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Old 01-16-2012, 08:34 PM
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I tried experiment you mentioned with ferrite rod from old radio. First I wound primary 10 turns CW (starting from left side of core center).
Then I took two wires (thinner then primary) twice longer then primary and soldered on one end a piece of another wire joining those ends. Then I wound it from center of core , one CW, second CCW.

Results are inconclusive. Testing shorted secondary in then way described on your schematic last picture and pulsing manually there was a blink of light in led only when connecting power source (9V battery), while when I reversed battery terminals I've got two blinks : one stronger when battery was connected to primary and one weak when circuit connection was broken.

What is the reason for that ? Maybe I have made non precise secondaries ? Each one is 20 turns but the space between turns are not ideally equal.
Zilano, is that expected behaviour ?
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Im baaaccckk
Im going to say it again its the electric field that transfer's energy not the magnetic field
with this understanding you can bust this wide open
just rewinding a transformer will get you twice the energy, add a couple of shorted coils, add resonance and bam baby you got it.
two primary's driven out of phase will be reflected in your secondary's

what Im wondering is can we drive the system with alternating current if so you wont need a driving circuit, Im going to study this and will get back to you,

I will find the answers and I will tell you all of you

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Flame post removed sorry
I must remember judge not least you be judged
Im sorry I went there
I will find the answer
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Hi guys, did anyone consider Zilano may have deleted her own posts. As far as I
am aware only the poster can delete their posts.

This is really an amazing situation. Zilano has never shown a working device or
even a device. And you guys think the MIB are after her. I doubt it.

I have big doubts there is even a real device in Zilano's possession.

But each to their own.

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Hi guys, did anyone consider Zilano may have deleted her own posts. As far as I
am aware only the poster can delete their posts.

This is really an amazing situation. Zilano has never shown a working device or
even a device. And you guys think the MIB are after her. I doubt it.

I have big doubts there is even a real device in Zilano's possession.

But each to their own.

Cheers
Agreed.
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Old 01-17-2012, 03:33 AM
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Im baaaccckk
Im going to say it again its the electric field that transfer's energy not the magnetic field
with this understanding you can bust this wide open
just rewinding a transformer will get you twice the energy, add a couple of shorted coils, add resonance and bam baby you got it.
two primary's driven out of phase will be reflected in your secondary's

what Im wondering is can we drive the system with alternating current if so you wont need a driving circuit, Im going to study this and will get back to you,

I will find the answers and I will tell you all of you
A cheap effective electrostatic version of what’s being done here magnetically would certainly make me dance Dave Homemade Magnetic Amplifiers. (just food for thought)
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Old 01-17-2012, 06:16 AM
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Ferrit coil

Hello all.
Zilano i want ask about some design. Lets say for example i want get 220V with some current,but i want use so low power device on the primary side.You told then we need to use ferrit rode.
How is the calculation for step down transformer? I will Chose L as length of primary L1 coil, wind it on ferrit core, then measure inductance and select capacitor to fit into resonance? then secondary will be L/4 and can be placed somewhere beside the L1, just need to adjust resonance on same frequency as L1? Lets say i want more amperage, so i will choose more turns on amperage side of the L2?
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Old 01-17-2012, 07:35 AM
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Were we to ask Aaron I am sure he would confirm only the member concerned can delete the post, I'm sure that’s correct as far as Aaron is concerned, the ability of others to ape Zs identity and IP address and delete in her in her name is another question altogether. As to Z showing a working device I really wouldn’t know, I have however seen in her posts some very unique circuits and some extremely rare pages from books I certainly cant track down. In that regard alone the posts contain vital information and working practical circuits, regardless of who is removing these posts even if its Z herself under duress or not, there is information contained in those posts that is unavailable else where I personally applaud any effort to rescue information which... lets be quite honest has already been put freely into the public domain. I'm not prepared to besmirch the lady and insinuate she's telling porkies regarding a “working unit” If the quality of the information she produces is anything to go by she could well have..And quite frankly I don’t care either way .. I do however hope every effort is made to recover the wealth of information freely and openly shared.
I also hope she is not in danger or under threat. a lot of folks seem to be getting a bit bent out of shape over what they say is worthless information presented by this lass who seemingly cant build anything lets make sure Slovenia has it all, before the options gone, and decide what to do with it later .... fair enough
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Hi guys, did anyone consider Zilano may have deleted her own posts. As far as I
am aware only the poster can delete their posts.
Cheers
I do not agree with this one.
And here is the reason why >
I have worked around with vBulletin Boards forum software,
and I tell you guys that the admins and sometimes even super-moderators
& moderators (of course if granted such priviledges by admins)
can modify/delete posts.
Maybe you will be interested to know that if admins see it fit
they do not allow members to delete their posts,but only modify them.
Please understand that I am not pointing my finger at staff members here,
its just something to clarify the possibilities of this forums software
as I have sometime been vBulletin admin.yep.

Here I must speculate that the way this forums here at energeticforum.com
behaves when I and others make postings is a doubtfoul situation
sorry to say that & and being off-topic but this version of vBulletin is old
and may have security "holes" .
So I strongly suggest Aaron and staff members to make a checkup
for such potentially obsolette security updates.
ps.I have a software somewhere in my cd-s which does analyze
for such problems and gives the forum owner suggestions.
Maybe this sounds -hacking- but do not be so amazed if this actually
goes on sometimes.
cheers...
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Hi guys,

Whenever I find an interesting thread I just subscribe to it incase any deletion occurs. So I always have a backup in my mails. Regarding zilano's post if anyone has some sort of backup of it could you please share?

Thanks
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Old 01-17-2012, 08:48 AM
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i found this

Zilano Design Doc a V1[1]
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Hey John sorry I missed your post
Im not sure about the resistors, but Im pretty sure about the diodes, I'll be honest I suck at electronics, I have studied this for a long time but not the electronics part my interests have been in the magnetic and electric field interactions.
You guys are the electronic experts but ou is in the coil configurations and the realization that energy is bidirectional you cannot create one without creating the others, It took me a long time to understand it.
Study it
I think resistors are here as "load". If you want to shut circuit in positive or negative half-wave you just use diodes....
Regarding electronics. I am willing to develop full electronic control including sine wave converter on the and of device. Work on driver is going on, but i need to wind some new coils as my old ones resonates above 1MHz, too high... So task of you guys is to figure out coils alignment/arrangement. As we all know, no magnetic transfer is included, thus no impact on driver coil. I have few ideas too, but need to test it....

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Old 01-17-2012, 10:31 AM
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There is an old adage - that you cannot explain anything to anyone until you have first explained it to yourself.

Hi Dave, I'd be pleased to see your explanation for -
"Im going to say it again its the electric field that transfer's energy not the magnetic field"

Think of Teslas vertical rods (hairpin); under a specifically resonant condition there is no voltage (nor magnetism).

But then do think about the spark itself (esp. X-Y-Z photon radiation excitation electron orbits) for this technology is about sparks and not switching - with the X and Y the sputtery orange spark; and Z ...........

David Gilmour - 07 - The Blue (With David Crosby and Graham Nash) - YouTube

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Well, she/he said something about a month long holiday coming up and I just suspect she's on holiday. She said she is rich, so she can afford some time away from the grind.

I've been studying Zilano's work. This is a very special person indeed and we need to be very grateful to her for all she has shared with us. She has been treated very poorly by some trolls here which is clear indication to me that what she is sharing is the real deal. Well, if you soak in what she has shared with us, it speaks for itself. It's very incredible indeed!!!

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Well, she/he said something about a month long holiday coming up and I just suspect she's on holiday. She said she is rich, so she can afford some time away from the grind.

I've been studying Zilano's work. This is a very special person indeed and we need to be very grateful to her for all she has shared with us. She has been treated very poorly by some trolls here which is clear indication to me that what she is sharing is the real deal. Well, if you soak in what she has shared with us, it speaks for itself. It's very incredible indeed!!!
I agree Slovenia with what you've said. She's very bright indeed and what she was saying and guiding others had truths in it but now I think it's in our hands to build the devices she tried to explain.
I don't feel amazed about oil companies that penetrate these forums too and silence truth
At least we had a bit of light
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Old 01-17-2012, 03:54 PM
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Hi ALL,
we have enough input in order to devise experiments.
It is not the issue if we can trust anybody because everybody owns some blind spots and everybody has some lag in explaining his thinking. The question is what of those building stones can be put together in order to have success. Let's put it together in an optimistic manner.
But please take in account that we deal with effects where we do not have correct terms. Almost every term is being loaded with preoccupied imagination driven by previous education. Even Tesla used - later on in his life - terms like electricity and frequency ... in a differnt and ambiguous way because he had no terms in order to talk.
I feel it's like I'm blind and somebody talks about colors or cold and hot electricity. I have no receptors in my brain on order to store these like terms like cold and hot electricity.
We need to get rid of blindness and support each other in order to move forward. Thanks for sharing
Almost everything we learned from others since the day of our birth - the rest is intuition and it is very probable that it does not come out of the meterial world.
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Old 01-17-2012, 08:06 PM
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@ and especially both Dave's I have a request … we are approaching the scalar wave a lot of people have been on this cusp before .. there are many components associated that we are not familiar with, It is the very wave of life, every force that can be applied to human nature is being applied right now! I don’t really know what to burn someone w.r.t a forum is but I'm sure its regretted now, I equally know that you slovenea don’t wish anyone cancer of the liver.... The truth is the scalar wave is also our bodies communication system, Its our emotions and how we connect with our very base which I and incidentally (like Tesla) don't believe to be part of our physical bodies, please watch this particular vid on Tesla and particularly the scalar wave The Ray of Discovery - Nikola Tesla on Vimeo --- you are trying to treat this wave in a mathematical engineering thing … It isn’t... Its a life force, every evil and every good is involved, its not a thing you will ever personally profit and if you try you must expect to be bitten! Because its a god given gift, Also consider what wave shape this might be sending http://adventofdeception.com/wp-cont...AARPSunset.jpg It doesn’t look very Hertz to me!!
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Reading Early Zilano Posts

I would suggest that new comers as well as old re-read Zilanos posts.I have found many answers and clarifications to questions I have asked.I believe Zilano and others have answered numerous questions up to this point , far more than those found on any other forum including Dons videos.

I am in experimenting mode.Johnstone and Mr. Clean seem to have the leading edge in terms of research and experimentation.

Mr. Clean seem most likely to succeed.I could be wrong.

I am still experimenting.Most importantly ,I am reading material from other sources, the materials "allowed" in Advanced physics texts.Most of the material bear startling resemblance to Don/Zilano theories.

From the crystal radio operations,spark gap technology, air ionisation, resonance in lasers, wireless energy transfer, electrical transformers and generators principles.ALL point to the probability of such a device being possible.

Thanks to Zilano and faithful fans, we have another viewpoint on the alternate energy systems and we are indeed part of the journey to free ourselves from dependency on oil.

Still experimenting,

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Im baaaccckk
Im going to say it again its the electric field that transfer's energy not the magnetic field
with this understanding you can bust this wide open
just rewinding a transformer will get you twice the energy, add a couple of shorted coils, add resonance and bam baby you got it.
two primary's driven out of phase will be reflected in your secondary's

what Im wondering is can we drive the system with alternating current if so you wont need a driving circuit, Im going to study this and will get back to you,

I will find the answers and I will tell you all of you
Hey this is a great collaboration that I'm proud to be part of!

Thank you everyone for your input and hard work!

Now we've got the b@st@rds on the backfoot!!!

Since watching the Russian coil video where its moving, reading Dave45's posts and looking at his marvellous diagrams I am wondering whether anyone has a ferrite toroid, some wire, a plug and a socket?

I have all those things, if a number of people think this will work I will plug it into the mains to try. For now I'm looking for an 12v - 240v inverter.

Is this your thought Dave45? The electric field splits as current enters the primary and the magnetic element cancelled by the CW and CCW turns.

Therefore if the secondary is wound symmetrically then there should be no current draw when load is connected.


Can anyone confirm there thoughts on this idea please?

If resonance is not needed for a ferrite core power transformation and transformers that exist already are almost all wound so that they get hot and use amperage.

Makes sense really that the power companies want transformers to cost the most.

Am I talking sh@t or not tonight? lol
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Old 01-17-2012, 11:04 PM
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Let me explain what I think is happening
We have been taught that magnetic inductance transfers energy, that is not true.
If you look at my pic's of a galaxy you can see that one side is cw and the other is ccw.
when we put power to a coil we create a field that surrounds our coil it is configured just like a galaxy it has a cw side and a ccw side.
If you watch Ingener's vid you can see it moves away from the center of the coil in opposite directions, this is the field that transfer's energy and it does it in two directions.
The magnetic field can be thought of as a track that the electric field follows but the magnetic field does not transfer energy.
Ok in a transformer we have two coils one is the sending coil and one is the receiving coil, but we are only collecting one electric field that our sending coil is putting out the other electric field that our sending coil is putting out is building up causing heat in the transformer and building opposition to the field we are collecting.
Thats why I tell you our coils are bidirectional they send energy both ways along the magnetic field,
The diagram that I posted concerning the Don Smith device is powered with DC you have to fire the primary's alternately, fire one then the other, one then the other, thats what I mean by firing the primary's out of phase , this phase shift will be reflected in the secondary's output.
I havent figured out how to do it using alternating current, it gets a lot more complex but I will be working on it.
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Hi Duncan,

You wrote - "The truth is the scalar wave is also our bodies communication system."
No it isn't. That is plain DNA patterned electrochemical.

Scalar is the Z axis radiation - the potential destroyer of bodies and matter - the cold energy that makes hot via electromagnetic field induction.
Its bloody scary mate ! Destroys tissue/ telomeres just as surely as microwaves. Also low level impact upon tissues does not show for some time !

Yes I know Tesla lived long, but he knew what he was doing.

What really needs to be known about this technology is the dangers of *energy at any cost*, because promoting construction might irreversibly harm or kill someone's child - think of Stubblefield. Could Forum members live with that ?

I recon Tesla would have been horrified at anyone experimenting or attempting to utilise this technology without first truly understanding what they were doing, whilst the militaries who do use it already have to most devastating effects, and thus have specialised equipment for detecting unauthorised use. (Sweet.)

There should be very careful thought about publishing too, for any one of us deeming to have a moral right not granted, could end up bearing unexpected responsibility.

Scalar waves will pass through metal screens, so how will people be protected ?

The need to understand BEFORE proceeding ought to be greater than the desire for power. (Then maybe if there was proper understanding, nobody would want to ?)

Never thought I'd find it necessary to write this ! This is NOT them and us !

If this Forum would accept photo uploads I would finish here by adding a pic of a low power but not small human scalar tissue burn.

Never assume ... be careful ..........

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Lets look a Don's explanation of the secondary's output he said one coil puts out amps and the other puts out volts, if we use one primary it puts out both fields but at the same time, this is a problem so you guys are bouncing around the energy with capacitors trying to get the volts and amps out of phase.
It is easier to get them out of phase using two primary's
A shorted coil puts out a standing wave(field), when I say standing wave(field) I mean it does not collapse, and any energy that is drawn from that standing wave is instantly replaced by the aether.
We can understand whats happening and we can reason it out, thats how I got the diagram that I posted.
dave

I should have said field, I inserted it

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I have posted all this before but I thought you may like to see it, a picture is worth a thousand words
my magnetic model is wrong, I will fix it.
magnet, coil, planet, solar system, galaxy they are all the same

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Hi Duncan,

You wrote - "The truth is the scalar wave is also our bodies communication system."
No it isn't. That is plain DNA patterned electrochemical.

Scalar is the Z axis radiation - the potential destroyer of bodies and matter - the cold energy that makes hot via electromagnetic field induction.
Its bloody scary mate ! Destroys tissue/ telomeres just as surely as microwaves. Also low level impact upon tissues does not show for some time !

Yes I know Tesla lived long, but he knew what he was doing.

What really needs to be known about this technology is the dangers of *energy at any cost*, because promoting construction might irreversibly harm or kill someone's child - think of Stubblefield. Could Forum members live with that ?

I recon Tesla would have been horrified at anyone experimenting or attempting to utilise this technology without first truly understanding what they were doing, whilst the militaries who do use it already have to most devastating effects, and thus have specialised equipment for detecting unauthorised use. (Sweet.)

There should be very careful thought about publishing too, for any one of us deeming to have a moral right not granted, could end up bearing unexpected responsibility.

Scalar waves will pass through metal screens, so how will people be protected ?

The need to understand BEFORE proceeding ought to be greater than the desire for power. (Then maybe if there was proper understanding, nobody would want to ?)

Never thought I'd find it necessary to write this ! This is NOT them and us !

If this Forum would accept photo uploads I would finish here by adding a pic of a low power but not small human scalar tissue burn.

Never assume ... be careful ..........
For some reason I have it in my head that our bodies nerves are connected to our brain with scalar signals.

Where is the evidence of the bad stuff please? I must read such findings.
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Its kind of ironic that the only field we can see in our telescopes is the one we know least about.
While you guy's were studying electronics I have been studying the magnetic and electric fields and how they work, and I thought if they are there we should be able to see them in the universe so I started looking there.
Science is the study of God's creation.
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When people say there is no aether it just blows me away because as you can see our planet our star all solar body's run in the electric field of our galaxy.

I think when man see's something he does not understand it is our first impression that it must be complex, but in reality it is very simple.
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waht happened to slovenia's post's.

I was curious if Slovenia's post's were also deleted, it also looks like comments made to the post were also removed, am I correct. Does anyone have the zilano download.
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I agree

This young highly talented lady has surpassed many of us hot rodders in this forum and lets just say most other forums as well. She deserves our admiration and utmost concentration as we study her work. those who have come late to party are just late...
I have collected all the information I need except the time to compile these details and build the devices.

Learning whAT resonance is and how to achieve it is one of the main tricks.

understanding what the high pass and low pass filters are one of the most perplexing to most onlookers.

Read Don Smith notes on PK free energy webs.. there you will find most what you need.

The other way to do it is get in the lab.... This is lethal energy learn caution first!

Anyone who is trying to keep up with Z is fighting heavy uphill currents.
if you don't have the basics of Don Smith go get them first!

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Were we to ask Aaron I am sure he would confirm only the member concerned can delete the post, I'm sure that’s correct as far as Aaron is concerned, the ability of others to ape Zs identity and IP address and delete in her in her name is another question altogether. As to Z showing a working device I really wouldn’t know, I have however seen in her posts some very unique circuits and some extremely rare pages from books I certainly cant track down. In that regard alone the posts contain vital information and working practical circuits, regardless of who is removing these posts even if its Z herself under duress or not, there is information contained in those posts that is unavailable else where I personally applaud any effort to rescue information which... lets be quite honest has already been put freely into the public domain. I'm not prepared to besmirch the lady and insinuate she's telling porkies regarding a “working unit” If the quality of the information she produces is anything to go by she could well have..And quite frankly I don’t care either way .. I do however hope every effort is made to recover the wealth of information freely and openly shared.
I also hope she is not in danger or under threat. a lot of folks seem to be getting a bit bent out of shape over what they say is worthless information presented by this lass who seemingly cant build anything lets make sure Slovenia has it all, before the options gone, and decide what to do with it later .... fair enough
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edit to delete your own posts

i have been to many various places where censorship is done on a regular basis.
This is not one of them. Rest assured many of us will not put up with that kind of behavior. Would you! No! Don't get me wrong if you are out of line with your attitude you will defiantly get slapped down.





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If posts have been removed, it makes me wonder who is doing it ...

I have looked at my own posts and I cannot see any 'delete' button available.

Reveal your email address so the document can be emailed to you.

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Slovenia post 2350 was deleted

Slovenia made 2 posting. 2350 and 2351 the first one directed you to "Zilano older deleted post" on Scribd. I looked at Scribd this morning and it was complete now the file at scribd is all messed up.
Lots of post lost on this thread.

Gaurd Zilano post lots of forces tring to get rid of the info.

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