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Old 08-21-2011, 07:23 PM
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Hi Paul!
i have updated the circuit without 555 modulator circuit. check it out.

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Hi Zilano,

Yes , that looks a bit simpler.---So for 120v/60hz. Are the turns ratio s of the modulating coil and the other two newer coils with it are going to be slightly different?? like 120 turns instead of 230 turns on that one ??

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Old 08-21-2011, 11:24 PM
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i think what he means is that it is completely off the grid because of the loopback... therefore... it's the cheapest. :-)
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Old 08-22-2011, 12:01 AM
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go through my posts and download handbook of electronic tables and go to page 38

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Hi Zilzno

Page 38 is a blank page in my hard copy

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Old 08-22-2011, 12:32 AM
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Zilano's L1 is 80 turns of 2". His L2 is 5 cw + 5ccw turns of 3". He is tuning with caps, rather than depending on natural coil resonance. This has been covered elsewhere in the thread.
Hi LTBOLO

80 turns is for what kapanadze did

i am trying to find L1 of Don Device.

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Old 08-22-2011, 01:47 AM
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Zilzno,
Would you post your flyback build?
Hard to find 35kHz unit.
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Old 08-22-2011, 03:08 AM
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That step down transformer looks like a step up transformer. Primary has 100 turns, and output secondary has 230 turns ?
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Old 08-22-2011, 03:11 AM
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Flyback build

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Yes please post your fly back circuit with number of winds and parts.

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Hi Guys,

For the flyback build, please go to page 3 of this forum -post #67 -Zilano explains the build there -then go to post # 75(same page) for the schematic --it's the middle one of the 5 thumbnail attachments. --then you can go to post #78 (same page-page 3) and you can see that circuit being utilized.
I hope that helps --good luck--Paul
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Old 08-22-2011, 04:01 AM
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thx. agree.
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Old 08-22-2011, 07:14 AM
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hI folks!

final and cheapest circuit attached.

easily replicable

and much cheaper with and without 555 modulator circuit.USE SINEWAVE INVERTOR TO FEED SINEWAVE IN MODULATOR COIL SO U GET SINEWAVE OUTPUT.


best wishes! to all!

thanks for ur cooperation.

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zilano zeis zane!
Hi Mr Zilano,

I tried similar circuit about week ago, there is convincing output but can't find any OU yet, maybe tuning required, please check!

applying modulator ckt

BTW, how you wound your customized HV with that 4000 turns secondary? Did you use partition?



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Old 08-22-2011, 07:21 AM
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Mr Zilano,

Please check also the attached pict.

• I have this picture of Don’s device long time ago but if you take a closer look to the picture, it’s look like that the circuit you are referring to us has a little difference, please compare.

• About the HV, you mentioned that you’ve made a customized NST and the winding output appears to be 4,000 turns. Did you use partitions on that output or anything?

• Let’s imagine that we just wound only primary coil without secondary. You told that the “Spark Gap” must be connected in parallel with the Primary Coil, do you think the spark gap will still spark if there is no secondary winding?

• You mentioned some danger on using TV flybacks because of its extremely high voltage output. Yes, I am with you but it will happen only if we will use it on the standard supply voltage of TV or Computer flyback’s B+ on the range of 90~115V DC. Do you think it will still give an output of the same if we will just use it on 12VDC?

• Don’s winding coils have no insulations at all, do you think the normal stranded wires with insulation sleeve will work too like TK device that shown in many of his vids that it appears that he is just using a normal household wirings.

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Old 08-22-2011, 07:59 AM
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And my question is: are we using transverse resonance freq or are we using longitudional resonance freq of primary.

I'm reading stuff from Dr. Meyl and these two give different phases of magnetic and electric fields. The longitudional gives no transmission losses. But the transverse one is a side effect of the longitudional. tesla uses the longitudional version because thats the one without losses. But we are in the near field so maybe it doesn't matter. Any thoughts on that?

I'm still guessing if the First part of the secondary coil uses also a capacitor to change the phase of the current to create usable watts.
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Old 08-22-2011, 10:01 AM
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well i dont know abt that stuff. all i get is power and i dont care wot gives me. but i feel resonance is the key.

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Lol, that is the most important factor
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Old 08-22-2011, 10:15 AM
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Hi
we r using RF SO WE R USING TRANSVERSE WAVES creating standing waves at resonance. thats wot tesla did.we r definitely not using scalar waves here coz then our coils wud be in the shape of number 8.
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A scalar wave is a standing wave if i'm understanding correctly.
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Old 08-22-2011, 06:16 PM
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Hi pinoy_tech!

i saw ur video its good. but try resonance output and u will gain considerably.

we use dual diodes and dual caps to match the required one.

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zzz
Mr zilano,

Thanks for the reply... another inquiry is from the attached pict. I just observed it and got a little confusion. The 230V from inverter output is directly connected to 25T modulator coil which I think a very low reactance. Do you think is it not a short circuit to the inverter?

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Old 08-22-2011, 06:52 PM
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Hi Mike!

see my last post and u will have cheapest power 50 hz ac 230 volt. easily replicable.

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zilano zeis zane!
Hi Zilano

You took out ALL the capacitors! This is completely new design.

Is this circuit you are using in your 10kw unit to power your house? Please show your 5-10kw circuit that you are using to power your house!

Cheers Mike
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Old 08-22-2011, 07:38 PM
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But circuit is new. just for save money for everybody
Zilano use circuit with frequence change resister and capacitors he post earlier and said it.
Donald Smith Devices too good to be true

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Hi there!

those who dont agree with the R. CAN bridge and use push-pull transformer with 12/24v dc and chime the output and brighten their lamps with no hassles of learning reactance charts and understanding !
although i use resistor and it saved me from a bunch of circuit.

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Old 08-22-2011, 08:05 PM
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Hi Zilano
In thread #4 post 118 You wrote " I have both in my setup and am fine with output. Am using it for my home. A 10kw unit 220-250 volt 50 hz sine wave. Am happy with it."
Do you have a picture of the unit u run your house on?
Your output transformer winds are wrong. Stepping down 60kv with 100 turns on primary and having 230 turns secondary to get 230 volts out? Not going to happen.
Low turns primary high turns secondary= step up volts.
High turns primary low turns secondary= step down volts.
If you add that 230 volt 60 hz signal to that 25 turn modulator coil on that stepdown output transformer your going to get a lot more then 230 volt output. With the metal rods ( welding rods ) stuck in those coils the 60 hz signal will take over and run the transformer, and it won't matter if its wound cw or ccw. Ya got 25 turns primary 230 turns secondary with large gauge wire.
Like I said if ya got one or two of these power systems running your house,Show a picture of one of the units putting some power. Maybe lighting some light bulbs running a hot plate. After all you say you got 10kw output.
No picture No video then you don't have ONE.
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Old 08-23-2011, 12:32 AM
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Hi Zilano
In thread #4 post 118 You wrote " I have both in my setup and am fine with output. Am using it for my home. A 10kw unit 220-250 volt 50 hz sine wave. Am happy with it."
Do you have a picture of the unit u run your house on?
Your output transformer winds are wrong. Stepping down 60kv with 100 turns on primary and having 230 turns secondary to get 230 volts out? Not going to happen.
Low turns primary high turns secondary= step up volts.
High turns primary low turns secondary= step down volts.
If you add that 230 volt 60 hz signal to that 25 turn modulator coil on that stepdown output transformer your going to get a lot more then 230 volt output. With the metal rods ( welding rods ) stuck in those coils the 60 hz signal will take over and run the transformer, and it won't matter if its wound cw or ccw. Ya got 25 turns primary 230 turns secondary with large gauge wire.
Like I said if ya got one or two of these power systems running your house,Show a picture of one of the units putting some power. Maybe lighting some light bulbs running a hot plate. After all you say you got 10kw output.
No picture No video then you don't have ONE.
Why would you expect a device that clearly cannot work by normal electrical principles to follow normal electrical formulas?

A Tesla coil does not work by inductive coupling, and neither does this device. The primary to secondary coupling is via an electric field, not a magnetic field, and has more to do with the relative mass of the coils than the than turns ratio. The rest of your argument is pretty much busted after missing this obvious point.

I'd like to see a video too, but given the issues of publicly demonstrating such a device, I can easily understand why he may choose not to. If you don't like what he says, feel free to not be here. If you do stay, please be respectful.
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Old 08-23-2011, 04:02 AM
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Hi Zilano,

Is there any benefits to copper coated welding rods vs non copper coated?

Cheers Mike

Hi Mike!

MAGNET CORE (WELDING ROD)
Purpose
To provide a low reluctance path that increases the magnetic flux through the coil.
Specifications
Low reluctance, high permeability magnetic material: Welding rod; 0.042" inch diameter copper coated steel

regards

zilano zeis zane!

Hi LTBOLO
I wasn't talking about his L1 and L2 coils,those coils are ok if tuned right.
thread 14
post 409

He is using copper coated welding rods ( he calls ferrite rod/cu) in his step down to 60 hz transformer. Read above MAGNETIC MATERIAL. His transformer for getting 230 volts 60 hz is magnetic. If you don't believe me, get some copper coated welding rod, make a bundle and put 10 turns of wire on it, put 20 turns beside of the 10 turns. apply 10 volts to the 10 turn coil and you can measure close to 20 volts on the 20 turn coil.
When he said look at the crystal radio, I knew he was going to modulate the system with 60 hz but didn't know where.
Tesla coils are turns ratio tuned with caps.
Zilano even says he uses induction method in his ferrite transformer.
Maybe MR. LTBOLO you should read my last post again.
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Old 08-23-2011, 05:07 AM
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A Tesla coil does not work by inductive coupling, and neither does this device. The primary to secondary coupling is via an electric field, not a magnetic field, and has more to do with the relative mass of the coils than the than turns ratio. The rest of your argument is pretty much busted after missing this obvious point.
I thought this was an interesting link to explain resonant coupling...

Resonant inductive coupling - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 08-23-2011, 10:08 AM
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can any one help me how to post schematics i will give u more links and more juicy things to get u going from scratch to free power. am new to this forum and i dont know how to upload schematics.
There is a free program "LTSpice IV" which is a circuit simulator.
There you can simulate your circuits, but also upload simulator-files so others
also can simulate your setup EXACTLY, which is a very important issue.

/ Conny
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Old 08-23-2011, 01:24 PM
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Hi Jharmon
Good fine on the link.
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There appeared a video presentation 5 kwt generator Kapanadze with a translation in English with subtitles. Download from here.
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Old 08-23-2011, 03:53 PM
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He is using copper coated welding rods ( he calls ferrite rod/cu) in his step down to 60 hz transformer. Read above MAGNETIC MATERIAL. His transformer for getting 230 volts 60 hz is magnetic. If you don't believe me, get some copper coated welding rod, make a bundle and put 10 turns of wire on it, put 20 turns beside of the 10 turns. apply 10 volts to the 10 turn coil and you can measure close to 20 volts on the 20 turn coil.
When he said look at the crystal radio, I knew he was going to modulate the system with 60 hz but didn't know where.
Tesla coils are turns ratio tuned with caps.
Zilano even says he uses induction method in his ferrite transformer.
Maybe MR. LTBOLO you should read my last post again.

I am well aware of his use of the welding rods. I believe their function was not to provide a ferrous core for a magnetic transformer, but to subtly alter inductance of the primary for resonance tuning. It is a very different thing to wrap a couple of windings directly on a ferrous rod and push a magnetic field into it and to have a few rods inserted into a 2" PVC pipe to change the tank tuning. I would expect a very small inductive effect to the secondary which was 3" in diameter...especially given that we're talking about an open magnetic core, rather than a closed magnetic pathway...but that won't make it any less of an electric coupling to the primary pushing 60kv.

Having the rods does also offer a potentially nice option for modulating the primary resonance. If the modulating coil causes a slight alteration in the permeability (iron has a very soft saturation curve) that would translate into a slight variation of the tuning of the tank. Given a very high Q tank, a small amount of de-tuning would translate into a fairly significant change in resonance amplitude, which is exactly what it would take for the AM detector circuit to work.

There are really 3 distinct things going on here: 1) a high voltage 35kHz power supply, 2) the gain stage consisting of a high voltage primary coil and an electrically coupled secondary which are both resonant at 35kHz, and 3) a method for converting the raw high frequency power into 50/60Hz. The problem is that Zilano has given 3 or 4 ways to do each part, leading to some confusion. As I understand it, the thing that is absolutely essential is to resonate a primary with a spark discharge to very high VAR, and down convert the extra energy produced in that coil to something useful without killing the resonance in the primary. Everything else is simply implementation detail.

In the end though, my beef with you is the demanding and demeaning attitude. Feel free to disagree with me all day about how it works, but please lay off the attacks.
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Old 08-23-2011, 05:28 PM
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Hi Mike!

MAGNET CORE (WELDING ROD)
Purpose
To provide a low reluctance path that increases the magnetic flux through the coil.
Specifications
Low reluctance, high permeability magnetic material: Welding rod; 0.042" inch diameter copper coated steel

regards

zilano zeis zane!
Hi Zilano

Are the copper coated welding rods to fill in ALL of the 2" inside diameter coil space, in order to raise the coil inductance for higher magnetic coupling to the secondary thick windings?

Cheers Mike
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Old 08-23-2011, 05:57 PM
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Overunity Resonant Transformer

Another interesting corroborating link about OU resonant transformers...

OVERUNITY RESONANT TRANSFORMER - YouTube
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Old 08-24-2011, 05:21 AM
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Evanescent Waves and Quantum Tunneling

I'm still percolating...

Tell me if this stuff is distracting or helpful.

Evanescent wave - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Evanescent waves appear to be related to quantum tunneling according to conventional physics. As long as you consider the physics on Wikipedia conventional.

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Old 08-24-2011, 02:57 PM
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parallel spark gap

hi zzz. if the spark gap is in parallel and gapped for 4000kV, when would it ever fire? the primary coil (high windings in the step-down arrangement) would be in resonance with it's capacitor.

are you suggesting that we tune the gap so that it fires < 4000V?

Or perhaps the votage from the step up transformer is out of phase with the resonating coil and therefore exceeds 4000V. I guess if they ever got 180 degrees out of phase, the voltage would rise to 8000V.

You mentioned in a previous post that the gap needs to be tuned. How do you tune the gap? At what point in the oscillation should it fire?

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Old 08-24-2011, 03:03 PM
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voltage of the first tuning capacitor

Hi zzz. on the subject of the parallel gap and tuning capacitor. how many volts should the tuning capacitor be rated for? I understand that we should choose its capacitance to adjust the frequency of the coil, but what voltage?
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Old 08-24-2011, 08:59 PM
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I don't know what's going on here but Zilano has his private messages turned off, he hasn't posted in 3 days, and many of his posts are missing from this thread now.

Also Dole's post is missing from this thread.
I've noticed this too and am quite worried. Mr. Clean disappeared too

He either got upset with us or he may have gotten some unexpected visitors.

We'll hope for the best. --Paul
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