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If we agree the source of electric power primarily is the magnetism ( induction ) , in the bar magnet we have what we know a Block wall :




Gaussmeter show you all the power is radiated back, the question now is it possible to have such Bloch wall in a coil with alternating current ?

the answer is Yes ! i did some experiment show it's possible , take the following drawing which explain an ETBC under action, it's possible to take the power from * position even it's already short circuited !

another better drawing show it clearly :



the explanation : it's possible to separate the electron based on their spin in an active coil which mean we have a kind of dynamic magnet ( not permanent because you have to flip the electron back and forth ) ..
this also mean it's possible to convert very high voltage to very high electric current , or better in a resonating system we can convert the current ( reactive ) as it's already in an active state.. we have to treat the electricity in a balanced way and this is what a gaussmeter show us ..
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Sorry I don't believe in the EBTC direction, you just aren't going to convince me of it's significance. I've seen you post that stuff before, you should almost create your own thread for it, because Don Smith said nothing about manufacturing his own Capacitor design.

The only thing I have read that can be linked to Don Smith is his three pancake coil device.

I am just not sure of the way you are stitching it all together giving life to a dead end by associating it with Don Smith, because it has similar concepts.

A house, a boat, a table, all have wood in common but are fundamentally different.
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Sorry I don't believe in the EBTC direction, you just aren't going to convince me of it's significance. I've seen you post that stuff before, you should almost create your own thread for it, because Don Smith said nothing about manufacturing his own Capacitor design.

The only thing I have read that can be linked to Don Smith is his three pancake coil device.

I am just not sure of the way you are stitching it all together giving life to a dead end by associating it with Don Smith, because it has similar concepts.

A house, a boat, a table, all have wood in common but are fundamentally different.

it's not about what you believe or what i believe ! it's about how the things fit together ... i told you a very large current can be produced using an ETBC but you still tell it a dead end !!!!

frankly very strange!

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it's not about what you believe or what i believe ! it's about how the things fit together ... i told you a very large current can be produced using an ETBC but you still tell it a dead end !!!!

frankly very strange!

anyway ..


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You can have very large instantaneous currents at a capacitor discharge, but power is based on sustainable current (coulombs per second?).

Yeah if you can show us that, then you got something. But flashing bulb is no good.
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You can have very large instantaneous currents at a capacitor discharge, but power is based on sustainable current (coulombs per second?).

Yeah if you can show us that, then you got something. But flashing bulb is no good.

i agree further work is needed !


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i agree further work is needed !


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Not really, it's the wrong rabbit hole.
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Not really, it's the wrong rabbit hole.

look, you are free what to believe is the right thing or no, experiment with result will tell who is right and who is wrong , if you are a physician with more knowledge please explain the physical aspect, otherwise we are not in a forest to talk about the rabbit that much...

if you have a solution to a specific problem tell us and we are thankful in advance !
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Plasma tube here.

but remember, Don called out a specific globe from Radio Shack, before you do buy and expensive tube, just get a round one with a gauss meter, and frequency meter.

Gentlemen, what are we left with here, always assuming that Don is building special devices because we can't figure out how he gets power from them?

We don't know how to use his tools, we don't know the significance of grounding, we can't explain the simple video( well I can I just have to prove it)
I would have to win the Lotto before I could pay $1500 for a Plasma tube. And I don't even buy a ticket, so not much chance of a big spend. I have two projects on the go at the moment, The Figueras Generator and Getting Don,s circuit working. The plasma is related. I built a Gauss meter but it is not very responsive. I have ordered a $30 one from Ebay. If I see a Plasma Ball cheap I shall get one and try don's experiment in his manual.

Just for the record, I think the ETBC is working an I have tried making this coil. I just have to get my materials organised for it to show real progress for me. It is a very well though out component!

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Med - What will Happen

Med,

If I find the answer, which I will.

You will not see me post it here. I will help the few that are going in the right direction and encourage them. There are too many people who jump in to defocus the threads. You just have to comprehend the content of this forum changing to political views. That is the validation of my diatribe here.

Infact, a forum is the wrong place to find the correct information, as the factions that strives to bury these technologies need only to employ one person that chimes in as different users to derail the minds that seek to create this technologies.

You have to question everything, and always check your sources, see what videos they have, and what schematics and explanations they are willing to share. I can light a 15 watt LED bulb, with 6 watts of input and where the input is unaffected by the output. I will show anybody how I do that. That's all I needed to show me that there is reality that Mr. Tesla was a genius, and Don Smith realized this and found out how to make it work.

The "it" in my theory, is an effect, a by product of fast disruption in the ambient. It is not propagated in a capacitor, it is propagated in a capacitor coupling between disturbance and harvest, which really is magnified by tuning to the radio frequencies that are produced by specific configurations of disturbances.

The EBTC is --well not that. You need to hold energy, and create a depletion of the one of the plates.

Imagine two tesla coils TX and RX tuned to each other. They are coils, but they are capacitively coupled. Essentially each coil is a plate. Both are vibrating at the same standing wave, in relation to the same medium (ground). The TX is holding it's energy but the disturbance between TX and ground is scalar, over radio frequency. The energy is not transferred because of a transmission(Tesla was right, rf doesn't work on Hertzian principles, no one would receive radio in a valley), the disruption between ground allows the duplication of the vibration of the second plate.

Your EBTC is goofing up the good stuff happening because when you touch the two, which is essentially breaking the dielectric region of the coupling. >Poof< no magic.

If I'm wrong I will say so, plain and simple. I will post that here.
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I like it! ilandtan now is time to read what Barbosa & Leal patented.
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I would have to win the Lotto before I could pay $1500 for a Plasma tube. And I don't even buy a ticket, so not much chance of a big spend. I have two projects on the go at the moment, The Figueras Generator and Getting Don,s circuit working. The plasma is related. I built a Gauss meter but it is not very responsive. I have ordered a $30 one from Ebay. If I see a Plasma Ball cheap I shall get one and try don's experiment in his manual.

Just for the record, I think the ETBC is working an I have tried making this coil. I just have to get my materials organised for it to show real progress for me. It is a very well though out component!

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This is the stuff I have bought:

Frequency Counter


Gauss Meter


Dynatron, who has some success videos on Don Smith replication told me about how to select a decent gauss meter. His discussion is on Energyevo.com
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Med,

If I find the answer, which I will.

You will not see me post it here. I will help the few that are going in the right direction and encourage them. There are too many people who jump in to defocus the threads. You just have to comprehend the content of this forum changing to political views. That is the validation of my diatribe here.

Infact, a forum is the wrong place to find the correct information, as the factions that strives to bury these technologies need only to employ one person that chimes in as different users to derail the minds that seek to create this technologies.

You have to question everything, and always check your sources, see what videos they have, and what schematics and explanations they are willing to share. I can light a 15 watt LED bulb, with 6 watts of input and where the input is unaffected by the output. I will show anybody how I do that. That's all I needed to show me that there is reality that Mr. Tesla was a genius, and Don Smith realized this and found out how to make it work.

The "it" in my theory, is an effect, a by product of fast disruption in the ambient. It is not propagated in a capacitor, it is propagated in a capacitor coupling between disturbance and harvest, which really is magnified by tuning to the radio frequencies that are produced by specific configurations of disturbances.

The EBTC is --well not that. You need to hold energy, and create a depletion of the one of the plates.

Imagine two tesla coils TX and RX tuned to each other. They are coils, but they are capacitively coupled. Essentially each coil is a plate. Both are vibrating at the same standing wave, in relation to the same medium (ground). The TX is holding it's energy but the disturbance between TX and ground is scalar, over radio frequency. The energy is not transferred because of a transmission(Tesla was right, rf doesn't work on Hertzian principles, no one would receive radio in a valley), the disruption between ground allows the duplication of the vibration of the second plate.

Your EBTC is goofing up the good stuff happening because when you touch the two, which is essentially breaking the dielectric region of the coupling. >Poof< no magic.

If I'm wrong I will say so, plain and simple. I will post that here.

i referred you to 1995 Don's video but the better reference for the ETBC is in 1994 video ( thanks to Don smith )


https://youtu.be/BHr3eDELyHk?t=3310

this is the best reference , he said in our case we put both a capacitor and coil in one wire ! that's it !
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boguslaw, are you talking about WO2013104042A1?

That is a real interesting one, have you replicated that?
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boguslaw, are you talking about WO2013104042A1?

That is a real interesting one, have you replicated that?
No, but you are close I believe
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This is the stuff I have bought:

Frequency Counter


Gauss Meter


Dynatron, who has some success videos on Don Smith replication told me about how to select a decent gauss meter. His discussion is on Energyevo.com
I have both these items on order. With the Gauss meter, I am thinking that it gives us analogue information, which can be like the volume control of radio. small turn large volume control. That is exponential. When the flux gets large measurement can become saturated.

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I have both these items on order. With the Gauss meter, I am thinking that it gives us analogue information, which can be like the volume control of radio. small turn large volume control. That is exponential. When the flux gets large measurement can become saturated.

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When you get these things, I can show you some things I have come across.
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Great. Will be a few weeks, coming from China!

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Great. Will be a few weeks, coming from China!

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You probably already have:

12V NST
Spark Gap or GDT 220V or above
HV Diode that can rectify directly from NST HV
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12V NST
Spark Gap or GDT 220V or above
HV Diode that can rectify directly from NST HV
Don't have a NST. i had been using it for charging my capacitor tests. for some reason it stop working. i would be back to using a tv flyback transformer. NST's are difficult to get at the moment what with all the led displays.have everything else.

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Don't have a NST. i had been using it for charging my capacitor tests. for some reason it stop working. i would be back to using a tv flyback transformer. NST's are difficult to get at the moment what with all the led displays.have everything else.

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I use 12V NST, circuits, so I have isolation from the grid, and also ask why Don's device seem to be run from batteries. His "Commercial Device" running a 120V Luminous Tube Transformer, is being driven by an inverter via a 12V battery. Why didn't he just plug it into AC?

I think there is something to it. You can see the magnetic energy Don was talking about.

This is the NST I use, and got it from here: https://www.amazing1.com/neon-transformers-12v.html

I'm sure there are equivalents.
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Hi ilandtan,
thanks for the info. I have found this nst that is imported from USA Midget.

What worries me about the nst is their sensitivity to circuit breaking. they seem to breakdown very easily. They are not designed for the work we are doing imho. i have bought two over the past year and both have broken down. for me at $90 a time they don't look like a good investment. I also have a yihau 3010d which has caused me many problems. it seems that the manufacturing process if too cheap these days. not built to last. I am wondering if I should spend the time and try and build a hv supply using say an auto ignition coil. the only thing is will they run at 30khz+.

let me know what you think of the midget nst specs.

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Hi ilandtan,
thanks for the info. I have found this nst that is imported from USA Midget.

What worries me about the nst is their sensitivity to circuit breaking. they seem to breakdown very easily. They are not designed for the work we are doing imho. i have bought two over the past year and both have broken down. for me at $90 a time they don't look like a good investment. I also have a yihau 3010d which has caused me many problems. it seems that the manufacturing process if too cheap these days. not built to last. I am wondering if I should spend the time and try and build a hv supply using say an auto ignition coil. the only thing is will they run at 30khz+.

let me know what you think of the midget nst specs.

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I think the midget nst should be just fine, to see the effect I want to illustrate. Don Smith said ignition coils bring lots of power. I have to look for that quote. But I wouldn't spend a whole lot, you just need to have your measurement gear and the ability to create flux, by pulsing Earth ground.
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I think the midget nst should be just fine, to see the effect I want to illustrate. Don Smith said ignition coils bring lots of power. I have to look for that quote. But I wouldn't spend a whole lot, you just need to have your measurement gear and the ability to create flux, by pulsing Earth ground.
Well, I went to order and they are out of stock! Have ordered a grid voltage unit from China. more patience required. Have received the flux meter, just waiting on the frequency counter. Will keep you apprised of the postal system!!

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Has anyone tried to build a simple "small" Tesla that is calculated for the output voltage that you are looking for? It would actually be a small thing because it doesn't need to put out millions of volts. Pass the output lead through say 3 parallel MVO diodes and you have your pulsed dc. Tune the Tesla to the frequency you want and most likely you will not burn that one out with a direct short either.
The junk made today is designed to fail so you will buy more. Not last. Run the Tesla in a vat of oil and you can make it "invincible", not really but a good arc snubber.

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Has anyone tried to build a simple "small" Tesla that is calculated for the output voltage that you are looking for? It would actually be a small thing because it doesn't need to put out millions of volts. Pass the output lead through say 3 parallel MVO diodes and you have your pulsed dc. Tune the Tesla to the frequency you want and most likely you will not burn that one out with a direct short either.
The junk made today is designed to fail so you will buy more. Not last. Run the Tesla in a vat of oil and you can make it "invincible", not really but a good arc snubber.

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What do you mean small tesla coil? What are you trying to do?
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Hi ilandtan,
still thinking of you! been busy with building, figueras and patiently waiting for bits and pieces. the two meters have now arrived , flux and frequency counter, still waiting for the neon transformer. have ordered one with adjustable control. seem to remember Don using one of these. earliest delivery date is 22 may! and between june 13. maybe it is slow because trump has been trumpeting?

patience is a virtue best learned sitting down

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still thinking of you! been busy with building, figueras and patiently waiting for bits and pieces. the two meters have now arrived , flux and frequency counter, still waiting for the neon transformer. have ordered one with adjustable control. seem to remember Don using one of these. earliest delivery date is 22 may! and between june 13. maybe it is slow because trump has been trumpeting?

patience is a virtue best learned sitting down

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Hi Dwane,

I don't know if you have had a chance to use your meters on your Tesla coil RX/TX, but you should be able to see output in uT and then calculate the milligauss. You should be able to capture the radio frequency. Mine was around 500kHz.
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I don't know if you have had a chance to use your meters on your Tesla coil RX/TX, but you should be able to see output in uT and then calculate the milligauss. You should be able to capture the radio frequency. Mine was around 500kHz.
Hi ilandtan,
I got chinese instructions and screen prompts, my night classes are not easy! I am getting approx 13.2uT ==> 132mG. Frequency is coming in around 575.6 k Hz with a 1sec gate. i suppose if the input increased the output in uT would increase to a saturation point? I need a different circuit to modulate the input to test that theory. Interestingly, it took a couple of minutes for the flux to develop about the coil when it remained quite steady. Good lesson!

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I got chinese instructions and screen prompts, my night classes are not easy! I am getting approx 13.2uT ==> 132mG. Frequency is coming in around 575.6 k Hz with a 1sec gate. i suppose if the input increased the output in uT would increase to a saturation point? I need a different circuit to modulate the input to test that theory. Interestingly, it took a couple of minutes for the flux to develop about the coil when it remained quite steady. Good lesson!

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Mine came from Amazon, instruction and display in English. So part of my realization of DS, was he learned to capture the radio frequencies off these devices (see my post with plasma tube). Look at his description how to build the plasma ball device. If the frequency is around 30kHz, and he is telling you:
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Get about 30 feet (10m) of Jumbo-Speaker Cable
what do you think he is doing? Creating an RF antenna. The harmonic he is using is an obvious choice. Do the math and tell me if you agree?
BTW - I can tell you that my plasma ball gets about 370mG of magnetic induction.
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