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Old 05-11-2013, 01:20 PM
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this thread has 1+ million views, 9000+ responses...
And this forum is like all the others.

Names like Tesla, Donald Smith, John Searl, Ed Leedskalnin, Walter Russell, and Marko Rodin are often the most popular topics on these forums....but NOBODY, I mean NOBODY has been able to replicate or fulfill the many outrageous claims of *free energy*.

So fellas what have you come up with?
John Searl appears to be a fraud bilking investors since the 1950s, and today his SEG has yet to take off...

In the final analysis it seems that Donald Smith devices are too good to be true.
Because ALL of you can't be that stupid in trying to replicate his work?
(I will give the 9000+ respondents the benefit of the doubt)

Let me know when you invent the wonder machine.
I will buy it, so will the billions standing in line and the billions still to be born.
Personal fundamental question - did you try to replicate ANY of these devices?
If no, that is you what should consider before even writing here such statements..

If yes, there are too much over head just to try understand what rosetta stones are in working principles in devices of people you mentioned. Unless you understand principles there it is same as to approach nuclear reactor with stone made hammer...

Also please see Global disclosure of civilizations and technologies of a non-Earth origin, including 6000+ patented technologies
And if you want to know truth please check out Citizen Hearing on Disclosure and its 5 day Citizen hearing video session in archives and Tar Sands Oil Extraction - The Dirty Truth - YouTube
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Who knows ,those devices may have a merit. Keep in mind however that air core transformers are very hard to work with. Try to make DC-AC converter using air core transformer Don't compare yourself with Tesla - he had a multi kW generator as a backend for his experiments.... his HV was not from a tiny TV flyback... however with Tesla method it may be possible to get a few hundred watts from flyback....

Artoj, like your schematic.Definately going into my archives.Lots of what I think would work is in it.The version I am thinking about uses gapped flyback core wound tesla style with additonal diodes in series on the secondary.Are you going to build it? I suggest that you do.Thanks for contributing.

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Personal fundamental question - did you try to replicate ANY of these devices?
If no, that is you what should consider before even writing here such statements..
FAIL FAIL FAIL
Personal fundamental question - did you go to the link I offered?
It consists of ONE (1) page not 311 pages.
My Asymmetric SWASTIKA NANO Machines

Because at that link you will find successful thinkers who have tinkered their ideas to the next level, called the future.
Something the Donald Smith fan club has FAILED to do.

Yours and the other 9000+ responses on this thread are by mostly TINKERERS who appear to have a grasp of electricity/magnetism etc.
Good for you.
I honestly respect that, BUT but but

Your response is the kind of response I usually get when I post a simpleton observation.

Fellas like you take offence by my questioning the obvious.
Who then suggest I build what THEY have FAILED to!
There are plenty of EXPERTS on these threads who have produced NOTHING.

Why should I waste my time?
Does misery love company?
Should I join the 1 billion Christians in their beliefs too, just because they have all jumped onto the same bandwagon...?

My question was sincere and straight to the point.
WTF has this thread produced in search of that Donald Smith AHA?
The secrets HE himself could NOT produce in his lifetime, that he took to his grave with him....?

NOTHING!
NADA!
NICHTS!
A big fat ZERO!

It is clear to me that most folks on this thread are trying to replicate a THEORY that D. Smith himself was promoting, an idea that he himself FAILED to take to the next level.

So my next question is...why don't you try to apply NANO technology IDEAS to all of these silly *free energy* devices?

Wouldn't MORE efficiency for the time being be of benefit to humanity, until wankers like John Searl start manufacturing something from nothing?

NANO technologies have PROVEN to make existing tech MORE EFFICIENT.

period
end of story


How much do you want to bet sir that in the next 300 pages of this thread, maybe another 1+ million views, ....NOTHING will continue to be produced from something called a waste of time?

Bet ya waste of time wins the bet.
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FAIL FAIL FAIL
Personal fundamental question - did you go to the link I offered?
My Asymmetric SWASTIKA NANO Machines
I did check the link but it is not related to my research.
Also the answer to your question why there are thousands of wasted human hours on these devices is simple fact: there are no replication information left over so with reverse engineering it can take even millions of human hours to find out the truth unless you re-invent the wheel with some different device working on same principle.
Also I do not take offense within your previous post but wanted to point out over simple filter who is tinkerer and who is another time waster for other people.

Hopefully that fulfils answer to your question.
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I did check the link but it is not related to my research.
exactly
that apparently is YOUR problem

it is related to my research, and clearly NANO tech is the future of energy savings, starting with EFFICIENCY first.

Improving EFFICIENCY will get us closer and closer and closer and closer to the elusive 'free energy'.

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Also the answer to your question why there are thousands of wasted human hours on these devices is simple fact: there are no replication information left over so with reverse engineering it can take even millions of human hours to find out the truth unless you re-invent the wheel with some different device working on same principle.
EXACTLY!
I will admit that while those who believed big brother 'reverse enigneered' a UFO that crashed at Roswell I happened to reverse engineer 'sacred geometry'...

Working my way through the dimensions, walking a straight line, back to the point!

Leading me straight to the NANO realm and finding many many many APPLICATIONS for this leading edge science which can be shown to be connected to ancient ideas about technology!!
NANO World APPLICATIONS for the SWASTIKA – the true blue AVATAR | Alternative Thinking 37

Sumerian technology in fact is meshing with 21st technologies, ask George Merkl.
Sumerian Lectures 1 p01.mp4 - YouTube

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Also I do not take offense within your previous post but wanted to point out over simple filter who is tinkerer and who is another time waster for other people.

Hopefully that fulfils answer to your question.
Sorry but this next statement by you did not ring this ding-a-lings bell.
It seems to lack a 'harmonic coherency'.

Could you please rephrase WTF you meant by over simple filter who is tinkerer and who is another time waster for other people.



selah

p.s. after 1+ million views, 311 pages, 9000+ responses, and NO RESULTS ... you would think the TINKERER could handle some constructive criticism?
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exactly
that apparently is YOUR problem
You are making statements even without knowing what is my research subject. So it is not my problem

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it is related to my research, and clearly NANO tech is the future of energy savings, starting with EFFICIENCY first.

Improving EFFICIENCY will get us closer and closer and closer and closer to the elusive 'free energy'.
If you do have appropiate equipment and do experiments it is OK on nano level. Otherwise it is just waste of time.

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APPLICATIONS for this leading edge science which can be shown to be connected to ancient ideas about technology!!
The entire current technology is re-invention of the wheel. Wake up and see what is written on ancient pyramids walls..

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Sorry but this next statement by you did not ring this ding-a-lings bell.
It seems to lack a 'harmonic coherency'.

Could you please rephrase WTF you meant by over simple filter who is tinkerer and who is another time waster for other people.

It is simple: if you did experiments and shared videos on devices you mentioned in your first post we can discuss on faults and possible improvements. If not it is no value for comparison of ideas in practical way so the time waste goes on.
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In the final analysis it seems that Donald Smith devices are too good to be true.
T-1000, it seems that we are wasting time
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You are making statements even without knowing what is my research subject. So it is not my problem
You are correct, I really don't want to get into what your problems might be in fact, I have enough of my own.

And I AM not as secretative as you and your research, so I will share a bit of my research with you.
By the way I can really pile it on after 8+ years of researching my passions.

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If you do have appropiate equipment and do experiments it is OK on nano level. Otherwise it is just waste of time.
...waste of time...?
Are you familiar with these quotes?

"AS ABOVE = SO BELOW"

"Comprehend and Copy Nature"

So clearly what we learn from the NANO realm could possibly be applied to D. Smith technology/theory, therefore I hardly think that taking some ideas from the NANO realm and applying it to our world as a viable APPLICATION is a waste of time.

Similar to the way we have adopted the biomimicry clues to help us design better mousetraps?
(thus....the observer affects the observation in many ways not just as wave and particle )

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The entire current technology is re-invention of the wheel. Wake up and see what is written on ancient pyramids walls..


I have read what is on the walls and ON the cEILings too.

The scholars said the swastika could not be found in Egypt prior to being conquered by the Greeks.
WRONG, the above image antedates the Greeks showing up bearing gifts by about 800 years.
That is a Ceiling Pattern from the Palace of Amenhotep III, Malqata
18th dynasty.
Do you see the form of a 'swastika'?

And btw I am glad YOU mentioned the WHEEL.
Is it a coincidence we can link the 21st century circa Solar NANO Swastika LIGHT Mill to some of the most important inventions in the EARLIEST history of our social/cultural evolution?

i.e. the AX and the WHEEL can both be intimately linked to the 'swastika', along with the sun as a solar symbol too, agreed?

This image below is taken from G. Merkl's Sumerian Lecture.
Sumerian Lectures 1 p01.mp4 - YouTube



I touched it up a bit, added highlights in red to help illustrate how George Merkl's Sumerian technology can be connected to the Knight's Templar Magic Square.




Note the vertices of the tetrahedrons spell the word A-E-O-N.
How do we connect 1-3-7 to tetrahedron sphere packing and to so much more?
137 Itzhak Bentov Swastika Mystical Friend of Mine | Alternative Thinking 37

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It is simple: if you did experiments and shared videos on devices you mentioned in your first post we can discuss on faults and possible improvements. If not it is no value for comparison of ideas in practical way so the time waste goes on.
I have experiments and videos to share.
Put you really have not asked any questions yet.
What exactly in the first post caught your eye of skepticism?
Let me know.

As you know there is another popular thread on this forum called:
My Asymmetric Electrodynamic Machines

And it is a clue to why I chose the title of my thread to be:
My Asymmetric SWASTIKA NANO Machines

Clearly ASYMMETRY is KEY to both ideas.
And I would wager, that whatever design the Donald Smith fan club manifests, the winning design will have ASYMMETRY built into its blueprint.

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T-1000, it seems that we are wasting time
Maybe you are IF you ignore the future?

Take a look at these 21 APPLICATIONS for a technology that is thousands of years old, at this link here:

NANO World APPLICATIONS for the SWASTIKA – the true blue AVATAR | Alternative Thinking 37

Some of them are NANO inspired.
Many are not but they have stood the test of time because of their inherent geometric design that seems to favor their survival.
Why would the swastika be passed forward in space-time for 12,000 years?

All I am suggesting is that designers consider what Mother Nature uses to get the job done with EFFICIENCY.

oops maybe that is why Hitler chose this simple design that has not changed much in 12,000 years?
For good luck, its efficiency, its associations to the Hebrew god YHVH, and maybe because the Buddha uses it as a SEAL for his HEART?


Efficient nano motor cleverly harnesses light - physicsworld.com
Nanoscale Light Mill Spins a Motor with a Beam of Light | Popular Science

NANO Swastika Light Mill Bonus:
Today we can use this most simply designed technology to unzip our DNA and begin the replication process on the atomic level.

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I guess I have made my point and all that is left for me to do now is to leave a few calling cards/links and leave town.

My Asymmetric SWASTIKA NANO Machines

The OX TOE

The Eternal Story of the W and Z - Page 5

Mind if I check back every 100 pages or so to see how things are goin'?



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@108h and still going
Hi Janost

You stopped updating, how long did it run?
Can you please share the circuit that you used i would like to try it if i may.
I would appreciate it if you can.
Thank you.

And those that think somethings is missing in PJK's ebook he had an eBook updates.txt page where he explained the changes that he made and why he sometimes removed some items from it. unfortunately i only got the update page
up to Ver 22.8.

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I have experiments and videos to share.
Put you really have not asked any questions yet.
What exactly in the first post caught your eye of skepticism?
Let me know.
What your experiments and videos you can share on D. Smith topic or related devices?
Everything else on posts you just made can be discussed outside of this thread because it is not general topic here.
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What your experiments and videos you can share on D. Smith topic or related devices?
clearly if you are not interested in how a motor can turn a disk 4000 times its own size YOU are not the fella I should be wasting my time with.

T1000 eh?
let me know when the model T-2000 hits the market?

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Everything else on posts you just made can be discussed outside of this thread because it is not general topic here.
No kidding, but that was my point too.
What have you accomplished in 300+ pages, maybe you need to look elsewhere for your AHA?

And that is why in my last post I left links to where I can be found, just in case somebody who thinks outside of the box who can see what I am offering is so inspired...

so back in your box jack, it might take a jill to figure this out.

I will be back after this thread logs another 100 pages for a progress report.


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Hi Serg V, Here is the chart as per the figures in my works, the dotted lines are the 1/Time Constant = frequency voltage capacitor fill extrapolations. these are the most interesting. Replication is not my goal, only clear understanding of the circuit element interactions. the parameters I have chosen are a approximation to arrive at a possible type of transient phenomena that I can actually build and test.

This thread has been hijacked on a regular basis, it must mean we must be getting close to some real answers here. I hope the moderators remove all the distractions from the real issue here, the Don Smith device, he demonstrated it in front of audiences for many years, so it is not a fantasy device. it is real and Don Smith NEVER said it created free energy. Regards Arto.

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What do I interpret there is almost same as having resonance in series on same transformer what I tried to cover with explanation in overunity.com as well. So D. Smith's transformer with capacitor between center tap and one coils most likely will be current generating coil meeting voltage generating coil (on 90 degrees angle behind) with voltage from another coil from center tap.
Nice thought T-1000!
Maybe this is the case as per tesla example phase shift (?).
Did you had any chance to see this experimentally ?
If not, no problem.Let`s just try to remain on-topic.

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this thread has 1+ million views, 9000+ responses...
And this forum is like all the others.
Where do ants & bird flocks are directed to ?
Of course, wherever there is plenty of fresh wheat and barley seeds!!!
You bet! And I can tell you that Don Smith thread (thread here) and Tariel Kapanadze thread
(@overunity.com forum) is a rich territory with *free energy seeds*.
You know what happens when ants collects "loads" of seeds, don`t you ? I bet you know!
They will pass a really great winter inside their cave with plenty of food to eat from.
But , to achieve these goods they work hard.And we all know this.
The same applies to the "free energy" field. No free food/energy in this case too!!!
Yes it is not free as per se, it is from someones battery, generator, cosmic
particles and a lot heck of other sources.
Don even emphasized this telling that there is no such thing like "free".
What the heck ?! someone might spell.
Don`s response ? - Ambient (natural source of energy (maybe unknown to many people) Magnetic Energy).
How to achieve it ? You surely might need some or a lot of $$ to do something good of it.
But most of us here cannot afford such sums of $$, because we have`nt them! So simple.
What else is too important ? Oh Yeah! Resonance, Resonance, and Resonance and more resonance.
Hmmm... can we do this, at least ? Maybe yes, who knows (?). Let`s keep
collecting "seeds/free energy" info in order to achieve the desired results.

Thanks for offering your topic of Nano-Technology however. But, no offense to you.

I am looking for something serious to build now - at the present time -
and personally not giving much attention to the future.
This means that me, I am OK in this thread alone.

Actually thinking the number of post we have arrived makes me think that anyone trying in this field
has a lot of job to do, long list of hours to study Tesla`s work etc...
one more thing: why, to this very day, this thread/topic with Soo Much interest around it
has not being set as an historic Sticky post in the lifetime of this forum ??
Any idea ???
Anyway let`s try to stay on-topic. Ciao!
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Nice thought T-1000 Ciao!
Hello Peculian,

Clarence here

just a note to say thanks for your post to dispel the trash that tries to filter into this thread. It is and has been one of the few locations where knowledgeable replicators and those trying to receive information to further their builds have been blessed by each others honest contributions.

It is from the heart and truth when you said DON's theme was RESONANCE, RESONANCE, RESONANCE.

at present as I said in a recent post that I am involved with a group build of one of DON's board type builds. things have been slowed because Barker & Williams coil source closed from may 1 -12. however shortly the coils will be ordered and we can get on with the build. we are doing the build without any deviations from dons schematic according to the schematic which is attached. As we all have to do, I have reverse engineered the build he gave to find resonance values, voltage input to primary turns, etc. there are a few surprise's I have come across along the way. one thing , in Patricks last download he left on purpose, the post notes by Vladimir Utkin (dyatron I think) are definitely on target with what I have come across. worth reading!

The only thing I have willingly changed was the size of the conventional (non GFIC ) NST. instead of dons 4000v 30ma I am using an Allanson 3000v 30ma.
this is because the total combined voltage of the output leads only needs to be 1264 volts. that way I can use the variac with higher voltage and still not underload the NST.

saying a lot to say this little, all of the results of this build will be posted when it is finished. BTW one other thing I am doing comes from the knowledgeable past posting of Kurt (Mr. Clean). he showed that when he found the inductance value of the NST primary and matched capacitor value to achieve stable resonance (there's that word again) of the NST that it greatly changed the current draw in his circuit (lowered it). that video of his is worth rewatching.

@ ALL: stay focused members, we will get there!!!

as always, mike onward!
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Clarence here

just a note to say thanks for your post to dispel the trash that tries to filter into this thread.
Trash?
Clarence EWE must be referring to ME?

Trash?
Are you referring to my ASYMMETRIC JUNK DNA?

BTW who opened the gate to the pen and let out the 'sheeple'?
If EWE want to get into name calling dude EWE picked on the wrong guy.
EWE are not too bright.

The rest of my response has been moved to the appropriate thread found here:
http://www.energeticforum.com/230934-post10.html

Feel free to ignore it.



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You stopped updating, how long did it run?
Can you please share the circuit that you used i would like to try it if i may.
I would appreciate it if you can.
Thank you.
It stopped after 146h.

This is the circuit that I'm using.
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Hi Janost

That is impressive and the circuit is nice and easy to build.
I am going to build it right now.
Thanks for sharing your circuits so freely they are mostly easy and very practical, most of the parts are readily available and easy to come by

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Is that an air core or ferrite?
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Is that an air core or ferrite?
Its a ferrite core.
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Just make 10turns, a centertap and then 10 more turn on a ferrite rod.
On top of that make 200turns for the secondary.

If you are lazy just take a tennis-racket bugzapper.
Remove all bleederresistors, diodes and caps from the secondary and connect the CFL to the HV-transformer secondary.

Run it with a 1.5v battery.

Its the same thing.
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Clarence here

just a note to say thanks for your post to dispel the trash that tries to filter into this thread. It is and has been one of the few locations where knowledgeable replicators and those trying to receive information to further their builds have been blessed by each others honest contributions.

It is from the heart and truth when you said DON's theme was RESONANCE, RESONANCE, RESONANCE.

at present as I said in a recent post that I am involved with a group build of one of DON's board type builds. things have been slowed because Barker & Williams coil source closed from may 1 -12. however shortly the coils will be ordered and we can get on with the build. we are doing the build without any deviations from dons schematic according to the schematic which is attached. As we all have to do, I have reverse engineered the build he gave to find resonance values, voltage input to primary turns, etc. there are a few surprise's I have come across along the way. one thing , in Patricks last download he left on purpose, the post notes by Vladimir Utkin (dyatron I think) are definitely on target with what I have come across. worth reading!

The only thing I have willingly changed was the size of the conventional (non GFIC ) NST. instead of dons 4000v 30ma I am using an Allanson 3000v 30ma.
this is because the total combined voltage of the output leads only needs to be 1264 volts. that way I can use the variac with higher voltage and still not underload the NST.

saying a lot to say this little, all of the results of this build will be posted when it is finished. BTW one other thing I am doing comes from the knowledgeable past posting of Kurt (Mr. Clean). he showed that when he found the inductance value of the NST primary and matched capacitor value to achieve stable resonance (there's that word again) of the NST that it greatly changed the current draw in his circuit (lowered it). that video of his is worth rewatching.

@ ALL: stay focused members, we will get there!!!

as always, mike onward!
All you have to do is to find the correct "thinking path" and then figure out the correct steps to adjust device. I wish I could built it myself, but I can't. It is also very dangerous, but you know it surely. I'm trying from the lower power side to crack it ... (in my mind it works beautifully )
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hi janost. your latest schematic does not include the diode return to battery -. i would have thought that to be an essential for an endurance test.
also in pjk's final testament there are at least a couple of items that pertain to your recent efforts,if you haven't read them already. 6-31 page 405 has some encouraging info on grounded jt's and 6-33 page 407 refers to serious car battery charging with an avremenko circuit on 1 end of the secondary and the other end open.
lotsa good stuff in there including pjk's own jt version with a claimed cop of 1.8.
i'm gunna get me a proper earth connection.
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Hi Serg V, Here is the chart as per the figures in my works, the dotted lines are the 1/Time Constant = frequency voltage capacitor fill extrapolations. these are the most interesting. Replication is not my goal, only clear understanding of the circuit element interactions. the parameters I have chosen are a approximation to arrive at a possible type of transient phenomena that I can actually build and test.

This thread has been hijacked on a regular basis, it must mean we must be getting close to some real answers here. I hope the moderators remove all the distractions from the real issue here, the Don Smith device, he demonstrated it in front of audiences for many years, so it is not a fantasy device. it is real and Don Smith NEVER said it created free energy. Regards Arto.

i love your constant focus on the topic,

from doing some more exploring into the "extra coil" i have found this for anyone interested, (below)

and in another pdf describing the geeg group's Zeus TC, there was a "brief word on the third coil" and said .."outputs on the Magnifier coil were too unpredictable..."
hehe...

anyway here is what Kansas University


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iron core air core magnifier Figure 6: The Classical Tesla Coil With Extra Coil
The extra coil and the air core transformer are not magnetically coupled. The output (top) of the classi- cal coil is electrically connected to the input (bottom) of the extra coil with a section of copper water pipe of large enough diameter that corona is not a major problem. A separation of 2 or 3 meters is typical.
Voltage increase on the extra coil is by transmission line action (field theory), or by RLC resonance (cir- cuit theory), rather than the transformer action of the iron core transformer. Voltage increase on the air core transformer is partly by transformer action and partly by transmission line action. When optimized for ex- tra coil operation, the air core transformer looks more like a transformer (greater coupling, shorter secondary)
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weird i cant edit, that was a copy/paste disaster... anyway that was a paper that KS University released i thought it was relevant for our purposes..

http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Reference_Mat...0Impedance.pdf

and here is The Geek Group's work on their massive TC named Zeus.. with brief word on the Magnifying 3rd Coil
http://www.teslacoildesign.com/docs/...il-Gerekos.pdf
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...but for some odd reason the Geek Group left out the 3rd Extra Magnifying coil out of their final work... perhaps due to possible Extra-Ordinary results?? hehe

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A few words on the three-coil transmitter
At the beginning of this document, we mentioned an advanced version of the Tesla coil, which included three coils instead of two[10].
The primary circuit will remain roughly the same, the main differences appear in the secondary induc- tor. The latter is actually divided into two parts : the "proper" secondary coil, which has an unusually high coupling with the primary (k ≈ 0.6) ; and an extra coil, the "magnifier", placed away from the magnetic field generated at the primary.

"...The idea here is to intensify the rise of the voltage by conceiving a more efficient way to use the emf generated in the secondary by the primary’s magnetic field. This two-stage system can be seen as an hybrid between a classical Tesla coil and an induction transformer.
However, this configuration is more difficult to realize as a strong coupling between the first stage of the secondary and the primary must be realized by ensuring no arcs will occur between the coils. The apparatus’ behavior also seems to be more difficult to predict [12].
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Hello Peculian,

Clarence here

just a note to say thanks for your post to dispel the trash that tries to filter into this thread. It is and has been one of the few locations where knowledgeable replicators and those trying to receive information to further their builds have been blessed by each others honest contributions.

It is from the heart and truth when you said DON's theme was RESONANCE, RESONANCE, RESONANCE.

at present as I said in a recent post that I am involved with a group build of one of DON's board type builds.............


@ ALL: stay focused members, we will get there!!!

as always, mike onward!
Hi Clarence.
Thanks for the respect showed.However, thanks goes to every real contributor in this thread/topic advancing/helping
for replicating Don`s devices.

Sure , resonance is a major factor.That`s why Don named his work <<Resonance Energy Methods>> and not <<Free Energy Methods>>.
I am really Glad that you and your team are going well good in the replication.
I wish you & your team success in your replication.

Mr.Clean, Thanks for the info and updates here.Looking for further info as many others here do.
Thanks to Artoj, for his short,clear, explanation of how real Don`s devices are.

Best Regards to guys & gals here.
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hi janost. your latest schematic does not include the diode return to battery -. i would have thought that to be an essential for an endurance test.
also in pjk's final testament there are at least a couple of items that pertain to your recent efforts,if you haven't read them already. 6-31 page 405 has some encouraging info on grounded jt's and 6-33 page 407 refers to serious car battery charging with an avremenko circuit on 1 end of the secondary and the other end open.
lotsa good stuff in there including pjk's own jt version with a claimed cop of 1.8.
i'm gunna get me a proper earth connection.
Yes, a diode between the basecoil and minus battery works.
I have never used it on any transistor JT's so I just forgot to put it in.
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Hello Mr. Clean,

Clarence,

have been looking for storage capacitors for finish of DON's board build per attached schematic. the shown 8uF caps at 2000v I haven't been able to locate at a reasonable price so far, however Amazeing1.com does have 30uF- 4500v caps at 219.00 each. my question is the greater capacitance value of 30uF versus 8uF? I am concerned about the time/storage length, since the capacitance is greater will the time/storage affect the frequency values of the secondary input to the storage capacitors as a whole? I would have to use two of the caps in series to store the total 7995v produced by the secondary coil system.

just curious what your thoughts would be and was curious if your build used the 8uF value or was it a 10uF value - I don't remember exactly. I appreciate your previous exp's and videos as do the other members. thanks in advance Kurt!



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