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#31
11-29-2009, 12:01 AM
 baroutologos Silver Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 586
Quote:
 Originally Posted by wrtner Any LR circuit which is driven by an alternating source, will show a trough in its graph of current v. frequency. That frequency will be the most efficient, the resonant frequency; the frequency that the circuit best behaves at.
What do you mean? pls elaborate...

LR circuits have not resonance. Not C component present... how to attain resonance in a signal with LR circuit? And how initial signal frequency can be altered to another output frquency.?

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#32
11-29-2009, 03:28 AM
 dragon Silver Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 922
Quote:
 Originally Posted by baroutologos What do you mean? pls elaborate... LR circuits have not resonance. Not C component present... how to attain resonance in a signal with LR circuit? And how initial signal frequency can be altered to another output frquency.? Baroutologos
An inductor ( L ) has all 3 components (L,R and C ) and all inductors have a point they can be brought to resonance based on those variables. When R is placed in series with L and C the frequency will be dampened (lowered).

I've never seen frequency dampening used like Don Smith has tried to explain, across the inductor as he did. My first impression was he was using it to create a passive voltage to current circuit but used in that way really doesn't make much sense either.
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#33
11-29-2009, 12:02 PM
 boguslaw Gold Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,433
I have an idea.If resistance can shift wave in phase then by intermodulation of two identical waves but shifted in phase can we obtain any other frequency ?
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#34
11-30-2009, 03:39 PM
 wrtner Silver Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 924
Quote:
 Originally Posted by baroutologos What do you mean? pls elaborate... LR circuits have not resonance. Not C component present... how to attain resonance in a signal with LR circuit? And how initial signal frequency can be altered to another output frquency.? Baroutologos
An LR circuit, driven by an oscillating voltage (most important), will have a resonant frequency:
Resonance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

To get resonance, either the component values are changed or the driving voltage is changed so that the frequency of your oscillator is correct for the rest of the circuit.

If there is a second circuit, possibly arising from the other coil of a transformer, then the second circuit must resonate at the same frequency as the first.

I think this is correct. But there are plenty of people on this board who know a thousand times more about this than I.
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#35
12-03-2009, 02:01 AM
 harz Junior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 5
Time constant of the LR circuit

As well known, the time constant of RC-circuit: T = R*C = (V/A)*(As/V) = seconds. Also LR-circuit has time constant which can be calculated: T = L/R = (Vs/A)/(V/A) = seconds. These time constants do not match exactly to the time period of the frequency in the circuit, but are closely related with it, usually with some correction factor. The time period of LC-circuit matches exactly with the time period of the angular frequency (rad/s) and is calculated: T = square root of (L*C) = square root of (Vs/A*As/V) = secods. Has to be remembered that 1 Hz = 2*pi rad/s.
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#36
12-04-2009, 04:56 AM
 h2ocommuter Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Fresno Ca, Posts: 146
Frequency out put of the Illuma storm

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 Originally Posted by cody No i dont have the Illum storm, mine is called the electrostorm.
Hi cody,

Just for laughs, my ignorance is vast in this field. I thought the meter was broken because would not zero after unhooking.... I fliped every knob and pushed every button numnerous times with no clear reason why. Then I turned off the globe! the meter zeroed.... As it turns out the meter will pick up this radio freq without being hooked up. even stranger was the fact that if the leads were mingled and there was a loop in one of the other leads the signal would be magnified and still not being hooked to the leads of the crown.

My freq. meter tells me the output from the Illuma storm can be regulated between 20.47 K and about 40.6 K Hz, no crown.
The Globe with the crown acted differently... The Hz were doubled nearly in all resppects.when looking for the greatest freq. The higest was, 25.3 KHz no probe and 50.1 KHz probe attached. The threads protruding from the Tesla coil are not very active and they have no fingers where they touch the globe. just a single point of contact.
When looking for the least freq. with, without the probe and without the crown freq was the same...."28.68 KHz" .

When I check for sparks and shocking at various adjustments; The results are as follows...

No sparks are found from the low side around 22 - 24 K "ish". continuous sparks and burning between 26.8 and 29.1. At 26.81 it globe is touch sencitive. When touching the shieth, wire or globe anywhere it has massive activation. Less sparks can be felt up to about 40.4 and are much less burning. No sparks to the skin are evident abouve this level. All tests were to either side of the L-2 black or red probe were used with no variations.

I do not know what any of this means yet just FYI

If I took the crown off the globe the signal will go away. Within about a foot of the globe the signal comes back.

Note; many of these observations could be changed by obsurde changes, like if I was in the room or not?, or if I layed one probe up or layed it twards the ground. or if the crown wire was pointing tward the unhooked probe.

It was a jungle mess.

I have no conclusive measurements with the electrostatic voltmeter yet.

Is there a spell checker here?
Zane
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#37
07-08-2011, 12:44 AM
 mr.clean Silver Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: calgary ab. canada Posts: 851
New Vid on Don Smith Device Replication

hi guys, cant seem to get much response on this LOL jeeez

Here is my recent work on the Don Smith device

YouTube - &#x202a;Don Smith Device Project Part 9: SYSTEM ON LOW, Average 1.7 Amp In, 10+AMPS Out &#x202c;&rlm;

Just wondering if anyones workin on this, or any input from anyone. Im doing this with very little knowledge. Im pleased so far.
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#38
07-08-2011, 03:05 AM
 Joit Gold Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,993
Hi,
You should connect a Load at the Output, like a Bulb, what match your Source.
Then measure the Amps. I had similar readings even on a Digital and a Analog Meter, up to 10 Amps, but it are only Spikes, what shortly appear.
My Opinion, you need to really look to, to have the Coils in Resonance, and the same Amount of Wire, even at different Thickness, and the right Capacitors tuned, that they catch the Pulses proper, and decharge equal to the Frequency.
A lot to tune around at it.
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#39
07-08-2011, 03:06 AM
 ashtweth Gold Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 2,499
Thanks for posting from memory Gene was working on this (he may read and comment)

Ash
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#40
07-09-2011, 07:03 PM
 h2ocommuter Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Fresno Ca, Posts: 146
Keep it up!

[QUOTE=mr.clean;146939]hi guys, cant seem to get much response on this LOL jeeezQUOTE]

mr clean,
I have to compliment you. your testing and certain insite has brought you a good distance. God has blessed you in this task, believe me!
Go slow at this point or not but I should recomend that you detail everything you can at this point. your results are showing good results.
Keep up the good work

keep posting here and soon enough you will get more interrest.

zane
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#41
07-09-2011, 11:05 PM
 Farmhand Platinum Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Australia Posts: 3,389
Hi mr Clean, Setup looks good, the meter reading may be off though, in my experience digital multi meters are unreliable around spark gaps or even exciters. The one's I have simply do not read any usefull information anywhere near a spark gap. If you really want a reliable reading you will need to use very expensive digital meters or analogue one's. The meters readings aren't as important as powering a load though so the approximate power levels can be determined that way.

If youre using an NST the max Input should be on the label I think it would be less than 1,7 amps, but if there is say 30 Ma at 10000v coming from the NST that is 300 watts and if there is 10 amps coming out at 120 volts then thats 1200 watts. So the benifit is obvious.

Anyway I like you're setup, good work, well done. Keep us posted, a lot of us are interested in this particular arrangement.

Thanks for posting Cheers
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#42
07-10-2011, 04:33 AM
 mr.clean Silver Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: calgary ab. canada Posts: 851
....Keep up the good work...

....keep posting here and soon enough you will get more interrest...

zane[/QUOTE]

Thanks buddy, yes i will try to keep all forums posted
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#43
07-10-2011, 04:37 AM
 mr.clean Silver Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: calgary ab. canada Posts: 851
in my experience digital multi meters are unreliable around spark gaps or even exciters. The one's I have simply do not read any usefull information anywhere near a spark gap. If you really want a reliable reading you will need to use very expensive digital meters or analogue one's. The meters readings aren't as important as powering a load though so the approximate power levels can be determined that way....
...from the NST that is 300 watts and if there is 10 amps coming out at 120 volts then thats 1200 watts. So the benifit is obvious.

Anyway I like you're setup, good work, well done. Keep us posted, a lot of us are interested in this particular arrangement.

Thanks for posting Cheers[/QUOTE]

I appreciate that man! i'll definitely keep you guys posted
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#44
07-10-2011, 05:37 AM
 Felix_the_cat Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 47

Be careful with spark gaps, my electronic guru told me it can produce hazardous radiations.

Will it work without the SG? or prehaps just a small gap, like small engine spark plug (.025" gap)?

Does your system have a earth ground?
I've read that the best possible ground you can have is a one inch brass rod. Not copper, not steel but BRASS.

I want to use this system on a vehicle so earth ground is not practical.
Magnets are a "sort" of grounding, because they capture a part of the magnetic flux that flow from the ionosphere to the earth.

Here's what I've done so far:Image hosting, free photo sharing & video sharing at Photobucket

Bagel coil pictures by felaudet1 - Photobucket

I'm using a toroidal coil instead of cylindrical. My windings are perpendicular, and the black wire is copper coated steel. It forms the magnetic core as well as the secondary. I will send HV from an ignition coil into that toroid. It's a bit like the flyback transformer of a TV, or a particle accelerator. It accelerate the electrons before sending them into a electrolysis cell.

This is allegedly how Daniel Dingel ran his water car.
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#45
07-10-2011, 05:47 AM
 mr.clean Silver Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: calgary ab. canada Posts: 851
Quote:
 Originally Posted by Joit Hi, You should connect a Load at the Output, like a Bulb, what match your Source. Then measure the Amps. I had similar readings even on a Digital and a Analog Meter, up to 10 Amps, but it are only Spikes, what shortly appear. My Opinion, you need to really look to, to have the Coils in Resonance, and the same Amount of Wire, even at different Thickness, and the right Capacitors tuned, that they catch the Pulses proper, and decharge equal to the Frequency. A lot to tune around at it.
Awesome info man, yes i really wanna know what is coming out of this thing, plus get the right values of components
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#46
07-10-2011, 05:53 AM
 mr.clean Silver Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: calgary ab. canada Posts: 851
Quote:
 Originally Posted by Felix_the_cat Be careful with spark gaps, my electronic guru told me it can produce hazardous radiations. Will it work without the SG? or prehaps just a small gap, like small engine spark plug (.025" gap)? Does your system have a earth ground? I've read that the best possible ground you can have is a one inch brass rod. Not copper, not steel but BRASS. I want to use this system on a vehicle so earth ground is not practical. Magnets are a "sort" of grounding, because they capture a part of the magnetic flux that flow from the ionosphere to the earth. Here's what I've done so far:Image hosting, free photo sharing & video sharing at Photobucket Bagel coil pictures by felaudet1 - Photobucket I'm using a toroidal coil instead of cylindrical. My windings are perpendicular, and the black wire is copper coated steel. It forms the magnetic core as well as the secondary. I will send HV from an ignition coil into that toroid. It's a bit like the flyback transformer of a TV, or a particle accelerator. It accelerate the electrons before sending them into a electrolysis cell. This is allegedly how Daniel Dingel ran his water car.
Wow sweet man, toroids are really cool, i still dont understand enough about them

i have an earth ground on the second sg, & yes im planning on an enclosed gap soon, & brass eh? ok good to know
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#47
07-10-2011, 08:05 AM
 7imix Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 380
A number of sidacs could be used in place of the spark gap. Depending on what the break over voltage of the gap is currently, you'd have to chain a certain number of them to match that voltage.

This one has a break over voltage of 280 volts.

Digi-Key - K2500G-ND (Manufacturer - K2500G)
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#48
07-10-2011, 09:53 PM
 mr.clean Silver Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: calgary ab. canada Posts: 851
Quote:
 Originally Posted by 7imix A number of sidacs could be used in place of the spark gap. Depending on what the break over voltage of the gap is currently, you'd have to chain a certain number of them to match that voltage. This one has a break over voltage of 280 volts. Digi-Key - K2500G-ND (Manufacturer - K2500G)
really? just use a string of these? cool. im looking for more surge protectors, sounds like they are basically the same, i have found that more gaps help
But that may be because the primary Cap is brutally under-rated & letting the gap fire before 12kv has built up.

I never really read up on making proper water caps, im getting practically a plasma bottle here, which could only lower performance Lol

anyway till the place i get components from actually gets something on the shelf, the ghetto-style gap & pretend capacitor will have to do lol
Thanks for the link to that product!
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#49
07-11-2011, 02:20 AM
 Felix_the_cat Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 47

You can make your own HV caps with sheets of plastic and sheets of copper, with the plastic sheet at least one inch larger all around to avoid arcing. plastic thickness is 1/16 to 1/8.
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#50
07-11-2011, 10:25 AM
 webmug Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 13
Quote:
 Originally Posted by Felix_the_cat You can make your own HV caps with sheets of plastic and sheets of copper, with the plastic sheet at least one inch larger all around to avoid arcing. plastic thickness is 1/16 to 1/8.
In the demonstration Video Don demos the "ambient background" effect, that it's duplicating the input side of the capacitor plate.
He then says that with "proper grounding" usefull energy comes available on the secondairy plate.

Is there someone that also build and tested this setup?
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#51
07-13-2011, 01:44 PM
 Joit Gold Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,993
Quote:
 Originally Posted by mr.clean Awesome info man, yes i really wanna know what is coming out of this thing, plus get the right values of components
We did talk about the Don Smith Device more here,
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#52
08-06-2011, 09:02 AM
 Kokomoj0 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 426
Hello everyone....

I just ran into the Smith videos and his pdf today and watched them through to the end.

pay particular attention to the "time" the lights are on, voltage level, camera damage, test methods, terminology, and his sentence construction, how he responds to and answers questions. (Then watch a borderland clip)

&#x202a;Donald L. Smith 1996 Tesla Symposium Part 19&#x202c;&rlm; - YouTube

On one of those videos you will see that larger toroid sitting on his bench that looks identical to the coil shown in the tpu videos below shown here:

&#x202a;Steven Marks TPU video by Jack Durban DVD reliz Hi8 kassete DL version 1&#x202c;&rlm; - YouTube

&#x202a;Free energy TPU Demonstration (Steve Marks)&#x202c;&rlm; - YouTube

&#x202a;Free energy TPU (Steve Marks) part1&#x202c;&rlm; - YouTube

&#x202a;Steve Marks TPU Clip5 - ZPE Zero Point Energy - Free energy&#x202c;&rlm; - YouTube

If you wish to review the success and failure stories of that big torroid you can see them on overunity.com under the TPU topic.

There are several thousand posts on the matter.

I wish everyone luck in their experiments.
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#53
08-06-2011, 03:45 PM
 Kokomoj0 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 426
Quote:
 Originally Posted by zilano Hi greetings! well this is the truth believe it or not wisdom lies not in the glass and steel chambered offices but in the garages and attics! don is an old fella and has suffered attacks which paralised him so he is not in good form ! we must respect his old age and the way hi talks. when we grow old we are gonna be more worst than don. age conquers all. but he is the guy who gave everything in his book. its just our wisdom is not much to see wots hidden in his text and graphics. there are no methods in free energy devices producing mega watts of power but dons does. all we need is wide eyes and see wot he is reffering to. if u read dons text n schematics carefully he told ya everything. the word is JUST REVERSE TESLA COIL AND THATS THE CLUE MEANS MAKE PRIMARY AS SECONDARY AND SECONDARY AS PRIMARY AND U GET IT. REGARDS ZILANO ZEIS ZANE
I was not aware they really existed.

I look forward to testing them.

where can I go to do that please?
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#54
08-07-2011, 05:06 AM
 penno64 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 163
Hi Zilano,

The simplest way to post a schematic is to hand draw then take a photo, then upload as an attachment.

If you need more help let me know.

Some nice drawing programs for circuits are available for free, but these are
messy until you become familiar with their operation.

Regards, Penno.
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#55
08-07-2011, 06:02 AM
 drak Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 271
Still trying to figure out what to do with the captured radiant energy. Resonance is easy, its the high voltage output, what do you do with it? How do you turn high voltage low amps back to usable energy? &#x202a;Don Smith device just testing&#x202c;&rlm; - YouTube
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#56
08-07-2011, 01:03 PM
 penno64 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 163
Hi Zilano,

Below the submit button -

Select "Attach Files" Manage attachments button.

Penno
Attached Images
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#57
08-07-2011, 11:09 PM
 h2ocommuter Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Fresno Ca, Posts: 146
you are well learned Zilano

Quote:
 Originally Posted by zilano the basis of don smith power is on two factors voltage and frequency. the minimum voltage to make a spark gap work is 4kv ie 4000 volts and use the optimum frequency for the rest. if we r to make a device for home use we must fix one of two things its better we fix voltage and vary frequency. if we use both high voltage and high frequency it will make us produce power not controllable and with more hazardous voltages. so keep voltage just enuf to spark get going and use frequency by formula of resonant circuit. assume c=1 and calculate power in joules of resonant circuit. so keeping voltage 4k fixed n changing frequency and capacitance to minimum(capacitance associated with inductance only) power is P=0.5 x C x (V squared)*(HZ squared) P=POWER IN JOULES or watt sec (1 joule = 1 watt sec) C=CAPACITY IN FARADS V=VOLTAGE HZ=CYCLES PER SECOND x= multiply sign when we are using caps C as storing power of tesla coil or inductance L the formulas for output power are caps formula-putput power Pc=0.5 x C x (V SQUARED) x HZ Pc= power in joules= watt sec C=CAPACITY IN FARADS HZ= CYCLE PER SECOND Pl=0.5 x L x (A SQUARED) x HZ Pl=power in joules= watt sec C=CAPACITY IN FARADS HZ= CYCLE PER SECOND A=current in ampeares if we r taking output from L ie inductance only use pl formula and if we r taking output from capacitor then use pc formula its always better to use reverse tesla coils that is thin primary and many turns and thick secondary few turns many amps resonance is a just a frequency and its a match if matched then number of turns and thickness dont matter. all that matters is resonating circuit producing power at low voltage and high amps. the secret of don smith revealed. JUST REVERSE TESLA COIL AND U GET THE GOLD AND THATS WOT THE STORY NEVER TOLD GOOD LUCK AND ALL SUCCESS! TO ALL FELLOW MEN! REGARDS ZILANO ZEIS ZANE
I simply want to give you credit for pointing out many of the highlights Don had mentioned and highly respect you estute claification of these matters.
I must try your setups. I am afraid of my 5 K volt Neon sign transformer.
LOL I have been bit hard by my plasma globe.
I have some 20KV gloves now but it is still a scary adventure!

Dustan Zane Muckey
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08-09-2011, 04:24 AM
 h2ocommuter Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Fresno Ca, Posts: 146
fear is my friend

Quote:
 Originally Posted by zilano hi there DZM! !!!! HIGH VOLTAGE!!!! !!!!CAUTION!!!!! SAFETY FIRST! WELL KEEP ALL PRECAUTIONS! WORK WITH SHOES WOODEN TABLE AND WOODEN FLOOR MUST. WHENEVER U MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO HV SETUP MAKE SURE U TURN OFF POWER FIRST. ALWAYS USE BLEED RESISTORS ACROSS CAPS IN MEG OHM TO DISSIPATE CHARGE AS CAPS HAVE A TENDENCY TO HOLD CHARGE. IF U USE BLEEDERS THEY DISCHARGE SAVING U FROM SHOCK. REALLY FELT SORRY FOR THE MISHAP. AM GLAD U ARE ALIVE JUST BE CAUTIOUS AND FOLLOW SAFETY RULES. but there is a saying FEAR IS THE KEY! fear makes us learn and excel and shine out! we learn from mistakes God bless u and keep u safe! high voltages r fatal keep safe! regards ZZZ ZILANO ZEIS ZANE in sense n sane!
I appreciate your replies ZZZ, you are a master. way to go.
Thank you so much i am happy you have joined us. I am so new at much of the true understanding about all of this technology and general transforming of energies i must ask this question about how changing Hz is accomplished.

I realize how voltages are changed by step up and step down transformers but what changes to frequencies?

Another observation I must cite is when I fired up my 5,000 v mid tap luminous tube transformer it was mounted to wood and on a wood desk and it was blowing large continuous sparks onto the board.. well no expanation necessary just learning to be way way cautious!

Oh is it true that the ambient energy that Don speeks of is activated by use of the spark gap?

Thanks
zane
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08-09-2011, 11:40 PM
 drak Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 271
Quote:
 The best solution in in ur case is to use same coil but reversed connected to ur setup coil. so u have two stages now. one is step up and another is step down. now u have step down use low voltage high amps and high frequency diodes to get dc and a low voltage high capacity capacitor across the dc output to smooth out ripples and its much better to use PI filter which consists of two caps and an inductance in between so u get pure dc low voltage. try a load and measure amps and use voltage divider circuit to get 12v or 24 volts as ur case may be and use an invertor to get ac power output. hope u try and if u get low juice try inserting copper coated welding rods in ur step down coil as core. but make sure all setup ur step up n step down resonating. if ur step down is not resonating with ur step up then u wont get juice so match frequency and then add core of welding tube sticks. the core enhances induction and gives more strength to output amps. hope u try that gonna work. report me ur adventure.dont use raw ac power without rectifying it in stepdown else u burn up ur invertor coz high frequency will saturate core and sending ur invertor transformer in flames. always make dc after step down before u attach invertor. regards
Ok, making another coil exactly the same, but reverse. Once that is done, how do I connect the coils together. Directly or through some circuitry? Because if i do it directly won't that effect the resonant frequency because it would look like one big coil? Thanks zilano
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08-10-2011, 03:59 AM
 drak Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 271
Quote:
 PS: SHORTCUT: JUST REVERSE UR COIL THEN U DONT NEED ANOTHER COIL. make primary coil as secondary and secondary as primary so it will be a step down. u will get resonance this time also but it will be a step down and resonating too.dont change physical arrangement of the coil just swap primary and secondary wires
???? Are we still talking about two sets of coils? Or are you saying I only need a primary and a secondary? Reverse the secondary? The secondary is glued in place and no mater which way I flip it it is still wound in the same direction. I was thinking I have an L1/L2 then another set of L1/L2 with L1 being the same as L2 in the first set of coils and L2 being the same as L1 in the first set. You are confusing me, lol. I appreciate your help though.
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