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Look at the bottom left of the picture and you will see a highly efficient
toroid coil!
That looks more like the output transformer for me. He's got the DC from the cap and he is pulsing the toroid with the black box controlling the gated thyristor. In essence that left module on the wood is transformation, basically the inverter to 60 Hz AC.

EL, I'm not disagreeing with what you are saying, just to disagree. We have like 400+ pages of forum, that have the well traveled and worn road of resonant coils producing the effect. I'm offering other thoughts outside that box, because the road seems a dead end.

I certainly don't know... but boguslaw does. Listen to him.
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my guess

ilandtan,

All I'm saying is that resonant circuits are the most practical and efficient way of obtaining the HV that we need.

Everyone has a different idea as to how this system is supposed to work.

My own guess is that the extra energy is the aether waves as described by Tesla.
Our scientists call them neutrinos. So small that they can pass through steel.

Mother nature always tries to keep things in balance by providing as many of
these positive charged particles as there are negative ones.
We need to upset this balance in order to bring some of these charges into our HV circuit.
We can do this by creating a disturbance by sparking HV DC through a spark gap.
Using a positive dc will attract the negative charges while using negative dc will attract the positive charges.
There will be an attraction for each half-wave pulse coming through the spark gap, so
the more often this happens (called frequency) the more energy we get.
And the higher the voltage, the greater is the attraction as well.

It should now be clear that we should only be attracting the positive charges
as these are the ones which will flow through our HV circuit and back to negative ground which will put things back in balance.
This current flow will be a combination of electrons (from our power supply) and neutrinos.
If we could attract only 1/4 amp into a 9000 volt circuit, we'd get out 2200 watts of power by using a step-down transformer on the output side.

Just my GUESS
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Right, the schematic with not-correctly placed diode in diode bridge ? I don't know if it's a working device but I must reflect here many statements which are important. For many devices described in newspapers there is a note that electrician or scientist examined device and they said : it's impossible to be working that way. Like for example two coils completely not coupled inductively or diodes in wrong directions. You can find the same in Richard Willis patent.
The energy that comes goes "the wrong way around" - that's that problem for all replicators, because excess energy is coming from other source.
I saw that diode, LOL maybe he's telling us that the function is not a typical bridge. Don on one of schematics, said throw away the L1/L2 in the diagram, all you need is a disconnected negative output of the bridge (so it doesn't matter which way that diode points) He just uses the positive output to the cap.

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Don Smith: Bruce,The Device in question is the same one I demonstrated at the Tesla convention 5 years ago that caused such a ruckus. The Inverter circuit already has the necessary components required. Disconnect the main diode bridge negative output from the output capacitor bank. Then hook the disconnected negative capacitor to a separate circuit which powers the load and into an adjustable earth grounding. At this point you are tapped into the universal source of endless energy. There is a simple way which does not require the inverter. Any how let me know and will work it out. You already have all the required parts as does most everyone else.
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Hi guys,
I like maybe a lot of others did not look hard at the Bridge at first glance! It is only when looking closely you realise that one side - negative - is getting ac. Would this be related to William Lyne's comments?
These are nice bid Diodes, does anyone know their product number?

Edit: I suppose what Don might be saying is that his method of extracting energy is to break through the harmony of the earth connection and it's balance with the electrostatic field. That is "+=-", disrupt this equation and there is an imbalance.

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All I'm saying is that resonant circuits are the most practical and efficient way of obtaining the HV that we need.

Everyone has a different idea as to how this system is supposed to work.
Hi El,

Let me give you DS references that changed my opinion, because like you I believed the key was resonant L1/L2.

Look at this well used Don Smith schematic (See Attachment).

Take Note of this:

"3. High Voltage Module. Constituting the L-1 and L-2 coils."

Postulation: We already have the provided excitation to HV. Your need for additional resonant coils are included in this schematic as L3 and L4; Listed as 6 and 7 respectively.

Which amazingly enough.... is thrown off the chuck wagon by this Don Smith reference to the schematic.

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Don Smith: Bruce, Wipe out 6, 7 and 8 and connect the diode bridge where #6 was. Number one is a tritium battery with half life of 11 years, small size. The output appears to be pulsating DC but is actually high frequency which explains the ill matched light bulbs. Regards, DS
08-02-2004
Conclusion: You don't need an L1/L2 Tesla coil to make a Don Smith device. He shows us by making devices devoid of them. He tells us to remove them and you'll still have what you need.

What that something is, whether it's neutrinos, or pixie dust... I can't say.

The 1994 lecture was very telling, as he also says he doesn't need a spark gap, to force resonance.
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Hi El,

Let me give you DS references that changed my opinion, because like you I believed the key was resonant L1/L2.

Look at this well used Don Smith schematic (See Attachment).

Take Note of this:

"3. High Voltage Module. Constituting the L-1 and L-2 coils."

Postulation: We already have the provided excitation to HV. Your need for additional resonant coils are included in this schematic as L3 and L4; Listed as 6 and 7 respectively.

Which amazingly enough.... is thrown off the chuck wagon by this Don Smith reference to the schematic.



Conclusion: You don't need an L1/L2 Tesla coil to make a Don Smith device. He shows us by making devices devoid of them. He tells us to remove them and you'll still have what you need.

What that something is, whether it's neutrinos, or pixie dust... I can't say.

The 1994 lecture was very telling, as he also says he doesn't need a spark gap, to force resonance.

Hi ilandtan,

Thanks for the explanation.

I see you are believing everything Don Smith says.
That's good because this IS a Don Smith thread.
From what I gather from your postings,you are concentrating
more on the output side rather than the input, which is different.

My reasoning for using resonance is my read of his
"AIR CORE INDUCTION COIL BUILDERS GUIDE" and
Kapanadze also uses a similiar device and he says "it's all about resonance"

I appreciate all the time and effort you are spending on this thread
and hope you continue on in your own direction and I will do the same in mine.
Hopefully one of us might suceed. Good Luck!
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Hi ilandtan,

Thanks for the explanation.

I see you are believing everything Don Smith says.
That's good because this IS a Don Smith thread.
From what I gather from your postings,you are concentrating
more on the output side rather than the input, which is different.

My reasoning for using resonance is my read of his
"AIR CORE INDUCTION COIL BUILDERS GUIDE" and
Kapanadze also uses a similiar device and he says "it's all about resonance"

I appreciate all the time and effort you are spending on this thread
and hope you continue on in your own direction and I will do the same in mine.
Hopefully one of us might suceed. Good Luck!
Thank You for hanging in there, if you find you were able to produce overunity from the input. The kind that can power your house. Please let me know. I am a student here.

I have done some experimentation on the L1/L2 side. I believe I can show signs that you can harvest input resonance; more than what you put in. Please look HERE and other videos in my channel.

I just can't do it how DS uses a Laser module and pulls out multiple kWatts.

If I knew how to power my house, I wouldn't be here . I would be building a self sustaining pyramid house somewhere (maybe the Keys).
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Again, do a simple mind experiment : take all curious statements from various famous inventors you can find , write on pieces of paper and combine on desk table. In those words are hidden more then one methods of extracting energy from Earth. That's quite interesting - every famous inventor was trying to say us something, almost like a conspiracy theory,don't you think?
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Again, do a simple mind experiment : take all curious statements from various famous inventors you can find , write on pieces of paper and combine on desk table. In those words are hidden more then one methods of extracting energy from Earth. That's quite interesting - every famous inventor was trying to say us something, almost like a conspiracy theory,don't you think?
When you know the destination, any map of the area reveals one or maybe multiple paths to the destination. When you don't know where the destination is, a map is just piece of paper.

Point the way.

One of my core tenants in making a working device is using feedback. That's why I liked your suggestion of parametric feedback. I don't know quite how to do that with electronics, but if I put feedback in terms of the Kacher/Slayer, I figure this. I can drive a (L1)primary to resonate with the (L2)secondary to cause radiation. I can harvest that radiation in a tuned (L3)coil, and drive a load such that (L1)primary doesn't see the load. If this is true it's easy to stack slayer primaries to boost the output, you simply create another (L1')primary driver circuit and share the feedback from the (L2)secondary coil.

I should be able to drive that (L1')primary solely with the (L3) harvested.

My theory since it's feedback, it should build my power output, which I can limit with GDT or Varistor.

What do you think? The advantage is the feedback should be amplifying the resonating pulses?
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When you know the destination, any map of the area reveals one or maybe multiple paths to the destination. When you don't know where the destination is, a map is just piece of paper.

Point the way.

One of my core tenants in making a working device is using feedback. That's why I liked your suggestion of parametric feedback. I don't know quite how to do that with electronics, but if I put feedback in terms of the Kacher/Slayer, I figure this. I can drive a (L1)primary to resonate with the (L2)secondary to cause radiation. I can harvest that radiation in a tuned (L3)coil, and drive a load such that (L1)primary doesn't see the load. If this is true it's easy to stack slayer primaries to boost the output, you simply create another (L1')primary driver circuit and share the feedback from the (L2)secondary coil.

I should be able to drive that (L1')primary solely with the (L3) harvested.

My theory since it's feedback, it should build my power output, which I can limit with GDT or Varistor.

What do you think? The advantage is the feedback should be amplifying the resonating pulses?
Big YES. You are almost there if you understand what I said : all those cryptic tips are pointing to do deep research in area. Like "keep resonance" by Tariel Kapanadze - you must immediately recall Tesla who did the same and explained in his interview. He had however a big problem - to obtain COP>1 he needed a circuit controller capable of doing disruptive discharge. You know what - that's exactly the same problem we have today ! That's also exactly what Don Smith never said. You never got overunity without magnetic diode ;-) so you see that small sentence contain very dense knowledge
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disruptive discharge
keep resonance
recreating the lightning
splitting the positive
(Tom Bearden) don't kill the dipole
ring twice
some tips from Steven Mark and his stories
and many others
Figuera mentioned that it's like the egg's of Columbus
Kapanadze : so simple you would laugh
watch Dragon's Den with Richard Willis


how much help you need ? isn't that enough ?
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disruptive discharge
keep resonance
recreating the lightning
splitting the positive
(Tom Bearden) don't kill the dipole
ring twice
some tips from Steven Mark and his stories
and many others
Figuera mentioned that it's like the egg's of Columbus
Kapanadze : so simple you would laugh
watch Dragon's Den with Richard Willis


how much help you need ? isn't that enough ?
Enough? Never, even if I have a success. It's better than worrying about how ****ty this existence really is. It kills the pain.

I kind of understand the keep the resonance business, which I didn't expect in my Slayer circuits, I found out that different lengths of connecting leads changed my system output performance. Changing my power leads to the breadboard reduced my output by 25%.

So I eventually based my L1 to match the length of all my gator jumpers, I think that's why I can light 15W LED using only 6W of input power.

I have a vision of an end device that beats like a heart, vibrates to rhythms of it's itself and a part of the whole body of Earth.

Thanks for the help. I just don't have all those allusions available to cross reference by memory; but I got google. I will digest them and try to move my baby steps forward.

I did make progress today as I was able to regulate the output of my L3 with a 12V zener, so I know I can provide a feedback circuit with regulated DC.
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How did Don Smith keep the charge up in a capacitor? I seem to remember you explaining how Don used the displacement current or something to quickly charge a capacitor.
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Hi guys,
Have been building a couple of coils for my corona experiment. Have been using the Slayer circuit. As soon as I go over 13 or so volts, I seem to lose the transistor. I think I am getting spike from L2 coil into base collector junction. This is happening on both orientations of circuit npn or pnp. What I have noticed is that the hight the frequency you can work with, using the ferrite pick up coil, the greater the output to the LED gloges. Only a small thing, but, a small success story!! Am awaiting some bits for the second stage using wireless with the Slayer. I have also seen a double Slayer on Youtube from a mr Speigel.

Having to buy another NST as the last one I had has failed when I set it up today. Another $50!

I like the notion of isolating the various key messages from other developers'. Try to establish a common connection or relationship.

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Hi guys,
Returning to a comment I made in a previous post, it might be that Tesla's Antenna system of harvesting atmospheric energy might just be the use of amorphous selenium on a receiver plate. Not such a difficult process to work with for use of experimentation. Could be cheaper than PV cells and operates 24/7!! Check health hazards!!

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Returning to a comment I made in a previous post, it might be that Tesla's Antenna system of harvesting atmospheric energy might just be the use of amorphous selenium on a receiver plate. Not such a difficult process to work with for use of experimentation. Could be cheaper than PV cells and operates 24/7!! Check health hazards!!

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The older copy machines had a aluminum drum covered with selenium.
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The older copy machines had a aluminum drum covered with selenium.
Hi ilandtan,
As you have noted your experience with these types of photocopiers, I am going to tread carefully! I think I am correct in stating than the drums used in photocopiers were coated while rotating and also charged with a drum covered in fine needles - But that charging technique might have been a Xerox propriety feature. At the point of light the charged particles become electrified and the dark ares become none active. On some machines the drum or plate is recoated, on some others cooked plated were just recharged.. I think the point I am getting to is Se when fixed "cooked" to a plate, during daylight, the Se is active. At nighttime, it is my understanding that the Se is UV sensitive only, thereby, providing an energy source 24/7 as a collector material. I would suppose, and have not found the reverse opportunity of using an alternative method other than light or UV to get the Se to operate in its own electric zone. Would an electric charge be enough to activate the Se as an alternative to light? I have ordered some Se for experimentation in the new year!! I would think Don would have passed through this information at some time? I shall Suck it and see.

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As you have noted your experience with these types of photocopiers, I am going to tread carefully! I think I am correct in stating than the drums used in photocopiers were coated while rotating and also charged with a drum covered in fine needles - But that charging technique might have been a Xerox propriety feature. At the point of light the charged particles become electrified and the dark ares become none active. On some machines the drum or plate is recoated, on some others cooked plated were just recharged.. I think the point I am getting to is Se when fixed "cooked" to a plate, during daylight, the Se is active. At nighttime, it is my understanding that the Se is UV sensitive only, thereby, providing an energy source 24/7 as a collector material. I would suppose, and have not found the reverse opportunity of using an alternative method other than light or UV to get the Se to operate in its own electric zone. Would an electric charge be enough to activate the Se as an alternative to light? I have ordered some Se for experimentation in the new year!! I would think Don would have passed through this information at some time? I shall Suck it and see.

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You don't have to tread that lightly, I only fixed them, and did not design them.

I could however offer that the Bias voltage was a key adjustment, as the corona would could only charge the SE surface to a certain point, because the halogen lamps only had a certain level of light for neutralization; allowing the toner (powdered plastic) to statically adhere to the drum. Which had to be pulled off the drum on to the paper by the transfer corona.

That being said, I don't know the foundation of your experiment. I am trying to understand the magnitude.

It might be that UV is present 24/7, but how much energy is that?
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You don't have to tread that lightly, I only fixed them, and did not design them.

I could however offer that the Bias voltage was a key adjustment, as the corona would could only charge the SE surface to a certain point, because the halogen lamps only had a certain level of light for neutralization; allowing the toner (powdered plastic) to statically adhere to the drum. Which had to be pulled off the drum on to the paper by the transfer corona.

That being said, I don't know the foundation of your experiment. I am trying to understand the magnitude.

It might be that UV is present 24/7, but how much energy is that?
Hi ilandtan,
It might be only a distraction. I am constantly waiting for components or materials, or trying to source something or working out what to do! I am waiting for components to arrive to tie up the Slayer tests, some machined parts for my Figuera device are ready and I am trying to work out how a resonant DC HV corona charge device works. I have some Carnauba wax on its way. The Selenium has slipped into the equation. However, there is a lot of interest in its usefulness. I do not have the conditions necessary to produce a satisfactory selenium cell. I still remain on course with the Don Smith outcome. The Selenium will be sometime next year!

Thanks for your advice on this.

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Hi ilandtan,
Have just finished Don's videos' you posted. I liked part 2, third trimester! best. More or less gives it all away. Consolidates information. I think this is the only video that I have seen where he becomes quite specific.

Not to be seen as biased, I am trying to watch Rick's video at speed increase 3:1. Will stop if something looks interesting!

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Crazy Thoughts Of Don Smith Device

I know if you study Don Smith's devices, and you come to the realization that devices, in his explanations don't behave the way he describes. The "Don Smith Effect" is something that he says is how all his devices work, but yet it is nonsense.

How do you charge a plate of a capacitor, and only use the negative side to ground to power a load.

My answer is to make the first plate a radiator, and then use charge separation to collect the radiated energy between the negative plate and Earth ground.

I can prove this works.

Now imagine a very large capacitor fully charged to maximum capacity, imagine the negative plate attached to a load and then to Earth ground. Disconnect Positive plate and insulate to minimize leakage.

You get no current flow to the load to earth ground why?

Because the capacity isn't measured from the positive plate of the capacitor, the capacity is between the negative plate and ground, which is tiny no matter how big the capacitor is. Hence Don is Nuts... well but what if we visualize the same scenario but we start thinking the negative plate is not stationary, but a rotating disk.

Through charge separation, the positive plate is positive because we have emptied the electrons, and then gathered on the negative plate. If we disconnect the positive plate, the negative plate will remain electrostatically charged thus saturating the plate with electrons. If we spin the electrons off, we are creating a negative pressure zone, by pumping the electrons out of Earth ground.

It's like taking hose in a pool and spinning it around, the rotation creates suction going against gravity. Because you created the pump effect.

The flow of electrons creates current, the electrostatic induction assures a hefty gain as the electrons spin into the ambient again to be reused.
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some thoughts based on experiments.

The capacitance is AS IS, it varies by the materials and how its constructed, the value can be measured by its physical properties.

whether the load is on the positive plate or the negative, as long as there is electric potential there will be an electric current and the load will be powered.

electricity isn't just about electrons.
plates aren't "CHARGED" with anything.
there are some videos where capacitors are charged and disassembled and sorts of things to see where this "Charges" are "Stored".

"Positively charged Plates" are like "Hot Plates"
"Negatively charged Plates are like "Cold Plates"
(or the other way around).

when two are joined by a conductor you would have a "current" or "conduction"
BUT..
there is still a "Current" through the insulator and the ambient air, known as "leakage current".
No batteries/capacitors remains "Charged" is a proof of that.
you can never stop the current flow, only slow it down.

"Heat" and "Electricity" are both recognized as forms of "Energy"..
being both "Energy" they should show similar behaviors don't you think?..
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