
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@ serfer5,
thanks for showing your 12V setup with the tip3055:
do you run it with the base resistor in place or without a resistor at the transistor base?
Will it keep running if you pull the resistor?

(I generally run my 5V setup without a base resistor. I just touch the open end of the base resistor to jump start, if necessary.)

Sorry for being a nuisance.
Hi Marxist
on my setup if L2 is all the way to the left of L1 you are drawing very low power and a resistor helps to keep the circuit on but if L2 is to the right of L1 then the circuit starts up with out base resistor. but this also depends on the number of turns on and maybe size of wire on L2. for instance, with 16 turns of 18ga wire you will need a resistor for start but an L2 with 10 turns of 18ga will not because the less turns you have the more power you draw. I used two 100k resistors for 200k on the base.

sorry for the run on sentence

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Old 02-19-2010, 04:56 PM
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This reverse diode thing is just the tip of the iceberg.
I have the big capacitor connected to 10 AA thru a diode.
The voltage in the cap under load is 14.4v.
But if you connect two more reverse diodes to that there is 39v comming from the diodes.
Also the same can be done with the 10 AA batteries charging.
By connecting the diodes in reverse polarity you can pull power from the batteries being charged.
You should be able to keep doing this.String battery pack after battery pack till finaly the fields runs out.
And still get light.
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Old 02-19-2010, 05:29 PM
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Here is a short video to explain.
The voltage comming off the capacitor was 39v thru the reverse diodes.
After charging the 6v battery with the reverse diodes the voltage went up to over 50v thru the reverse diodes.
It seems the more you add the stonger the field gets.

Here is the video.

YouTube - Exiter With Reverse Diodes.mov
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Old 02-19-2010, 08:34 PM
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take a look at this. Is it possible to use a 555 circuit powered though a joule thief and connect up to this generator to get a zero drop in power to light up an led?
2SGen, an amazing tiny Solid State Generator by JL Naudin
Looks like a jule theif. Jule theif has two wires three ends, and resonates at a very high frequency around a common iron ferrite toroid core. JLN's toroid is single wraped and pulsed at a mere 200 hz, close to the natural oscillating frequency of magnatisem around a special soft ferro magnetic toroid core. Power is generated from a propagated magnetic field flip in the nanocrystaline toroid. Even though close in appearance, it has nothing at all in common with jule thief.

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