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Old 11-17-2018, 03:51 PM
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Just to show that I am not the only one thinking this direction please view this. I know his videos want me to go into coma, or wash my clothes or do dishes. His analysis is sound. Just remember he's graduated to selling something, which now makes me suspicious.

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No. You have to have a single plate insulated from ground. Or any surface able to store charge. Then you have to find a way to make it charged (secret one) , make it "into" two plate capacitor (secret two) , make positive feedback aka parametric resonance (secret three) and so on. It's a bucket full of secrets. Those who find the answer , found just the method to self-control the secrets to work together.

Let me recall Tesla's words: "It was evident to me that wireless transmission of energy, if it could ever be accomplished, is not an invention; it is an art. Bell's telephone, Edison's phonograph, or my induction motor were inventions, but the wireless transmission of energy is an art that requires a great many inventions in combination. "


imho, secret one resembles very closely the way we statically charge by induction
Hi Boguslaw,
I read an article by Tom Swift in PJK's book recently. In it he suggests one connection to the positive of the capacitor after the rectifier and one connection to the case of the capacitor before the diode. Is this what you might be suggesting?

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I read an article by Tom Swift in PJK's book recently. In it he suggests one connection to the positive of the capacitor after the rectifier and one connection to the case of the capacitor before the diode. Is this what you might be suggesting?

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You may find secret one explained in one of Tesla GB patents in some weird manner. It connects two seemingly unrelated Tesla US patents.
People take it directly but it'a a diagram only. Yes, Tesla patent about radiant energy describe method and picture is only a diagram to depict flow of thoughts .
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You may find secret one explained in one of Tesla GB patents in some weird manner. It connects two seemingly unrelated Tesla US patents.
People take it directly but it'a a diagram only. Yes, Tesla patent about radiant energy describe method and picture is only a diagram to depict flow of thoughts .
You talking about this?

Improvements relating to the utilization of electromagnetic, light or other like radiations effects or disturbances transmitted through the natural media and to apparatus therefor

Figure 4?
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Just to show that I am not the only one thinking this direction please view this. I know his videos want me to go into coma, or wash my clothes or do dishes. His analysis is sound. Just remember he's graduated to selling something, which now makes me suspicious.

Hi ilandtan,
Yes one can go into a stupor watching this guy! On average from what I have seen, he takes 1 hour to present a five minute topic. The question always in my mind was his issue with John Bedini's provenance. Also, there are a couple of youtube video's where he is running John Bedini dowd, essentially calling him a liar! I find that serves no useful purpose.

On to real things. I am just off to shorten the ferrite coil. I am getting 151 volts reading on my multimeter, even when light globes disconnected. I am wondering if there is a transformer effect also going on. However, when the globes are running I get no current showing on the meter! So it is real time radiant!

I am looking forward to getting onto the second circuit. Just have one issue to solve!

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I only have three GB patents and I have read that one first. If looking for flexibility I am thinking BaTi soaked into a flexible substrate, Good for wrapping? I suppose one have to be careful about how much pressure is created. Although Se is easy to come by. BaTi is now partially prohibited here now. Though we can go down to the beach and get some silicon!! I bought some a BaTi few years back when mucking about with this, but, now I have to show cause! Nanny State or paranoia?

Although, BaTi ans Si have to be cooked up to high temp. From memory the Ba needed to go to 1200C+ The Si would be similar. Then fine crushing, ball milling, and then blended into the host for charging. Lots of work!

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I only have three GB patents and I have read that one first. If looking for flexibility I am thinking BaTi soaked into a flexible substrate, Good for wrapping? I suppose one have to be careful about how much pressure is created. Although Se is easy to come by. BaTi is now partially prohibited here now. Though we can go down to the beach and get some silicon!! I bought some a BaTi few years back when mucking about with this, but, now I have to show cause! Nanny State or paranoia?

Although, BaTi ans Si have to be cooked up to high temp. From memory the Ba needed to go to 1200C+ The Si would be similar. Then fine crushing, ball milling, and then blended into the host for charging. Lots of work!

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Dwane, you have lost me entirely. It's easy because I'm not that smart.

I was seeking to find Boguslaw's reference to some Tesla Great Britain patent that he was saying encapsulated his "secret one" about an isolated from ground charge surface or plate(of a capacitor) and radiation. Most of Tesla patents can be discovered HERE

My reference was for GB patent #11293

I might of misinterpreted "GB patent"... have I?
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Dwane, you have lost me entirely. It's easy because I'm not that smart.

I was seeking to find Boguslaw's reference to some Tesla Great Britain patent that he was saying encapsulated his "secret one" about an isolated from ground charge surface or plate(of a capacitor) and radiation. Most of Tesla patents can be discovered HERE

My reference was for GB patent #11293

I might of misinterpreted "GB patent"... have I?
Yep. Figure 4 . tesla coil make disturbance in ether the result is charged surface (it is free energy)
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Yep. Figure 4 . tesla coil make disturbance in ether the result is charged surface (it is free energy)

Tesla was not the first to notice the effects, he was just clever and used his initiative. The process has been in use for almost 80 years in photocopying machines! So why does it get suppressed in energy?
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Tesla was not the first to notice the effects, he was just clever and used his initiative. The process has been in use for almost 80 years in photocopying machines! So why does it get suppressed in energy?
Yeah,Tesla connected the facts. Why ? It was so weird and against science that it was rejected immediately. Earth magnetic field as a source of energy ? You must be kidding !
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Yeah,Tesla connected the facts. Why ? It was so weird and against science that it was rejected immediately. Earth magnetic field as a source of energy ? You must be kidding !
Boguslaw, do you have gauss meters, a trifield meter(been aching to buy the new one). I would think that if you are doing something right, you must be increasing the magnetic field density... more flux, from disturbing the ambient.

Is that true?

I know that you and Dwane sound to be in agreement, yet is seems like apples and oranges. I used to work on copiers in a previous life. I was trained on Konica 7090s. I don't see how the xerographic process is using magnetism, or how the Earth's magnetism is being disturbed for gain.

What is the gain mechanism?
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The gain mechanism was described here:

The Problem of Increasing Human Energy
With Special Reference to the Harnessing of the Sun’s Energy.
by Nikola Tesla

Tesla never described details in plain sight.
C'mon guys, just think. In the example Tesla didn't said something which immediately gives us energy gain. I want you to see the light at the end of tunnel. From deep side to the surface your thoughts must be flowing.
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A DEPARTURE FROM KNOWN METHODS — POSSIBILITY OF A “SELF-ACTING” ENGINE OR MACHINE, INANIMATE, YET CAPABLE, LIKE A LIVING BEING, OF DERIVING ENERGY FROM THE MEDIUM — THE IDEAL WAY OF OBTAINING MOTIVE POWER.


with some earlier Tesla remarks
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Well...here you are....

" As the first step toward this realization I conceived the following mechanism. Imagine a thermopile consisting of a number of bars of metal extending from the earth to the outer space beyond the atmosphere. The heat from below, conducted upward along these metal bars, would cool the earth or the sea or the air, according to the location of the lower parts of the bars, and the result, as is well known, would be an electric current circulating in these bars. The two terminals of the thermopile could now be joined through an electric motor, and, theoretically, this motor would run on and on, until the media below would be cooled down to the temperature of the outer space. This would be an inanimate engine which, to all evidence, would be cooling a portion of the medium below the temperature of the surrounding, and operating by the heat abstracted.
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But was it not possible to realize a similar condition without necessarily going to a height?"
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Well...here you are....

" As the first step toward this realization I conceived the following mechanism. Imagine a thermopile consisting of a number of bars of metal extending from the earth to the outer space beyond the atmosphere. The heat from below, conducted upward along these metal bars, would cool the earth or the sea or the air, according to the location of the lower parts of the bars, and the result, as is well known, would be an electric current circulating in these bars. The two terminals of the thermopile could now be joined through an electric motor, and, theoretically, this motor would run on and on, until the media below would be cooled down to the temperature of the outer space. This would be an inanimate engine which, to all evidence, would be cooling a portion of the medium below the temperature of the surrounding, and operating by the heat abstracted.
(...)
But was it not possible to realize a similar condition without necessarily going to a height?"
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Lass, o lass mich nicht ermatten!

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A DEPARTURE FROM KNOWN METHODS — POSSIBILITY OF A “SELF-ACTING” ENGINE OR MACHINE, INANIMATE, YET CAPABLE, LIKE A LIVING BEING, OF DERIVING ENERGY FROM THE MEDIUM — THE IDEAL WAY OF OBTAINING MOTIVE POWER.


with some earlier Tesla remarks
Is there more ambient(magnetic) energy closer to the surface or beneath the surface of Earth, that there is say 10 meters above the surface?

I saw that when I used an isolated counterpoise on one of my battery leads, it allowed more energy from Earth ground, and allowed "whatever" through a series capacitor. I was able to light a globe that way.
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Hoffnung (Johann Wolfgang Goethe)

Schaff, das Tagwerk meiner Hände,

Hohes Glück, dass ich's vollende!

Lass, o lass mich nicht ermatten!

Nein, es sind nicht leere Träume:

Jetzt nur Stangen, diese Bäume

Geben einst noch Frucht und Schatten.

Johann Wolfgang Goethe (1749-1832)
My Google translate does not lose to much methinks!

Hope (Johann Wolfgang Goethe)

Schaff, the day's work of my hands,

High luck, that I complete it!

Let me, o let me not weary!

No, they are not empty dreams:

Now only poles, these trees

Once again give fruit and shade.

Johann Wolfgang Goethe (1749-1832)



i have look at my previous notes - not many! I am going to try something different to corona charging. Cold press charging! If it works, will be a substantially simpler method for the new magnetism! Hopefully I can get onto it by the weekend! things are getting exiting.

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lofty Fortune, I may complete!
Grant that they will not exhaust me!
No, these are not empty dreams:
now but mere poles, these trees
will one day give fruit and shade.
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Just to show that I am not the only one thinking this direction please view this. I know his videos want me to go into coma, or wash my clothes or do dishes. His analysis is sound. Just remember he's graduated to selling something, which now makes me suspicious.

Hi ilandtan:
He mumbles too much without a coherent theme! Without the FREE BOOK, which does not seem to be available, unless(!!) it comes with the expensive kit, the video is quite useless. Again, it is all about his Mastery of the Free Energy. He is such a Clutz! Who puts black on black when showing a demonstration. Is it to deliberately confuse the viewer? It is also impossible to make out where everything starts and stops. So theoretically, his demonstration could be a DUD?

Also, did you know that he moderates the comments that are made? Yes, he deletes all those comments that criticise him. I suppose that tells us something. Thanks for the reference, but, I just cannot sit there waiting for something real to happen. Off to do the dishes, then do the laundry, mow the lawn, and have rest reading Moby Dick!

If I had persevered with my research 8 years ago, and not get sidetracked, I might have been producing Dos Smith devices without even knowing he existed!


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Rick definitely fails English Communication 101 class. Where plain, to the point wording is the goal. I think if Rick knew how to actually make a DS device, he would be able to give the recipe in a one well written paragraph.

Rick does post these videos of Don, and I didn't realize they were available. We can thank master yawn for that.

Don draws step by step through one of his devices in the 1994, and I realize that I haven't been building the harvesting side.



There is also an actual hand drawing of the device that Don's help failed to fire up in 1994 at energyevo.com, and you realize why it didn't work right away.

Also look at the 1995

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Hi ilandtan,
In my dreams, I thought Rick was demonstrating his Tesla knowledge! He was using black to limit the reactive light on his sodium selenosulphate coated coils? Too much for me. Extreeeeemely toxic to use. But, if caution is the word of the day, a very useful compound when painted black!! Was it Einstein's Black Body radiation treatise? Completely different and off topic.

I am back to where I was about 7-8 years ago when looking at this area. Very frustrating. Making samples that do not work!! I am going to concentrate on polypropylene as this is a recyclable polymer. Melting point around 100C and susceptible. Greatly reduces toxicity!!

Thanks for the extra videos. I did look at Rick's online store and noticed a few references to the Don's videos', but thought I must have them. Obviously not. Maybe I should email him for his FREE copy to read his video?Perhaps the best videos I have watched are those from "The Old Scientist" I think he must remove them from time to time as I went looking for an excellent short video on Resonance. You know, 5 minutes as opposed to two hours!!! Professionalism at its best.

I will view these tonight. Have the electrician coming in today to finish off the roughing out of the wiring. Then I can put the floor down, Plumber has done most of his roughing out. With the floor down I can get on with making the window frames. This particular building has taken its toll on me.

One final thought. Tesla's aerial collection system. Could his collector plates have been coated with a Se compound, do you think?

Edit: I will make comment on the usefulness of Sodium selenosulphte if used as a collector and that is 24/7 collection. It will harvest the UV component which can be reduced to DC! Better than Solar Panels?

Once again thanks

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Not good for powering an EV at these frequencies, but probably good for a UFO

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Rick definitely fails English Communication 101 class. Where plain, to the point wording is the goal. I think if Rick knew how to actually make a DS device, he would be able to give the recipe in a one well written paragraph.

Rick does post these videos of Don, and I didn't realize they were available. We can thank master yawn for that.

Don draws step by step through one of his devices in the 1994, and I realize that I haven't been building the harvesting side.



There is also an actual hand drawing of the device that Don's help failed to fire up in 1994 at energyevo.com, and you realize why it didn't work right away.

Also look at the 1995

My simulations of simple step up transformers in three distinct softwares: Micro Cap, LTSpice and numerous derivations of Paul Falstad take a drastic nosedive whenever I steer away from the magical frequency of one mega hz, higher or lower.

William Lyne's thesis in his "Ether Physics" paperback on his theory and exposition of Tesla's UFO technology starts making sense when I consider the ridiculousness of powering an EV with this frequency.

Thanks for these video links. They made my day!

I stand corrected......
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Hi guys,
In one of my previous posts I posted a shot of the corona coming from the end of the Tesla coil. I am setting up a corona discharge contraption for charging some material and subsequent tests. I am using the well worn Mazilli
circuit. At the tip of the positive output, I am not getting any corona. I am at 12kv on my Beckman probe. But, I am getting a cold wind of sorts. Curious. Should I be using my Tesla coil as the source for the charging? Also, as I think I should be using the ionised air about the pointy output, should I put a capacitor in the circuit for current into the corona?

the problem I see, is when reading technical papers describing the corona process I get mixed signals. Some say current, when I thought they should be saying voltage. Others say no current as this will kill the charge. Others have said you need current to encourage the mix!?!?! I am of course, looking at older papers for general information opportunities. Newer papers have moved into a whole new realm and exotic doped materials aiming at specific areas of industry.


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Hi guys,

Glad to see people still trying to get things working on this thread.

I've been doing some experimenting also and imho high voltage and radio frequencies (mhz) is the way to go.
Remember that Don said " Doubling the voltage or frequency will quadruple
the output"

Don't see much talk here about 1/4 wave resonance.
This is very.very important as I will give an example.

I wound a single layer coil with 400 turns of #30 wire using a 1 in.diam.pvc coil form about 6 in. long. Wire length was 110 ft. 234/110= 2.1 mhz. as the 1/4 wave-length.
Remember, this coil type has 2 resonant points. one is the 1/4 wave point
and the other is the self-resonant LC tank frequency that uses the built-in
coil capacitance.

At the coil base was a loosely coupled coil of 6 turns. One end grounded and other end attached to output of an rf generator.
Bottom end of hv coil also at ground.
Top end of coil was connected to a hv rectifier with a 1000pf bypass cap.
I then connected a volt meter to the output of rectifier.
While watching the meter, I adjusted the generator freq. for maximum output. Output rose to a maximum of 195 volts.

I again watched the meter while adjusting the freq. to see what the lower
freq. of LC would be.
I got maximum output of 9.7 volts at 740khz.
Both readings using 1 volt output from generator.
Hope this info might help somebody.
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It may have nothing to do with the coils

Hi Elcheapo,

IMHO it may not have anything with the front end resonance. He eliminates the L1/L2 coil entirely in at least three different devices.
  • The "Commercial" with just a 60Hz NST to Diodes and Dry-Var Caps
  • The "Coke Machine" device; 12V NST to diodes to cap
  • The Tube Plasma device

So if he created devices without resonant exciter coils... what really is important?

I am starting to lean towards the resonant iron core primary, with the shunt variable capacitor/resistor to Earth ground. Don says in the 1994 video that the shunt dams up the energy. I imagine the capacitor and the primary oscillating to the standing wave, and radiating electrons continues to pump in from the ambient, like a whirlpool, and the drain is the Earth ground. So with the same analogy, too big a drain and the Ether flows to Earth nothing being harvested, just enough drain and the movement churns the magnetic Ether, which is basically flux, which can be converted to real current.

My theory anyways...

Don says the iron core is where over-unity happens.
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Hi Elcheapo,
Have just done the Don's resonance calculation with my ilantan replication. I am getting 584Khz from 234/397 feet. The frequency when running was showing up on the scope as 585Khz!. Amazing! I wind my coils by even weight!

Thanks for the tip on resonance. I completely missed that with the corona discharge. I do not think in all of the papers I read, trying to get a handle on the process, was there once any mention of a resonant power supply. This is why my Tesla coil is coroning and the Mazilli is not. Somewhere new to start!!

Once again many thanks.

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ilandtan says" what really is important?"

If you're trying to get a cop>1 then efficiency is very important.
An nst rated at 4000 volts and 30ma is using 120 watts of power!
When I drive my coil with just 10 watts from the old ham rig, I get 9000 volts out.
(No,don't go buying a used rig as there are easier ways to to it)
It's the resonant circuits that creates this efficiency, so we need coils to do it.

Don had the financial interests of the investors to contend with,
So everything he says should be "taken with a grain of salt"

We should just be using our own brain to work things out and use just some of Don's theories that make some sense to us.

We need to start by understanding how the system is supposed to work, and where the extra energy is coming from.



Dwane,

Yes, that resonant input power is the way to go.
Keep going, as you're on the right track.
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ilandtan says" what really is important?"

If you're trying to get a cop>1 then efficiency is very important.
An nst rated at 4000 volts and 30ma is using 120 watts of power!
When I drive my coil with just 10 watts from the old ham rig, I get 9000 volts out.
(No,don't go buying a used rig as there are easier ways to to it)
It's the resonant circuits that creates this efficiency, so we need coils to do it.

Don had the financial interests of the investors to contend with,
So everything he says should be "taken with a grain of salt"

We should just be using our own brain to work things out and use just some of Don's theories that make some sense to us.

We need to start by understanding how the system is supposed to work, and where the extra energy is coming from.
I'm saying the same thing. Why make assumptions when the evidence is to the contrary?

Where are your coils here?

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I'm saying the same thing. Why make assumptions when the evidence is to the contrary?

Where are your coils here?

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Look at the bottom left of the picture and you will see a highly efficient
toroid coil!
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Old 11-28-2018, 08:21 PM
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Right, the schematic with not-correctly placed diode in diode bridge ? I don't know if it's a working device but I must reflect here many statements which are important. For many devices described in newspapers there is a note that electrician or scientist examined device and they said : it's impossible to be working that way. Like for example two coils completely not coupled inductively or diodes in wrong directions. You can find the same in Richard Willis patent.
The energy that comes goes "the wrong way around" - that's that problem for all replicators, because excess energy is coming from other source.
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