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Old 05-01-2012, 08:18 PM
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Hello, Sergey!
I have approximately the same questions, why don't you answer them here with clear schematic, because your other one left a lot of questions( esp. about toroid, how its wound and connected), and I want to replicate it.

Hi!
Ok,hiops!
Excuse me.
I thought that it is a very simple scheme.
And explanations may be needed only when you make it start working.

Bee careful!
The device is dangerous (the same as tesla coil).
I am not responsible for any damage that may happen.


By the way 2N3055 has Col-Emitt= 70V
So you should plug 7-12 V. But not more.
In this cause you can't get hight power and long spark
but cool electricity and magnetic field only

Best regards,

Sergey.
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Old 05-01-2012, 08:21 PM
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Thanks for re-drawing that circuit, Sergey.



Interesting design.
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Harvesting charge from the air?

Dragon wants to harvest charge from the ground, so I thought I try it with the air.

Attached please see a circuit drawing and a photo of my set-up.

Without the steel plate (which sits on top of a plastic cup) the lamp is less bright.

When I touch the steel plate the lamp is less bright. But when I touch the spot in the circuit where the steel plate is connected the oscillation stops. I conclude that the steel plate does something (e.g. draws charge from the air even when I touch it.)

I am not convinced yet that the circuit draws charge from the air, more tests are necessary.

The circuit consumes about 200 mW (3.7 V at 50 mA).

Greetings, Conrad

P.S.: The big coil has too many windings (200 turns), so the circuit swings at about 300 KHz (instead of 1 MHz). I will remove many turns to get near 1 MHz (the coil needs about 50 turns to achieve that).

This is a lamp similar to the cold cathode fluorescent lamp which I use:
Kaltkathoden-Lampe 350 V 2.4 W 6 mA (Ø x L) 11 mm x 150 mm Blau Conrad im Conrad Online Shop | 725715

I will use batteries in the future once I have decided on a certain circuit (and know the power consumption). The goal is to use very little power.

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Dear Folks!

i wont be posting on here for a while coz i have some work urgent to cater to.

i would Humbly request our seniour and respected member Mr. Dragon. Sorry i I dont know his name to guide u further in D.S. device and aswell as Kacher device. We both following similar track. As all roads lead to Rome.

I Kindly request Mr. Dragon to advice and elate morals of the replicators and guide them with his profound knowledge and expertise.

I also kindly request Mr. Vidbid with his expertise in drawing and deciphering the circuit for the benefit of members. and share his knowledge and act as God father to this thread.

and Mr. Woopy with amazing experiments to share his experiences and knowledge and videos that are admired from everone in here and around.
Mr. Woopy u r good replicator i admire that quality of yours.

I hope the people i have requested will guide this thread to success!

regards

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Old 05-01-2012, 08:51 PM
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Hi!
Ok,hiops!
Excuse me.
I thought that it is a very simple scheme.
And explanations may be needed only when you make it start working.

Bee careful!
The device is dangerous (the same as tesla coil).
I am not responsible for any damage that may happen.


By the way 2N3055 has Col-Emitt= 70V
So you should plug 7-12 V. But not more.
In this cause you can't get hight power and long spark
but cool electricity and magnetic field only

Best regards,

Sergey.
I know there is a HV there, is the schematic of DilJalaay is right in terms how the toroid is connected and you did not tell the parameters of this toroid. And I can see that this is simple kacher, but you did not tell us the size and design of primary and secondary coil. Did you use the pancake coil for primary?

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Old 05-01-2012, 09:05 PM
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Thanks for re-drawing that circuit, Sergey.



Interesting design.

Hi,good guy!

Especially for you only!


This is the same generator that you use now.
It is much more power than your and the other design of coil.
But the principle is used the same.

It is called by the name of the inventor "Brovins kacher"
Short name "kacher"
Brovin - this is the second name of inventor(he is russian).
This principle makes it possible to refuse of spark gap
and to get two resonances at the same time automatically
(without any additional configuration).

By the way.


There is a little cut off part of the scheme.
You should set 0,6- o,7 v on the base of transistor.
The transistors are strongly heated during operation.
An additional cooling Require

Best regards,

Sergey.

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Old 05-01-2012, 09:31 PM
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I know the is a HV there, is the schematic of DilJalaay is right in terms how the toroid is connected and you did not tell the parameters of this toroid. And I can see that this is simple kacher, but you did not tell us the size and design of primary and secondary coil. Did you use the pancake coil for primary?
The Torroid is filter
This filter prevents the moving of cold electricity to the power grid.
Cold electricity always goes where it do not have to.

The dimensions are clearly visible in my video.
The primary coil has two turns of copper wire of diameter 5 mm
The secondary is wound with copper wire diameter 0.35mm on a box of whiskey (cardboard cylinder)

Sergey.
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Hi folks,
I like it how the posts are running. I was some days offline and need to digest all your contributions. And thanks Zilano for your effort
I still dig in basics and I'd like to share them with you. You know from differnt posts my concern to short pulses. It is not possible to cover many details in a forum. Therefore I wrote another doc containing my current notions.
Short Pulse Generation for radiant circuits.
But please do not expect a scinetific correct and proved book - IT IS NOT. Understand it as a open warehouse with offers for thoughts, some basic knowledge, some hints. I share with you my starting knowledge for more practical experiments starting soon. My notions shall be used as tools and not as fast food, being spoon fed. Invent YOUR schematic and setup AFTER you understand.
I would like to get REs if you find some errors left but I will not enter discussions regarding complaints and off topic content.

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Old 05-01-2012, 10:37 PM
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Gratitude!!!!!!!

Hello All,

The red pill or the blue one?

Hmmmmm Ebay 1 bidder US$ 23 and youtube.Easy decision.YEAH BABY YEAH!

This Don Video junkie just got higher....Now I play his videos at nights while I sleep to get stuff into my subconscious...Then muse on Zilano's award winning schematics,which I will be printing off in colour and pasting in my ceiling.Until the day I assemble all the parts together.

Zilano, I remember writing a post about your Zen-like attitude towards the crtisicisms.Unfortunately I did not get to post it.

Keep posting Zilano, this is one raging fire that won't be extinguished that easily, of course that is what they want.The attacks have increased in magnitude.They have studied your profile Zilano,they have analysed all your posts, your attitude, everything.How you respond to persons.Then they collaborated to use NLP methods to shut you down.I know the trends in this forum.I see the subtle comments, those who are really passionate about this stuff and those who may well be employer and employees and share holders in the oil giants.

Remember Don said at one point in time he knew too much and was getting too much (salary) and the others around him got uncomfortable then suddenly he found himself without a job....(Donald L Smith Interview ZPE Film).

Yes they had you figured out Zilano, they got found the right words to use,the right locker combination to break your Zen like approach to this forum.I have worked with hundreds of people and now stuff flows off my back like water on a ducks back...

Glad you are back Madam, I have your recent images again safe on my flashdrive for transfer to another drive and finally hard copies which I will be sharing with non-members as usual.

Thank you Zilano,

Thank you.
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All the guys asked me for something that work.
Ok, here you've it from the hand of Don Smith:
Thanks Sir,

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Ok,ok,ok I would not hold you in that emotions for longer time....I see you you scratch your head trying to find this video and blaming again poor Don Smith about hiding information even after his death....

Donald L Smith Inventors Weekend 2001 - YouTube
Great job Sir.Very well appreciated.

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Thanks for your kind words Ged!!!
You are Welcome !

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Old 05-01-2012, 11:42 PM
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Hi
I have been following this forum for more than a year I read from post 1 right to the end, I got very exited when I saw that Zilano’s posts but I soon became disillusioned , when I saw people trying to replicate without success, then I started asking questions, why would you claim working devices? and then post different circuits and give advice on how to build, I have said on a previous post that every time it looks that we are going in the right direction we get steered in another, that is why I support Farmhand and Dragon, and I believe that if you all read these post’s from the beginning you can only get to the same conclusions. Ask yourself this question why would Zilano not answer any of Patrick Kelley’s questions? But Zilano is not the only one there is more.
Gedfire claimed success in a previous post but never posted his working device, Mr Clean has been building for a long time on that same advice and so has Jfoer I have the utmost respect for them, but there comes a time that you have to start asking questions. I respect Slovenia but I think he did not look at the whole picture and in the interest off getting where we should go to he should reevaluate his position.
But who am I to say anything I am just a junior member.
Blessings to all.
Best regards Johan

Sir African,


Read all your post.I was once at a state of consciousness like you just now.


I read the stuff here.THEN decided to look at the material CRITICALLY, I fact I have emphasized in some of my posts.

Having read most of the posts of others and the appropriate links.I watch Dons videos several times and made notes.

Then I spent weeks,even months cross reference the remotest regions of the internet to verify, from a theoretical prospective, any possiblity of the claims postulated here.


THAT was KEY to my understanding of these devices.


I went back to my High School physics texts and Advanced Level Textbooks and looked up stuff such as resonance, LC circuits resonant transformers.

I watched read,watched and listened to countless material done by people with NO interest in free energy and related matters.

I gathered anecdotal evidence from colleagues TOTALLY oblivious of this forum.For example, over eleven years ago, a colleague told me she received a SHOCK from her cellphone in the house where I was living when she made a call during a thunderstorm.She was insulated from the ground, was not the tallest object in the house and the cell phone battery is supposed to pump a mere 3.7 volts.....

This year I did a search on the net and found to my shock and and surprise that others have experienced this phenomenon.

My students and I last week built a RECTENNA and got .3 volts from a zinc sheeting and now this week we are gonna increase the modules and add more ground with thicker wires for more power.

Small stuff with big implications.

No, I do not have a Don Smith device.I bought some materials but, I still have a few to go.I had opted to wait until I am satisfied with all the information i had gather then , set out to build a device.

I am glad I waited.My approach is to gather as much info as possible so that I fully understand what I am doing.

To add more to this discourse, I have gathered hundreds of pages of info on Crystal radios and how they work.I searched until I found the one that gave the LOUDEST signal, then analysed WHY it would behave like that.The experimenter from way back then said: DEEPER and MORE GROUNDING.Voltage multipliers, proper tuning and a kick ass galena diode.

Off topic??? Bull**** and I say! I feel satisfied that my understanding is even better!

Several people on you-tube have posted videos of wireless transmission of energy,and resonant transformers in action.Kelly's PDF book contains many clues to such devices.

I believe more than enough information has been disseminated here.Don himself said that of the hundreds of replicators only, 6 or so has had successes.

I will replicate the DS device, but I have my own spin to add to it drawing on ALL knowledge available from the sources I have.I am not a blind follower.I have carefully crafted my path.I have no funds to waste and so I am meticulously planning my moves in replicated this device.

An example: Don spoke forever about self healing capacitors.I know of no one on this forum using any,might not be necessary BUT I am gonna go that route.Don used NST without GFI (well,so it seems). I plan to (a) build my own or (b) get one as close as possible to the one Don has or HAVE IT CUSTOM BUILT! Don spoke about custom building stuff.

Zilano made her own.I also noticed Don's earlier driver circuits have not been used ( am I wrong here) by experimenters on this forum.Most have bought NST's.What I suspect that the Powers that be had the insight that once the puss got out of the bag, the yachts,lear jets,limos and power structure would collapse.Power to the people style....So they made changes to NST claiming more safety features while disabling any use of it in any experimental Don device.After all, Don did claim that his backing was substantial he was aiming to stop any suppression of any kind.Bu the powers that be are also very smart.Your NSTs might be dead from the get go, as many other components have been added to kill your chances of getting your device dancing.I have seen references to this elsewhere.Some electronic items do have some components to kill any free energy.(Maybe that is why cell phones don't shock anymore...)

YOU must maintain focus.NOBODY on this forum can take make me lose focus.I save read most stuff here and otherwise.I might divert, but I remain resolute.My attitude is that I will build the device when I feel its time.If it works fine, if not, then I will trouble shoot and try again.looking at every parameters, crossing all t's, dotting all i's. Edision made hundreds of light bulbs, he kept trying,


Thomas Alva Edison, born in Ohio on February 11, 1847, was one of the most ... 1878 to 1880 Edison and his associates worked on at least three thousand ... Incandescent lamps make light by using electricity to heat a thin strip of ... Even though it is over a hundred years old, this bulb looks very much like the light bulbs ...

Yes, kept going.NEVER allowed ANYONE to distract him but stuck to the tasks.I can imagine people scoffing and poking fun at him,but he perservered as has many others before and after him.NOW IS THE DARKEST HOUR BEFORE DAWN.

Keep working my friends and be of good cheer! My new Don HIGH QUALITY video download is now complete.A night of good stuff now awaits!

Thanks guys and come on enjoy yourselves.

Have a blast.

Ged
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Old 05-01-2012, 11:57 PM
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Dons Video

I watched the first part of the last video linked. I had to laugh when Don
"pretended" to shock himself. Then I turned it off.

Where he talks about the four coil setup he is just wrong, each of the three
free coils cannot duplicate the same amount of electricity as the powered one.

Try it and see. He's lying. For a start he has some neons on the free standing
coils which in all reality would probably light by just holding them there by
hand without the three free standing coils. I bet when he does the
demonstration of it if he ever did or does he measures nothing.

They might appear to have the same voltage and might too, but they will not
all together deliver the equal or more of the input power to the powered one.

If no one on this thread can replicate that simple experiment what hope is there.

I don't begrudge anyone their experiments but we should face reality when we
do the experiment and it becomes obvious there is deceit.

If someone makes an bad evaluation of a device fair enough, but when it is
proven otherwise by ones own experimental evidence and only a claim was
ever made with no proof I believe the experiment.

I would say that even if one of the Don believers did the experiment and it
proved Don wrong they would not show it or say so.

It only really requires two coils the powered one and one receiver, if the
receiver cannot even produce 50% of the input power of the powered coil
then it is a scam. I've already done the experiment it doesn't work like he
says it does for me.

I encourage people to do the experiment for themselves though and see, then
share it here.

With all the people on this thread if no one at all can do the experiment and
show even a small gain. Well enough said. Why avoid it ?

Cheers

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Old 05-02-2012, 12:38 AM
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Dear Folks!

i wont be posting on here for a while coz i have some work urgent to cater to.

i would Humbly request our seniour and respected member Mr. Dragon. Sorry i I dont know his name to guide u further in D.S. device and aswell as Kacher device. We both following similar track. As all roads lead to Rome.

I Kindly request Mr. Dragon to advice and elate morals of the replicators and guide them with his profound knowledge and expertise.

I also kindly request Mr. Vidbid with his expertise in drawing and deciphering the circuit for the benefit of members. and share his knowledge and act as God father to this thread.

and Mr. Woopy with amazing experiments to share his experiences and knowledge and videos that are admired from everone in here and around.
Mr. Woopy u r good replicator i admire that quality of yours.

I hope the people i have requested will guide this thread to success!

regards

zzzz
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You'll be sorely missed. Take care of what you need to take care of

...and come back.
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Old 05-02-2012, 01:16 AM
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Farmhand, I've done the experiment - it doesn't work. All of the receivers are loosing energy to the environment and only a small amount gets reflected back to the transmitter. If, however, you place all the coils inside the primary coil and all are heavily loaded equally there is duplication or very close to it. Because of the heavy load the energy pulse sent out is also returned to a large degree. Also, this condition doesn't occur at the normal coils resonance, I believe it's similar but a different form of resonance occurring between the sent and returned signals. I'm really not sure exactly, this is the only way I could find to explain it.

All the coils in this test contained the exact length of wire but wound on different forms. The primary is a tank circuit which is why I was able to get the initial input so low.

http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...e-img_0791.jpg

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Hello Sergey,

I redraw your schematic(attached).
Can you please specify the red mark values.

i.e: transistor?
primary/secondary coil length/dia etc.

As seen one end of the secondary coil is directly connect to the base of the transistors, is it not blow the transistor?


Regs,
D.J

Hello DJ!
Glad to meet you!
Here some improvenet for your schematics Ferrite rings good for Computer suplyers but does not affect into Katcher, it is useless! It is not good idea to use Electrolit capacitors because a real amplitude of siglas could be more that 200 volt in ANY wires here Never touch HOT output of Secondary by any meters or Ocsilloscopes! All transisstors (You could use any amount of them whatewer you need to get more power) should be on radiator and Fun is better solution to prevent them from heat! to get 0,6 volt on base you shoul use poti and if your power is 100 volt it maybe 25-10k and if just 6 volt - 300 - 400 om

Vadim

PS Katcher may not works at ones you put enerfy in schematic come time it need to be "initiate" by touching a base of thansistor my finger or metal scroodriver or whatever

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A very very smart person I know personally who has seen Don's work in person up close and personal does not think Don's work is fake. He is very astute about spotting any fakery and has been an alternate energy researcher much of his adult life. Sorry Farmhand but I'm not accepting your opinion on this for a minute.

I think what Smokey (also a long time energy researcher/builder) has to say from the Crystal Radio thread (seems like it would be more appropriate here but that's where it ended up) here may be highly relevant to the Don Smith device (Smokey even states it relates to Don's stuff) and perhaps a point you missed in assessing his coil setup: "If you people are not going to listen to an oldtimer with a great deal of experience in OU research, then I will just disappear into the bush just like Eric has done.

One thing I should make note of is the direction of winding.
My Primary and Secondary are both CCW but for some unknown reason I stood on the wrong side whilst winding my first WORKING Extra and wound it CW - opposite.
The new Extra is also wound CCW but does not work or is difficult to get to work and my drawing shows why.

Eric (Dollard) states clearly to wind ALL Coils in the same direction but I may have accidentally stumbled across another discovery which I will prove out on my return.

Not going to sit here working out all the Math problems and for all of you to not understand and discredit.
If you are so blind that you cannot see what I am presenting then I will simply fade into the distance, again like Eric.

What you may not realise is that what is being presented before your very eyes is the entire secret to winding coils like Don Smith and Kapanadze use but nobody knows why they work and all their efforts were/are of an empirical nature.

What Kapanadze is currently using is a split Copper main core and this is his Primary as he is attempting to build as Eric has shown with all the Math that I am fully supporting as shown above and replicates a Tesla Magnifying Transformer (TMT).

What the Kapanadze device now needs is the Secondary and Extra Coils to be wound using the data that I have supplied and we should have our OU device.
The only outstanding question is the direction to wind the Extra Coil and I will clear that up when I return.

I am sorry to be working with people that cannot see the light when it has all been presented before you and very clearly at that with full reference to Eric's theory and in agreement.

Didn't you hear that my Extra Coil WORKED first time using Eric's Math but on the MULTIPLY side and NOT the DIVIDE side - what do you need to see the LIGHT!?

If I am beginning to sound like Eric then you may wake up and realise why, some day.

The information passed on from this 'discovery' even shows clearly that Tesla may have made a mistake with his operating fequency and he chose the wrong side of his 96 Khz base frequency and used the 60 Khz side instead of the 149 Khz side.
This may be why he had tuning problems as his work was of an empirical nature without a solid working Math base which we now have thanks to Eric and some accidental discoveries.
Tesla may also have had technical equipment problems at the higher frequency and why he chose the lower.

WAKE UP!

Smokey"

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Katcher is possible with Car Ignition Coil

Tesla - Ignition coil | Flickr - Photo Sharing!I have build Katcher with primaty and secondary coill of standart Car Ignition coil and get very strange pic on Oscilloscope
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I watched the first part of the last video linked. I had to laugh when Don
"pretended" to shock himself. Then I turned it off.

Where he talks about the four coil setup he is just wrong, each of the three
free coils cannot duplicate the same amount of electricity as the powered one.

Try it and see. He's lying. For a start he has some neons on the free standing
coils which in all reality would probably light by just holding them there by
hand without the three free standing coils. I bet when he does the
demonstration of it if he ever did or does he measures nothing.

They might appear to have the same voltage and might too, but they will not
all together deliver the equal or more of the input power to the powered one.

If no one on this thread can replicate that simple experiment what hope is there.

I don't begrudge anyone their experiments but we should face reality when we
do the experiment and it becomes obvious there is deceit.

If someone makes an bad evaluation of a device fair enough, but when it is
proven otherwise by ones own experimental evidence and only a claim was
ever made with no proof I believe the experiment.

I would say that even if one of the Don believers did the experiment and it
proved Don wrong they would not show it or say so.

It only really requires two coils the powered one and one receiver, if the
receiver cannot even produce 50% of the input power of the powered coil
then it is a scam. I've already done the experiment it doesn't work like he
says it does for me.

I encourage people to do the experiment for themselves though and see, then
share it here.

With all the people on this thread if no one at all can do the experiment and
show even a small gain. Well enough said. Why avoid it ?

Cheers
lol yes i think he poked himself with it and felt perhaps like a shock....

BUT..... i would like to respectfully say (in your words) "You are simply Wrong" about not being able to tune and duplicate the power...

virtually exact 4 coil tower replication
by DEDcolorado, (hey maybe im wrong, but this is good)

smit1 - YouTube
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been busy

hi everyone, i have prob missed so much good info, but ive been busy working on the Smith on a mini scale to prove some things out...

at the end i show how this relates directly to Don Smith Project... as that was my model

PS, this works and IS the Don Smith system, low voltage 0 hz, then step up volts and freq, then step down and use

there is a gain present, and on the second last vid, a guy calculated that it shouldve run for 24 seconds, and it ran for 208 seconds

From the start, Don's claim was that it makes more than it takes, and this is as close as ive come so far, YES it needs a source, so what, there is more light than 12 v at 0 Amps

12volts going to 12 watts of DC lights, should demand 1 AMP, AM I RIGHT? here there is no noticeable current on a 0-5amp scale..and yes i prove my meter works

Radiant Oscillator Circuit Part 5: 0 Amps X 12 volts =12 Watts ? Part 5/ - YouTube

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Therefore I wrote another doc containing my current notions.
Short Pulse Generation for radiant circuits.
Fantastic primer John! This topic is the very reason I've chosen the XR2206 function generator (instead of the <1-Mhz-throttled 555 timer) to drive the coil out of a 12VDC/1.8KV solid-state NST. (keeping things lower voltage for experiments).

My next tests involve bypassing the resonant complexities of the TC altogether and concentrate on Don's 'capacitor is all you need' montra.

But in order to do that, I need to control the NST freq, PWM, FET/IGBT switching strategy directly -- to bring the cap bank to resonance safely!

Can't wait to get it all wired up

Hoping to post the results when I get back in town in a couple of weeks
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lol yes i think he poked himself with it and felt perhaps like a shock....

BUT..... i would like to respectfully say (in your words) "You are simply Wrong" about not being able to tune and duplicate the power...

virtually exact 4 coil tower replication
by DEDcolorado, (hey maybe im wrong, but this is good)

smit1 - YouTube
That video proves absolutely nothing of the kind. There is no input power
measurement to compare the non existent load power measurement to.

Which is exactly why the fallacy continues. The power levels are pathetic,
single LED's ? Single LED's can be lit by the noise from a ground connection.

The receiver coils are almost close enough to get an inductive effect directly
from the powered primary, or capacitively and even induction from one tall coil to another.

Do the experiment and actually measure the power. You will need radio
frequency equipment to measure the power or make DC from it.

Load power should be measured through the load.

I like the oscillator you showed. But there must be input power or the coil
would not initially charge. I'm betting if measured correctly the load power
would be less than the input power. I'm just guessing but in all fairness so are you.

I would say the video you linked with the four coils demo is an accurate
replication of Dons setup. But there is no measurement to prove anything.
I wonder why.

Cheers

P.S. You can't seriously expect to see 50 Ma using a 5 amp meter from that
distance. analogue meters can be damaged by shorting them too I think.

Anyway today I'll try to get the oscillator you showed, to work for me. I won't
be trying to disprove anything though I want to use it. Thanks for sharing it.
It looks very useful.

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That video proves absolutely nothing of the kind. There is no input power
measurement to compare the non existent load power measurement to.

Which is exactly why the fallacy continues. The power levels are pathetic,
single LED's ? Single LED's can be lit by the noise from a ground connection.

The receiver coils are almost close enough to get an inductive effect directly
from the powered primary, or capacitively and even induction from one tall coil to another.

Do the experiment and actually measure the power. You will need radio
frequency equipment to measure the power or make DC from it.

Load power should be measured through the load.

I like the oscillator you showed. But there must be input power or the coil
would not initially charge. I'm betting if measured correctly the load power
would be less than the input power. I'm just guessing but in all fairness so are you.

I would say the video you linked with the four coils demo is an accurate
replication of Dons setup. But there is no measurement to prove anything.
I wonder why.

Cheers

P.S. You can't seriously expect to see 50 Ma using a 5 amp meter from that
distance. analogue meters can be damaged by shorting them too I think.

Anyway today I'll try to get the oscillator you showed, to work for me. I won't
be trying to disprove anything though I want to use it. Thanks for sharing it.
It looks very useful.

..
i see what you're saying, but going from brightness is pretty evident, the outer remote L2's were all able to match the center's brightness...

ok well anyway, thanks for checkin it out, and thanks for interest in the oscillator circuit i added the schematic

Radiant Oscillator Circuit / Don Smith Part 5: 0 Amps X 12 volts =12 Watts ? Part 5/ - YouTube

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The way I understand Don now, is he was saying that each of the receivers could
duplicate the energy output of the "transmitter" Which I can see now is a
deliberately confusing statement. And different to what I originally thought he
was saying. If the input to the transmitter is 50 watts, and the utilized output
of that transmitter is 1 watt by the transmitters own LED then yes the other
three coils maybe can match that 1 watt each.

But if the transmitter has an input of 50 watts and itself has a load of 50 watts
the other three coils won't match that. I think the 50 watts would be spread
between them depending on the transmitter load and where it was located,
or the transmitter would just use the 50 watts and not actually transmit anything.

Also even if all four coils produced 10 watts each it is still under unity if the
input to the transmitter is 50 watts.

If it is true over unity someone should prove it because it is a fairly simple setup. People
in this thread should have most of the equipment and parts to do it. The
correct measuring equipment I don't have either, but I can measure the input.

Cheers

P.S. I think Don even slips and gives us the real purpose of that arrangement.
He says to build it to impress the people who don't like what we are doing.
Meaning I think, family and friends who don't understand and think we waste
our time and money. Show a person skilled in a technical field and the first
thing they will likely say is what is the output compared to the input. An answer is needed.

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hi everyone, i have prob missed so much good info, but ive been busy working on the Smith on a mini scale to prove some things out...

at the end i show how this relates directly to Don Smith Project... as that was my model

PS, this works and IS the Don Smith system, low voltage 0 hz, then step up volts and freq, then step down and use

there is a gain present, and on the second last vid, a guy calculated that it shouldve run for 24 seconds, and it ran for 208 seconds

From the start, Don's claim was that it makes more than it takes, and this is as close as ive come so far, YES it needs a source, so what, there is more light than 12 v at 0 Amps

12volts going to 12 watts of DC lights, should demand 1 AMP, AM I RIGHT? here there is no noticeable current on a 0-5amp scale..and yes i prove my meter works

Radiant Oscillator Circuit Part 5: 0 Amps X 12 volts =12 Watts ? Part 5/ - YouTube

Hi Kdkinen!

i was about to catch flight but just peeked in and saw your vdo.

great vdo and great approach! really admire your work and insight.

suggestions: if you may want to try

1. add 1F cap (variable the better) across + and - of the output coil to fine tune the resonance.

2. insulate the outerbody of output car coil and wrap with an alluminium foil around it and attach a wire to it and lead it to two diodes charging cap avramenko plug with 2F/12 volt and attach the + and minus of this avramenko plug to battery. and try to charge battery and see if it self runs without battery.
the touch and run device i mean.

we all appreciate your valuable input and admire your work. the zeal and admiration u have for Don and his device is much appreciated. many people feel that Don device dont work but they all are wrong.

i admire your every vdo and like your ideas as most people on here do.

thanks for posting and keep rolling !

thanks for being active member of this forum and inputting amazing ideas and videos.

much appreciation for your work !

rgds

zelina

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Hi,zilano!

Nice to see(read) you again.
Can we go back to our discussion?
Did you see my video and scheme?


By the way.
Is there any other forum where you place your posts?

if you want you can answer me privately.

Best regards,

Sergey.

Hi Sergey!

i will surely discuss with you when i come back. sorry to make u wait. i have something important to attend to right now.

rgds

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mr clean, I was wondering do you think it might be possible that the current
path through the base of the transistor connected to ground is adding energy to
the circuit due to the signal that is triggering it ?

I've got some idea's for a circuit using a three plate cap and the oscillator you
showed I will share my thinking after I draw it and test it even if I can't make it work.

Cheers
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darlington pair- current gain

Darlington pair

This is two transistors connected together so that the amplified current from the first is amplified further by the second transistor. This gives the Darlington pair a very high current gain such as 10000. Darlington pairs are sold as complete packages containing the two transistors. They have three leads (B, C and E) which are equivalent to the leads of a standard individual transistor.

You can make up your own Darlington pair from two transistors.
For example:
  • For TR1 use BC548B with hFE1 = 220.
  • For TR2 use BC639 with hFE2 = 40.
The overall gain of this pair is hFE1 × hFE2 = 220 × 40 = 8800.
The pair's maximum collector current IC(max) is the same as TR2.

one can use two 2n3055 to make darlington pair as MR. clean/Kdkinen has don in his two car coil radiant circuit


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Yes that's right zilano, the arrangement can also be used for amplifying a signal to drive a mosfet gate. It's very common.
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