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Old 10-17-2009, 05:30 PM
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Donald Smith Devices too good to be true

I have been devoted past week at studying Donanld Smith's devices and theories.
This man seems serious and claims that overunity or an extraordinary energy gain can be achieved with moderate means.

One device illustrated, and as claime, it was presented at a Tesla symposium, it was the image below.

Don Smith claims that a high frequency alternating current could be modified in frequency by the application of a resistor, a capacitor or perhaps a coil (choke) wired in parallel to the initial HF source.

Does it tell anything to anyone that? Is it makes any sense? That illustration uses a 12 volt powered Neon Sign Transfromer to charge 8000uF caps at 400 volts or so.

LOL? how the... can it be? Is the man heavily miscalculating or is there any explaination to this?

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Old 10-17-2009, 10:08 PM
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IMHO from all I learned lately from varous patents and other documents (freely available btw) - this is all true. But things are not quite as clear as Smith talks and you should be very clever and think extraordinary.
Actually I failed to understand it completely because I have no schematic of his inverter and neon sign transformer.
You see, there is no element in Don Smith circuits which can be replaced by similar on the shelf part - they simply work as a complete device ALL TOGETHER. Something like Tesla circuits which depends on total inductance of circuit or total wire length. Don Smith is right at one statement - his circuits HAVE to BE RETUNED each time.
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Old 10-17-2009, 11:59 PM
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You need to get Don Smiths video, there is alot of good information there.

There are supposed replications of Dons work across the globe, Tariel Kapanadze is one chap who seems to have done it.
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Old 10-28-2009, 02:27 AM
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I find it funny how 23 years ago he had a 50kW table top model and yet as of today his technology is unknown. When will these "inventors" notice the pattern.

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Old 10-28-2009, 12:19 PM
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if you get the point of what Don smith says is the following:

" Any kind of flux inducing transformer, at resonance or not, at high frequencies is always OU at tremendous amounts of energy, if captured of course."

Same thing claims Kapanadze technology or even a group of Georgians in a amateure video that light some lamps with Tesla like equipment..

The point is the procedure is either proprietary and not spoken out or just random puplicity craving hoaxes.

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If WE build it they will come....

I have been seriously thinking about Don Smiths devices and am in the process of building the simple one he begins to explain how to build at the end of video 4
YouTube - Donald L Smith Device 4 Of 5 and in video 5.
My parts list is as follows
One 12 volt 7 1/2 amp hour battery
One 12 to 120 volt inverter
One high voltage module
One Spark Gap
Two Coils
Capicators
A couple diaodes
One resister (value yet to be determined)
One 120 volt isolation transformer
One Veracter
One CRV meter and several analogue and digital meters/

Some of my parts I won't be able to get until next Tuesday, so I am working on what I can for now.

I spent most of my morning designing and building my coils per his instructions. The larger coil has ten windings spaced about 1/4 of an inch apart. The smaller coil is exactly five times the length of the wire in the larger coil. My concern with my current design is that there is too much distance between the larger coil and the smaller coil, but I will try it as is and figure out a way to modify it in the future. I already have a couple ideas on how to do that with my existing materials, but that can wait

The tricky part of the whole thing, according to Mr. Smith is that the smaller (in diameter) coil needs to be a multiple (in length of wire) of the larger (in diameter)coil, and that the resistor between the two input wires of the isolation transformer must be exactly correct. To get the correct resistor, do the following:

Since the transformer needs to operate at 120 cycles, you need to measure the inductance across the input side of the transformer in henries using a LCR meter. Using the "Handbook of Electronic Tables" ISBN number 0-672=22469-0 plot your reading in henries and 120 Hertz (what you want it to operate at) on the chart. Connect them with a line. Where that line crosses the farad and ohms line, see what the resistance is that you need for this particular circuit.

According to him, this particular device does NOT have to be tuned as do some of his larger ones, which is what makes it so simple. Just wire it up the way he describes and see what happens.

Wish me luck, and I'll keep you informed on what happens, provided I don't blow myself up in the process.
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[quote]" Any kind of flux inducing transformer, at resonance or not, at high frequencies is always OU at tremendous amounts of energy, if captured of course."/QUOTE]

baroutologos,

Ill show you what he is talking about. Have a look at this link, lets take the very first transformer on the page, its similar to the one he is using. We are going to do some very simple power calculations VxI=Watts
Ventex

the VT 1510-12

Input
12V 650ma
12X0.650= 7.8watts

Output
1500V 10ma
1500X0.010=15watts

Input 7.8W
output 15W

There you have it, all you have to do is the calculations, thats what he is talking about.
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I have been seriously thinking about Don Smiths devices and am in the process of building the simple one he begins to explain how to build at the end of video 4
YouTube - Donald L Smith Device 4 Of 5 and in video 5.
My parts list is as follows
One 12 volt 7 1/2 amp hour battery
One 12 to 120 volt inverter
One high voltage module
One Spark Gap
Two Coils
Capicators
A couple diaodes
One resister (value yet to be determined)
One 120 volt isolation transformer
One Veracter
One CRV meter and several analogue and digital meters/

Some of my parts I won't be able to get until next Tuesday, so I am working on what I can for now.

I spent most of my morning designing and building my coils per his instructions. The larger coil has ten windings spaced about 1/4 of an inch apart. The smaller coil is exactly five times the length of the wire in the larger coil. My concern with my current design is that there is too much distance between the larger coil and the smaller coil, but I will try it as is and figure out a way to modify it in the future. I already have a couple ideas on how to do that with my existing materials, but that can wait

The tricky part of the whole thing, according to Mr. Smith is that the smaller (in diameter) coil needs to be a multiple (in length of wire) of the larger (in diameter)coil, and that the resistor between the two input wires of the isolation transformer must be exactly correct. To get the correct resistor, do the following:

Since the transformer needs to operate at 120 cycles, you need to measure the inductance across the input side of the transformer in henries using a LCR meter. Using the "Handbook of Electronic Tables" ISBN number 0-672=22469-0 plot your reading in henries and 120 Hertz (what you want it to operate at) on the chart. Connect them with a line. Where that line crosses the farad and ohms line, see what the resistance is that you need for this particular circuit.

According to him, this particular device does NOT have to be tuned as do some of his larger ones, which is what makes it so simple. Just wire it up the way he describes and see what happens.

Wish me luck, and I'll keep you informed on what happens, provided I don't blow myself up in the process.
Waiting on the seat of my pants with much interest. Thankyou for trailblazing on this forum.

Love and light
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Old 11-14-2009, 06:49 AM
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@ Cody

Man, this is a common mistake many people do calculating power out of specific coil arrangements.
When the manufacturer talks about voltage e.g 10Kv it mentions it at a open circuit (not working) across the leads.
When the manufacturer talks about current he talks about a dead short. Not under load applied. So it is quite misleading to calculate performance like that.

...
example 1
In too many generators i made, open circuit voltage was 400volts, short current 0.4 amps. The actual performance of my design was nowhere near 160watts. actually somewhere 15-30 watts.

example 2
My ignition coil has a open circuit voltage 40Kv. (i can assure for that ) whereas a dead short current around 20mA. (i put a 20 mA bulb and light same brightens as same miliamps at 12volts)

This means it outputs 800 watts? I can assure you not.

Baroutologos

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Old 11-14-2009, 08:50 AM
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@ Cody

Man, this is a common mistake many people do calculating power out of specific coil arrangements.
When the manufacturer talks about voltage e.g 10Kv it mentions it at a open circuit (not working) across the leads.
When the manufacturer talks about current he talks about a dead short. Not under load applied. So it is quite misleading to calculate performance like that.

...
example 1
In too many generators i made, open circuit voltage was 400volts, short current 0.4 amps. The actual performance of my design was nowhere near 160watts. actually somewhere 15-30 watts.

example 2
My ignition coil has a open circuit voltage 40Kv. (i can assure for that ) whereas a dead short current around 20mA. (i put a 20 mA bulb and light same brightens as same miliamps at 12volts)

This means it outputs 800 watts? I can assure you not.

Baroutologos

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EXACTLY. You should use open circuit and all click in place . Proof that Tesla coil produce radiant energy :
:: RuTube

(russian video) Keep attention to "device" put on top of TC - it's variation of Tesla radiant energy patent
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Old 11-14-2009, 02:15 PM
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Hello Bogus,

If you have ever saw Eric Dollard explaining the electricity's states it could be sumurized to four basic.

a) Direct current electricity
b) Alternating current electrcicty
c) Oscillating current (displacement) electricity
d) Pulsed electricity

Tesla coils or anything operating at Radio frequency, the current actually is of oscillating nature and does not require normal ground (return wire) as first (a+b) states do.
i have some experience myself based on Dr Sifler's SEC and i can proudly say that even me have attended one wire power trasnfer to power loads. period.
...

The video concerned is Russian and cannot understand a word.

I see a Tesla coil operated by a transistor? having a primary / secondary with a topload a metal cup. A wire is connected to the cup. Inside the cap is fitted a 2,5 or 25 uf , 500vac cap in series to a 100 watts lamp (more or less) and afterwords going down to primary coil (ground reference).
The lamp lights brightly.

Apart from the nice conversion of the Tesla coil's secondary to light a bulb is there any reference of efficiency?

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TURION,

good luck, i'll be paying close attention to what results you statr getting.

David. D
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Old 11-14-2009, 09:52 PM
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Don Smith replication

I have a buddy in a far off land who I have been e-mailing for a while now discussing this stuff, and he is hooked on what Don Smith has to say in his videos. We have tried to find any replications of his work anywhere on the internet, but so far no luck. I do know that he has given his devices to others for testing, including (I believe from something I read) Eric Dollard. Anyway, working on primary and secondary coil today and rest of parts should be in by Tuesday, so by Wednesday I will post my results here.

Hope some of you out there will also give this a try. I'd be interested in comparing notes, especially if anything "good" happens.
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Oops!

Chek out this link. May be why I cant find anyone trying to replicate his results.
ZPEnergy.com - Do you think Smith has a point? (Zero Point ?;-)
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Intro from me/ continuing research

To everyone in this discussion,

I have been compiling notes and building the plasm globe device of Don Smiths. Literally thousands of hours.

I have a pdf of the notes if anyone is interrested. It is caled My replication journal. Even though it is not finished I have read between the lines and have cleared up some misteries.

This is a new field for me so buying the various test equipment is necessary.


I will bring results when I am finished.

Keep up the good fight.
All electricty is free. I believe Don has figured out how to find it!

Please feel free to contact me directly. I want to build a network of individuals who will be dedicated to this endevor.

Steady focus and determination rules. Not the nay sayers!
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Old 11-25-2009, 07:08 PM
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h2ocommuter,

I am interested in hearing your results. Ive started the plasma globe replication too. What have you got so far?
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My progress....

Hi Cody,
Everything I have compiled is in the PDF I have put together,
except the minutia. I have gone through lots of material. But still there is so much out there.

I bought the plasma globe "Illuma storm" from an e-bay sale, I got the speaker wire that has something like 488 strands in each lead. I wound 14 turns on a 7" PVC pipe, I got a 7,000 to 12,000 KV isolation transformer from another e-bay sale., I just missed three great sales for the Caps. these monsters are kind of illusive. I may have to build my own or I may build it with no caps. I still need to find the right Varistor and the two different kinds of spark gaps ( I think I will use spark plugs anyway. I have a circuit breaker box that is adequate but I would like to find one with a PG&E meter .

I have been ordering meters right and left... I got and electrostatic volt meter that will measure from 1 Volt to 100,000 Volts, I am bidding on a gauss meter now, I hope I win. If you dig deep in Dons writings this value starts at the gieger counter values; .1 Gamma! OMG, I have purchased a frequency meter, and two LCR meters trying to save money, Any way I am in the hunt.
If you would like a copy of my replication journal I will attach it. on reply.

Zane.

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Sounds like we are right about at the same place on the build, except i havnt ordered all those meters, but i would like to I was intending to use a spark plug for the spark gap too. It should probally be a plug that dosnt have a resistor in it or one with the resistor removed. I would say that the capacitors are an important part of the circuit and would suggest not leaving them out, but it wont hurt to play around of course. I think that there is a big typo in the pdf with the plasma globe instructions. It states that smith uses more than 2 30uf caps rated at 4000V. There is no way thats right, if you look at the picture of his globe you will see 4 small caps that are no were near big enough to meat those specs. If you have done any work with tesla coils you will know the huge difference adding capacitance to the spark gap makes. I would love to see your pdf.

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PDF Disclaimer

I am reevaluating these words continually, so by the end of the day I will have probably chainged something.

This copy of my pdf is not to be used as an authority or attested to in any such way.

I hope everyone who uses it will keep my personal information private.

Just let me know if you are using it. Send me an e-mail and I will send you any new copies. When my device is working I will supply you with a completed copy including pictures and such.

Lastly, I encourage your personal input to this pdf. Anywhere I have left somthing out your helpfull input would add to the validity.

Stand tall deliver with honor.

Thanks

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Old 11-25-2009, 10:59 PM
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needless to say, i am interested as hell to see results.

baroutologos

ps: one minor observation of mine regarding usina a Tesla coil and ground. Maybe something, maybe nothing..
Ground enhanced lit lamps - Tesla Coil and Ground

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Capacitors in plasma globe Picture

This thing keeps bugging me. I too have had questions about what you said, so I went to Cornell Dubilier Electronics, Inc. - Your Source for Capacitor Solutions
This is the direct supplier of some of Don's Caps and other related supplies.

I talked to an engineer there, he sent me a CD of the caps they make there.
I am not quite ready for a total emersion on this subject just yet. I will soon after my test equipment comes in. My anxiety is quite high. Also, I am trying to beat out everyone on the gauss meter auction.

I know absolutely nothing about what I am doing in this field. I am simply trying to read the directions and construct an assembly process.

As you have probably noticed by now my referances are different from yours.
more than two 5,000 V or more and 34 uF as many uF as possible which facilitates easier manipulation of frequency with the resistor.

It states that smith uses more than 2 30uf caps rated at 4000V.
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Ok....You caught me there
I think out references are the same, i just didnt feel like looking up the exact specs, but i knew it was in that ballpark range. Regardless, my point was simply that those specs can not be correct. Try to find a cap that meets those specs, you probally wont find it, and if you do it will be pretty big. Much bigger than the four small caps you can see in the picture of dons device here (Page 101 in the big picture)
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Smith.pdf

More likely the caps are more like 0.34uf or even 0.034uf

Wow you have a ton of stuff in that pdf. Good stuff. I noticed at the end that you have also noticed the caps on dons picture, yes those are capacitors in the picture. You were wondering weather to use a series or parallel configuration. Its too hard to see in the picture which way he has it wired. But if he is correct in that the globe is putting of 40,000V then i would imagine that they are wired in series to give them a higher voltage rating.
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Old 11-27-2009, 07:37 AM
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Caps /uF?s

Cody,

Thank you for reading through my doc.
I have wrestled with understanding that a lot.

I think I may be building my own so I will start with .034 uF and see what that will do for storage. See if I can get the timming down to 60 or 120 Hz.
I'll put the spark gap in and try one with grounding and one without on the L-2 and see what the readings come out like. Freq. volts and gamma. All I need is 24 gamma. I'll have to order the resistor for L-2. and the IT. I am going to stuff 240 volts into my IT so this operation is not going to be a joke.
I don't have any varistors yet and I have to get the circuit breaker box wired up also. for this thing to be clean. I think I can use only one ground rod for the whole thing. Don did with the briefcase and it has what 5 or 6 grounds connections. Varistors, timming things, and whatever connected there.

Crudely lets look at this, My output transformer will handle between 9 and 16 HP, per watt measurment "734 watts". That is a pretty good rating.
If Don's writing is correct, lets say 600 joules each cap, lets say three.
The kenetic energy in each one of these caps is equal to a 45 calliber shell being fired. pritty high. yea that only equates to about 1800 volts for the storage tank. excluding the L-1. I just do not know yet.
Then lets look at the 40,000 volts. When I get my gauss meter and Electrostatic voltmeter and learn how to use them, I'll be ahead of the curve.
To me, thoes seem to all be kind of equal?
I do not know.

I have to build the caps first, then I will have a better Idea how things work.

I'll say it here because it is not in the doc. yet. Don states, it is our ignorance of measuring electrostatic voltages and gauss readings that is lacking in our understanding of electricty. I may need to buy the book he referanced on the subject before I can figure it out, we'll see.


Did you get an Illuma storm?

ok buddie thanks again

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No i dont have the Illum storm, mine is called the electrostorm. Yours is probably superior because i dont have tuning pots on mine, but its what i had. Making capacitors or just ripping apart some caps found in junk electronics is a great way to understand what capacitors are. But i dont know if i would suggest making them for this build. manufactured caps are guaranteed to be withing a certain accuracy, and a cap around .034uf @ 5000V should be easy enough to find and relatively cheap too. Just look on ebay for oh like tesla capacitors or something like that. You should come up with a whole list of caps commonly used in tesla coils. You will probably want a self healing cap, that way if you expose it to too much voltage, it will still be good. But if you still want to try making one for this project, i would recommend a saltwater capacitor. Those are commonly made for these high voltage projects, ive done it before, its not to hard.
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Old 11-27-2009, 08:50 PM
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The problem with this plasma bulb device are :
1 . There is something hidden below metalic box where wires from coil on top of plasma globe are connected.I assume this is Wheatstone bridge of diodes.
2. Who said this coil is wound on plastic ring ? Don ? What if that's steel painted ? Is that possible ?
3. There is missing a lot of informations , for example entire output stage.I don't believe that all you have to do is to connect load directly to capacitors
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What is that?

1. Yes I agree, There are some questions about that thing. Looks like a what?
I think a wheatstone bridge is a air cap for radio freq tuning. Hummm. That kinda makes a lot of sense! Wow. This may be a way to tune Cody's Plasma too.

2. I grabbed all the related information about the last of the generator circuit from all the information I could find. I put it all in My Replication Journal PDF Page 25

3. I had wrestled with that many times. I thought about contacting Patrick Kelly for a couple of weeks about the phrase "on the circuits page". I decided not to because Don had mentioned Nicola Tesla's book By Thomas Commerford Martin, these are directly from that book. I figured came from Don himself.
Also, every device Don has displayed, nearly everything Nicola Tesla did used caps, spark gaps and a transformer or two. To me this all fits nicely. Again pg 25

I.ll send and updated version "My Replication Journal PDF". I am not changing the name, you do it to keep them seperate if you like. Let me know if it's becomming any help to you.

Thank you for the comment.



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boguslaw,
well i dont know about something thats hidden, weather or not thats true... your guess is as good as mine

Its written right in the pdf to wire the coil on 5-7 inch pvc, I dont think steel would be any good because we are dealing with high frequency.

For the output section, the pdf directs you to a tesla circuit lower down on the pdf. I think its pretty well described right in the pdf, its just not completely spoon fed, you got to think about it a bit and do some research. As most tesla based things, there is an issue of tuning things. Might be a good opportunity to learn some new stuff. Its probably going to come down to someone actually throwing this thing together and messing around with it a bit before we really know anything. Im getting closer to getting it together, but ive been really busy, ill do some more work on it tonight.
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One mysterious question i had, seems that can be addressed.

Experiments with a Tesla Coil, shows how a high voltage, (high frequency), low current (top of TC) can be "transformed" via capacitative coupling to lower voltage, higher current without spark gaps etc ect.

see... Google eviri

How the heck does it happens??
weird huh?


Now remains my second question regarding Don Smith's sayings to be addressed. How a resistor or LR can adjust frequency...

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How a resistor or LR can adjust frequency...
Any LR circuit which is driven by an alternating source, will
show a trough in its graph of current v. frequency.
That frequency will be the most efficient, the resonant
frequency; the frequency that the circuit best behaves at.
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Does anybody have a video of a Don Smith device running?

I've heard him talk, seen some diagrams, and
seen some models, but has anybody actually seen
one of his devices running?
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