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Old 01-11-2017, 07:33 AM
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Perreault Plasma Valve Stage 1 Disclosure

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Steel and aluminum bolts for the PPV .

I just wanted to say thank you to tswift, Mwtj and Serendipitor for keeping the PPV details a secret.

I know this next move will be appreciated as they won't have to conceal any part of the device from anyone.

I won't have to photoshop any pictures either.

I present to you the Perreault Plasma Valve Stage 1

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The anode should be made from aluminum.

The cathode should be made from iron. (Steel is close enough)


However, there is a little twist in the story

The most efficient PPV Stage 1 can be made by having a domed anode and a pin point cathode!

So opposite of what is shown in the pictures.


If you have access to a lathe then I'm sure you can make a better dome.

The finer the threads the more adjustable your PPV will be.







Not many inventors get to invent there own electrical components and symbols.




What is a PPV?

It is an ultra high frequency, high voltage, plasma diode. It is the key component that will allow you to tap the endless sea of ions for your electrical needs.

Moray used radioactive material to break down the gap resistance. The PPV uses dissimilar metals to do the same thing.
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Old 01-11-2017, 07:59 AM
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Now we can talk about this publicly tswift.



"I was amazed how big a difference in the coil ringing the PPV made! Now the waveform is very little transient and almost all clean ringing at the resonant frequency. I'm guessing with the antenna attached and tuned, the waveform will be virtually a steady-state sine wave."

Have you measured to see if your findings were correct?
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But I must say that having bright shiny copper for the antenna is a tall order, in this rainy climate. All my wire antennas get a surface corrosion over time. I'll clean up the wire initially, but it will not stay that way.

Tesla talked about polishing the surface of his plate collectors as well.
Oxidized bare copper wire has rectifying ability.

Apparently Moray used this for an antenna too.

Rain increases the amount of ions available.
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The earth ground is definitely important. Hence why Tesla used a 300ft deep earth over an aquifer for Wardenclyffe.

Yes, this is very exotic and unachievable by 99.9999999% of people.

You just have to do your best, based on your funds.

An 8ft deep dedicated ground rod is most probably going to be a basic necessity.



Thank you very much
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Old 01-11-2017, 06:16 PM
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Now we can talk about this publicly tswift.

"I was amazed how big a difference in the coil ringing the PPV made! Now the waveform is very little transient and almost all clean ringing at the resonant frequency. I'm guessing with the antenna attached and tuned, the waveform will be virtually a steady-state sine wave."

Have you measured to see if your findings were correct?
So glad you guys decided to release this! Combined with the information in the download e-book and this thread, this is now a complete public release of a stage 1 type device. I hope everyone realizes how important this is, it can now be replicated around the world, at least by those skilled enough in electronics. I think it is likely to be unstoppable now.

Now that I have a working HV supply I will try it attached to the antenna later today! Hope to have more test results soon. I also invested in a true 100x HV oscilloscope probe with 5kv capability so I can do better measurements on live circuits.

Back when I sent this to soundiceuk originally, I was driving the primary with the PVM12 directly as you would a Tesla coil. Using a regular spark gap instead of the PPV will make the coil oscillate of course, but I found that once I changed the anode to the aluminum point that it worked much better, with less transient and much cleaner ringing.
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Old 01-11-2017, 09:21 PM
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So glad you guys decided to release this! Combined with the information in the download e-book and this thread, this is now a complete public release of a stage 1 type device. I hope everyone realizes how important this is, it can now be replicated around the world, at least by those skilled enough in electronics. I think it is likely to be unstoppable now.

Now that I have a working HV supply I will try it attached to the antenna later today! Hope to have more test results soon. I also invested in a true 100x HV oscilloscope probe with 5kv capability so I can do better measurements on live circuits.

Back when I sent this to soundiceuk originally, I was driving the primary with the PVM12 directly as you would a Tesla coil. Using a regular spark gap instead of the PPV will make the coil oscillate of course, but I found that once I changed the anode to the aluminum point that it worked much better, with less transient and much cleaner ringing.


i have a question about the effectiveness of PPV in high voltage high frequency environment, does it really effective in MHZ range frequency precisely around 1 MHZ frequency, the voltage around 40 KV, my work is similar to your work but i am focusing on earth electrons or ground grounding , i need more info about the PPV based on your experiments , thanks in advance
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Old 01-11-2017, 10:54 PM
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I would just try it. What's the worst that can happen?

It beats blowing up expensive HV diodes.

I wondered what would happen if a PPV was used on a hairpin circuit
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Grinding time!!

I would refine the finish with some fine grade 800, 1000, 2000 grit.

Polish it if you can afterwards.

Sharper the tip the better.
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I would just try it. What's the worst that can happen?

It beats blowing up expensive HV diodes.

I wondered what would happen if a PPV was used on a hairpin circuit


nothing worst will happen i am just asking maybe there's some special recommendation for better performance, it will be part from a special tuning mechanism i hope to success in it !
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nothing worst will happen i am just asking maybe there's some special recommendation for better performance, it will be part from a special tuning mechanism i hope to success in it !
There is a particular reason it is used for 500KHZ STORM FREQUENCY.

The whole design purpose of using it, is to convert this natural planetary frequency into standing waves.

The primary side is electromagnetic (electrons) and follows ohms law.

The secondary side is radioionic (ions) and ohms law is reversed.

It wasn't designed to do anything else.

I'm still waiting for the first replicator to show a bulb/s shorted and still running to show it is low voltage / high frequency.


It will be interesting to see what anomalies anyone finds though.

Got to be safer than experimenting with rail guns and exploding wires!

Happy experimenting!
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There is a particular reason it is used for 500KHZ STORM FREQUENCY.

The whole design purpose of using it, is to convert this natural planetary frequency into standing waves.

The primary side is electromagnetic (electrons) and follows ohms law.

The secondary side is radioionic (ions) and ohms law is reversed.

It wasn't designed to do anything else.

I'm still waiting for the first replicator to show a bulb/s shorted and still running to show it is low voltage / high frequency.


It will be interesting to see what anomalies anyone finds though.

Got to be safer than experimenting with rail guns and exploding wires!

Happy experimenting!



500KHZ and the ability to rectify is enough for me ! thanks
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Thank you guys for the info on the cap. It is good news!

Sorry for that but I have another question... (as I have said before I may have many!! )

It is the second time I see a replication using magnet wire on the hv side. (L1-L2) Do these wire are really enough insulate for that??? If so it is another good news cause I have a bunch of them. For how much volt are they be made for? Maybe using these magnet wire with some spacer between the turn to avoid arcing, I think of something like plastic wire from a grass trimmer...
This is speculation but we believe Moray kept burning out his valves in the day because he wasn't using HV wire.

The ion surges are much greater in the day.
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Lots of sparky-sparky, resonance still elusive

I had some time to spend testing the device this evening. First I rewound the L2 coil with HV wire, as it was apparent that with the whole L1 coil charged to 12KVDC potential, the wire I was using was not going to insulate against that kind of difference. It looks like I will probably have to make another L1 coil and do it right with HV wire but as a half measure I just did L2.

I also used my new HV probe to measure the floating potential on the L2 side circuit and I found that it was at about -3.5KVDC, with a blip every time the PPV fires. This can be seen in the blue scope trace in the picture. Unfortunately, my antenna is not at the same place as my shop building where my electronics workbench is. To test the rig I have to haul the whole thing outdoors and about 100 yards away. To make my life simpler for testing and tuning, I use an antenna simulator so I can power it up in the shop. I don't believe this will give the same effects as the antenna will, but it will make the PPV fire and coils ring and can be used to check resonant frequencies and proper operation of the circuit. Now that I stocked up on some HV resistors, I use a 100M resistor to ground from the connection where the antenna would go. This gives a firing rate of about 500 Hz on the PPV. There is enough current leakage due to either conductivity in the wood, insulation leakage, or corona that I get just a little sparking in the PPV even with no antenna and no resistor.

Since the circuit seemed to be operating properly I hauled it out to the testing location. With the antenna and ground connected I got a strong spark, I didn't bring the scope out but it was audible and sounded similar to when it was on the bench, so several hundred hertz. I tuned C2 up and down slowly and carefully looking for any change but didn't notice anything. I left C2 at the position I tested to be 500 KHz on the bench and tried tuning C3 instead, but likewise nothing. So I brought the test rig back to the shop for further tuning. Somehow it's still far enough out of tune not to be even close, more troubleshooting is needed. Also, I may not get any results at all with the magnet wire coil, it seems that the HV wire really is a must.

I'm encouraged that this is a step forward, at least I'm getting good charging voltage now. The static charging effect around the device is noticeable and I get a zap every time disconnecting the battery. The ozone is also significant, in the shop I have to run a fan to help dissipate it.
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I figured out at least part of the problem. Originally I had designed the L2 secondary as a smaller tube within the L1 primary. I arranged the C3 capacitance for resonance with the measured inductance of the L2 coil done that way, and I never changed it when I swapped L2 for two turns of wire wound around the outside! Silly mistake, it will need much more capacitance to resonance at 500 KHz.
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There is a particular reason it is used for 500KHZ STORM FREQUENCY.

The whole design purpose of using it, is to convert this natural planetary frequency into standing waves.

The primary side is electromagnetic (electrons) and follows ohms law.

The secondary side is radioionic (ions) and ohms law is reversed.

It wasn't designed to do anything else.

I'm still waiting for the first replicator to show a bulb/s shorted and still running to show it is low voltage / high frequency.


It will be interesting to see what anomalies anyone finds though.

Got to be safer than experimenting with rail guns and exploding wires!

Happy experimenting!

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The primary side is radioionic (ions) and ohms law is reversed.

The secondary side is electromagnetic (electrons) and follows ohms law.
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Serendipitor what is your PPV mounted on?
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Tswift, please can you clarify what you mean by:

"I also used my new HV probe to measure the floating potential on the L2 side circuit and I found that it was at about -3.5KVDC, with a blip every time the PPV fires."

Also what is the red wire in the picture?
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Tswift, please can you clarify what you mean by:

"I also used my new HV probe to measure the floating potential on the L2 side circuit and I found that it was at about -3.5KVDC, with a blip every time the PPV fires."

Also what is the red wire in the picture?
The red wire is the focus wire coming from the flyback
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Do you know another way then using a signal generator for tuning into resonance the primary at 500 kHz??
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Double Ground Rod Passive Energy Receiver

Using Double Grounds Only

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrBCY8nKqQM


Using Antenna

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxuoPQC7rbQ
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The whole design purpose of using it, is to convert this natural planetary frequency into standing waves.

The primary side is radioionic (ions) and ohms law is reversed.
The secondary side is electromagnetic (electrons) and follows ohms law.*
This is the most significant statement and a real confirmation of Morray's (and Tesla's) entire science.
Standing waves can be magnified! (By synchronising with the larger atmospheric wave cycles I believe).

I've been following this forum for a couple of years on and off and very excited by the Bruce P inspired experimentation. If any one cares to comment on the following I'm most grateful. Moray used the antennae wire to capture electro-static waves of Ion particles, and amplified the initial incoming wave-spark-pulsed electro-static, right?

How did he do that? Seems to have been a combination of cat's whisker crystal valve configuration where a series of such valves were configured in such a way as to create a "copy + cascade" phenomena. (A Fibonacci configuration comes to mind (1,2,3,5,13) but may be way of track.) My point or question is how to amplify the incoming wave? Something more than a single PPV?
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I've found, over the years of experimentation, the earth grounds ( ground to ground ) is exceptionally energetic throughout the day and night.

The main difference between the ground/ground and ground/air is the conversion process. Ground/air requires us to deal with a HV conversion to magnetic then to current, the ground/ground is pure current with little voltage and requires a current to magnetic which leads to voltage.

The ground/ground has little to no problems in storms with huge current spikes where the ground/air has a significant risk with extreme voltage spikes. I believe the energy density is about the same either way as it all comes from the same place. The major challenge is in the conversion process, either way.... you deal with super high voltages or massive currents.

Below is an early project I built some 10 years back that functions on grounds only. It will run 24/7 with variations in output - evenings seem most energetic where early mornings are less active which increases to its peak during the day. I believe it's all related to the storm activity around the globe. It uses a ULF ferrite rod and runs in the range of 400hz, I've built several using basic AM frequencies that work well also - all the frequencies that exist, man made and natural, are on the ground lines.

When setting up your grounds they should be aligned to magnetic North. The North rod(s) must be deeper than the South to match the magnetic dip and no less than 30ft apart. You can use the Hartman and Curry grid as a guidline...

There are a number of early ground antenna patents that are quite interesting, as well, some of the early earth battery patents can give you some interesting details for harvesting energy from the ground.

Bruce and I discussed alot of this stuff a few years back, we differed only slightly in most thoughts but I had my head stuck in the ground and he was looking toward the sky.... all fun stuff either way.
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Does this spark gap look familiar?
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Does this spark gap look familiar?
Same concept?
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I've found, over the years of experimentation, the earth grounds ( ground to ground ) is exceptionally energetic throughout the day and night.

The main difference between the ground/ground and ground/air is the conversion process. Ground/air requires us to deal with a HV conversion to magnetic then to current, the ground/ground is pure current with little voltage and requires a current to magnetic which leads to voltage.

The ground/ground has little to no problems in storms with huge current spikes where the ground/air has a significant risk with extreme voltage spikes. I believe the energy density is about the same either way as it all comes from the same place. The major challenge is in the conversion process, either way.... you deal with super high voltages or massive currents.

Below is an early project I built some 10 years back that functions on grounds only. It will run 24/7 with variations in output - evenings seem most energetic where early mornings are less active which increases to its peak during the day. I believe it's all related to the storm activity around the globe. It uses a ULF ferrite rod and runs in the range of 400hz, I've built several using basic AM frequencies that work well also - all the frequencies that exist, man made and natural, are on the ground lines.

When setting up your grounds they should be aligned to magnetic North. The North rod(s) must be deeper than the South to match the magnetic dip and no less than 30ft apart. You can use the Hartman and Curry grid as a guidline...

There are a number of early ground antenna patents that are quite interesting, as well, some of the early earth battery patents can give you some interesting details for harvesting energy from the ground.

Bruce and I discussed alot of this stuff a few years back, we differed only slightly in most thoughts but I had my head stuck in the ground and he was looking toward the sky.... all fun stuff either way.
Hey dragon looks like you were using bifilar coils, were you inducing an oscillation in the ground line.
Would you care to share more info,
Thanks for sharing what you did.
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resonance

Hi Guys;

Haven't posted on this thread for many years now, but just had to
get on to thank "tswift" for post 10835 which gives me the info I needed
for using a scope to check wire length resonance.
Like most other hams & technicians, I did'nt believe you could
get 1/4 or 1/2 wave resonance unless it was only a straight
piece of wire. Boy, was I wrong.
A few years ago I was trying to get some Hi voltage by using the
ham rig to drive a coil with many turns on a 1 in. form.
The rig was set at 10 watts at about 4.2 mc driving a 3 turn link
at the base of the coil.
With about 150 turns of no.24 wire and no cap, the self resonant
freq. checked out at approx. 1400kc. with very little output. No good.

I then decided to try out Dons automatic resonant method
by adding more turns for a wire length of 59 ft.247/4.2=58.8
Now I got output of 5kv! It was then that I knew the old geezer was
right and every coil has TWO resonant points.

I also agree with tswift that accuracy is dependent on coil geometry.
So I now have a better method for checking that accuracy with less
tinkering.

Thanks again tswift.
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While I am waiting for some component am playing with the hairpin circuit.
Definitively the PPV enhance the light output compare to a normal steal/steal spark gap...
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You're welcome! I have tried to document my experiments on these forums, the good, the bad, and the stupid mistakes. Things like experimental procedures are useful and hopefully I can save someone else time from figuring out the things I've already spent time figuring out. If we succeed in producing a workable, reproducible overunity device to bring to the world, it will have been because this was a group effort. I have learned so much from so many that I am glad if I can give back.

The theory and calculations about the coil geometry can be found in Eric Dollard's publication "The Oscillating Current Transformer". The effective wave propagation frequency (phase velocity) depends on the coil aspect ratio. There is a table on the last page that gives values for length/height ratios between 0.1 and 7.0, this covers pretty much all common coils.
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