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Old 04-25-2012, 06:00 AM
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Okay. Here it is:



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Old 04-25-2012, 06:53 AM
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Again some questions

@vidbid: thank you for the nice circuit drawing.

@dragon and woopy: What I woud like to discuss is the output stage of the kacher.

Question 1: Is the ignition coil essential? (Is the captret/AV-plug getting the current/charge out of the ground or is it the ignition coil?)

I altered the circuit drawing of vidbid by omitting the ignition coil. The transformer like coils (one coil in series with the spark gab, the other coil for output to a lamp, see the altered drawing) should produce the right voltage for the lamp (when wound with the right number of turns, may be they should be air coils like the 8.5" kacher coils). Instead of the lamp one could put a rectifier for battery charging or any other load?

Question 2: Is the output of the captret/AV-plug high voltage?

One of my questions to Dragon was:

Question 3: Did you experiment with other types of output (besides the ignition coil or the captret) and what were the results? (Is the captret essential or the plate between the supply batteries?)

Remark: I understand that experimenters might be reluctant to share results because it is always annoying when people ask questions instead of doing the experiments themselves. Still, why make people do some tests with an ignition coil in case the ignition coil is not necessary. Ignition coils have awful losses.

A little result of my experiments (with the wrong kacher coil, diameter to big, 200 turns instead of 50 turns): whatever one puts into the coil for output (ring, two rings, other coils, AV-plugs), it feeds back into the transistor circuit and the resistor (between base of transistor and positive of supply) has to be readjusted. Specially with a supply voltage higher than 10 V (e.g. 24 V) the tuning of the base resistor is very important in order to avoid a very high current through the transistor (which destroys it easily). The TIP31 or the MJE13007 should support a very high current from collector to emitter (many amperes), so I guess it is a high current from the base into the transistor which is the problem with this circuit? The diode and LED between the base of the transistor and ground (in my circuit) did not solve the problem, although it helps very much to see a dangerous heavy load on the transistor because the LED does not shine when a quasi short circuit situation arises in the transistor (no oscillation in the big coil on the base).

Greetings, Conrad

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Old 04-25-2012, 07:08 AM
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@vidbid: thank you for the nice circuit drawing.
My pleasure, Conrad!

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Old 04-25-2012, 10:32 AM
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Dream from Africa

Hi Haan,

Thanks for your interest!!

Some chap from Africa who is not a member of this forum wanted me to post his dream on the forum. He felt that Don Smith was giving him the secret of his device in the dream and wanted to share it with others so that someone else could experiment with it to determine whether the information was of any positive use or not. I was just posting the information for another chap.

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Not sure why you are suggesting the secondary is/should be 4 coils?.

Don Smith described some time ago how one side of the counter-wound L2 produces Voltage, whereas the other end produces Amps (current). His L2 consisted of 2 counter-wound coils connected in series.

Read page 19 of the Vladimir Utkin doc mentioned above.

Also, Vidbid kindly posted relevant information in a post in a different thread, including a reference to a "video by Dr. Peter Lindemann called Tesla's Radiant Energy - Extraordinary Technology Conference".

Thus it appears that your ideas are already 'out there', though I could be misunderstanding your point Slovenia.
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Hi Haan,

Thanks for taking the time to answer the post. The dreamer is in Senegal Africa and doesn't have the equipment and/or the knowledge to replicate what he dreamed about, so he was wanting some input from other more knowledgeable electrical types. Thanks again for your replies!!!

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based on my replies you can tell your dreamer that he was correct.
Keep the revelations coming...
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Old 04-25-2012, 01:00 PM
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Conrad, The ignition coil is simply a visual representation of the output - any coil/transformer combination could work at that point. I've experimented with various output scenarios - pulse motors, direct magnetic experiments, transformers etc. All with varying degrees of success. The best so far has been to create a resonant tank circuit to drive a specific load such as this one...

http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...capture2.1.jpg

Early designs used the Tip31 and I lost a bunch of them, I went to the 13007 which works much better and hold up very well - there may be better ones out there. I've done a few tests with this pushing the input to over 3 amps - you can imagine the output at that point. I've also taken them to a point of flames - literally.

It is by far not completely perfect at this point but displays some very interesting and quite amazing results.
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Old 04-25-2012, 04:18 PM
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Conrad, If you want a specific answer that it is or isn't overunity then the answer is No it is not. The circuit I present here requires an input energy to create a disturbance in the earth ground that causes an output activity in excess of its external input. Overunity would imply that it requires no external source of energy while driving a load and provide an excess of energy to drive another load or charge batteries - it does not. If your driving a 100 watt bulb with 100 watts it is said to be 100% efficient - I say it is a 100% loss. If your driving a 100 watt bulb with 50 watts some would call it 200% efficient, overunity, or a COP of 2 - I see a 50 watt loss and there is nothing over anything, but... it is more efficient than the first. So I suppose it depends on how you view the term overunity, when I see a bulb lighting with no measurable input that, to me, is 100% efficient regardless of the load.

The answer your seeking would be in the discharge rate of the capacitor driving the ignition coil. Calculate the energy the cap contains when charged to a given voltage then multiply by the discharge rate per second and you have J/s which if driven continuously would equate to watts or watt/hours. Not necessarily an exact figure on the output but a general idea of what it might be doing.

So, what would the next logical step be?
Kapanadze starts his device with a 9v battery so no overunity?
If i have a device that uses 50w input and puts out 100w, no overunity?
You say you have a device that creates an excess of it's input but is not overunity?
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Old 04-25-2012, 05:27 PM
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I wouldn't include the initial "start" energy as long as the circuit maintained a continuous power level during it's time of operation. It would show no man made external source is used to drive a load. If all it did was drive that load then I would consider that to be unity.

Driving a 100 watt load with 50 watts is efficient - not unity and certainly not over.

Magnification of energy through capacitive discharge is not overunity it is a time manipulation of the energy accumulated. We can increase the accumulation by attracting charges from the earth or air - thus adding energy from the environment. If the accumulation is at a level you can drive a load and feed the excess back to the driving circuit then you have unity. I'm even going to recant my statement from an earlier post where I stated that if the system could power itself and charge a battery or drive a load that would be overunity - it is not. The energy comes from somewhere and returns in one form or another - always unity - always balanced - you get nothing "over".

You can't make more of something without taking from something.

Those are simply my observations on the matter and the term overunity as it is loosly used could have many different interpretations in the way it is used. The term creates to many illusions - remove the illusion, what's left is the truth and this is a much better base line to start from.
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Would you please elaborate that a bit more. Give light in our mind.
1. You refer to schematic from SnE?
2. Where exactly do the scalar waves emanate?
3. Suggest target-aimed modifications, please!
4. How to connect a motor, where?
Hi John!
Ok!. If you want I will try to explain my point of view about Smith's device. It isn't my own the result of researching. But it is the result of some Russian replicators.
First read the sheme (see the attachment).
The description is in russian unfortunately. The document is too big for translation.
So ask the questions. I'll try to answer.
Also see the links.

Best regards
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About the KT 805 russian transistor
This is very old and cheep type of transistor. You can use any other 5A instead.

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Old 04-25-2012, 07:03 PM
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About the KT 805 russian transistor
This is very old and cheep type of transistor. You can use any other 5A instead.

Best regards
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Thanks, Sergey.

I appreciate that information.

Best regards,

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Old 04-25-2012, 07:15 PM
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Conrad, The ignition coil is simply a visual representation of the output - any coil/transformer combination could work at that point. I've experimented with various output scenarios - pulse motors, direct magnetic experiments, transformers etc. All with varying degrees of success. The best so far has been to create a resonant tank circuit to drive a specific load such as this one...

http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...capture2.1.jpg

Early designs used the Tip31 and I lost a bunch of them, I went to the 13007 which works much better and hold up very well - there may be better ones out there. I've done a few tests with this pushing the input to over 3 amps - you can imagine the output at that point. I've also taken them to a point of flames - literally.

It is by far not completely perfect at this point but displays some very interesting and quite amazing results.
@Dragon:

This is indeed some good info and it helps a lot. Your disclosure (oscillator circuit and output tank circuit) enables me to proceed to some interesting experiments.

I am sorry for my insistent and rude posts, I thought you are one of the numerous wafflers in this forum.

And of course, again questions:

I understand that you are keen on reproducing some "earth resonance frequency" of around 1 MHz with your coil dimensions (8.5" diameter and 50 turns). Could you please give some info about this frequency. What is its exact value (if known)? What theory or speculation is it based on?

Some trivial calculations with the "mini Ringkern-Rechner 1.2" (mini Ringkern-Rechner ):

(8.5") 215 mm diameter, 50 turns, hight of coil about 70 mm ==> 700 H

700 H , 1 MHz ==> around 35 pF for tuning

I have some very nice tuning capacitors from old radios with 0 -360 pF and 0 -520 pF, which should be perfect for this job. But woopy's tuning capacitor is unbeatable for looks.

Greetings, Conrad

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Old 04-25-2012, 07:28 PM
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Tank circuit, capacitor with metal can

@Dragon:

In your tank circuit http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...capture2.1.jpg you use a 2 F 600 Volt capacitor (metal can type).

Is it essential that it has 2 F? (Should it have a high capacitance?)

I plan to build my own three plate capacitor (with copper sheets and plastic sheets for insulation), but it would have around 200 pF. Is this to low?

Would this be a good capacitor 56x Motor-Kondensator 5uF 400V 30x80mm ; AEG | eBay (AC motor start cap)?

Or would this one be better5 Ölpapier-Kondensator 2,5 uF 370 V | eBay (lpapier-Kondensator 2,5 uF 370 V )?

Greetings, Conrad

P.S.: Yes, I am asking too many questions.

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Old 04-25-2012, 08:05 PM
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@Dragon:

This is indeed some good info and it helps a lot. Your disclosure (oscillator circuit and output tank circuit) enables me to proceed to some interesting experiments.

I am sorry for my insistent and rude posts, I thought you are one of the numerous wafflers in this forum.

And of course, again questions:

I understand that you are keen on reproducing some "earth resonance frequency" of around 1 MHz with your coil dimensions (8.5" diameter and 50 turns). Could you please give some info about this frequency. What is its exact value (if known)? What theory or speculation is it based on?

Some trivial calculations with the "mini Ringkern-Rechner 1.2" (mini Ringkern-Rechner ):

(8.5") 215 mm diameter, 50 turns, hight of coil about 70 mm ==> 700 H

700 H , 1 MHz ==> around 35 pF for tuning

I have some very nice tuning capacitors from old radios with 0 -360 pF and 0 -520 pF, which should be perfect for this job. But woopy's tuning capacitor is unbeatable for looks.

Greetings, Conrad
I like woopys adjustable cap also, quite creative - beautiful work and very functional. The spacing on the radio air caps is pretty close and you'll get a lot of flash over on the plates. Make sure they will handle 1000+ volts and they should be fine for that circuit.

My coils are coming in at around 815uh - made another one yesterday to replace one that was burned. I'm using 1.095 Mhz because out of all the coils I've tested it seems to create the best response and it happens to be a harmonic of 6, 7.5 and 8 hz . My main objective is to attract charges or more appropriately "suck" them in, either through an earth ground or antenna or a combination of both.

I don't have all the answers yet but I'm continuously searching for solutions as everyone else. This is one of the many things I've stumbled on that was quite successful in my journey.
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Old 04-25-2012, 08:17 PM
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@Dragon:

In your tank circuit http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...capture2.1.jpg you use a 2 F 600 Volt capacitor (metal can type).

Is it essential that it has 2 F? (Should it have a high capacitance?)

I plan to build my own three plate capacitor (with copper sheets and plastic sheets for insulation), but it would have around 200 pF. Is this to low?

Would this be a good capacitor 56x Motor-Kondensator 5uF 400V 30x80mm ; AEG | eBay (AC motor start cap)?

Or would this one be better5 Ölpapier-Kondensator 2,5 uF 370 V | eBay (lpapier-Kondensator 2,5 uF 370 V )?

Greetings, Conrad

P.S.: Yes, I am asking too many questions.
If you go to small the discharge rate is exceptionally fast but the actual power is low. It's best to size them in the range of 30 to 60 hz discharge that way there is a reasonable amount of power stored and the current it generates in the discharge is fairly high. I've found 2 uf to be reasonable for my system and some of the tests I've done. woopy is using a 1uf which holds a good amount of power but I would say that would be the minimum for a good output.

I've rolled a couple 5500pf caps and used it with the system and it works well for driving a higher frequency coil system - such as using this system to drive a secondary tesla coil primary - this works very well ( shown on my youtube channel lighting a 60 watt outdoor CFL in the tube of the secondary tesla coil.) It's quite versatile overall in its uses....



If your going for the motor caps use a "run" cap not a "start" cap. the start caps aren't meant for continuous use the run caps can deal with the high currents.
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Again, great info, thank you

@Dragon:

Thank you, the info is most helpful and saves me a lot of time (1095 KHz, 815 H, 2 F tank cap value and cap type).

I guess you are talking about the Schumann resonances when you mention 6, 7.5 and 8 Hz Schumann resonances - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ?

Tomorrow I will try to get that big plastic evacuation tube DN 200 (about 200 mm diameter) at one of the "Baumrkte".

Greetings, Conrad
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Hi SnE,
some last questions in order to finish the doc.
- How many welding rods used?
- What length?
- Are all 6 grounds the same connection?
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Hi Dragon and Conrad

I tried to concentrate my effort to the basic of the system

The "charging by induction " that Dragon proposed some post ago.

I need to understand why this work like this , but it works like this.

There is an amazing exciting between the battery and the kacher due to ground coupling.

hope this helps

Laurent

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Ok!. If you want I will try to explain my point of view about Smith's device. It isn't my own the result of researching. But it is the result of some Russian replicators.
First read the sheme (see the attachment).
The description is in russian unfortunately. .....
Sergey.
Thanks Sergey,
Googel translater helped. Some words not translated. Perhaps you might like to do the small final translation in order to forward it to the community? see
  • Who is the replicator?
  • What is that box named SISG after C2.
  • What is teh function of L31? Blocking HF and while giving GND reference to center tap.
rgds John
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Hi Dragon and Conrad

I tried to concentrate my effort to the basic of the system

The "charging by induction " that Dragon proposed some post ago.

I need to understand why this work like this , but it works like this.

There is an amazing exciting between the battery and the kacher due to ground coupling.

hope this helps

Laurent

Amazing exciting between ground and battery 1.wmv - YouTube
Very nice once again woopy ! Sometimes we get to a point where our mind is spinning trying to find the answers we seek. Take note that the kacher circuit is the portion that wastes the energy - it uses a certain amount just to run, when you light the bulb there is very little change on the input. So how much power did the circuit have to supply to light the bulb?
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If you have counter wound secondary (not primary), this is most definitely not true. The counter wound coils will share the same dipole, and so will both react in such a way as to oppose the change, they will NOT cancel each other out, and will not avoid Lenz.
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Here Is My Latest Schem. It Has Changed A Little. But Still Lights A Fl

30w Bulb/ Not Quite As Brite But I Am Working On That. Vidbid Gets

Credit For Most Of Schem Work. I Just Change A Few Things.

Latter All

P.s. Before Long I Will Have A Device Close To Don Smith
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Hi John!
Ok!. If you want I will try to explain my point of view about Smith's device. It isn't my own the result of researching. But it is the result of some Russian replicators.
First read the sheme (see the attachment).
The description is in russian unfortunately. The document is too big for translation.
So ask the questions. I'll try to answer.
Also see the links.

Best regards
Sergey.
Hi,

That document has been translated by a very helpful Russian gentleman and it is contained within the http://www.free-energy-info.com/Chapter3.pdf document, so there may be something helpful in the translated text.

Patrick
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Building blocks

Some might wonder how this all relates to what smith and others were doing with their systems. Think of the circuit I presented as a building block, one small portion of the whole. A way to learn, progress and discover.

Here is a diagram showing how this all comes together as a whole... Once you have a basic understanding of what to expect you can get creative and move forward in your own way.

I've presented this in the simplest possible way, starting with the basic building block, so someone could actually build a functioning circuit and somewhat understand what it's doing, what their looking for and how to get there.

And No, it's not the infamous 100kw, solve all, Cosmos sucking energy device that everyone claims to have but I believe you'll be quite happy with the results as long as you can successfully complete the basic circuit. It operates on a voltage low enough that the danger is low but high enough that you can see the effects of what it's doing. A foundation to expand on.

I've learned a great deal from some of the serious contributors on energetic over the years and this is simply my way of "giving back" a little something in hopes it will help someone even in a small way.

Have fun!

Diagram explanations: Top left: is the basic circuit I presented. Lower left: there is a second identical coil and primary to make up a single wire power transfer device. Top right: the two identical coils are stacked and driven by the same circuit forming the basics of a don smith device where the output is formed into an isolated buck converter. Lower right: is my own reduced version of the same using a 3 plate cap system and 2 separate resonant tank circuits.

Patrick Kelly, feel free to use these if you wish.

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based on my replies you can tell your dreamer that he was correct.
Keep the revelations coming...
Slovenia,
Thanks for that post.

And yes, we would like some more.

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I've presented this in the simplest possible way, starting with the basic building block, so someone could actually build a functioning circuit and somewhat understand what it's doing, what their looking for and how to get there.

And No, it's not the infamous 100kw, solve all, Cosmos sucking energy device that everyone claims to have but I believe you'll be quite happy with the results as long as you can successfully complete the basic circuit. It operates on a voltage low enough that the danger is low but high enough that you can see the effects of what it's doing. A foundation to expand on.

Diagram explanations: Top left: is the basic circuit I presented. Lower left: there is a second identical coil and primary to make up a single wire power transfer device. Top right: the two identical coils are stacked and driven by the same circuit forming the basics of a don smith device where the output is formed into an isolated buck converter. Lower right: is my own reduced version of the same using a 3 plate cap system and 2 separate resonant tank circuits.
@Dragon:

Thank you for sharing your ideas, it helps a lot to have a starting point or as you say "basic building blocks". Your experiments are very interesting, the results are surprising and reproducible (as Woopy demonstrates in his videos). This is rare.

Is this specific transistor oscillator (your basic circuit, which some call "exciter") important, because the big coil at the base of the transistor sends out unusual "waves"? Would a more conventional push pull circuit (e.g. as used in the CFLs) do the job as well? Probably not! I attach a very nice fly back transformer driver which I found in the net _-= Uzzors2k =-_ Project Site . It is probably difficult to make such a driver swing at 1 MHz, at least one needs an air coil with less impedance than a fly back transformer.

Some years ago I did some experiments with electrophoruses ( Electrophorus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ) and electrostatic machines (see for instance this excellent site Electrostatic Machines ) and always wondered where the charge comes from. Is the charge (building up in an electrostatic machine) sucked from the air? My feeling was, it stems indeed from the air, because the performance of the machines depended on the weather. You see a source for the charge in the ground. This is no contradiction, because the ground would give up charge into the air depending on weather conditions. I see a connection with electrostatic phenomena, because all electrostatic machines either "excite" the air or some material ( Triboelectric effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ) in order to accumulate charge. You try to do that with the ground.

Unfortunately I have to go away for some days and will be back next week with some new tests based on your very promising ideas.

Greetings, Conrad

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Thanks!!

Thanks Ged!!

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Thanks for that post.

And yes, we would like some more.

Ged
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Conrad, I used the kacher only because it is the simplest oscillator to put together which anyone can build quickly and easily. It isn't the best. The hartley may be a better choice but takes a bit of finesse to get it together and working at the frequency you want. The royer schematic you posted operates on saturation of the core - not a good choice for what we are trying to accomplish here with the exception of creating a large volumn of ionic disturbances which it would be great for. Another direction with similar results.

I've spent quite a bit of time studying electrostatics and your correct in presuming this is my direction of thought.

Good luck on your trip ! I to have some other projects that will be taking up a considerable amount of time but will try to check in daily...
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